Modelling Jason Thompson
(Great analysis from ForThree. -- TZ)
No, I'm not talking about his potential career in underwear ads ala Roger Craig, I'm talking about looking at his year to date and seeing if we can find player(s) he resembles to give us an idea of his possible career trajectory. I'm trying to answer the question, given what we know, how good do we think he might be?
Rebounding
Rebounding is the first thing I think of for JT, so that's where I started. First I compared him to Charles Oakley. The bad news is, there's no comparison:
JT(22) - ORB 11.2, DRB 19.4
Oakley(22) - ORB 15.7, DRB 27.1
However, Oakley was a complete beast for rebounding, so I think we found our ceiling, its likely JT won't be as good a rebounder as Oakley. The next guy that came to mind for me was Horace Grant, here's his numbers:
Grant(22) - ORB 9.8, DRB 18.2
That's a pretty good match, giving JT the nod. Grant had similar rebounding numbers until he was 28 and then from 28-30 reached his peak.
One other comparison I made was Larry Nance. Nance was a very good offensive player and a decent rebounder, averaging 8-9 rebounds per 36 minutes for his career. JT's current season would have been the best season of Nance's entire career, so rebounding wise, I think we can park JT as better than Nance, slightly better than Horace Grant and not as good as Charles Oakley. That leaves JT as a 10 rp36min guy, a threat every night to get the 10 side of a 20/10 performance.
Offense
JT's offensive numbers so far:
JT(22) - 13.5 PER, 54.2% TS%, AST% 6.8, TOV% 15.7, ORtg 104
Some comperables:
Boozer(21) - PER 17.9, TS% 57.7%, AST 9.3%, TOV 12.8%, ORtg 114
Wayman Tisdale (21) - PER 14.0, 53.9% TS%, AST 5.4%, TOV 14.5%, ORtg 101
Otis Thorpe(22) - PER 16.6, 62.0% TS%, AST 8.1%, 18.1% TOV%, ORtg 111
Antonio McDyess(21) - PER 15.6, 51.7% TS%, 5.8% AST%, 13.5% TOV%, ORtg 102
Some other players I looked at JT doesn't measure up to offensively: Terry Cummings, Grandmama (Larry Johnson).
On offense, JT hasn't demonstrated he's going to be an elite player. His first year doesn't match guys like Boozer, Otis Thorpe, Terry Cummings, etc. He is similar to some players that were good offensively though. Many here remember Wayman Tisdale, he was pretty decent on offense, Antonio McDyess seems to be the best match I can find.
Overall
The best projection I can come up with for JT in two-four years or so is 16-18ppg / 9-10rpg, with a career similar to Antonio MCDyess (hopefully minus the injuries). That's a hell of a good player, but probably not a multiple time All-Star or anything like that. JT should be a better rebounder than most of his peers, but so far hasn't shown the quick hands for steals or a lot of blocked shots, even for a forward. He probably won't be a 20/10 guy, and its unlikely he'll be a lead player. He seems like about the 3rd best player on a very good team with a PER of about 20.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Nice analysis
I’d say if you’ve managed to get it exactly right, we have a very nice player going forward. Oh sure, maybe it’s just the thrill of seeing a Kings big actually hustle, but I adore this kid and the effort he brings.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
There's no exactly right of course
with this type of thing, I’m just trying to put some bounds around our expectations.
Id love a third best player with a PER of 20
by passionforPERPS on Feb 14, 2009 10:48 AM PST reply actions
yah
Kevin’s was 21-22 last year and the year before, he’s regressed this year (hopefully because of the ankle).
I’m kind of assuming we don’t get the 30 PER guy like Lebron, and need several very good players instead. Kevin, JT and someone in the 22-25 range should make a pretty decent team I would think, given other decent pieces around them.
ForThree you are showing your age, dude
Larry Nance, Grandmama – it is one of the joys of this blog site – long time fans with a mature look at the game.
I have watched a ton of hoop as well through the many years. I don’t see the style of JT similar to only but a few players you mention. Rather than analyze each one, I am hopeful for Horace Grant, but the Xavier type players – Brian Grant, Tyrone Hill are more in keeping. Though I expect JT to have better handles on the break (haven’t seen it however)
Antonio McDyess is an apt comparison for numbers, (18/9 his first 6 seasons) but it just seemed McDyess commanded a lot of attention when on the court – I can’t yet see JT putting up occassional games of 40 points, but I can see the occassional 15-20 boards box score.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 14, 2009 10:53 AM PST reply actions
Yep, I'm old
I’m with you. A range between Tyrone Hill (I hope for more) and McDyess seems reasonable.
I think with some maturity JT can be a presence on the floor. If he is routinely getting 18ppg on a real high eFG%, teams are going to try to put a stop to it with double teams and such, of course causing him to then adjust. I think McDyess had a lot more of the presence you’re talking about than Horace Grant, who was ridiculously efficient, but took what was given rather than taking what he wanted. I think JT falls somewhere in between.
I see some stuff on the site though, especially when we were talking about Boozer, which kind of said, why would we want Boozer, we have JT? And I wanted to put that assertion to the test. I think JT’s going to be a very good player, but he’s very likely not going to be a multiple time All-Star or as good as someone like Boozer, Nance, Cummings, etc.
JT has an interesting learning curve 4 3
He’s only been a big man for few years. It’s still fairly new territory for him. And this team is hard to showcase a rookie like JT. (He would be incredible for a team like Phoenix next to a guy like Amare Stoudemire though. With Steve Nash and what not. Not Amare Stoudemire in Sac.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Great post
You put into numbers what’s been in my head all along. I think you’re spot on. Jason is going to be a good player, but not a multiple time All Star.
Shut up and Coach
Great analysis
Love it, man.
With players in this range, the parts around him and the style of the team will matter a lot. If Martin remains the only other star the next couple seasons, I can see J.T. soaking up a lot of shots … and that could hurt his TS% but up his scoring (a la Al Jefferson, Chris Kaman).
Where Shock is most lethal is in transition — that’s where those “young Karl Malone” murmurs came from in November. A killer defensive rebounder, a point guard who pushes, and a coach who wants the team to run … that’s a recipe for some big J.T. scoring numbers.
If 16/10 is his upside, why not send him to PHX?
Provided we lock Amare into a contract, of course.
Because he wants to be here and his contract will be reasonable
Let’s say in 3 yrs we’re a contender with Amare. He’s up for a new contract and wants the max assuming he doesn’t opt out in 2010. So, whats the better deal Amare with a career aver of 21ppg & 8.9rpg at $20M or JT putting up 16ppg & 10rpg at $3M. I think we could find someone to make up those 5ppg for the $17M difference in salary. Plus do you really believe that Amare is worth more to the Kings who aren’t even a contender yet, than JT and the draft picks we’ll have to give up to get him.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Amare's impact
goes beyond the simple point and rebound differential. He’s a legit go-to player that JT likely will never be, which alone makes Amare’s worth difficult to measure.
Huh?
He’s a legit go-to player that JT likely will never be
by betweentheeyes on Feb 15, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
if that is the case, I need a drink!
beat you to that one 214.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 14, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
JT also needs to become very familiar with Dunkin Donuts
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Drunkin Donuts
http://www.instantrimshot.com/
man, I love that link!
by betweentheeyes on Feb 14, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Who wouldn't?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Yep
good stuff. Also agree with Pookey’s point above about the late growth spurt and it’s effect on where JT is at on his learning curve.
If he’s an 18-10 guy with his attitude and hustle, I would move him securely into the untouchable section of the organization with Kevin and our next two #1 picks.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 14, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
The only thing at this point I quesiton is Donte
Cuz Shock & Hawes are coming along just nicely as far as I can tell.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Yea, me too
Coach T had nice things to say about his stay in Reno. But, the reports in the Bee that he doesn’t say after practice and work out like JT & Spencer, has me worried. He seems to be having too much fun, which is ok if your still working hard to improve your craft. But, the picture I’m getting is of a immature kid that’s not taking his job seriously.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
JR Smith was an immature kid
Immaturity goes away if you’re not dealing with teenagers. Jes sayin…..
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I know of this guy in his mid to late twenties
who posts on a web site, that can occasionally act a little immature. ;)
But seriously, how ofter do you hear about some sports figure acting immature. Almost everyday, Phelps and his cannibus pipe, and what about Richardson driving 55MPH over the speed limit with his 3 yr old in the car but not in a child safety seat. Richardson is 28.
But, acting irresponsibly is different than being serious about your job & the game you loved your whole life. Not putting in the time, to prepare yourself is not just immature, to me it seems lazy. Or, as my wife suggested (she works with emotionally disturbed teenagers by the way), it sounds like he may be sharing some weed with Brad.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Me? Immature? Me? Never! I would never do that
I’m right on track with 210 in dog years. So I’m doing okay there. I guess the issue is comparing the difference between irresponsible behavior (like drinking & driving with your 3 year old kid in the car), and not working on your game after practice with the other young talents on your team. There’s quite a bit of difference. JR Smith didn’t get a DUI right? (Also, Charles Barkley recently got a DUI too. What’s his excuse? Probably will hurt that 2012 gubernatorial campaign he had planned though.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I should have put in my original post
I got all the stats from basketball-reference.com for anyone interested.
I'm on vacation
He’ll be a vey gode playr
(hick)!
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
This is the exact reason
I can still stomach watching the Kings games anymore. Just to watch JT improve and grow as a player. With the motor this kid has, and the drive to be great, that you just cant teach, i’d be willing to say Jason Thompson has a chance to be named as a backup one day on an allstar team. Don’t think he has the Offensive tools to be a AS starter, but I could see him hussling his way onto an allstar squad. Just think , the kid is gonna get bigger, he is gonna get better offensively around the rim! He is going to get into the system and he will be an anchor on this team for the next 5-6 years. Really another great pick by Petrie. You can already tell the Kid is going to be very good. Petrie sure can spot good mid round talent. Question is can he find talent in the top 5 THIS year? If so then he deserves a raise. If not he will be unemployed shortly thereafter
I have cut the Mouth and Nose out of my Paper Bag, but I am contemplating not cutting out any EYE HOLES so I don't have to watch this mess at all...
Think about it.
I have. I’ve linked Jason Thompson’s game to David West’s.
He might be a taller Corliss Williamson.
In that case
He’ll be an All-Star. Corliss’s only negative was he wasn’t a good rebounder. That and he was a 4 too short, and had to play the 3.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
agree with that sentiment PG
Corliss was a winner with class. I am a big Corliss Fan. Any bigger (way bigger) Nate Robinson’s out there? I would take one of those too.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 16, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Mr Robinson lacks class
That would be the difference. Damn classy Arkansas guys. I hate ’em all.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
have to love Nate's motor.
He is a little caught up in the NY braggadocio but he will mature (a counter argument would be Starbury).
by betweentheeyes on Feb 16, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Starbury's from Crooklyn
He ain’t ever going to change.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....


















