This Weeks Asinine Trade Thread: Dec. 7th
by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 4:00 PM PST
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This is the place for your well thought out trade idea.
This is also the place for all your pipe dreams, or for some wacky ill-advised nonsense just because the numbers match up in that Trade Machine Thingy. But beware anyway -
Surgeon General Warning: Only abstinance provides full protection.
Trade for players you love, trade away players you hate. Just trade to make the team better without regard to emotion - or make it all about emotion.
HINT: Think big man, young and developing, big time Stud - or short term enough so that you won't be crushed by "that kills our future flexibility!" comments.
But actually, do whatever you want, thats what this is here for. You never know, you may gain wide acclaim and Fame for your brilliant move!
Your choice - let 'er rip!
ESPN trade machine link is below
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
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Kenny Thomas & Kevin Martin for LeBron James
Get it done Geoff Petrie!!!!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Bosh/Martin swap
Ofcourse id want to wait to see how tyreke and kmart play but if for whatever reason it doesnt work, I think this could be a possible trade.
Toronto Gets:
Kevin Martin
Spencer Hawes
Andres Nocioni
Sacramento Gets:
Chris Bosh
Marcus Banks
I think for any trade that involves Bosh, you gotta throw in a young big. Hawes Allows Bargnani to go back to PF, even though Hawes isn’t good enough of a rebounder to make up for Bosh’s loss, Nocioni is decent and he brings toughness to a pretty soft team. Banks is an ugly contract but its not terrible. Its 2 yrs left, 1 after this one.
This is the kind of trade i can see Toronto doing as we get closer to the deadline, might have to throw in a protected draft pick or something to sweeten it up a little.
Punjabi by Nature
wait, so let me get this right
We give up Kevin Martin, one of the most efficient scorers in the league, on a very reasonably contract, Spencer Hawes, an NBA average center at age 21 on his first contract, and Nocioni
for
Marcus Banks’ bad contract
and
the right to cry when Bosh leaves for Miami this summer?
Except maybe we have to give up a protected draft pick too?
Where do I sign up?
Professional Hyperbole Slayer
Oh I forgot
Obviously we don’t do this trade unless an extensions worked out. Sorry I figured that was implied .
Punjabi by Nature
If you presume Bosh gets a 6yr max deal
I can see where you’re going, but its too much to give up for my taste.
Professional Hyperbole Slayer
yeah
but the problem is several teams will be after bosh. Id guess you would have to give up quite a bit to bring him in. Toronto hasnt had a TRUE SG in while and could really used Kmart.
Punjabi by Nature
The problem is Bosh can't get an extension for more than 5 years
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
About Bosh
I know this is probably not any revelation, but Chris Bosh is AWESOME.
I saw him last two games. He is ferocious around the hoop. He can shoot the 15 footer. He can get O boards. He is everything JT wishes he could be. Think of a lefty CWebb in his prime, and that is Chris Bosh. Chris Bosh took his game to a new level this year of 26 and 12, and he makes it look easy. His teammates are kind of disinterested, but the Raptors are playing better of late.
Now how do we get him?
(1) Dream on. (2) Well, for Robby1987, no contract extensions can be granted now. (unless I am missing something), so if a trade is to be made with a new contract signed, that will have to wait until the off-season.
If I had to guess, I think Bosh will end up in Miami or Chicago. No way he re-ups with Raptors. Now, if he wants to get MAX dollars, then he would have to sign with the Raptors and agree to trade simultaneously (please correct me if I am wrong. I am not a CBA expert, nor do I care to be.) That’s where Geoff Petrie steps in with a deal like suggested above.
If we can outbid the Bulls, Heat, et. all, with a player package, then maybe we have an outside chance of 20 to 30%. If I am the Raptors, a package of K-Mart and late lottery pick (#8 to #12), if it turns out as such, would be fairly attractive, and beats the alternative of an empty locker.
He has no options if he is traded play or get no salary.
Even if he wants to one and done he would probably rather do it here with decent teammates.
you must have missed the memo
Bosh is going to be a free agent this summer.
Professional Hyperbole Slayer
sign and trade possible
(unlikely – as I’m certain he wants the summer to happen)
but possible
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Bosh comes in a sign and trade for Kevin Martin in the offseason
I’ve already sold my soul to make this happen, so you’re welcome.
It all comes down to the FO convincing Bosh to come here via free agency. As it stands right now we’re better than the Raptors with two of our best guys out. All Bosh needs to do is decide that he wants to play for an exciting young team that is already winning more games without him than his current team. Sure, there are other teams he can go to, but he’ll fit perfectly here because we need a star big man. Our other positions are covered, but our front court is weak. Bosh fixes that.
One thing to consider is that Chris Bosh has so much of the power. If he decides he wants to come here the Raps have almost no choice but to do a sign and trade so that they save face and get something back for him. I’d love to be able to send them Beno and Nocioni, but it’ll probably be Kevin, which I’m okay with.
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Very true
And if I am Bosh I am more concerned with finding a quality organization, teammates and coaching staff. The Kings have that. Unfortunately, so does Miami.
I have to believe Bosh wants to be find a place he can flourish, maximize his abilities, and win a championship. If Bosh’s agent is tapped into the pulse of the Kings, he knows good things are happening here, and we are a legitimate alternative if other possibilities don’t work out.
The other downside to overcome is our dilapidated arena and poor attendance. But Bosh could certainly remedy the latter.
One thing on all of this Bosh talk -
If he were traded here, the Kings would be able to offer him $20+ million more than any other suitors, under the same provision that enabled them to retain C-Webb. Bosh is young, the KIngs are turning it around, and money talks.
This does not speak to the viability of the trade, just the fact that if he was traded here, he would have plenty of incentive to stay.
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the power of attraction
money first and foremost.
Winning has got to be a strong consideration when talking about the difference between a $68M deal and an $84M deal. (I know I am dense, but truly, how much money can you actually spend? Respect, happiness have to count for something, don’t they?)
If these Kings continue to show they have a winning atmosphere and a directed path to the Finals, doesn’t that make Sacramento’s smile sexier?
by betweentheeyes on Dec 6, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
You clearly have never been offered a 6 year 100 million contract before
Plus the opportunity to have everyone in your world tell you how completely perfect 100% of the time you are.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Agreed
And here’s the thing – I don’t ever recall an NBA player in his prime taking less money to play in a bigger city or for a team with a better chance of winning. I see it all the time with the just-past-their-prime-looking-for-a-ring guys, but never with the prime-timers.
If you pay them (more than the other guy can), they will come.
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No player has taken less money.
Grant Hill and Tracey McGrady threatened to sign with ORlando outright and both ended up as sign-and-trades. The next time someone takes less money it will be the first time.
what an awful condemnation
ouch! the truth hurts.I have been around a while, and this just shocks and stymies me. I am so many times, old enough to know better, but still easily disillusioned.
Oh well. enough about me.
I guess the answer to the question – how much more can you spend? is irrelevent. Why do so many condemn Carlos Boozer? He wears his mercenary badge more openly?
by betweentheeyes on Dec 6, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
I don't like Boozer's injury history
More than that, paying for him what he does seems reasonable, but not that much. Either way, at this point, I’d rather the Kings take their chances through the draft to improve up front.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
oh, wholeheartedly agree. I went through the trade machine
and of the young available C’s – not much there worth wanting. The Kings have no reason to give up much at this point in their rebuilding.
I was referring more to the: how much can a person spend? What other crap can you buy that you can’t buy with the other tens of millions of dollars you get? In that vein; why do so many people condemn Carlos Boozer for taking more money when you just pointed out, that is what ALL of the players do anyway? Don’t really want him as a King, though he is a wonderful big, also because of his injury history. He is playing for a big paycheck and once he has it his injureis cost more and will be less important to him (will the NBA ever get away from the guaranteed contract?)
by betweentheeyes on Dec 6, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Boozer gets flak for reneging on a deal with the Cavs
He supposedly agreed to a long term deal with them if they let him out of the last year of his contract. Utah offered way more money that the Cavs couldn’t match for some reason and he jumped ship. Boozer denies reaching an agreement with the Cavs but it seems unlikely that the Cavs would just let him out of the last year of his contract for less than $1 mil to sign him to bigger money if they hadn’t agreed to a deal.
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the under the table hand shake
it was “we promise to give you a good deal, hope you don’t get injured” vs. “here is a big fat paycheck, please come and play with us we want you now”
and of course, the under the table hand shake is against League policy – so Cleveland can’t really admit it – even though they did because it backfired on them.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 6, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Cleveland was stupid for it
but it left a bad taste in a lot of people’s mouths. Which is where the dislike of Boozer comes from
www.mancancook.net
HIs personality is not very likeable
He’s had multiple problems in dealing with the media.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Greed is good
unless it fucks over your sports team.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 6, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
ahh, you said Gordie Howe not Gordan Gecko
good one Kfan. rec’d
by betweentheeyes on Dec 6, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
The deal was so greasy,
Boozer’s agent fired Boozer when it went down.
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Honestly,
people seem to be afraid of trading for him mid season because they think he’ll just walk and I completely disagree. Yes, he can walk, but why would he? Our team right now, without our best player, is playing better than his team. A superstar big man averaging 26/12 would change that around quite a bit. If he came mid season we’d probably make the playoffs and the only thing keeping us from getting far would be youth and inexperience, which will only improve. In the summer we’ll be able to offer him a 6 year max deal to stay on a young, fun playoff team. Why doesn’t he take that deal? Why would he go to Miami for $20 million less to play second fiddle to Wade when he could stay here, make $20 million more, and be the man on an incredibly talented team?
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well that was my original question
and as was so aptly revealed is that the George Bernard Shaw anecdote is in play for these professional athletes.
All things equal – the improvement of this team should be an added attraction. The small market added revenue, not so much.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 6, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
oh and ...
“Best joke about prostitution ever done was by Bernard Shaw. He was at a party once and he told this woman that everyone would agree to do anything for money, if the price was high enough. `Surely not, she said.’ `Oh yes,’ he said. `Well, I wouldn’t,’ she said. `Oh yes you would,’ he said. `For instance,’ he said, `would you sleep with me for… for a million pounds?’ `Well,’ she said, `maybe for a million I would, yes.’ `Would you do it for ten shillings?’ said Bernard Shaw. `Certainly not!’ said the woman `What do you take me for? A prostitute?’ `We’ve established that already,’ said Bernard Shaw. `We’re just trying to fix your price now!
by betweentheeyes on Dec 6, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
Its a big risk
If he didn’t re-sign we’d have let some real assets go for nothing. A risk they should at least consider as I think a quality big is the only thing, besides experience that we’re lacking – but I wonder if we can wait for 4 years for another young big to develop.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Excellent point
If he has shown anything to this point, it’s that he will follow the most money.
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I'd consider
actually Trying the trade machine thingy.
not just blurting something out
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yea your right
I was wrongly looking at NJ 2010/11 season where they have 26 mill spent and could take on Martin’s contract according to Shamsports.
Where can I find the trade machine at?
The link was in the post
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 6, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
Got it thanks
Ok here we go:
Trade Spence and Martin to New Jersey for Lopez, Simmons and their #1. It works on the trade machine.
I don't think they do that
1-19, that pick is gonna be the number one before the lottery. 1-4th pick. Brook is already looking like a STUD.
Personally I think they would want back more than just Spence and Martin if that pick is involved.
Punjabi by Nature
Well if the kings get pick then it will obviously be 4th since we cant have any luck!
Judgment day is coming!
Since we're discussing Toronto...
I posted this scenario yesterday:
To Toronto: Kevin Martin and Sean May
To Sac: Andrea Bargnani and DeMar DeRozan
Of course, I’d much rather have Bosh…
Vanquish the Foe, a BYU Cougars blog at SB Nation
I've given this some thought since you originally posted this -
and my concern is that it does not fix much up front. It adds some needed depth, but it does not give us low post scoring or interior defense. Granted, Bosh is not a great defensive presence inside, but he does block shots now and then. And he is certainly a low post presence on the offensive end.
I would support this deal if it were made, but I wouldn’t be that excited about it. I sure loved the thought process, though. Very creative, sroufe. Well done.
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Bargnani and DeRozan
Are two of the worst defenders in the NBA at the moment. DeRozan has the ability to become an excellent defender in the future, but Bargnani really doesn’t or he would have shown it by now.
I’d have to say no to this trade.
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I'm not going to defend it
because it isn’t worth defending…I don’t want to trade Martin anyway – unless a stud like Bosh is somehow involved…
Vanquish the Foe, a BYU Cougars blog at SB Nation
My Trade of the Week
Kings trade Kevin Martin, Andres Nocioni and Kenny Thomas
Kings get Unprotected Pick from New York, Andrei Kirilenko, C.J. Miles, Brian Scalabrine, and Eddie House
Utah trades Unprotected Pick from New York, Andrei Kirilenko, and CJ Miles
Utah gets Kevin Martin and Kenny Thomas
Boston trades Brian Scalabrine and Eddie House
Boston gets Andres Nocioni
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjsxtvm
Utah does this because they instantly get the best backcourt in the league, they get rid of one of the worst contracts in the league, and they save some money with K-9’s expiring contract.
Sacramento does this because Kirilenko can still be a good player that fits the new Kings mantra of toughness, will be a huge expiring next year, and with the departure of Nocioni, doesn’t add another SF to the mix. They also get New York’s lotto pick, which will likely be top 5, in addition to they’re own lotto pick, which will probably range from 8-12. Scalabrine and House are expirings and will not be retained.
Boston gets Nocioni, a player they have coveted for a while, and it adds another bullet to the championship gun.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 7, 2009 12:02 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
I know I'm in the minority and delusional
but I wouldn’t trade Kevin for an unprotected #1. I get that rolling the dice is great, and GP is the guy I’d most like to have making the decision, but not all even top 5 picks pan out.
I agree with section that getting an unprotected #1 for Kevin is fair value, or maybe more, but I wouldn’t be excited to do so.
If one of the teams ahead of us took Tyreke and we had Johnny Flynn today instead, would everyone be as excited about another lottery pick?
Professional Hyperbole Slayer
Possibly
Flynn is being constrained a lot by Rambis, and we haven’t seen him playing the way he wants to yet.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
Yeah
Flynn has been the third best rookie this year. He only plays 29 mins a game which is less than both tyreke and B.Jennings. Hes averaging 14 2 and 3 which isnt horrible at all, considering hes a rookie and has Rambis on his ass
Punjabi by Nature
Rec'd
Regardless of how one feels about this deal, it is damn creative.
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Very creative Aykis...interesting
While I’d love to have the unprotected pick via NYK, I can’t stand Kirilenko and it would pain me to see him with the Kings…he will just whine and cry for a year and a half about not playing more than Casspi and Greene. Sloan starts Wesley Matthews over the guy…
Hypothetically then, I’ll imagine that pick turns into Derrick Favors. Would I trade Martin and Nocioni for Favors and a Kirilenko rental? Maybe. But there is no guarantee of getting Favors or John Wall…and I’m certainly not down with trading Speed Racer for Willie Warren or Evan Turner at this point in time…
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I like the trade
Because we dump a ton of salary and commit to younger players.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 8, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
A Small Forward - we don't need
And He’s a bit of a stat guy whose play doesn’t lead to wins.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Another Lopez-themed trade:
Kevin Martin Brook Lopez
Jason Thompson to New Jersey for: Yi Jianlan
Jon Brockman Tony Battie
#1 Draft pick
They get: A stud at power forward, a stud at shooting guard (who is good sized) to go along with their undersized but talented back court. Also, Brockness.
We get a stud at center, 2 average reserves (one of which is expiring this year), and a top 5 draft pick.
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
Wow... I really screwed up my formatting on that one, didn't I?
Martin, Thompson and Brockman for Lopez, Jianlan, Battie, and the #1 pick.
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
by tomroadrunner on Dec 7, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Damn it
Let’s try again
Can’t open the trade machine at work but how about this one:
Martin, Hawes, and our first rounder for Lopez, Battie, and their first rounder
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Nevermind
Don’t think that’s enough coming back to us but I think, Tom, on yours, Jersey is not getting enough
Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...
How about Lopez and Battie for Noc and Hawes and maybe throw em a 2nd rounder if needed?
Judgment day is coming!
That would be a coup for Sacramento.
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i mean Kwame for Pau.
Although Marc Gasol is looking pretty good. Atleast they got something back lol
Punjabi by Nature
I know this is the ASININE trade thread
but does anyone really think that the Nets, who just set the record for worst start in NBA history, are going to trade their first?
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No, but They've got some young talent already
4 good young players. But they just don’t give up Lopez. It should be clear (to us) that good young big men are really hard to find. Thats why bigs are sooo overpaid.
But dream on – thats what this is for.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, that's what this is for
Let’s throw some stuff at the wall and see what sticks. We’ll call it the “Reggie Theus offensive system” thread
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by edm7 on Dec 7, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
greater chance of getting Robin Lopez from the Suns
the problem with all young big men with the inkling of potential is that at this point in their careers they are also cheap. When a team trades away a big man prospect of some value, i.e. Robin Lopez (not great value, like Brook Lopez) than they trade away the potential of a rare commodity AND a low risk money gamble.
Of some solace: Jordan’s Bulls, 2004 Pistons all champs without dominating big men (roleplayer big men) and the teams that have made it to the finals recently (Mavs, Nets, Utah also with roleplayers at the 5). I count Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett as “big men”.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 7, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
They had very very good big men
dominant defensive/rebounding big men
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Oh rec'd for the Theus OS
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Ouch. That made my heart feel pain.
"Thou must give props" - Ice_9ine
by tomroadrunner on Dec 7, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
LOL...come play for the Queens!
Danny Ferry decides in February that the Shaq deal isn’t going to work and …
To Sac: Shaq ($21 mil. expiring)
To Cleveland: Nocioni, Thomas and Garcia
(Cavs release Jawad Williams and Coby Karl to make room…)
Vanquish the Foe, a BYU Cougars blog at SB Nation
The day Shaquille O'Neal plays for Sacramento
Is the day I stop watching the Kings.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement and Grandmaster of the "Never let AnotherStupidSN forget what a Sham-Wow is" Order.
You'll feel that way for a day or two
Then you’ll give up & come back. I said the same thing when the Kings traded for Artest.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Luckily for me
I don’t think the Kings go anywhere near Shaq.
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Or Vice Versa
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
It was a joke dude
I wouldn’t be able to take it either and I think Petrie could get more (i.e. a pick or two) for Nocioni and Garcia…
Vanquish the Foe, a BYU Cougars blog at SB Nation
Good luck with that
Cuz it’s likely the Kings will get an expiring contract for both and little more.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
By "a pick or two"
I didn’t mean anything high – most likely a second rounder as part of a deal likely bringing in expirings…not much but you never know with Petrie…
Vanquish the Foe, a BYU Cougars blog at SB Nation
I guess that's possible
But Geoff Petrie usually doesn’t ask for 2nd round picks. What Petrie will want for Noc this year, and Cisco (assuming he moves either) is expiring contracts.
If Petrie can do that (which is assuming a lot—again), than I think that will be issue #1.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I think the Kings still see Cisco in they're future
Noc, not past this year.
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Noce and Cisco worth much more than expirings IMO
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
I posted
this a week back or so as well…
To Sac: JaVale McGee and Mike James (expiring)
To Washington: Nocioni and Rodriguez
Vanquish the Foe, a BYU Cougars blog at SB Nation
I liked that one
and still do. They need to make some moves because whatever they have it’s not working.
Godfather of the "nice ass" movement.... the future begins now...
I liked it as well
might be able to get a 2nd in that deal as well
(though I really like [not last night] the change of pace Sergio offers offensively)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Chris Kaman?
Kings give up: Kenny Thomas, Spencer Hawes, Andre Nocioni
Kings get: Chris Kaman, Sebastian Telfair, Rasual Butler
Clippers give up: Chris Kaman, Sebastian Telfair, Rasual Butler
Clippers get: Andre Kirelenko, Spencer Hawes
Jazz give up: Andre Kirelenko
Jazz get: Andre Nocioni, Kenny Thomas
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Kaman intrigues me occasionally
I think the jazz #1 need is a SG though.
Whats the contract situation on Butler and Telfair?
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by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
current year
is their contract year
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Telfair has a player option at 2.7 next yr
hmmm
two years of Kaman at total of $23.5 mil + Telfair probably doesn’t opt out at $2.7
But Noce really only has two years left guaranteed at $6.5 each or so, the third is a team opton at $7.5 (never happen)
depends how much you like Kaman and whether you think he can stay healthy I guess.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
I got a dilapidated version of the trade with too much chaos
Kings give up: Spencer Hawes, Kevin Martin
Kings get: Chris Kaman, Mardy Collins, Knicks 1st rounder
Clippers give up: Chris Kaman, Rasual Butler, Mardy Collins
Clippers get: Andre Kirelenko, Spencer Hawes
Jazz give up: Kirelenko, Carlos Boozer, Knicks 1st rounder
Jazz get: K. Martin, Q. Richardson, Michael Beasley
Heat give up: Q. Richardson, Michael Beasley
Heat get: C. Boozer, R. Butler
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I know they could use a quality shooting guard
But I also think the extra cap space would allow them to S&T Carlos Boozer this summer if need be.
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You should create a fanshot and link that
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by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
May, K9 and Nocioni
For Curry and Darko!
Knicks move Curry, get an expiring and a cheap contract for a tough vet.
Kings get some big big dudes. Maybe one of them plays well enough to make the rotation. Curry is overpaid pretty much no matter what, but maybe he could have a minor “Webber” type revival. At the very least, his contract expires next season, and we could always trade it later. Darko plays tough D, I think he actually would fit in well.
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by Ice_9ine on Dec 7, 2009 4:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Darko is going back to Europe
He’s made that clear.
Curry probably – I just can’t go there.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
Had no idea Darko was going back home. He HAS to be the definition of a bust, though to be fair it’s not all his fault.
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If you search for articles on him
you’ll find he’s been saying for year or so that he’ll be playing in Europe next year.
I’m too lazy to find them again.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
No biggie
I believe you, just hadn’t heard about it. Sucks for him
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said he Wants to go back
whether you believe it or not
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by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
I think there will be someone willing to give him another chance
I would say he hasn’t found the right system yet but he has played for many so I’m not sure what to make of him anymore. It’s not like I pay too much attention either.
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I'm sorry if I wasn't clear
(or was?) He says he’s going to europe no matter what, time to get closer to home.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
He's sick of not getting playing time in the NBA
and so he’s going to Europe. I don’t blame him. He goes to a team that could actually use him (New York), and doesn’t get any time.
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I thought you meant he wanted
but wasn’t a sure thing. I get it now, took a couple tries.
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With Minnesota having another disastrous season
Think Kahn will want to bring in some veteran leadership to pair with those young guys (Jefferson, Love, Flynn, Sessions…)?
Would you do this for instance?
To Wolves: Andres Nocioni
To Kings: Brian Cardinal (expiring) and a future conditional (Top-10 protected?) 1st round pick
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Minny wouldn't do that
They already owe a 1st round pick to the Clippers in 2011.
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Oh, should have known...
Nocioni for Cardinal and Jawai? (The Mavs gave him up for just a conditional second round pick…)
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I'd do that
Noce would be pissed if that ever happens (the real Nocioni that is, not Noceone though he may get upset too).
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I wouldn't have a problem just doing Cardinal for Noc
But that’s me.
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Hey Pookey
I know we most likely won’t be players in next years big free agent bonanza but just assuming we wanted to go for someone like Bosh, how much would we need to get rid of?
I know this is highly unlikely, but I know you probably have the figures somewhere saved so I wanted to get a reminder of where we would be $$ wise this summer.
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If we traded for him first I know the answer is nothing
if not you have to start with how much is he getting paid? 16, 17, 18?
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by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
I know that
but I just want to know what the Kings would need to do money wise to be in a position to even have a 1% chance of getting him without having to give up K-Mart. I know this is highly unlikely, extremely unlikely, but I just wanted to see what would need to happen for that to even be a possibility.
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It would probably take only shedding Noc's salary
Maybe Garcia’s to accomplish signing Bosh. The real question is what the salary cap drops to, and what the maximum offer the Kings could give to Bosh to lure him away from TO.
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Note that I don't really think the Kings would be able to shed Garcia's salary until the Summer
But moving Noc’s salary SHOULD be able to give the Kings enough room theoretically. The problem is what the cap actually drops to next season, and nobody actually knows that.
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Got it
Again, it was just to get an idea to see where we stands. I believe Noc goes one way or another but if that means there’s even a small (very small) chance of landing someone like Bosh (cap numbers pending of course) then that’s just another incentive.
I think that if this team shows some good play and the young guys keep improving, maybe some FAs may look at Sac as an interesting destination. I’m not, in any way, shape or form, holding my breah for this but if there was even a slight chance of us acquiring Bosh and keeping Speed, then that would truly be amazing.
One more time, let me repeat… chances are slim to none, but if logistics work, maybe we could dream.
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I'll believe Chris Bosh signs in Sac when the official signing happens
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And use the money on - What?
Thats what I don’t get. Lets cut money, lets cut money – for what reason? So fans can call the Maloofs cheap while they’re asking for an arena?
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by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
Moving Noc just makes good financial sense
It doesn’t mean anything more or less than that.
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Everyone makes it sound
like its their money sometimes
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by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Precisely
And the Maloof’s dont’ just have this season to think about. They have next season and the year after. Plus with the prospect of the cap going down, it makes good sense to move Noc for a reasonable savings while you can.
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They'll win a few with KLove back
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by lietothegirls on Dec 7, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Phoenix wouldn't do this.
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kings, blazers, grizzlies
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhjox5x
kings get: hasheem thabeet, jerryd bayless, marko jaric
blazers get: spencer hawes
grizzlies get: kenny thomas
kings get a young center and point guard with tons of potential, and get to see jaric’s hot girlfriend in arco
blazers get a young center that can act as insurance for oden and is also a good change of pace from oden
grizzlies get rid of an ugly contract and marc gasol is playin well so thabeet is expendable
#1: No thatbust is this house..sorry just no.
#2:We have 3 point guards. Do we really need another one
#3: Really take on two years of a G/F who really isnt that great (7.3 PER)
Take on 24 million still owed over 2 years
instead of 16 million over 2 years and for worse players.
Hell no..
Judgment day is coming!
you want Hasheem Thabust as the starting center
and just to make sure he plays now, you trade away Spencer Hawes with more than two years experience and Kenny Thomas who has been a capable back up on the smaller 5s and been rebounding impressively so that you can get another point guard prospect and a chance to see Marko Jaric’s wife in the stands yelling at his hot girlfriend
I like it, well thought out. (<——- insert chasm here)
by betweentheeyes on Dec 8, 2009 12:55 AM PST up reply actions
Nocioni+Garcia for Hedo+Banks
Why for Toronto – They suck on the wings, especially defensively. This gives them depth, defense and not much lost on the offensive side of the ball really. Noc and Hedo have similar production.
Why for Sacramento – We get a playmaker that would be an ideal fit next to an Evans/Martin backcourt, and it costs us 4 million dollars more in the long run, with less 2011 liabilities(turn Beno/Thomas into Dalembert at the deadline or something to have room to sign a FA in 2011.).
New roster(if both trades happened)
C: Hawes, Dalemebert
PF: Thompson, Brockman, May
SF: Hedo, Casspi, Udoka
SG: Martin, Greene
PG: Evans, Sergio, Banks
With over 15 million coming off the books in 2011.
Some rec's for this if we want it up through the week
(not because its mine)
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Larry Brown wants a backup PF in Charl
Kenny fits the bill but I just don’t see how it works without another team involved without taking Nazr (who has another year) and Ajinca
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by lietothegirls on Dec 8, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
OK - I'm proposing this; Sac and Charlotte
K-9 for Nazr Mohamed and Alex Ajinca
Extra year of Nazr at $6.5 (he’s somewhat useful and trade bait next year – or maybe even at the deadline)
but young prospect in Ajinca
Then we find something for Noce later
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by lietothegirls on Dec 8, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty much
The Kings are basically signing Nazr for a year and a half, and worst case scenario becomes dead weight next year or a semi-tradeable asset in a package deal.
Ajinca is a Shelden-Williams-Level longshot, but PW has shown to be able to get so much more from his players, so I like his odds better.
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Its a servicable back-up C
and a tall defensive minded (I think) young prospect to groom. Can we really get more for Kenny?
Doubt it.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
I like the K9 for Nazr and Ajinca trade
I think that helps both teams.
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by Ice_9ine on Dec 9, 2009 3:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Got it
I like this because if someone feels like proposing a trade they can just come here and leave the other threads alone. I think it’s working.. good stuff lttg
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Haha
sorry, don’t remember when you proposed it, but I have no reason to believe you’re lying. Good stuff iashwash!
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He may have mentioned it
-but did he Act on it? Noooooooo.
I honestly don’t remember, but I think I did get the thought from a thread somewhere and hereby endow Iashwash will full credit, because I really like the idea.
Feel free to post the next one (not a lot of work)
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by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Trade em out:
Kings Clips and Hornetsin this one:
Clips get Noc and Okafor (Play a lineup of B.Davis, Gordon, Noc, Smtih and Okafor)
Hornets get: K9,and Hawes (Lots of cap relief and and cheap center)
Kings get Kaman and Camby (Noc and hawes pay for Cambyand we pay 2 years worth of Kaman)
Imagine Kings 3 man rotation of JT, Kaman, Camby.
Heres my ideas on lineups:
Tyreke / Sergio
Beno / Udoka
Omri / Donte – (Omri & Donte interchangeable here dependant on opposing team)
Thompson / Camby – (Jt & Camby interchangeable here dependant on opposing team)
Kaman /Sean May
Doc Brocktimus Prime Mancakes Monster- Wherever you need him really
DNP
Garcia, Francisco GF
Martin, Kevin SG
Looking at it this way:
Beno/Sergio
Tyreke/Omri
Judgment day is coming!
Does that work in the trade machine?
Doesn’t seem like it
We’re giving up 10 mil and taking in 23 mil or so?
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by lietothegirls on Dec 8, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Potential problem
I’m betting that the Clippers like the play of Kaman right now more than Okafor, and Kaman is owed about $29 million less than Okafor. And I’ve never believed that New Orleans is looking to give away Okafor.
One of the things that irritates the crap out of me is when I read on other blogs that the Kings are looking to fire sale Kevin Martin because they are (according to these other blogs) losing money. Similarly, I find it difficult to believe that the Hornets are looking to fire sale Okafor less than two months (in playing time) after trading a shorter contract (Chandler) to obtain him. I could be 100% wrong, but I can’t believe that the Hornets would have dealt Chandler for Okafor if the intent was to turn around and give Okafor away.
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I was just basing this off of rumor about k9 for Okafor
Hornets do it to dump salary for free agent market maybe next year
Clips do it for a better center and a Noc
Kings do it because..well its Camby and Kaman
You may be right about clips though.
.See where is Ed to keep me in my place about getting another center when i need him!
Judgment day is coming!
Its a little unrelated but
If the Clippers are trying to outbid you for a guy
(Brand, Davis, [Beno] , Maggette)
LET THEM!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 8, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Got it
And my discontent is not aimed at you. But the Okafor rumor was a one-time, short lived rumor (unlike the info that was coming out of Golden State regarding S-Jax, for example). And if you look at the Hornets payroll, this deal does not make them players in next year’s free agent market, so they would basically be doing it as a mult-year salary dump. This only a few months after they obtained him for a shorter contract? Makes no sense.
And I understand that you think that Okafor is worth $29 million more than Camby. My guess (and it’s just a guess) is that the Sterling-run Clippers don’t see it the same way.
It’s an ambitious trade idea, but I would be shocked if the Clips and Hornets would be interested in this deal.
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I don't disagree
but that New Orleans arena was very empty last night. With two All-Stars on their roster. They’re losing a bunch of money from reports.
At some point something may give.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
We're always slow to begin.
Last two seasons, the attendance numbers are much better during the middle and end of the season. The stadium doesnt get pacled till after football season. Even saying that we had a good attendance record, and stadium was at near capacity.
Those reports are usually fabricated by people trying to put the hornets in a tough negotating position.Forbes said we made a small profit last year even though we are a low value team. We’ll be fine as long as we DONT make bonehead moves like trading a good salary for an expiring contract and a soft center (hawes) thereby alienating cp3.
Fans on either side of that argument
always make it sounds like its thier money they’re making or losing.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 12, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm -
Regarding the Hawes comment, you do realize that he is making less money than Hilton Armstrong, right?
Let me get a window specialist out to that glass house of yours.
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True
But I’m not trying to trade Hilton, for an above average center…
And I agree -
Too bad your constituents don’t feel the same way, based on the results of the poll…
I can’t believe that the Hornets would fire sale Okafor less than two months after acquiring him. I also can’t believe that you have seen Spencer Hawes play enough to make the assertion that he is soft, and I was surprised to see you make what I believe to be such a silly accusation, since that has never been your style.
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wrong foot. my apologies.
First of all, this is my fault . I started this unnecessarily by calling the guy soft. I shouldn’t have gone there. I have great admiration for the players and the fans of Sacto, as I hope I have displayed by my constant attempts to poach your players.
Let me just say I don’t think that is a trade of equal value. It is hard to get player like Okafor. And even though K9’s contract puts us in a better financial position, we will still be over the cap, and our ability to get a starting quality big will be limited.
Hawes has several talents, but being quick footed isn’t one of them. Pairing him with an equally slow David West prevents us from adequately guarding against the pick and roll, or stretch 4’s. It also eliminates any chance of a fast break, which wastes CP’s skills.
This deal is much different then even the OKC trade accepted by the Hornets last year. The reason being that at the time we also had 13 million dollars in expiring contracts, and the ability to offer 2 first round picks to any team looking to shed a big. We no longer have that ability because we need our picks for the wings, and we have traded our expirings.
Also, as a team that constantly has to fend crap trades (Kevin Martin for a bag of peanuts, and Raef Lafrentz’s corpse), I hope you can understand my ire. Part of it is just the natural overvaluing of one’s own assets, but I think a large part of it is due to teams, and their fans underestimating the intellegence, value, and most importantly negotiationg power of other teams.
We have been disappointing this year, and we are a small market team. Thus we must be having a fire sale. No one would try a trade like that with the Blazers. A team much loved by the media, or even Philly, a team in much worse financial shape then the Hornets, but who are in a larger better respected market.
Also there seems to be no thought as to how the pieces fit together (in my opinion the worst part about many potential trades
, and why I am so confused by people who think it is a good idea to pair twin beanpoles Bosh and Noah together).
Okafor and Thompson would be a perfect match, but unless there is a way to get us a big of equal value back, or at least one with potential to be a good compliment to D West, then this move doesn’t work.
And on this I agree with you 100%
My whole thing with the Okafor trade has been why would the Hornets salary dump a guy that they traded for just a few months earlier? Chandler was the shorter contract, so why would the Hornets have made the deal if they were in such financial peril?
We face the same crap here with people all over the country thinking that we need to fire sale Kevin Martin. It’s ludicrous.
Okafor is worth more than expiring, that’s for sure. And if the Hornets can’t get fair value for him, they should retain him. Okafor may not be the cure for the Hornets woes at this moment, but he sure is not the cause. Trading him for expiring does not create enough cap space for you to be players in the free agent market next year, so what would be the point?
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Firesaling Kevin Martin is ridiculous for a number of reason's
Look across NBA rosters, and you’ll see lots of players making more than Kevin Martin. Lots & Lots & Lots more. On the face of things, even knowing what I know about Okafor as a player, do you think that Okafor is more valuable to the Kings than Kevin Martin would be? My feeling is no. (This could be debated, however, as anything, by the more interested.)
People get in such up & arms over salary concerns with the Kings, but really, on the face of things, the Kings don’t have major salary concerns. Francisco Garcia, Beno Udrih and Andres Nocioni are, without a doubt, the worst contracts the Kings now have beyond the summer of 2010. The Kings haven’t payed luxury tax since 2003-04 which, by the way, is the last time the Kings were even remotely close to a championship. (In fairness, the team did get lucky luxury tax wasn’t triggered the following season. Since, however, the team has avoided the luxury tax with the moves they have made.)
As far as Okafor’s value, there are people like jdp that would obviously like more for Oka4 than just an expiring contract. But, if the Hornets were bottoming out, that would be a good reason to dump Oka4’s contract now. Consider the following (assuming the Kings traded for Okafor):
- It would save the Hornets some luxury tax this season (it would likely be about 2 million of luxury tax, and given the Hornets are currently about 3.2 million over the luxury tax line, that isn’t an insignificant number)
- It would likely save the Hornets from having to pay luxury tax next season (or at the very least make it so that a minor deal would allow the team to get under the tax line)
- The 2010 draft is stocked with big talent, and that makes it easier to let a player like Oka4 go
Now, I don’t think the Kings want Okafor (his money really—I think they would have done the deal if Okafor had a year less on his deal and about 30 million remaining—but he doesn’t) for reasons I’ve already stated, but another big deal: They see the opportunity to get another young big in the upcoming draft if they happen to fall in the 1-10 range. Plus, I’m sure the Kings would love to acquire Tyrus Thomas is the right deal came along.
I’d much rather Geoff Petrie take the risk on another talented young player for much cheaper than buy a solid, a bit overpaid big on the market. That’s the whole problem with a player like Kenny Thomas’ contract. Yes, it’s attractive to teams who want to dump salary. The problem is that salary isn’t usually attractive to the team that has to pay for it.
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Pookey
You just had to bring logic into this didn’t you PG. I bet your not even a true PG
Judgment day is coming!
Of course not.
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gotta disagree
First of all they would have done the deal if it was actually offered. No question. As good as the Kings have been, I don’t think they will be in a low enough position to draft a quality center in the near future. And that’s a good thing! But this deal wasn’t offered, it was a rumor that I believe was started by the Kings to get the word out that they were in the market for a 5.
For the Hornets, this doesn’t make snese because there aren’t any big name centers in this draft. It’s a great draft, but it is stocked with wings and 4’s. Aldrich is the only 5 really worth drafting in the lottery and even that isn’t saying a whole lot.
You are talking about THE hardest position to fill in the L. Period. In which case our hopes rest on being bad enough to draft Aldrich who has the exact same problems that Hawes does (slow foot speed), and thus is no better equipped to stand next to D West.
Not to mention, the Center position is one of the hardest to learn, and assuming we even got a center talented enough to be a starter, by the time they got a clue as to what they were doing, CP is already out of town.
We simply do not have the benefit of a long term growth plan. Therefore, trading our bigs requires serious return in value. Not getting value in return alienates our star, and the biggest ticket draw that the Hornets have.
The Hornets know that they would lose more morning if CP leaves then paying to put a proper team around him. So it is an economic decision. It just happens to be the exact opposite of the one everyone thinks we will make.
In the rational world
PG and center are the two hardest positions to draft and to learn. I’d guess that if NewOrl decided to break their roster down for a year or two the candidates are:
Posey, Songalia, Peterson and yes, D West.
You can forget Peja this year, no chance.
You don’t give up CP3 (ever!) and probably for the reasons above, the difficulty of finding a good C, Okafor either.
If I was NewOrl I’d do just about everything I could to lose all those guys for expirings and prospects and hope that some good young pieces were back in place by the time CP3 comes up for his contract. So, trade D West for an expiring and a prospect or pick? I’d say yes. On the other guys, anything to get rid of those $$.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
Except I do think we can turn our expirings into something of value.
The benefit of having CP is that we don’t need all stars at the wings, just jump shooting defenders, one of whom needs to be able to handle the ball.
As for D West, the more I see of him the more worried I get about his D. I think one of these new long lanky hybrid guys would work well next to Mek. I guy who can run the floor, and hit the pick and pop j, defend the pick and roll, and switch on guards. That kinda thing.
Luckily there are alot of guys around who fit that mold, much like what we need from our wings. The draft is full of both types of players, and there a few free agents/ backups who also can do this.
Wolf!!
Stop trying to get another C!! Come on man!!! Just stop it!!
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Here's another 3-team deal...
To SAC: Jeff Foster, 2nd Round Pick 2010 (via NYK)
To NYK: T.J. Ford, Kenny Thomas
To IND: Al Harrington, Jared Jeffries, Sean May
Kings get a veteran center (with just one more year on his contract) to come off the bench and a draft pick (probably between 31-35) for Thomas’ expiring contract.
Knicks get more cap room for 2010 by unloading Jeffries’ contract, and add a speedy point guard (expiring also) to run D’Antoni’s offense.
Pacers get Harrington (expiring) back to help while Granger is out, and Jeffries, a former-Hoosier to provide some depth behind Murphy. With Foster gone, May could also get a chance to prove he’s worth keeping around…
so far the things i think are most reasonable
Are K9 and either May or Brockman for Nazr and Ajinca or Haywood and Blatche.
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by Ice_9ine on Dec 11, 2009 10:40 AM PST via mobile reply actions
with the downturn of the Bulls and the year slipping away in the mind of some
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydhfk4s
ChiBulls: Noah, Henrich
SacKings: K9, Sergio, Donté
Kings get Big Man and back up PG – along with Heinrich’s bloated contract
Bulls get expiring contracts and Donté for another year at bargain basement leaving them FA market space
or they could just fire VDN
Yeah, they won't give up Noah though
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 12, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
they shouldn't but they are getting desperate
and may feel they need to prepare themselves for FA 2010
by betweentheeyes on Dec 12, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Lazy or Nuts maybe both
I love the idea of Bosh, JT, DG, TE and BU or Speedy with OC, SH, FG coming off the bench, we need to think about future dollars and does CB handcuff us more than help us should we get a decent big in the draft.. remeber All of our young guys will command pretty godd dollars in 2-4 years. Detroit did a damn good job of having a lot ove very good players with no real stars and stayed very competitive for a a while..
Ok how about this for a trade:
3 team trade between Bulls, Wizards and Kings
Chicago Recieve: A Blatche
Wizards Recieve: K9, Noc, Sergio
Kings Recieve: Caron Butler, Tyrus Thomas, JaVale McGee
Reasons:
Chicago wants to move TT, but not take a lot back in return. So they pay an extra 4.5 over 2 more years and gets a serviceble PF
Wizards need a PG so they can Move Arenas to 2 guard as noted HERE under the Caron segment, so they get a speedy PG who is on his way up, they get a good 3 man in Noc, and an expiring to help take the edge off of Noc’s 3 year contract
Kings: Here I go again with big men (Try to stop me this time Ed): Well of course TT has been talked about here and I think would be a great back up to JT, We get our back up center iun Mcgee (Seeing how wizards have been playing Haywood as starter and hes a cheap contract is a great way to back up Spencer and they get CB to fill in for Noc’s spot with better scoring and a better overall player.
We are sending out : 17.9 million
Receiving: 16.0 million
IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS
2010: We pay 5.313 million beyond the trade more for Butler and Mcgee..I am definitely willing to do this for a great SF and a great Backup(Possibly starting?) center.
2011: we lose 4.2 million (From Noc’s Salary(6.65M) to Mcgee’s salary(2.5M) for a great Backup(Possibly starting?) center. By this time we have 2 drafts and plenty more Free agents to go and if Mcgee is showing more promis then Hawes..who knows what we do!
Of course I always look forward to constructive Criticism and pookeys (LOL). I’m verklempt, talk amongst yourselves..
Judgment day is coming!
Or a different way for this is if we lock up sergio
Then we look at it this way
Chicago Recieve: A Blatche
Wizards Recieve: K9, Beno
Kings Recieve: Caron Butler, Tyrus Thomas, JaVale McGee
And this still works in trade machine but i just dont know what to do with Noc at the moment except play him behind Caron
We are sending out : 14.8 million
Receiving: 16.0 million
IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS
2010: We pay 5.508 million beyond the trade more for Butler and Mcgee..I am definitely willing to do this for a great SF and a great Backup(Possibly starting?) center.
2011: we lose 4.7 million (From Beno’s Salary(7.23) to Mcgee’s salary(2.5M) for a great Backup(Possibly starting?) center. By this time we have 2 drafts and plenty more Free agents to go and if Mcgee is showing more promis then Hawes..who knows what we do!
Judgment day is coming!
Forget TT, I want Blatche
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
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