Omri and Donté
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 6, 2009 4:18 PM PST
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PrintLet me preference this by saying, I like both players and think both should be getting PT. Also, this isn't a post directed at any one or two people, but a response to what I see as a prevailing trend.
That said, I'm baffled by some people's responses to these two players. One player can do no wrong and is a future star and the other is questioned as to his place in the league. I find it very strange, considering:
- They are basically the same age(Donté is 4 months older: 2-21-88 to 6-22-88).
- They have similar experience. Donté has one year of NBA and one year of NCAA experience and Omri has been playing professionally overseas since he was 17(Joined Maccabi Tel Aviv during the 05-06 season).
- Both play defense
- They have similar stats: (Comparison after the jump).
Stats Comparison: Omri has played 23.9 minutes per game and Donté 16.5 thru 18 games so I will use per 36 minute stats for comparison purposes(From Basketball Reference):
- Omri(per36): 15.3 points, 5.7 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.5 blocks, 2.1 turnovers 50.8% shooting, 45.9% 3pt, 52.1% FT, 14.4 PER.
- Donté(per36): 17.9 points, 3.8 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1.6 steals, 1.5 blocks, 2.9 turnovers 51.7% shooting, 44.4% 3pt, 57.7% FT, 16.0 PER.
That's pretty similar, Donté is scoring a bit better, Omri is rebounding a bit better, Donté has more blocks, steals, a slightly better PER and more turnovers. Shooting is nearly identical.
I think we should be very happy with the progress of both players. They both have shown that they have good futures. I think it's fine to be excited about Omri(I'm excited about Omri), but I think it's unfair to be excited about Omri and tighten the leash on Donté at the same time. Both are doing just fine, and it's time to cut one of them some slack and not get pissed every time he makes on ill-advised shot, or an out of control drive. Both of these young players are guilty of these transgressions, it's part of the learning process.
I'm excited about both of these talented young players, I hope you can be too.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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What's the point
Of this post.
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Maybe you should read it
His point is Omri and Donte are comparable statistically, age, and experience, and yet his perception is that both players are not evaluated by fans with those factors in mind.
Personally, I think Omri will be the better pro. His adjustment to the NBA game has been much smoother. He shows superior decision-making and maturity. Donte has had a few productive outings, and then contributed little to nothing. Omri has been much more consistent. There was a real good analysis of Omri’s game over at Cowbell Kingdom from some east coast blogger after the Pacer game, not a regular Kings follower. I tend to like these outside points of view for their fresh perspective. Here is the excerpt and link:
http://www.cowbellkingdom.com/
Omri Casspi, on the other hand, is the mathematical inverse of Nocioni. This dude is just a Santa sack full of never-ending awesome. He didn’t fill up the stat sheet last night during his 24 minutes on the floor, but he just plays the game exactly how I think it should be played.
His second-quarter stretch in particular was a joy to watch. In 9 mins, he hit a three, got another bucket, grabbed 2 boards and handed out 3 assists. But, really, he did much more. He consistently made the right pass and — as the assist stat generally does — his dime numbers don’t properly illustrate how well he helped make the offense work. He just always makes the right pass. And even when it was just a simple swing pass that anyone in this league aside from Corey Brewer could easily make, it forced the Pacers defense to rotate and react (which is a good thing to force this Indy roster to prove it can do). He’s the type of guy who facilitates the motion then makes the pass that leads to the pass that leads to the open shot.
Little things like this Omri does intutiviely. Donte, not so much. Yet.
Oh, I read it...
But I was neither enlightened nor challenged to think differently. He’s excited about both players. Great. He just put into words what we see on the floor. Great. I’m not confused. Great.
Pointless post and there is no basis to Rec anything, including 214’s 3 recs below. I’m glad you’re a witty individual. It’s a good trait to have.
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Can we just ban this idiot already
He’s a waste of the internet space
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by edm7 on Dec 7, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It is now 4 recs
I can only imagine that you never feel the enlightenment and challenge represented by the mental gymnastics some call ‘thinking’. I can tell that you find this irrelevant activity quite overrated and have no doubt in your firm commitment to avoid this pointless endeavor. An excellent way for you to stay focused and not be confused.
Hahaha
Mental gymnastics.. really? Ah man, everyone on this board.. so easy to stir up a little fire inside you all. But seriously, mental gymnastics. THAT is what you came up with. All the time you probably spent trying to come up with an intelligent response or witty remark.. and it was Mental gymnastics? Hahaha.. you guys can keep me entertained for hours.
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Again, no thought noted
It seems that all you can do is repeat what somebody says and go “Hahaha..” or trash them. How about some witty comeback or repartee. How about any kind of original thought. Your post reply just repeats the same little, sad rant and goes nowhere.
But, for what it is worth I will offer up some words of advice. Don’t just belittle and talk down what others post. If you have some kind of case that contradicts what is posted then say what you think and support it with something that resembles thinking. Don’t just trash others’ posts cause I am here to tell you that you sound like somebody in need of some a few more brain cells and there is just SO much room to trash you when you do that, but we should .
Your response to me is just more of the same. At first I didn’t really think others were being fair to you. However, you have validated what others post about you. You really are a knucklehead, troll, and I am sure there are other names that apply.
If I was running this place I would probably ban you for such asinine posts. You are perhaps not sufficiently gifted with the acumen needed to realize that being on this site is a privilege, not a right. You can get banned from here so why don’t you do yourself and all of us a favor and straighten it up and contribute positively.
Man, you probably have no idea how much I I toned this post down (I went for that hammer Ed, but talked myself down). Take it for what it is worth. I have gone out of my way to not flame you and have decided not to toss gasoline because even dim light bulbs might produce enough spark to set themselves on fire.
Just stick with your idea of trading Kevin Martin
this post might be a little complicated for you.
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not know how to use a question mark?
Good work KFan.
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by Scott Coleman on Dec 6, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
The point of this post was to confuse you.
I’m rec’ing kfan for attaining his goal.
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by section214 on Dec 6, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Nice work KFan
I agree completely. The knock against Donte has been that he gets the ball and jacks up a bad three no matter where he’s at. But that was last year Donte. This year he’s learning. Yeah he still makes mistakes but he’s so much better. He’s jacked up plenty of threes, but he does that at the right time. He’s playing defense, getting steals and blocks, and playing like the uber-athletic forward he is on offense be driving the lane and throwing down some nice jumps. Dude has improved big time but he and Omri are both still young and are going to make mistakes, but it’ll be fun to watch them make those mistakes. It’s kind of like Cisco all over again. They’ll go to fast and hustle too hard and make some boneheaded error because they don’t know any better.
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I'm not interested in a fight
But Casspi has been much much steadier. Fewer highs – but fewer lows and he shows (so far) a more complete all around game.
That said, Donte’ s play, even with the last few games, has been very encouraging.
An Eagles song also comes to mind.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
This song?
Raven hair and ruby lips
Sparks fly from her finger tips
Echoed voices in the night
Shes a restless spirit on an endless flight
Wooo hooo witchy woman, see how
High she flies
Woo hoo witchy woman she got
The moon in her eye
She held me spellbound in the night
Dancing shadows and firelight
Crazy laughter in another
Room and she drove herself to madness
With a silver spoon
Woo hoo witchy woman see how high she flies
Woo hoo witchy woman she got the moon in her eye
Well I know you want a lover,
Let me tell your brother, shes been sleeping
In the devils bed.
And theres some rumors going round
Someones underground
She can rock you in the nighttime
;til your skin turns red
Woo hoo witchy woman
See how high she flies
Woo hoo witchy woman
She got the moon in her eye
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
No, kwill had it
Its a natural reaction after last year.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yes yes I know
I was making a DIFFERENT joke.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I thought maybe you were thinking about
Take It Easy.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 9, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
I gave up on it
Thats the only other one I thought would apply as well
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
I tried to be clear this wasn't about you.
It’s something I noticed site wide, myself included and wanted to look at. It’s not a one or the other question. Or a question of who’s better or who’s more consistent.
The only reason for the comparison was to get people to maybe rethink their quickness to react with a “Donté’s forcing it again, time to yank him.” (my reaction) vs. an Omri wild shot reaction of “bad shot by Omri, he’ll learn.” (the correct reaction for both players, at this time in their careers, imo)
That’s all this was.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 6, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Its fine
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
First thanks for the post
I too have attempted to better understand the double standard applied to these two players and seeing their per 36 stats side by side has made it easier to isolate the reasons for my own double standard. As I can only speak for myself I will say that I fall prey to judging either player by the perceived reasons for their mistakes and I end up judging each player differently based on which kind of mistake is more or less acceptable to me.
For Donté I will use the Indiana game as an example (if my memory is serving me well here): at one point early on, Donté drove into traffic then tried to make a flashy pass out that ended up in the stands. My first reaction was, “Donté stop fucking around” because Donté makes a point of talking about how he wants to make the game fun and entertain the crowd which to me translates into “Donté likes positive attention, i.e. he likes to hear the crowd cheer for him when he does something athletically impressive.” I consider this a selfish reason for trying to play well and thus have less patience for the mistakes that result.
Omri occasionally makes similar mistakes; he drives into traffic and tries an off balance body screwing pass out that gets intercepted. But when he does it I think, “That was a dumb play; but Omri just wants to win really bad. He is probably trying too hard. He needs to learn to play better within the team system,” since Omri has said over and over again that he just really wants to help his team win, whatever it takes, which is a seemingly unselfish reason for his actions. Even though, when i think about it, his statement coupled with his play at times imply that Omri thinks his offense is his teams best chance at winning which is really an arrogance that defies the truth of most game situations.
So each player has obstacles through which they are fighting to become the optimal player each can be. I think Donte is fighting through obstacles that appear more frustrating to me as a fan because Donté continues to confuse his progress as a player with a reluctant giving up of himself, i.e. he has said in so many words that playing the way Westphal wants him to play is an obligation he must fulfill to get the reward of playing time. When, in fact, PW is helping him become a more mature, selfless player and when Donté starts to more openly accept that PW’s demands are helping him reach his potential, his mistakes are going to be a lot easier to stomach.
Some reasons I can think of
-Position: Everyone can agree that Omri is a 2-3, while it is still debated where Donte is a 2-4.
-Personality: Donte jokes around and Omri has a mean face. I realize it sounds silly but people always cheer for an individual that looks like they are trying harder. I will probably take a killing for this point though.
- Standards: When Donte came in people were prediciting a 35 win team and ended up with 17. Omri is coming onto a team where people just ask for improvement and development.
spot on
I think a great deal of the different perceptions these to players have is in their outward attitude and production. At least what we, as fans, see. Perception is reality.
The fact is, whether Donte would have benefitted from another year at Syracuse (or shit, 2 years in the Israeli league) or not, he came in under certain expectations and was underwhelming last year. Part of that was unfair, but another part of that was his own maturity. A big deal has been made that Westphal has gotten to Donte by getting him to realize that talent alone isn’t enough to thrive or stay in the NBA….this is a point I think Omri already realized well before draft night. In fact, his journey leading up to becoming the first Israeli player in the league probably had a lot to do with that. You couple this with the fact that Omri has had more immediate success (vs Donte last year) AND lower expectations (again, vs Donte last year) and in becomes pretty obvious why there’s a double standard of sorts
by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on Dec 10, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Yep, those are big reasons why
It may be time to readjust our the way we evaluate Donté a bit. No real reason that he should be held to a higher standard than Omri at this point.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 10, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
That was then and this is now
Donte’ was (past tense) a player who had not showed he had a place in this league. Completely raw, but amazing, athleticism is just not enough. He came in and did not seem to have a high BB IQ and just, as vfettke and other have said, jacked up way to many shots that were off-balance bricks.
Donte’ came into this league and stunk. Casspi on the other hand came in and immediately proved he has a place in this league. He came in and made an immediate impact on the team and games. With this difference it is not so hard to understand why people were not thrilled with Donte’
Now that said, Donte’ did not have the professional experience that Casspi had and was just completely not coached last year. His faults, inexperience really, were so exacerbated by coaches that were so bad they all got fired.
You don’t hear too much negativity lately because Donte’ is coming out and proving he belongs. He is making a difference, playing exponentially better, and is now earning the fan’s respect. He had not previously done that.
by MustangMBS on Dec 6, 2009 5:55 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
MMBS is the new A.I.
The answer. rec’d
by betweentheeyes on Dec 6, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks!
Love Donte’s game now. He has my respect. He is playing his ass off and he can match Casspi for intensity, which is saying a lot.
don't go full A.I.
keep that ego in check.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 6, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
:)
Ego stays in check here. The fall is just too painful when it gets too big. Really not worth all the trouble.
Like Tropic Thunder Points Out...
NEVER GO FULL RETARD!
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by sac-townz finest on Dec 7, 2009 2:08 AM PST up reply actions
Well said Kfan and agreed
I do however disagree with lttg that Omri has been more steady.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
look at the stats
it pretty clear
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
Their shooting stats are very similar
The only area of real difference I think is rebounding. If that’s what makes Omri the clear better player, than so be it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Selective sampling here?
So are we ignoring Dante’s stats from last year. I take it we all would just rather forget last year, I know I do, but can you just ignore a whole year of play that somebody did in evaluating them.
You are comparing a second year to a rookie. Or should we treat them both as rookies and ignore Donte’s career stats? That is kind of cooking the numbers, but I think there is a case that last year may be more due to lack of/bad coaching…
I'm not ignoring last year
But, just because Omri is performing now as a quality rotation player doesn’t mean he’ll be better than that (other than the obvious improvements) 3 years from now. Donte has upside that can make this team better as he figures out how to integrate his talents within the group schematic.
But, really I’m not ignoring last year. But comparing these season’s seems fair to me. This is Donte’s first year under this coaching staff, and that’s true of Omri. I have no doubt that Omri would have struggled last season too under that coaching staff.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I am not saying that is bad
Last year was awful and I would like to scrub it from my memory…
And I think that it is fair to judge players for where they are at now. Obviously, Dante’ has to win over hearts and minds because of last year, but I agree that he is showing a lot of upside…
I just would not say at this point that Omri does not have the same level of upside… He hasn’t hit his limit yet. He is a quality rotation player now, but is a rookie and that doesn’t mean he won’t be better than that. He is clearly driven and if he works hard can clearly achieve a lot. After all, look at K@be’s numbers from his rookie year and where he is at now. Omri’s are even better.
I think that you are ignoring last year’s numbers, but that isn’t bad and I can agree with it. It was clearly a wacked situation and I don’t think that anybody should be held too much accountable for it. Look at Beno and how he is playing now. Given his play now I can forgive last year, just as I can Donte’.
I think you are right that just about anybody would have struggled last year, except maybe KMart, but then he probably would have had even better numbers… Now that is something to think about.
To Add
Last year we needed a real coach and didn’t have one. I would say that most of the problems we had were because of that lack. Dante’, Beno, and all the players were stuck in a bad situation and should not be held accountable for that.
I would say who should be held accountable, but I would be breaking a commandment. Clearly staffing decisions for coaching were horrendously bungled. That wasn’t the player’s fault.
I'm not ignoring those numbers
I just can’t fathom why they matter. We knew he didn’t play well last season. So why does those numbers factor in to why Omri Casspi is better than Donte Greene this season? I don’t get it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I was speaking of game by game
steadier, more consistant at this point and just as exciting
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
Omri is steadier
But I wasn’t ever arguing that point.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
It's simple at this point lttg
I agree whole heartedly with what Kfan said. People cut Omri slack for mistakes and they are less tolerant of Donte’s mistakes. I don’t understand why that is. It seems unfair and rooted in a vested interest based on the perception of the quality of each players.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I think it is
The Steadier part.
Even in not-so-good games Casspi has usually had a number of positives, Donte’ often doesn’t, when his games are bad – they’re baaad. Not always but…
Plus, Donte’ just got overhyped last year for not any good reason and there was a bit of fall from grace and/or some expect a little more because its his 2nd year.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
Not to be all nit-picky or anything, but...
I do however disagree with lttg that Omri has been more steady.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That’s what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on…..
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.—Kfan in Korea
by pookeyguru on Dec 6, 2009 6:57 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yes you were.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 12, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Nuh uh
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Childishness
It’s for us!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Heh. Maybe.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Nice post Kfan
but do you really think that é is still not getting the respect he deserves? My impression is that Donté has turned most of those who questioned his bball skill (raises hand) into believers or at the very least into fans who are willing to take another look. Anyway, my perception is pretty similar to lttg’s, I trust Omri a little more but I no longer groan when é takes the court, in fact when he does I’m expecting good things to happen. Nice post, thanks.
"I make love to pressure" - Stephen Jackson
I think it's better, but still biased.
I understand why, as others mentioned above Donté has last year’s perceptions to overcome. Casspi is the new kid in town.
So, this post was just meant to give some perspective. I do think people are still too quick to jump on Donté’s mistakes. I’d just like to see a little of the understanding that Omri rightfully gets be applied to Donté as well.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 6, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Agree 100% with your post Kfan
Thanks for the numbers as well
Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...
by edm7 on Dec 6, 2009 9:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Solid post Kfan
Your analysis proves both Omripotent and Dontake (that shot) have great potential and are performing at a similar clip, it was an eye opener to me.
I agree that judge and jury should recess until at least a full season with 20 minutes per game under the belt with one caveat.
I do offer that the prejudice may also exist because we traded Artest and Donte is the tangible asset we have from that trade and was a lottery pick versus Omri who most had as a second rounder.
Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.
Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"
by SactownheartOChouse on Dec 6, 2009 10:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I thought Donté was a 28 pick
vs. Omri at 23 – and both were a result of the Artest trade.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
S214 is correct of course
Both came from the Artest trade, #23 and #28 plus Bjax
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
Good Catch S214, Well my memory sucks and I should probably not respond while watching Ninja Assasin. Good fight scenes, but corny plot line.
I was trying to make the point that Draft Express and RCSIHoops had Donte as a possible lottery pick coming off a stellar freshman year at Syracuse putting up Carmelo numbers but he dropped during the draft. Omri in my ignorant opinion was a little bit of a surprise coming off the board so early and although I like the outside shot I bet we could have picked him up with one of our two early second round picks.
Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things.
Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt — When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults"
by SactownheartOChouse on Dec 7, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'll take that bet
I bet we could have picked him up with one of our two early second round picks.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 7, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I like both players for different reasons...
…but Omri s FAR more consistent than Greene, but Greene DOES have the bigger upside if he gets consistent with his high performances.
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- Kevin Love would like the NBA to take the MLB’s approach on All-Star games
- Kobe Bryant fires a few hilarious salvos at Jeremy Lin
- Brandon Jennings states the obvious regarding his 2014 free agency, everyone goes nuts
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