ESPN: Marion to Raptors - Sactown Royalty

This looks to be the first domino...

by towndunce on Feb 13, 2009 9:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Obvious take- Amare to Miami is dead

also, Bmiller may be Cleveland’s to lose now. It’s not everyday they can have a shot at two slow, unathletic centers.

And I'm like one of the most ghetto-ist guys in the NBA. - Ron Artest

by Kingsfan banished to AZ on Feb 13, 2009 10:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yep

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It also removes one of our B52 options

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The market for Miller isn’t that big, you know. Miami was clearly the top suitor.

Two other potential Kings impacts: Both teams should want Salmons (to Miami for Haslem?, to Toronto for Parker and a pick?), and the Boozer sweepstakes is down one team.

by Ziller on Feb 13, 2009 10:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

That is ...

If we can unload Miller.

by Ziller on Feb 13, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I still say Petrie should call Utah

Salmons + for Boozer

Brad can wait ’till summer if we have to

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Both teams should want Salmons (to Miami for Haslem?, to Toronto for Parker and a pick?)

Neither of those trades is very good, with the Toronto deal slightly better than terrible.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Feb 13, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Now let's turn the focuse to New York

Stephon Marbury anyone?

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Feb 13, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

its official....

trading season has begun….

by B-RAD on Feb 13, 2009 10:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

So...

You don’t think that trade season began with the “blockbuster” Vlad-Rad trade?

by PhutureKings on Feb 13, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Something tells me

This trading deadline is going to pass with a whimper for the Kings.

The only reason you’d trade Salmons for expirings is if you can clear Brad and KT. Brad is injured, Miami was the most logical place and they’re going with O’Neal……. not good at all. given the morose state of the franchise I think this puts a lot of pressure on the front office to go all-in on Amare.

by nbrans on Feb 13, 2009 10:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

C'mon its a long weekend....

Don’t make me depressed on Friday morning.

by discocricket on Feb 13, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's a long weekend!

There’s a reason not to be depressed.

by nbrans on Feb 13, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Of those 'dozen' offers we supposedly have

how many I wonder include Salmons?

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 10:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

90%

He has a good deal and is a good player.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Feb 13, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Probably ...

… 11. Our best tradable, likely-to-be-traded asset.

by Ziller on Feb 13, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No Panic Here, Still Hoping

Salmons can drag K9 out of town with him (Cavs, Blazers?). Then we can expire Brad.

Or…has anybody heard from the NYK lately regarding Marbury? Speaking of awful quiet….

by ttylerbballcamper on Feb 13, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

Well leave it to Colangelo to make a deal nobody saw coming. I’m guessing if the Raptors deal fell through, B52 would have been next on the list for Miami.

That’s a tough decision actually. Would you rather want O’Neal or Miller? Moon is probably better than what filler we would have had to offer.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 10:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I think it came down to Toronto taking Banks

by nbrans on Feb 13, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That makes sense

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Except Miami, the best suitor for Brad were the Bulls I think. But Noah and Tyrus have been playing very well lately so it doesn’t seem much possible anymore.

If Brad’s not traded, I think he’ll find a way somehow to shut himself down for the last 20 games or so.

by ZenBaller on Feb 13, 2009 10:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

They could still use him

not sure they’d give up TT though, the one I want

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

but I think Chicago would give up TT for him. They could slide Noah over to the 4 or they could have Brad play the 4.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Do it

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone think

that this happened because Memphis didn’t want to be the “facilitator” in the Amar’e trade and give up Gay for Beasley? I think that might fit in to it.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 10:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I think they'd be fine swapping Gay for Beasley

I think

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't be

if I were them.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No kidding

Gay’s got issues, but is Beasley’s ceiling really higher?

by discocricket on Feb 13, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Riley should have gotten some balls

And drafted Mayo or Love instead.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Amare

You know, looking at how this affects things, I think our chances of landing Amare just ticked up a substantial notch. Both Toronto and Miami, and especially Miami, were plausible landing places for Amare, but this deal negates that.

That would seem to leave Chicago as a possible landing place, but that would necessitate Phoenix taking back Hughes, which I don’t think Phoenix would want to do.

It really leaves Detroit (Sheed + Amir), Portland (LaFrentz + ?), and us (Moore, BJax, Hawes/Thompson). I actually think the Kings have a pretty decent shot now.

by nbrans on Feb 13, 2009 10:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

New York

You’re forgetting them. They could take Amar’e AND Shaq as pookey has pointed out so many times.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Right

And New York.

by nbrans on Feb 13, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Although again

I don’t know that Phoenix would give up Shaq for the NYK pu pu platter, and then it becomes a question of whether New York would take on Barbosa. I don’t think they would.

Marbury’s expiring is a little unwieldy to make a Phoenix/NYK trade happen.

by nbrans on Feb 13, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok well lets say NYK is out

which I don’t think they are.

If you were PHX and you saw the options were Detroit, with Sheed + Amir Johnson, Portland with LaFrentz + Aldrige OR Bayless or Sacramento with what you put, I probably wouldn’t go for the Kings unless they offered JT. And thats not going to happen. Knock on wood.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think Portland would offer Aldridge

Maybe Bayless.

And if you were Phoenix, would you rather turn Portland into a possible contender or Sacramento into a possible 30 win team?

by nbrans on Feb 13, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Right - we have that going for us

I heard the Suns said "thanks for calling! – goodbye’ when NY called.

But who knows

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You've said this before

Where did you hear that? Just wondering

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd link it if I could

in an article I found linked on hoopshype a week or so ago

I hear the bad blood is pretty bad

But up against the deadline – who knows

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I read it. The Suns said no thanks to the Knicks.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Feb 13, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Only way I see Phoenix going through with this

is if we include Thompson and our 1st round draft pick.

The question is: would that be a good trade for us?

I’m ambivalent – this team has so many holes, we really need more than just one player.

Making this trade a success would necessitate Hawes becoming a successful starter – meaning the center and both forward positions would be filled for the foreseeable future (Hawes, Amare, and Martin).

However, we still would need to fill in both guard spots – and with little cap space our only hope to fill those positions with decent players would be the 2010 and 2011 draft – which will likely be (with this trade) a middling pick.

Having said that, anytime I mention the potential frontcourt of Hawes, Amare and Martin I get a really good feeling in my tummy.

My brain, however, sees a defensive shipwreck.

by thelettere on Feb 13, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think it would take both Thompson and a Pick

That’s too much, even for Amare. And given his contract situation I don’t think anyone is coming along with a better deal. If Phoenix doesn’t want to take it c’est la vie.

by nbrans on Feb 13, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree...

No way we give up one-half of Shock & Hawes PLUS our first rounder. Besides, I’d much rather keep Shock over Hawes, so as I’ve proposed many times, we should offer Salmons, BJax, Hawes & HOU’s pick for Amar’e.

by PhutureKings on Feb 13, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If thats true, no deal happens

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Better to walk away

Leaving Hawes/Houston’s 1st on the table as a best offer rather than trading JT and our 1st. No sense in getting screwed in all of this.

by nbrans on Feb 13, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

fo' shizzle

But, if push comes to shove, and PHX insists on JT over Hawes…what do you do?

In property class we learned about the phenomenon of overvaluing the possessions you already own, so perhaps my hesitation is unwarranted?

by PhutureKings on Feb 13, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I would do

Filler/JT but no Houston pick or Filler/Hawes/Houston’s pick

But I wouldn’t give up our own pick in either case. I hear you about overvaluing your own possessions. Luckily I don’t really think much of Hawes and even in JT’s best case he’s not approaching Amare. But then, you have to consider Amare’s contract/attitude issues. It’s a tough call.

by nbrans on Feb 13, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see

Why you wouldn’t just throw Houston’s pick in. It’s going to be a fairly low pick anyway. I wouldn’t let that pick become the deciding factor. I do agree that we don’t give up our unprotected pick and JT.

Keep in mind that the deal for Garnett was Al Jefferson and a top 3 protected pick, so that’s probably what Phoenix is looking for from us.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Feb 13, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Garnett's Garnett

And Amare’s Amare.

I’d probably give up the Houston pick if Kerr asked nicely, but picks are just so valuable, especially if you choose right. That’s four years for basically no salary if you get someone productive.

by nbrans on Feb 13, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And to Phoenix

The price is the same.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Feb 13, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Gavin and Joe after the deadline -

“Turn those machines back on! Turn those machines back on!”

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 13, 2009 10:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

this is just a bad trade. Bargnani better perform.

Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
'spect da 'xtra E'

by iashwash on Feb 13, 2009 11:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ya I don't like the trade

But mostly for Toronto. They get Marion, who they can let walk, but in the mean time have no real big other than Bosh and Bargnani, who is an oversized SF.

Miami at least is getting a ton of cap space this summer.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't get it for Miami

You’d think they could get something better than Moon and O’Neal. I guess getting rid of Marcus Banks’s reprehensible contract is the big draw for them.

by Deleran on Feb 13, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

From the trade machine

Both Moon and O’Neal only have this year left on their contract. So that gives them a massive amount of money in the offseason, along with getting rid of Banks horrid contract. If the machine is somehow wrong on O’Neal’s contract, then I don’t get it for them.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Here's the trade machine link

Here

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I suppose that makes more sense then.

Looks a little worse for Toronto.

by Deleran on Feb 13, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

look at it this way

would you trade Marion + the opportunity to get rid of Banks (a huge perk) for Boozer?

That’s probably what Miami did.

by ForThree on Feb 13, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's what I'm thinking

They’re making room for this summer.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

O'Neil has another year at $20 mil

What are you talking about? He doesn’t expire…

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Toronto has room now I guess

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The trade machine link I had above shows him at 1 year

I THOUGHT that was wrong.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

my mistake then

I was operating under the information above in this thread.

If O’Neal isn’t expiring, then yes, I’m totally wrong, sorry about that.

by ForThree on Feb 13, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He can opt out I think - not likely

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

your correct

He can opt out but won’t, where else is Oneal going to make 20 mil plus a season. Wow! and I’m complaining about Brads contract.

by MITCH FRONTAGE on Feb 13, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ya thats a horrible contract

I really don’t like this trade for Miami now. They’ve basically killed their cap space for this summer. Maybe there hopping on the 2010 bandwagon now too.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

They always were Aykis

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Im afraid it’s going to be the same that I was hearing from Oakland A’s all off season. They had all this money they were going to spend, and they were going to make a splash. Nothing major has happened. I have a feeling the same thing happens here. Nothing but talk.

by shadow1480 on Feb 13, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Didn't they get

Matt Holliday and Giambi?

by discocricket on Feb 13, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah BaseballProspectus has them winning their division.

Seems good enough to me.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Feb 13, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

but this was after Holliday. About adding a key piece to go next to him.

I know I sound stupid. I’m just letting the frustrations go!!! Forgive me :-)

by shadow1480 on Feb 13, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you

know how you think something stupid, and you don’t know how stupid it is till you see it in print? That’s me. I write to see how dumb I sound.

by shadow1480 on Feb 13, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A Lot of Variables

The first thing I thought upon hearing this was that we are now 50% less likely to trade away Miller by the deadline.

Next, I thought about how our cap would be affected (not as much money to spend w/ Miller still on the books, obviously).

Then, as some have pointed out, this could actually lead to us being a stronger contender for Amar’e.
But, let’s not count Miami or Toronto out of anything yet, because, as far as we know, one of those teams might just turn around and flip some of their new acquisitions. So, we can’t say for sure how this all plays out, but my initial reaction is that this is probably not a good thing for us.

The Kings better get their shit together. I think we all are hoping for something to happen before the deadline…and by “something” I do NOT mean Salmons is traded for expiring salary cap.

by PhutureKings on Feb 13, 2009 11:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Hopefully its Brad traded for Expiring

But if John goes for nothing I’m going to be mad.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs

+1

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Feb 13, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

+2

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

+8

by discocricket on Feb 13, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

How can it be +2 if he has only one rec?

Somebody is lying about their pluses.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 13, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't know a concur required a rec - but done

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, there's where my confusion came from

I thought +1 meant, you know add one to the total number.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 13, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Me too

Man, this blogging biz is so technical – i just know i’m gonna screw up

by batso on Feb 13, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm starting to worry a little

the GP has overplayed a weak hand. I’m still hopeful, but a little more nervous than I was a few hours ago.

by ForThree on Feb 13, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Do the suns do this?

Kings get:
Matt Barnes
Amare Stoudamire

Suns get:
Brad Miller
Bobby Jackson
2009 Rockets 1st Round Pick
2010 Kings 1st Round Pick (top 3 protected)

I figure the kings would rather do that than part with Spencer or JT, but is it enough to get Amare (Barnes is thrown in to make the money work).

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Feb 13, 2009 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Suns don't want salary

So Brad’s out.

by Ziller on Feb 13, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So Mikki, Shelden, Bobby....

Eh who knows the suns have sold things for cheaper.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Feb 13, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If Steve Kerr did that trade

Geoff Petrie would win MVP, Jesus would come back, and Elvis would come back from the dead.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Elivs is dead?

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 13, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Who's Elvis?

by shadow1480 on Feb 13, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He was a dog

In a movie called: “”http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101757/" >Don’t tell Mom the Babysitter’s Dead."

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No

The planet he visited is called “the dead” in the Alien language.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

and they're grateful for the visit

by hozr on Feb 13, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

and Jerry is Francisco's cousin

by betweentheeyes on Feb 13, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously doubt it

The Suns require 3 things for Amar’e:
-Expiring salary
-Draft picks
-Young players w/ potential

I’d say your deal gets done if Salmons is subbed for Miller and Hawes is subbed for the 2010 pick.
Which, by the way, is a trade I’d make. If Salmons, Jax, Hawes & HOU’s pick gets Amar’e I’d do it for sure.
Udrih, Martin, Garcia, JT, Amar’e (Brown, Greene, Williams, Miller off the bench) for the rest of the season.

by PhutureKings on Feb 13, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I valued the top 3 protected pick > Hawes.

So I would do your deal as well although, it depends on what the market is for Salmons. If Salmons for Joe Smith and a pick is availible I’d probably do that and than bank on one of our mid 20s pick becoming a nba player which with petrie’s draft cred is realistic.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Feb 13, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Market for Slamons

Is pretty strong. He’s on a reasonable contract and playing pretty well right now.

I have to disagree with your preferred trade, though. Amar’e is a guranteed beast, 4-time all-star. An expiring contract and a draft pick in the mid-twenties (especially in this year’s draft) doesn’t get you anything close to what Amar’e offers. Thus, if it’s between the two deals, I don’t think you “bank” on a mid-20 pick over the opportunity to get a guy like Amar’e. Plus, say all you want about cap space, but it’s unusual to get a superstar player in free agency. The best opportunities are the draft & via trade.

I hate to give up Hawes, but I don’t see him impacting a team the way Amar’e does, and a front court of Amar’e & Shock paired with Martin and whatever the draft brings us, is pretty formidible.

by PhutureKings on Feb 13, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ramon Sessions

Any thoughts on getting Ramon Sessions to solve the PG issues?

by kingsfaninthebay on Feb 13, 2009 11:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I like him too...

I just don’t know what we have that the bucks would want.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Feb 13, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sessions

will be a restricted free agent this summer.

by ForThree on Feb 13, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If the Kings move Beno this is sorta possible...

I just think it all depends on how the draft shakes out.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Feb 13, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bbbbut

..we have our point guard of the future locked up for 25 years!

by discocricket on Feb 13, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Story in Chicago is that Paxton is out next week

Does that take them out of the running for Amare?

Or is it because he Doesn’t want to do the deal?

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Well,

If it’s bc he doesn’t want to do the deal, then they should fire him immediately, rather than waiting a week, at which time the deadline will have passed.

Side note – I’m beginning to hate the Goddamned ESPN lottery machine. I “played” five times and the result was that the Kings got to pick 4th, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 1st. I quit while we were number one ;)

by PhutureKings on Feb 13, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That thing is so stupid

Every time I play it comes up with ridiculous people getting the 1st pick. The first time I tried it the Nets won the lottery with a .6 % chance.

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I play 20 times a shot

I have had us win #1 two times in twenty with the second worst record and the Warriors win 6 times with a 6.8% chance. So I scrubbed it for a while. I tried the other day and with the worst record, the Kings got the #1 9 out of 20 times so I don’t play anymore. And yes, I do keep playing until they land the #1 even if it takes “forever”.

by betweentheeyes on Feb 13, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ESPN News

Had the story at 9:58 am….It was posted online later.

by HesGotTheBucket on Feb 13, 2009 12:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

This trade increase our chances of securing Tyson Chandler

by nothingbutnet on Feb 13, 2009 2:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Thats a possibility I think

but something would have to be done with Brad first.

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Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

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by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If we move him to "Waterboy" does that still count on our payroll?

by nothingbutnet on Feb 13, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Buying or Selling

We’ve all been acting like we have to make a move. Like we’d be the team making calls, pounding the pavement, nagging teams to try to find a better deal. Why don’t we assume the opposite? We’ve got expring contracts, we’ve got guys who could be contributors, we’ve got solid guys with good contracts.

I know a lot of teams are trying to avoid adding payroll, but a payroll bump would be worthwhile to a legit contender. They’d more than make up the money based on the financial bonuses of being a champion. I see GP sitting back and waiting for the phone to ring with the right deal. Miami called, but they wanted to throw Banks into the deal. We said thanks but no thanks, and sat back and continued to wait to see if the phone rings. If it doesn’t, wgar’s the big deal? This is a lost season already, so let’s just sit back. If a great deal comes along, we’ll pounce.

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by Exhibit G on Feb 13, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Agree

Im hoping thats why we haven’t already made a deal. I definitely didn’t want Marion if it came with Banks. Seems Toronto didn’t mind since it got Oneal off their payroll. At this point I think Brad will be traded for cap or wait until the summer (As if that wasn’t what we were doing anyways). Hopefully if Salmons doesn’t net us good assets we can also ship him out during the offseason at a higher value.

by MITCH FRONTAGE on Feb 13, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps What We Really Said Was

“Thanks, but no Banks.”

Rim shot.

by PhutureKings on Feb 13, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs

Hiyo!

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Feb 13, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bud dum psh!

by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

www.instantrimshot.com

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by iashwash on Feb 13, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

that is wonderful

rec’d

by betweentheeyes on Feb 13, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

best thing I've found online today

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by Bluejohn on Feb 13, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

to be fair

I stole that link from someone – I think either Carl or Otis, let me check.

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by iashwash on Feb 14, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

to be fair

I stole that from Carl – all the credit is due to him. Great website.

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by iashwash on Feb 14, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah -

But you made it cool. Who pays attention to Carl, anyway? :)

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by section214 on Feb 14, 2009 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

How about

Kings get Stoudemire and Robin Lopez.

Suns gets Thompson (player with potential), Salmons (decent player and value), BJax (expiring) and Sheldon Williams (expiring) and the 2010 No. 1.

We get a star and another young big to back up Spencer; they get two decent players, free up some space next year and have a crack at a possible lottery pick the following year.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 13, 2009 8:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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by section214 on Feb 13, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Can you imagine

Jason Thompson getting passes from Nash? And having Grant Hill and the other Suns vets take him under his wing? I am thinking of the Suns take on this deal.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 13, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This deal

is definitely better than what the Cavs are offering. Not quite as much expiring money, but JT is probably better than Hickson, they get Salmons and the pick will be much better. Maybe it’s too good, but sometimes you have to step up to the plate and do what it takes to get it done.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 14, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs