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Suns Drop Kings 115-107

Heading in, you knew the Kings would be able to get some offensive rebounds against a poor defensive rebounding team like Phoenix, especially considering how excellent Jason Thompson and Jon Brockman have been on the offensive boards. Well, Thompson had a bad night on the glass and Brockman didn't play. So it was up to Kenny Thomas to work the Suns over and ... well, he succeeded.

Thomas had eight offensive rebounds in less than 28 minutes. Spencer Hawes added three, and Tyreke Evans and Omri Casspi each added two. Overall, the Kings did their job on that end, taking a brilliant 41 percent of offensive rebound opportunities.

The problem was the other end, where the Suns did nearly the same.

Phoenix had 17 offensive rebounds in 47 opportunities (36 percent), led by Amar'e Stoudemire, who grabbed nine. The Kings just couldn't get defensive boards in traffic. Thomas had 10 (for 18 rebounds total), but Thompson and Hawes had only five between them in 55 minutes. Each was frustrated -- J.T. because of foul trouble, Hawes because of his bunnies wouldn't go home -- but really, this frontcourt must rebound better on the defensive end for the Kings' strengths to show up in the won-loss ledger.

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Evans was brilliant, although his second half shot selection wasn't terribly strong. It followed in the box score: 12 points on six shot attempts in the first half, nine points on 12 shot attempts (10 FGAs, 4 FTAs) in the second. As we've seen in recent games, Phoenix adjusted its defense to keep Evans out of the paint. On one possession, Evans drove from the left wing; by the time he'd dribbled once, three Suns closed in on him. He still went to the rim and missed a fairly wild lay-up. It's as those moments you wish he'd look to pass immediately upon seeing the triple-team come.

That said, it's pretty damn difficult to quibble with 21 points on .563 True Shooting, six rebounds, seven assists, two steals and zero turnovers. Evans didn't lose this game, and in fact in the first half he kept the team in the dogfight.

Regarding Hawes in the paint: this performance (4-14, with most of those attempts coming from within five feet) was a blip, not the norm. On the season, Hawes is shooting 65 percent on shots at the rim, which is up from 62 percent last season and 57 percent as a rookie. Thompson, by comparison, iis at 57 percent, and was at 62 percent last year. Saturday's game hasn't been added in yet, so figure Hawes to droop a bit, and yes you would like to see another dunk or two so near the rim, but hey, Hawes is fine. Hell, Stoudemire is only 62 percent at the rim this season. Hawes is fine.

(As long as he improves his defensive rebounding.)

 

See Bright Side of the Sun's recap.

UPDATE: It's been a few hours since I watched the game, but I can't believe I forgot to mention the insane number of late whistles. Bad calls are infuriating. But the ref crew looked like they calling fouls based on whether shots went in or not (if they didn't, blow the whistle; if the shots fell, no call). If that's really what was going on, and the refs weren't just slow with the whistle for other reasons (of which I cannot imagine) ... then this was some unconscionable officiating. Calls were repeatedly made well after rebounds were secured. Constantly. All game long.

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Kenny Thomas signed to a 1 year veteran's minimum contract in the summer of 2010?

I wouldn’t be angry. I would not be angry.

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by tomroadrunner on Dec 6, 2009 7:52 AM PST reply actions  

Either that

or replace Hawes with a center who can rebound.

by KingsFan on Dec 6, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Those foul calls were horrendous

I remember two specifically. They were loose ball fouls called on JT and Donte. In the first one the ball was rolling and JT bends over to grab it, has his hand on the ball and one of the Suns players, either Hill or Richardson, comes sliding into him and JT gets called for the foul. Then later almost the same thing happens to Donte.

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by vfettke on Dec 6, 2009 8:02 AM PST reply actions  

They never make that call in the NBA - that was the problem

Its punishing hustle, which I’ve never seen happen.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah it was pathetic

both plays should’ve been jump balls

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by vfettke on Dec 6, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

The officiating was clearly favoring the Suns.

by KingsFan on Dec 6, 2009 8:14 AM PST reply actions  

I thought the game was one of those "te be expected" losses

After the first quarter, we played well, and had our fair share of play to be excited about.

I thought the officiating was bad, but not biased.

Tyreke continues down the road toward stardom, another night, another amazing stat line.

JT needs to get past the mental hurdles of foul trouble. He’s trying, you can see he’s making a huge effort not to let his emotions get away. I think he’s making progress, though there has been some backsliding the last week or two. His emotions took him out of the game a few times tonight though, which will hopefully go away.

Spencer shot terribly, but I thought played well. We need better team defensive rebounding. If Spencer is going to be the helper on penetration, then someone needs to put a body on Spencer’s guy.

Casspi seemed like he couldn’t quite catch up to the speed the Suns play at most of the night; he had a rookie night I thought, no big deal.

K9 once again impressed with his professional effort and attitude. He could so easily be a cancer and so obviously isn’t being one, that’s admirable.

Sergio made a lot of nice plays; I’m warming up to the guy.

Beno and Noc had some real nice moments, but some pretty abyssmal ones also for allegedly being the veteran “adult supervision”. When either of them attempt to take over, other than Beno freeing up for his mid-range jump shot, the results usually make you cringe, and they each had a few of those moments.

Good game for the good guys, it was decided in the last 6 minutes when Nash-Stoudamire ran pick and roll and we couldn’t stop them. On offense, we looked young and like a team without a battle-tested identity going down the stretch, which, of course, shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone.

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by ForThree on Dec 6, 2009 8:59 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

sensible response and assessment by ForThree (as usual) and b_b, rec'd to each

particularly about the officiating:

thought the officiating was bad, but not biased

and
Interesting too that are two rookies, Omri and Tyreke, seem least effected by the refs

The talented Suns, led by twice MVP Steve Nash, outplayed the Kings on the offensive end. No stops, 3 pointers and some lost opportunities on the offense boards. I am not an Amar’e fan per se, but the guy is one heck of an athlete. I thought he benefited most from the officiating on both the offensive and the defensive non-calls. So be it.
If the Kings are going to expect calls, and calls against a team like the Suns (Spurs, Cavs, LAL, Magic at the minimum) and on their home floor, well, they must be estranged from this professional sport. For the most part I don’t think the team does, they played through it well as painful it may be.

This team is such a mixture of parts – I see Paul Westphal at the sound stage fooling with the Equalizer board – raising and lowering the frequencies. Right now I see that Sergio and Beno are at near the same level, parallel plane. Beno has fallen just a bit as Rodriguez has risen. This Suns song had no need for hard percussion of the Brockman variety but was heavy on the similiar Kenny Thomas (think congos and no kettle drum). Part of the excitement this year is watching the mostly rise and some fall of the individual parts. Donté breaks out, Sergio shines, Kenny Thomas explodes and Tyreke Evans is consistently impressive (IMO we fans are getting a bit spoiled as we witness him improve – yes, I said witness).

mantra: compete even though they can’t yet contend

by betweentheeyes on Dec 6, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

great post

While I was disappointed in the loss, and it was a bad night for Spence, I have been noticing his help defense in the last week has been very good. He adjusted a lot of shots, and was a physical presence, our team defense isn’t polished enough to adjust and keep the opposing center of the offensive board.

by MichaelMack on Dec 6, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Yet despite bad officiating

We could have won the game. So this is encouraging. I give credit to PW for keeping his cool, too. I have seen guys like Scott Skiles, Mike D’Antoni, and Alvin Gentry just explode over bad calls. Like 2 year old childs who had their favorite toy taken from them. Coaches can’t expect players to keep cool and play through officiating if they are a total hot head themselves. Hopefully PW demeanor will rub off more on Hawes and JT. I think Hawes as cooled down a little from last year. Interesting too that are two rookies, Omri and Tyreke, seem least effected by the refs.

by bench_blob on Dec 6, 2009 9:07 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Tyreke, in his rookie season, is putting up Joe Johnson(right now) type numbers.

None of his stats necessarily stand way out, but he fills the stat line and plays 3 positions. For a rookie, essentially replicating Joe Johnson is pretty incredible. His ceiling is non-existent. That crap is bananas.

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by tomroadrunner on Dec 6, 2009 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

Great recap

I thought the officiating was terrible, worse for the Kings (expected as the visiting team), but I thought it was difficult for both teams to get into a flow. While it’s damning the King’s with faint praise, it did take a huge effort from Steve Nash, Amare, and excellent three point shooting for the Sun’s to topple them. It did remind me why I hate to play Nash, and he would literally make me nervous back in the day’s of being on Dallas and playing the King’s in the playoffs. He is so eff’’n clutch, literally raises his game when he needs too. I had no doubt everyone of his step-back jumpers in the last six minutes were going in. This has been several games in a row now where to me, it looked like they missed K-Mart. When we had a few minutes of offensive ineptitude, and couldn’t get a good shot off, it would have been nice to have his offensive brilliance take the load off of the younger players.

by MichaelMack on Dec 6, 2009 11:35 AM PST reply actions  

A very good game.

Lets start by reminding everyone that we lost in PHX last year by 48 and 28 points, against a team that wasn’t playing as well as this year’s version.
This game was not on my list of games we might win this month.

Let me re-start by (Woof! Woof Woof!) giving credit where credit is due. K-9 had an amazing throw back game, one to remind us why he was traded for so long ago. His trade value went Waaaaay up last night. 18 rebounds is something folks notice.
Tyreke was excellent, more than that actually. On at least one occasion rather than going into the crowd right at the rim, he pulled up for a little 6-8 footer. Those kinds of shots will eventually really open up the floor both for himself and the team. Growth.

Casspi didn’t put up a lot, it didn’t go as well as he/we might have hoped but his continued demonstartion that he will eventually be able to score not just from the perimeter but also posting up and in a variety of creative ways off the dribble . . . .
he has a great chance to a really complete player on both ends.

The team as a whole just hung in there, and hung in there -
and eventually were put away when shots just fell at the right time for Phx. Steve Nash is not just an All-Star, he’s a Hall of Famer. They’re just waiting for him to retire and tell them how long he wants the hair on his bust. he played like that last night, put his team on his back and brought them a much needed home win.

Donte’ has I think played himself out of the starting line-up. Its not suprising, I haven’t put him back in the doghouse, I just think starting is too much for him right now. Lets get him a little hungry to get in the game again rather than being nervous about the starting role.

We needed to hit our 3s, stop thiers and win the defensive rebound battele. We did OK on the first and badly on the second and not as well as we should have on the third. And you saw it, we just couldn’t quite get to all the loose balls.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 12:21 PM PST reply actions  

I thought the number of

Home Court calls was out of line just enough (at least 5-6 extra?), to insure Phx won.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Donte played himself out of the starting lineup

Because I don’t think he was put into a position where he could succeed. I know the thinking was to put a bigger player than Beno at the 2, so teams couldn’t switch their SG onto Tyreke. And, since the Kings were switching on every pick & roll, there shouldn’t have been an advantage for PHX since Donte is tall enough to stay with the screener. But, Donte covering Nash? How in the world is that an advantage in favor of the Kings?

The whole plan broke down when Donte had to cover Nash, or when Spencer or JT had to cover Nash when there was a switch on the pick & rolls. JT & Spencer had to play off Nash to prevent penetration, and Nash took one wide open shot after another.

I appreciate that we were in the game until the end. A acknowledge that their would have been disadvantages even playing Beno at Point & Tyreke at the 2. And, other than Casspi, there wasn’t anybody better than Donte to play the 2. I’m not complaining about PW’s choice of playing Donte. In my pregame comment, I had Donte starting also. And, I also agree that Donte isn’t ready to start at any other position. I just believe, that asking a SF/PF who is trying to change his entire game in his sophmore season, to play the 2, is unfair. And, I’m not going to hold his performance against him.

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by HighTops on Dec 6, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

You still think he should start - or not?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Internet went down so I'm late responding

The games over, so you’ll have to take my word that this isn’t in hindsight.

My thinking when I wrote the above was that Donte needed to backup at PF against Miami. I didn’t think that JT could defend Beasley. JT & Spencer are bigger than Miami’s bigs with O’Neal out, but there too slow and can’t jump with Miami.

My starting lineup; Spencer, JT, Noc, Tyreke, & Beno. If JT couldn’t stop Beasley, I’d bring in Donte. And, if Tyreke got into foul trouble covering Wade, then I’d bring in Sergio for Noc, and let Sergio guard Wade.

I think it’s time we accept the fact that with Martin & Cisco out, Tyreke is our best SG. And, even when we get the oppositiions PG to guard Tyreke, we’re not fully taking advantage of the mismatch. Help comes too quickly when Tyreke tries to post up & Tyreke can beat their SG as easily as their PG. I know the FO is selling Tyreke as our PG of the future, but for right now we need him to play the 2. And, we need Donte’s athletic ability on the front line.

An after thought on the game. Spencer got 14 FGA when he had to worry about Amare & Frye. Yet, when we play Miami who’s playing a 6’9" 245lb center, Spencer gets 4 shots. Is there anyone besides Spencer that knows how to make an entry pass in to the post?

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by HighTops on Dec 6, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Donte's PT is going to slide a bit from here

He’s really forcing it too much. We have at least right better options to put on the floor that are more dependable. The only guy he is clearly outplaying right now, game in and game out, is Sean May.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 6, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

funny

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

right = eight

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 6, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I know this is toting the NBA management view

But there’s a difference between complaining about the referee’s and expecting them to be perfect every game. I notice this a lot with fanbases everywehre: Why is it the officiating is so noticeable last night as opposed to the Indiana game?

I understand the criticism that the ref’s did a poor job in calling fouls when they should have been called. I was frustrated by that, too. On the other hand, Ref’s have off games. It happens. I’m not saying people can’t note the instances where ther ref’s aren’t doing their jbo’s. That’s perfectly fair.

But why is it we only note the negative side of the ref’s as opposed to the positive games where the ref’s do a good job? There are plenty of games where the refereeing is done well, and all that. Why don’t we notice that?

My theory is that we expect the referee’s to get the call right every time, and that expectation always falls short of the reality. It’s human to expect perfection I suppose; it’s also human to fail too. Last I checked I don’t think anybody here expects the players to be 100% perfect, or the coaches and what not.

Oh well. Rant over.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 6, 2009 1:27 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think anybody actually blamed the results on the refs

and even on the Suns blog several thought most of the extra calls went thier way.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't doubt BSoS throught the refs stunk

But, that wasn’t my point.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 6, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm

I don’t think anyone expects perfection. But I did notice what TZ is talking about – there were some very late calls made. I can’t even say those calls are incorrect, but it is frustrating as a fan to think your team has played solid defense, is heading up court and the whistle comes a second or two late.

It’s more of a frustration thing with viewing a decent product. I already know the refereeing is shit in the NBA, I just prefer that they are shitty on a more timely basis.

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by otis29 on Dec 6, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought the key call

was when Amare ran over Beno with the score in the 90s. I think it was a charge. Instead they gave him the basket and one, and they went on a run from there.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 6, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

That and

That ridiculous call on K-9 when Amare was double teamed. They never reward someone for letting themselves get doubled teamed outside the paint.

I’m also not convinced Nash even had possesion when they let him call a time-out while being doubled. Noce had a nice long dicussion with the officials about it. Don’t you also have to actually signal?

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Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I noticed that as well lttg - I thought Noce was complaining that the let Nash

call timeout after the ball was knocked away – he didn’t even have possession. Either way, the home team got the advantage.

Do I expect the refs to be perfect. No. I (used to) expect them to make the calls as fairly and unbiased as possible, equal to both sides. After being an NBA fan since age 12, I know better.

As I mentioned before, I thought the Kings team handled this much better than we fans do. JT in general, not so much last night, has come to expect fair officiating. Ah, the nïaveté of the young.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 6, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Tyreke's worst defensive game?

His inability to defend the pick and roll was exposed, and Nash had way too much game for him to contend with in crunch time.

The Kings and Tyreke needed to get the ball out of Nash’s hands and deny him the jumper. Their best efforts came when they doubled him towards the end of the game. They need to do more of that when they host the Suns in February.

I also thought Westphal again failed to ride the hot hand. In this case it was Kenny Thomas and Sergio. Dance with the one who brung you. Go to the well until they stop you. Instead he went back to JT and Beno, and we failed to close out the game.

Three guys beat us, and we really had no answers for any of three. But Sergio did a pretty good job on Nash, and Kenny handled Stoudemire pretty well. Frye? Well, stop the three and make him drive. Easier said than done to stop all three options.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 6, 2009 2:35 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, he got beat by Nash. Who is a future hall of famer in all likelihood.

Nash has made good defenders look sub-par for over a decade, so I feel it’s just a good lesson learned for Tyreke. He usually ended up not guarding Nash on the pick and roll, because of the fact that Nash is one of the greatest ever at running it, and so Westphal had everyone making the quick switches. The game would have likely been a blowout if they had tried to stick to their original marks, because the Phoenix offense is completely built around people doing just that.

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by tomroadrunner on Dec 6, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

The pick and roll has been working in this league forever, and for good reason

When you have a guy like Nash running it, it’s a really hard play to defend. However, I agree with your second paragraph – it would probably take an enormous amount of energy, but denying Nash the ball as much as possible is probably a better idea than letting him run the offense and picking you apart.

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by otis29 on Dec 6, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Nash

Had subpar years for the past two years due to injuries, his own and to Amare. Plus the Shaq thing never worked out and they missed Marion. But Nash and the Suns are back firing on all cyclinders once again.

Your points are valid, but Tyreke and the Kings have to get better at defending the pick and roll. The big has to be more aggressive at denying a guy like Nash the right side and doubling the ball with Tyreke. That’s what other teams do to us to stop us.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 6, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Denying Nash (or any primary ball handler)

is easier said than done – though I get the points. Its not like he’s a post player or spot up shooter.

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- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

But when we do that

when we double the dribbler, the other 3 guys have to rotate. The other 3 guys were horrendous against Phx, they didn’t even take away the obvious play (the pass to the screener) most times.

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