The Death of the Box Score, and Jason Thompson
by Ziller on Feb 15, 2009 9:42 AM PST
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The New York Times picked either the best or worst weekend to published Michael Lewis' beautiful treatment of Daryl Morey and the 'moneyball' of the NBA. With All-Star Weekend and the impending trade deadline, there was the opportunity for it to slip by without much notice.
But the immense thirst for deep analysis of basketball has helped it shine their the fog, and everyone's talking about the story and the meat behind it.
I promised a short Kings-focused analysis, and it took me a couple reads to really sort through some of the wheat in there. Obviously, one of the huge takeaways is adjusted plus-minus. Morey not only uses it in Houston -- he can rattle off Battier's seasonal marks, the marks for the league leaders, and Battier's career figure. Suffice it to say that Morey thinks plus-minus is important.
As such, you'll be happy to learn Jason Thompson has a Top 50 adjusted plus-minus.
Thompson's at +4.35 by BasketballValue.com's calculations, which is near Kobe Bryant, Ron Artest, Marcus Camby and Luol Deng. Brad Miller actually makes a Top 50 appearance in two-year adjusted plus-minus, based mostly on the strength of his 2007-08 performance. BV seems to differ a bit from Morey's work -- Battier is rated lower on BV than Morey indicates he is in Houston's system. But the general structure and results seem similar. This means that Thompson has a real impact beyond his points and rebounds.
Here's a passage from Lewis' story:
[I]f you want to know a player’s value as a rebounder, you need to know not whether he got a rebound but the likelihood of the team getting the rebound when a missed shot enters that player’s zone.
We don't have publically accessible zone rebounding data. But we do have on-off rebounding data. So we know through box scores that Thompson is the team's best rebounder. Does he also help the team as a whole rebound better?
Yep. BV's data shows that the team's offensive rebound percentage increases from 26.1% to 29.4% when Shock is on the floor. The team's defensive rebound percentage increases from 65.2% to 69.9% with Thompson playing. Both boosts are among the league's best (#13 on defense, top 25 on offense). As this is adjusted for teammates and opponents, Mikki Moore shouldn't have much impact in these figures.
There's one last thing to address here: scoring efficiency. As Kevin Martin fans, we know all about the importance of shooting efficiency vs. scoring numbers. The average NBA player scores 1.08 points per shot attempt this season. (A shot attempt is a FGA or a pair of FTAs.) The Kings average 1.07. Martin averages 1.18. Salmons: 1.15. Thompson is at 1.08, or average.
Al Jefferson, near All-Star power forward: 1.06.
Look at the shot charts for Jefferson and Thompson.
Jefferson has cleaner post moves and finishes better at the rim. But only about 60% of Jefferson's FGAs came around the rim. For Thompson, 70% of his shots have come at the rim. Close-prox shots will always be the most efficient for a big man without three-point range. Seeing more shots there with good efficiency (50% and up is good; obviously some get up to 60%, though) is a boon.
Jefferson has always used up more possessions than Thompson has this year, though. Al has always been a rock, even when he played few minutes. To be an offensive stud (which the Kings need him to be right now), Shock needs to take more shots, have his number called more frequently. And when he gets those shots, we assume a greater share might come from 15-18 feet -- it's just a reality. Look at how efficient his long jumper has been -- better than 50%. Jefferson has a murderous elbow jumper ... and Thompson's is already better (with the usual caveat regarding sample size). J.T. can pick up an extra few shots a game and likely maintain his efficiency ... even without the personal growth we all expect.
But just taking more shots won't make Thompson the Next Jefferson -- Al is a better defensive rebounder (though Shock has a bigger on-off team impact this season), shot-blocker (though neither is great shakes), and a FAR better ball-handler (Jefferson's low turnover rate is amazing). If Jefferson's a lesser Elton Brand, and Thompson's a lesser Jefferson, than Thompson's a lesser lesser Elton Brand. Right now. Today.
I know Shock will clean up those turnovers. (Chris Webber improved in this category immensely under Pete Carril.) You know his rim efficiency will improve (as his left hand couldn't get worse). His defense should improve as he figures out how not to foul, and his defensive rebounding might get a bump from better box-out technique. And plus-minus shows us that without all that improvement he's one of the league's 50 most impactful players.
I am so fricking excited about Shock Thompson.
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Enjoyed the read TZ
and the follow up on the Michael Lewis NY Times article.
The BV numbers are an interesting tool. Full of surprises isn’t it? Kobe Bryant 47th. Bossy Telfair, Flip Murray, Jeff Foster, rookie Nicolas Batum, VladRad for those lesser paid lesser “appreciated” names. There are enough cliches about statistics that don’t bear repeating. Of course, blending the art with the science is the key to being a successful GM. And luck don’t hurt either.
One has to assume that all GMs have these, and other more individual formulas, at their disposal. Do you ever see a time where players are paid more directly for their “basketball value”? (i.e. VladRad’s agent wanting to negotiae or even re-negotiate terms on his BV or else?)
BTW – I didn’t see Tyson Chandler’s name on there.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 15, 2009 10:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
My first reaction to that article...
Was “When does Shane Battier retire, and how do we lock him in as our coach/gm?”
by Citadel 29 on Feb 16, 2009 5:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great read Ziller
I also love shock as a person and a player, he is such a professional I can’t wait to see him play next to STAT (yeah right). I agree that he should definitely be getting a lot more post touches so he can learn to calm down his game.
One question though, how does he fare against the other rookies? Another, how on earth did he not play in the rookies vs. sophomores game?
by Ultrakingsfan on Feb 15, 2009 10:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
and also...
do these adjusted +/- have anything to do with your teams suckatude?
by Ultrakingsfan on Feb 15, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A few thoughts
- I’m not so sure about BV’s Adjusted +/-. Anything listing Sebastian Telfair in it’s Top 50 worries me.
- I’m also not so sure about Al Jefferson being a lesser Elton Brand. Al’s 24, while Brand’s 29. Also, Brand’s numbers when he was 24 were actually slightly worse than Al’s. I think Al Jefferson might be a better Elton Brand.
- The idea of Shock being comparable to Elton Brand makes me think dirty thoughts
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by vfettke on Feb 15, 2009 10:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great read
What stood out to me most was the intangibles—that what even the above-average fan (or ESPN analyst for that matter) sees, is often not what is really going on. It’s like we are watching the game, but not really “seeing” the game. We see Kobe shoot a three pointer to win the game and say, “Our defense sucked there.” Instead of saying that was exactly the shot we wanted him to take.
As much as I’ve questioned some of GP’s moves, he seems to be one of the GMs who understands a player’s value better than the talking heads. He seems to recognize talent where other people miss it. Although his recignition is almost always better offensive players than people expect them to be. Does he have the ability to recognize the better defensive players as well?
Another point was the coach/GM relationship. He mentions that the previous Rockets coach told Shane to shoot more. The great thing about Rick is that he doesn’t try to change a player’s game as much as using their strengths in the best possible way. I wasn’t pushing for Theus to get fired, but I do wonder if he has too much ego to let a player do what he does best. From what I’ve seen, Natt doesn’t seem to be any better at this. No coach can make a player what he is not, but I think the coachs that regularly have winning percentages see the game in a different way as well.
Lots to chew on.
"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke
by SavageBeast on Feb 15, 2009 12:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited about JT also but...
Jefferson is so much more polished than him right now its hard to compare. So many of JT’s looks right now are put-backs, transition dunks or the result of good player movement or passing where he has an advantage at the rim.
Jefferson is completely different. He is a proto-typical post player, he sets up on the block and does his thing. If you double team he makes good decisions (low TO rate), if you don’t he uses one of the best, most-polished sets of post moves in the NBA right now to try to beat you.
When JT catches the ball in the post right now, do you actually expect (not hope) something good is going to happen? Of course we all like to see JT get those chances because we are rooting for his development, but today, JT’s lack of polish and complete lack of a left hand keep him from being nearly the set piece offensive force that Jefferson is.
I am so eager to see JT next year, after a summer of coaching and strength development. If he can add strength and a left-hand to go with the dynamic hustle/skill/athleticism package he already has we’re going to be really happy to have him. I just don’t know if I see him as being the Brand/Jefferson throw it in to the post guy, but I have hopes like everyone.
by ForThree on Feb 15, 2009 12:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
martin, thompson, and our need for a point guard
great stuff tz. however everytime i read this website i really find it to hard to see why martin is considered so good and gets a lot of free passes. martin is not kobe, james, wade, paul or d williams. these guys do not let their team lose by 20-45 points on their home floor. they take control of the game and ball and get it done. losing by 20-45 points on your home floor has happened way to many times on martin’s watch. though martin is very efficient scorer, in no way does he play defense, rebound, or create assists. in fact, if scoring, rebounding, assists, and defense are how a player is to be graded, martin does one of the four well. the noted players above do 2-3-4 of the 4 well. i found it interesting that the scoring efficiency ratings of salmons and martin are pretty close. salmon’s 1.15 to martin’s 1.18. salmons does this and at the same time has to guard the kobes, lebrons, and roys of the world and sometimes he shuts them down. so why this insistence sometimes that we should move salmons. that means we have beno, kevin, and whoever else at the 3 guarding the other team’s players. you think our defense sucks now, imagine life without salmons and who guards the other team’s superstar, because without salmons, we have nobody. right now our biggest need is a point guard. bayless’s name keeps coming up. if petrie is convinced bayless plays defense and distributes, go get him. what if rubio does not come out?? what if our ping pong ball drops lower than we hope and any body we want is gone. do we want beno next year as your starting point guard?? i don’t. to backtrack i put martin slightly above salmons, but nowhere near kobe, lebron, and paul. therefore i am willing to put martin in a deal if we can improve our point guard position and our defense. here is my proposed deal. martin/miller/thomas (1 million in cash goes along with them, if houston’s pick is needed so be it) to portland for pryz, raef’s contract, bayless, and rudy f. we clear out miller and thomas contracts, we get a quality back up center, we get rudy off of the bench or starting at shooting guard/small forward, and we get our point guard of the future. not only that we keep our top draftpick for next year and we keep shock and hawes. as many of you know you can’t trade crap and get back icecream. you want quality, you have to give up some quality. any opinions. to me, thompson represents more of the future than martin does. not only that, martin misses 15-20 games a year. i almost starting calling him k-mac. any opinions??
by noreboundsnorings on Feb 15, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We heard the first time and it got deleted for trolling
So please stop… like…. now!
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
by eduardo_m7 on Feb 15, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that button labeled Shift
If you push that down while pushing another key, it will CAPITALIZE that letter. In doing so, you make your post much easier to read.
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by section214 on Feb 15, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not going to criticize
I’ve done much worse, more often. Don’t go throwing stones when you live in glass houses…..
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 15, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no glass
down here in TZ’s basement, so n’yah.
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by section214 on Feb 15, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 15, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt tough to read
But he raises some good points that are hard to argue with and even proposes a trade.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 15, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good points? or does he just mirror your point of view.
We get it, you want to trade Martin. I would like to see what Martin can do with a complementary cast, not a group of MLE washouts and mid-twenties picks. Beno Udrih was a waived at the beginning of last year after being traded for a second round pick. Brown, Thompson and Greene are rookies (Brown was undrafted as were Miller and Moore), Hawes is a second year guy and the highest pick on the roster not named Sheldon Williams at the #10 pick. Bobby Jackson, Brad Miller and Kenny Thomas are washed up, Mikki Moore was never any good and certainly not an NBA starter. Salmons is averaging nearly 12 points a game more than his career average of 7.1 coming into this season. Francisco is a 6 man at best and Douby/Williams aren’t worth discussing.
Kobe has Gasol- All-Star. 3rd pick in the draft and Spanish Olympiad, Bynum- future All-Star (when healthy), Odom- Olympic team player, former 4th pick in the draft, a playoff veteran in Fischer and a bunch of role players.
LaBron? First pick in the f-ing draft, surrounded by Z, an All-Star in Williams, role players in Ben Wallace (4 time defensive player of the year and 4 time All-Star)and Wally- former 6th pick in the draft (both of which were good enough to warrant 10+ million a year at some point) and a whole bunch of shooter.
CP-3- West? 2 time All-Star. Peja- former All-Star 3 times over and still one of the biggest perimeter threats in the game. Chandler? 2nd pick in the draft, star rebounder and defensive player.
Come on CC, Martin has Sheldon Williams as his only teammate picked earlier than #10 in the draft and he is one of the biggest busts ever. Miller- 2 time All-Star….back in 02-03 and 03-04 seasons and now he has trouble with guys like Andre Blatche. Surrounded by junk and he is now playing for his 4th and soon to be 5th head coach in 4.5 seasons. Give Martin a guy like Amaré or another major power player and let’s see what he can do.
Taking the side of a troll only makes you look like one too when the dudes points clearly have no validity. During the single longest paragraph in history telling everyone how shitty Martin is, your boy makes this statement:
as many of you know you can’t trade crap and get back icecream.
which basically defies the rest of the content in his post. If Martin is “icecream” then what exactly is icecream because according to this guy:
though martin is very efficient scorer, in no way does he play defense, rebound, or create assists. in fact, if scoring, rebounding, assists, and defense are how a player is to be graded, martin does one of the four well.
Come on CC- don’t be fooled by a run-on paragraph and shady capitalization.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Feb 15, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
You get a rec'd my friend
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
by eduardo_m7 on Feb 15, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"No Validity"
Taking the side of a troll only makes you look like one too when the dudes points clearly have no validity.
And a response like that gives your post no validity.
Answer what he points out by showing how he is wrong, and maybe you have something. But all you are doing is bashing him for his punctuation, calling him names because you disagree with him and taking his comments out of context.
He didn’t call Martin ice cream. He said you have to deal good players to get good players. Then he included Martin in a proposed deal that probably wouldn’t fly, but was worth thinking about anyway. In terms of ice cream I think he was talking more about some of the trades that have been proposed on this board that offer crap for guys like Amare.
Your block quote on Martin sums it up well. Martin is a very effiicient scorer, but has weaknesses across the board in the rest of his game. Feel free to point out what you feel are his strengths in any other area besides scoring the ball, and believe me, I regard that as a major skill.
It’s too bad Petrie has allowed the roster to become the joke of the league, but that’s where we are at. If you read my Amare ideas, you’ll see that I am more interested in pairing Martin with a stud as you propose than in giving him away. But I don’t consider him untouchable if the right deal comes up after July.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little lost.
Answer what he points out by showing how he is wrong, and maybe you have something.
I spent 5 paragraphs explaining why you can’t compare Martin to Kobe, LaBron and Paul. I’m not really sure how you missed that. I also only brought up his formatting issues in the last line of a full page post. And lastly, the guy proposed a trade including Martin because he was the “icecream” required to get “icecream” back in trade.
As for Martin’s strengths and weaknesses, the point to my post is that you really can’t gauge his skill level because he is surrounded by marginal NBA talent. If you gave Martin a truly consistent three point shooter on the wing or a power player that required a double team maybe his assist numbers would improve. How many of Chris Paul’s assists each game come on an ally-oop to Chandler of a catch and shoot three from Peja? Besides the fact that Paul is a point guard he get 3 or 4 assists at a minimum from those two plays. If you gave Martin a defense behind him that rotated properly and had anyone who guarded the rim, maybe his defense would look a little better. You shouldn’t judge Martin on his deficiencies when he has little to no help at this point to repair those deficiencies. Martin is an easy target because he is the Kings best player but the dude is on an island both offensively and defensively most of the time.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Feb 16, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're rationalizing
You shouldn’t judge Martin on his deficiencies when he has little to no help at this point to repair those deficiencies.
This is incredibly weak. Let’s just say he has limitations in every area but scoring that would be better masked with a better supporting cast. It would probably also help if he wasn’t called on to perform the really tough tasks, like throw the ball in from the sidelines without turning it over.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't you want to trade a player
you think can’t inbound the ball from the sidelines without turning it over?
Honestly CC, sometimes you have interesting opinions, but your trolling skills have gone way down recently. You can’t even keep from contradicting yourself in the same thread now? I expect more from the sites #1 contrarian.
How is Martin simultaneously not able to inbound the ball and be part of a better squad? Pro basketball players that make $50mil+ should be able to inbound the ball successfully, no?
by ForThree on Feb 16, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he can't inbound the ball
I’ve seen him throw it away in the clutch more than once, and if you watch the games, so have you.
But since he can’t do it well but can score well, you have someone else toss in the ball.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of those inbounds was a great play by the defender.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Feb 16, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
While we're at it
Let’s correct another one of your assumptions:
We get it, you want to trade Martin.
I am not against trading Martin when his restrictions come off and if it brings back players who will make the Kings better. But he can also be part of a better squad for some of the reasons you mentioned. Let’s keep an open mind.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how you twist arguments
Then you accuse others of doing exactly that. You must be the Hugh Hefner of Norcal CC.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You'd have to show me
where I twisted that argument.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I could show you
And you would argue your point further. You’re like All-Star weekend: Ignoring you for whole days at a time is always worth it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Add another pointless post
to the other 16,000.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Add this one to the pile
I’m tired of doing your heavy lifting. My back is tired of carrying your contrarian attitudes.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You were trying to trade Martin last year right after he signed his extension.
If I had a nickle for every time you proposed a Martin trade and Pookey had to explained to you again how it wouldn’t work, I would be a rich man. You can’t give an argument on this particular subject that isn’t tainted by your ridiculous year long drum beating. Trading your best and one of your only assets that is locked up long term at a reasonable salary doesn’t make sense on a million different levels. Think of the fan backlash if the Maloofs/GP dealt Martin for Fernandez and Bayless. Not only is that a bad PR move but it really doesn’t make your team better, Fernandez is a 6 man and Bayless may become a point but he looks more like a combo guard. So you deal your best asset in Martin for the 6th and 7th guys in your rotation and that is just bad business.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Feb 16, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want 8 % of a peso from this income
For the rest of my life.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if you split 3% or your 8% with Larry Coon.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Feb 16, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will have to donate it to a charity
Mr Coon has mentioned he won’t take money for his gift of gold.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd probably make more
Counting posts where I gave a balanced assessment of Kevin’s strengths and weaknesses and you or one of the other Kevinites took my comments out of context and said, “Aha, so you want to trade him!” Kind of like above.
What’s interesting is how a lot of the disciples have started to fall off the wagon and hedge their own assessments of his abilities. I guess an 11-43 ballclub can make even the most fervent follower waver.
Kevin has great offensive skills as long as the game isn’t on the line, but that’s about it. Yes, such a player is useful if you have a defensive-minded center to clean up the messes. Yes, such a player is great when surrounded by truly great, all-around players. We’re far from that club now, though, and we might never get there.
At some point, we might have to face the music and consider trading our less-than-perfect chip when the restrictions come off. In any case, we should listen to all relevant offers to improve the team.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 16, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just use your mouse to highlight 3 lines at a time, read the line above then the three highlighted and then the line below, skip a line, highlight the next three, read the one above, read the three highlighted, read the one below, and repeat as necessary. A wall of words isnt ideal but cmon, is it that bad to inspire the above.
by passionforPERPS on Feb 15, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give it a try
Thanks for the tip.
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by section214 on Feb 15, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My take on this "wall of words"
martin, thompson, and our need for a point guard great stuff tz. however everytime i read this website i really find it to hard to see why martin is considered so good and gets a lot of free passes. martin is not kobe, james, wade, paul or d williams. these guys do not let their team lose by 20-45 points on their home floor. they take control of the game and ball and get it done. losing by 20-45 points on your home floor has happened way to many times on martin’s watch. (It makes a difference if Speed is actually playing isn’t it?
though martin is very efficient scorer, in no way does he play defense, rebound, or create assists. (In fact, there are 81 times where 82games.com disagree’s with the fact creates assists. What’s 81 times 81 times? How much wood does a woodchuck chuck?) in fact, if scoring, rebounding, assists, and defense are how a player is to be graded, martin does one of the four well. the noted players above do 2-3-4 of the 4 well. i found it interesting that the scoring efficiency ratings of salmons and martin are pretty close. salmon’s 1.15 to martin’s 1.18. salmons does this and at the same time has to guard the kobes, lebrons, and roys of the world and sometimes he shuts them down. so why this insistence sometimes that we should move salmons. that means we have beno, kevin, and whoever else at the 3 guarding the other team’s players. you think our defense sucks now, imagine life without salmons and who guards the other team’s superstar, because without salmons, we have nobody. (That’s right. The Kings couldn’t finish 30th overall in defense without John Salmons. There’s just no way that’s possible. Especially when they’re 30th in defense now, WITH John Salmons.) right now our biggest need is a point guard. bayless’s name keeps coming up. if petrie is convinced bayless plays defense and distributes, go get him. (That’s right. Because Portland isn’t interested in what Bayless has to offer, being that he’s all of 19 years old. Noooooo, all teams are just waiting to give up lottery picks with potential just because fools without punctuation, or sense, think so.) what if rubio does not come out?? (The world will fall of it’s axis. Next.) what if our ping pong ball drops lower than we hope and any body we want is gone. (We’re screwed if that happens. This team badly needs the first overall pick.) do we want beno next year as your starting point guard?? (No, but Chris Paul isn’t available to start next year either. Beno’s better than he’s been playing, but how much better? Nobody knows that.)
i don’t. to backtrack i put martin slightly above salmons, but nowhere near kobe, lebron, and paul. (That’s right. Because TZ, and Section often say, why isn’t Speed mentioned in the same breath as LeBron? You know that’s really irritating. Speed is just as good as LeBron. I just KNOOOWWWWW he is.) therefore i am willing to put martin in a deal (good luck with that) if we can improve our point guard position and our defense. here is my proposed deal.
martin/miller/thomas (1 million in cash goes along with them, if houston’s pick is needed so be it) to portland for pryz, raef’s contract, bayless, and rudy f. (I’m actually shocked this worked on the trade machine—oh how espn makes it too easy to propose trades)we clear out miller and thomas contracts, we get a quality back up center, we get rudy off of the bench or starting at shooting guard/small forward, and we get our point guard of the future. not only that we keep our top draftpick for next year and we keep shock and hawes. as many of you know you can’t trade crap and get back icecream. (Oh that’s right. I just said that to my mom yesterday, in between when she wasn’t pissed off about Kevin Johnson taking’s Sacramento’s Oldest School and turning it into more of a disgrace than it already was. If you graduated from Sac High, and I did, that’s saying something. Trust me. Oh, about the ice cream from shit analogy. Umm, my only question is this: How much salt is in this shit?) you want quality, you have to give up some quality. any opinions. to me, thompson represents more of the future than martin does. not only that, martin misses 15-20 games a year. i almost starting calling him k-mac. any opinions?? (My opinion is you need to learn how to use punctuation, grammar, and sentence structure. This is coming from a guy whose English teacher told me I use too many comma’s on my last paper. Dude, you suck at this. Try it again. Thanks—those of use who don’t wanna wear glasses before we’re 35 committee)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 15, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not reading either wall of words
but Pookey, you’re a dick for writing your reply like that! Hehe
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by vfettke on Feb 15, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I should have written my responses in bold
Sorry.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you've done it...
My head has exploded trying to follow that.
by chri5 on Feb 15, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The rest of the team
Here’s the same stats for the whole team.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 15, 2009 12:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Donté our best defensive player?
I guess the small sample size rule still applies.
But this is great stuff. It is so tough to statistically quantify the defensive contributions of a player, as well as the “little things” like setting screens and boxing out. This at least addresses that to some extent. It joins PER as one of my favorite measuring sticks.
Thanks for the read, TZ. And thanks for the (added to my favorites) link, CC.
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by section214 on Feb 15, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I found the chart less than informative
Section, could you or CC, interpet it for us. All I see is that the reserves do worse than the starters, and the guy who plays the most has the worst numbers among the starter. Also, Martins presence in the game has little to no impact. I’m I missing something or am I wrong?
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 15, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For a bad team Speed is less valuable
For a very good team he is more valuable. That’s really the point.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't make sense to me.
The most valuable player on a bad time isn’t as valueable as he would be on a good team? These numbers say that Martin & Cisco are some of the worst players on the team. Well, the chart has Martin with a negative 2.2 adjusted +/-, and a overall rtg of .5 because the defense gives up as many pts when he’s on the court as he adds to the offense when he’s playing. Do you believe that his defense is so bad that the pts he gives up playing defense negate his offense? I don’t.
Ok, his +/- is a negative because he’s on a bad team, I can see that. But the chart says that Beno has a positive +/- and the team scores more and gives up less with him on the floor than when Martins’ playing. Does anyone believe that? And, Cisco is the 2nd worst on the team.
The only thing I can derive from this data is that the reserves aren’t as good as the starters, and the starters aren’t that good. And, the players that play the most on a losing team, will have the lowest +/-. Other than that, I don’t see the data as being representative of any individual players performance.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 16, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you missed my point
I was talking about Speed’s efficiency on a bad team doesn’t mean much when there isn’t reliable scoring elsewhere on the team.
On a better team, being able to score lots of points without the shots is a valuable asset to have.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 17, 2009 3:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I can't completely buy this stat
because it seems so out of whack with direct observation.
In theory, adjusted plus/minus takes into account who a person is playing against and who they are playing with correct?
Some things jump out at you when you look at these stats, for one John Salmons has the worst defensive rating on the team to the tune of a 7.66 Def. Rating. Its generally accepted here though that Salmons is our best defensive player though.
Are our observations that out of whack? Does anyone think if we let someone other than Salmons defend the opponent’s best player our defense would actually improve?
I appreciate coolcat bringing it to us, and who knows maybe this stat actually is good, but the findings of this stat are so out of line with our observations its hard for me to put a lot of stock in it, unless we can figure out some explanations for its strange results.
by ForThree on Feb 15, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Ziller brought it forth. I just brought the local numbers to light.
My guess on Salmons is since he is covering the best player, he should get torched the worst, even if he holds someone like Kobe to 23 points on 25 shots. But the numbers are supposed to reflect the whole team’s play while that player is in the game.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 15, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to separate
the messengers (Ziller and you) from the statistic. Its plausible for both of you guys to bring us these numbers, no fault there. I’m saying, after reviewing them, I don’t buy that they represent what they claim to.
Sorry, but this type of analysis is what I do for a living (not for basketball professionally of course), so it interests me. And all I am trying to say is I can’t understand how these numbers diverge so much from my observations.
Either:
a) there’s a flaw in the math (highly unlikely)
b) our observations are extremely flawed (certainly possible)
c) I am misunderstanding the metric (definitely possible)
or
d) the metric isn’t giving us good information for our circumstances
I guess I can’t figure out how its not d personally, while acknowledging the other possibilities.
by ForThree on Feb 15, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
leverage...
I think a big part of the problem with these stats is that they are not taking the situational leverage into account. We know that in the NBA the score and time remaining has a huge impact on how the game is played, and this metric doesn’t appear to take that into account.
Watching the game, we understand how the leverage of a situation plays a role, and we give it more value. That is why we know the dominant players are dominant, they perform when in the big situations.
I’m not referring to them as clutch, simply that in close games teams run plays for their best players. (Except Theus…go Douby!) Their performance, and the mere choice by the coach to call on them, provides some value as to their skill level and importance.
That being said, I think the development of a +/- with a leverage component would be very valuable. Far more so than something like Winshares, which I abhor.
by chri5 on Feb 15, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with this
Time on the clock is probably the greatest factor in the NBA than any other sport. More so than the NFL or the NHL.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus/minus
I like the use of the plus minus to evaluate a player’s efficiency, but I have always wondered if it takes into account the fact that a bench player is often playing against another team’s bench. If they were playing against starters, I think some of those plus marks turn into minus marks. Am I wrong?
by newkings on Feb 15, 2009 2:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
It’s adjusted plus-minus. Raw plus-minus is a weak metric on its own, but adjusted plus-minus accounts for the strength of teammates and opponents. In the past, Dan Rosenbaum (an adviser for the Cavs) has done heavy accounting for garbage time, as well. I’m not aware that BV does this.
In BV’s glossary, there are links to two 82games.com articles which explain adjusted plus-minus in great detail.
by Ziller on Feb 15, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My response
Sorry guys. I am new at this. I do not know what trolling is, that is why I rewrote it. I did not think I had to write an english paper to appear on this website. I still stand by my thoughts. I will try to do better next time. Please tell section 214 I did not reconize him without his sandals and robe or is that Kevin Martin?
by noreboundsnorings on Feb 15, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Four responses and you choose me?
I’m flattered, though I’m not sure that I understand what Kevin Martin has to do with it.
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by section214 on Feb 15, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a wild guess, but...
He thinks you both think you’re Jesus?
I didn’t know KMart’s Jewish, too.
Coming to you live from the land of interim coaches.
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 15, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You pick on me cuz my grammar sucks & I use too many comma's
You pick on Section cuz he’s a Jew. Next you’re going to pick on SB cuz he’s from NorCal. This is just never ending.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't pick on anyone
Particularly SB.
He knows where I sleep.
Coming to you live from the land of interim coaches.
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 16, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Suuuuuurrreeeeeeeeeeeeeee
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have to write an English paper
that’s Pookey’s job. But, some basic writing skills would help. When you write one long paragraph it’s really hard to read and hurts the eyes. Generally that’ll get your post skipped. It might be some great insight, but I wouldn’t know because I refuse to read it. Just keep that in mind when posting here. Otherwise you’re just writing to write and no one will read it
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by vfettke on Feb 15, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clarifications
Trolling = Coming on to a website and posting things to start a fight or otherwise be offensive.
Section214 = One of the guys who run the site.
Proper use of capitalization, making shorter paragraphs = courtesy and readability.
Coming to you live from the land of interim coaches.
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 15, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not one who runs this site -
I am just a shepherd…
(Sorry, couldn’t resist.)
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by section214 on Feb 15, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's what SHEEP said!
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Feb 15, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow
There could be only one response to that…
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by section214 on Feb 16, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I love rimshots!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get too demoralized
I appreciate the fact that you took time to write an opinion. There are quite a few old timers on this site that get perturbed easily. Brush it off like a grain of salt and continue to post.
by nothingbutnet on Feb 15, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/Shakes fist at nothingbutnet
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 15, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's another sort
by total minutes played, so you get a better look at some of the top players and their rankings. Amare shows up on this list, and it is interesting that Salmons is third in the league in minutes played.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 15, 2009 2:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great Stuff TZ
I’m also excited about Shock. I think he could be Antonio McDyess, before the injuries. That’s pretty good.
by Aykis16 on Feb 15, 2009 2:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Team Rankings
Interesting power shift to the East at the top. Big dropoff after the top 4.
1. Cleveland 10.87
2. Boston 9.81
3. Orlando 9.16
4. LA Lakers 8.16
5. Portland 4.37
6. Denver 3.98
7. San Antonio 3.67
8. New Orleans 2.99
9. Utah 2.69
10. Houston 2.48
11. Atlanta 2.07
12. Dallas 1.20
13. Phoenix 0.99
13. Philly 0.99
15. Milw 0.40
16. Miami 0.30
17. Detroit 0.04
18. Chicago -1.54
19. NJ Nets -1.87
20. Charlotte -1.96
21. NY KNicks -2.16
22. Indiana -2.19
23. Toronto -3.02
24. Golden State -3.88
25. Minnesota -4.15
26. Memphis -6.20
27. OK City -6.42
28. LA Clippers -8.30
29. Washington -8.63
30. Sacramento -10.52
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 15, 2009 2:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm lost
What do the numbers next to them mean? If I had to take a guess, is it margin of victory? Final Answer.
by Aykis16 on Feb 15, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's the team's cumulative +/-
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 15, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
League-Wide Player Rankings
I copied every NBA player to Excel and deleted the guys with no minutes or +/- numbers. I then combined minutes played rank and +/- rank into a combined number. Here’s the list:
Rank Teams Player
1 PHI Iguodala, Andre
2 MIA Wade, Dwayne
3 CLE James, LeBron
4 ORL Lewis, Rashard
5 TOR Bosh, Chris
6 MIN Foye, Randy
7 POR Aldridge, LaMarcus
8 ATL Johnson, Joe
9 WAS Jamison, Antawn
10 DAL Kidd, Jason
11 DAL Nowitzki, Dirk
12 DEN Hilario, Nene
13 NJN Carter, Vince
14 LAL Gasol, Pau
15 BOS Allen, Ray
16 SAS Duncan, Tim
17 IND Granger, Danny
18 NOH Paul, Chris
19 OKC Westbrook, Russell
20 PHI Young, Thaddeus
21 ORL Turkoglu, Hedo
22 BOS Garnett, Kevin
23 PHX Nash, Steve
24 LAL Bryant, Kobe
25 DET Wallace, Rasheed
26 UTA Millsap, Paul
27 DET Prince, Tayshaun
28 HOU Ming, Yao
29 POR Roy, Brandon
30 ORL Howard, Dwight
31 CHA Okafor, Emeka
32 CHI Rose, Derrick
33 NJN Harris, Devin
34 LAL Odom, Lamar
35 NOH Stojakovic, Peja
36 BOS Pierce, Paul
37 ATL Smith, Josh
38 PHX Hill, Grant
39 TOR Moon, Jamario
40 DEN Martin, Kenyon
41 CHA, PHX Diaw, Boris
42 MEM Gasol, Marc
43 LAC Camby, Marcus
44 CHA Wallace, Gerald
45 MIL Sessions, Ramon
46 MIN Jefferson, Al
47 DEN, DET Billups, Chauncey
48 POR Fernandez, Rudy
49 CHI Deng, Luol
50 SAC Thompson, Jason
51 SAC Miller, Brad
52 CHA Felton, Raymond
53 DAL Terry, Jason
54 WAS Butler, Caron
55 OKC Green, Jeff
56 LAL Bynum, Andrew
57 MIA Marion, Shawn
58 TOR Parker, Anthony
59 SAS Bonner, Matt
60 GSW, NYK Harrington, Al
61 BOS Rondo, Rajon
62 IND Foster, Jeff
63 CLE Williams, Mo
64 UTA Kirilenko, Andrei
65 HOU Artest, Ron
66 MIL Jefferson, Richard
67 UTA Okur, Mehmet
68 MIN Telfair, Sebastian
69 DEN Smith, J.R.
70 MIL Ridnour, Luke
71 MIL Mbah a Moute, Luc
72 GSW Biedrins, Andris
73 UTA Williams, Deron
74 ATL Murray, Ronald (Flip)
75 NYK Richardson, Quentin
76 NYK Lee, David
77 LAC Gordon, Eric
78 NOH West, David
79 CHI Nocioni, Andres
80 SAC Udrih, Beno
81 NYK Duhon, Chris
82 MIL Redd, Michael
83 DEN Anthony, Carmelo
84 GSW Turiaf, Ronny
85 CLE West, Delonte
86 HOU Battier, Shane
87 CLE Gibson, Daniel
88 PHX O’Neal, Shaquille
89 CHI Gordon, Ben
90 ATL Bibby, Mike
91 LAL Ariza, Trevor
92 MEM Mayo, O.J.
93 LAC Davis, Baron
94 OKC Watson, Earl
95 CHA Augustin, D.J.
96 MEM Conley, Mike
97 MIA Chalmers, Mario
98 GSW, NYK Crawford, Jamal
99 ORL Nelson, Jameer
100 CHI Noah, Joakim
101 NJN Hayes, Jarvis
102 LAC, NYK Randolph, Zach
103 NOH Posey, James
104 HOU McGrady, Tracy
105 POR Batum, Nicolas
106 SAS Ginobili, Manu
107 ORL Lee, Courtney
108 WAS Young, Nick
109 GSW Jackson, Stephen
110 DEN, DET Iverson, Allen
111 CHA, PHX Bell, Raja
112 IND Ford, T.J.
113 NYK Robinson, Nate
114 IND Jack, Jarrett
115 IND Daniels, Marquis
116 CHA, PHX Richardson, Jason
117 NYK Chandler, Wilson
118 MEM Gay, Rudy
119 NJN Anderson, Ryan
120 ATL Pachulia, Zaza
121 PHX Stoudemire, Amare
122 LAC Thornton, Al
123 CHA, LAL Radmanovic, Vladimir
124 MIA Cook, Daequan
125 HOU Scola, Luis
126 LAC, NYK Collins, Mardy
127 BOS Powe, Leon
128 WAS Blatche, Andray
129 LAC, NYK Thomas, Tim
130 MEM Milicic, Darko
131 NJN Jianlian, Yi
132 TOR Graham, Joey
133 DET Johnson, Amir
134 MIL Villanueva, Charlie
135 SAS Thomas, Kurt
136 DEN Andersen, Chris
137 HOU Wafer, Von
138 WAS Songaila, Darius
139 DAL Howard, Josh
140 NJN Lopez, Brook
141 IND Murphy, Troy
142 POR Outlaw, Travis
143 BOS Allen, Tony
144 ATL Williams, Marvin
145 UTA Brewer, Ronnie
146 GSW Morrow, Anthony
147 PHI Dalembert, Samuel
148 OKC Durant, Kevin
149 SAC Salmons, John
150 SAC Jackson, Bobby
151 MIA Haslem, Udonis
152 CLE Szczerbiak, Wally
153 SAS Udoka, Ime
154 OKC Mason, Desmond
155 CLE Wallace, Ben
156 SAS Mason, Roger
157 MEM Warrick, Hakim
158 GSW Maggette, Corey
159 POR Blake, Steve
160 ORL Battie, Tony
161 DET Hamilton, Richard
162 MIL Bogut, Andrew
163 IND Nesterovic, Rasho
164 CHA, DAL Hollins, Ryan
165 SAC Moore, Mikki
166 HOU Alston, Rafer
167 GSW Watson, C.J.
168 TOR Bargnani, Andrea
169 SAC Martin, Kevin
170 DET Stuckey, Rodney
171 CHI Hinrich, Kirk
172 IND Graham, Stephen
173 MIA Quinn, Chris
174 TOR Calderon, Jose
175 GSW Ellis, Monta
176 GSW Azubuike, Kelenna
177 DAL Bass, Brandon
178 PHI Speights, Marreese
179 DET Afflalo, Arron
180 NYK Gallinari, Danilo
181 DEN, DET McDyess, Antonio
182 PHX Barnes, Matt
183 DAL Dampier, Erick
184 SAS Parker, Tony
185 PHI Miller, Andre
186 MIN Miller, Mike
187 SAS Finley, Michael
188 PHI Green, Willie
189 TOR Kapono, Jason
190 CLE Pavlovic, Sasha
191 UTA Miles, C.J.
192 OKC Collison, Nick
193 TOR O’Neal, Jermaine
194 PHX, WAS Brown, Dee
195 IND Hibbert, Roy
196 OKC Weaver, Kyle
197 MEM Jaric, Marko
198 NJN Simmons, Bobby
199 LAL Walton, Luke
200 CHI Thomas, Tyrus
201 MIN Gomes, Ryan
202 HOU Hayes, Chuck
203 ATL Evans, Maurice
204 MIN Carney, Rodney
205 SAS Bowen, Bruce
206 DET Brown, Kwame
207 CLE Varejao, Anderson
208 MIL Bell, Charlie
209 BOS Perkins, Kendrick
210 UTA Knight, Brevin
211 DEN Carter, Anthony
212 SAS Oberto, Fabricio
213 GSW Belinelli, Marco
214 ATL Horford, Al
215 UTA Boozer, Carlos
216 GSW Wright, Brandan
217 LAL Fisher, Derek
218 MIL, ORL Bogans, Keith
219 UTA Collins, Jarron
220 CHI Gray, Aaron
221 SAC Hawes, Spencer
222 CHA, PHX Dudley, Jared
223 NOH Brown, Devin
224 BOS Scalabrine, Brian
225 UTA Korver, Kyle
226 MIA Beasley, Michael
227 TOR Voskuhl, Jake
228 OKC Wilcox, Chris
229 MEM Ross, Quinton
230 WAS Dixon, Juan
231 CLE Ilgauskas, Zydrunas
232 POR Przybilla, Joel
233 PHX Barbosa, Leandro
234 NJN Dooling, Keyon
235 CHA, DAL Diop, DeSagana
236 UTA Koufos, Kosta
237 MIA Magloire, Jamaal
238 DET Maxiell, Jason
239 LAL Vujacic, Sasha
240 HOU Barry, Brent
241 MEM Lowry, Kyle
242 HOU Landry, Carl
243 HOU Brooks, Aaron
244 NYK Jeffries, Jared
245 WAS Stevenson, DeShawn
246 BOS House, Eddie
247 MIN Love, Kevin
248 DEN Kleiza, Linas
249 NOH Butler, Rasual
250 MIN Cardinal, Brian
251 ORL Pietrus, Mickael
252 PHI Ratliff, Theo
253 LAC Jones, Fred
254 IND Dunleavy, Mike
255 PHI Brand, Elton
256 LAC Kaman, Chris
257 MIL, ORL Lue, Tyronn
258 POR Oden, Greg
259 CHI Sefolosha, Thabo
260 UTA Harpring, Matt
261 CHI Gooden, Drew
262 NYK Rose, Malik
263 DAL Singleton, James
264 SAC Garcia, Francisco
265 MIN Ollie, Kevin
266 PHI Williams, Louis
267 OKC Swift, Robert
268 SAC Williams, Shelden
269 LAC Davis, Ricky
270 CHI Hughes, Larry
271 DAL Barea, Jose
272 SAS Tolliver, Anthony
273 OKC Smith, Joe
274 DEN Balkman, Renaldo
275 PHI Evans, Reggie
276 NJN Douglas-Roberts, Chris
277 LAC Novak, Steve
278 NOH, WAS James, Mike
279 WAS McGuire, Dominic
280 UTA Price, Ronnie
281 PHX Amundson, Louis
282 SAC Greene, Donte
283 GSW Randolph, Anthony
284 SAS Hill, George
285 NJN Najera, Eduardo
286 POR Rodriguez, Sergio
287 MIA Jones, James
288 IND Diener, Travis
289 BOS Davis, Glen
290 MEM Arthur, Darrell
291 ORL Johnson, Anthony
292 MIN Smith, Craig
293 DAL Williams, Shawne
294 NOH Ely, Melvin
295 NOH Wright, Julian
296 MEM Buckner, Greg
297 MIL Allen, Malik
298 MIA Blount, Mark
299 LAC Mobley, Cuttino
300 IND Rush, Brandon
301 CHI Hunter, Lindsey
302 MIN McCants, Rashad
303 DEN Jones, Dahntay
304 NOH Chandler, Tyson
305 NJN Boone, Josh
306 NJN Hassell, Trenton
307 SAC Douby, Quincy
308 MIN Brewer, Corey
309 LAC Davis, Paul
310 ORL Redick, J.J.
311 ATL Jones, Solomon
312 MIA Anthony, Joel
313 NOH Peterson, Morris
314 NOH Armstrong, Hilton
315 DET Bynum, Will
316 NOH, WAS Daniels, Antonio
317 NOH Bowen, Ryan
318 MIL Elson, Francisco
319 MIA Diawara, Yakhouba
320 PHI Ivey, Royal
321 DAL Wright, Antoine
322 CHA Mohammed, Nazr
323 POR Bayless, Jerryd
324 CHA, LAL Morrison, Adam
325 POR Frye, Channing
326 MIL Gadzuric, Dan
327 MEM, WAS Crittenton, Javaris
328 TOR Ukic, Roko
329 OKC Krstic, Nenad
330 PHX Dragic, Goran
331 NJN Swift, Stromile
332 LAC Skinner, Brian
333 SAC Brown, Bobby
334 CHA, DAL Carroll, Matt
335 TOR Solomon, Willie
336 WAS McGee, JaVale
337 LAL Farmar, Jordan
338 DEN, OKC Petro, Johan
339 PHX Lopez, Robin
340 DAL George, Devean
341 LAC Jordan, DeAndre
342 MIA Wright, Dorell
343 OKC Wilkins, Damien
344 TOR Humphries, Kris
345 NOH Marks, Sean
346 CHA, LAL Brown, Shannon
347 MIL Alexander, Joe
348 GSW Williams, Marcus
349 CLE Hickson, J.J.
350 DET Herrmann, Walter
351 ORL Gortat, Marcin
352 PHI Rush, Kareem
353 LAC Taylor, Mike
354 CHA, DEN Howard, Juwan
355 ATL Law, Acie
356 POR Webster, Martell
357 HOU Head, Luther
358 MIN Collins, Jason
359 DEN, OKC Atkins, Chucky
360 LAL Powell, Josh
361 CHA, PHX Singletary, Sean
362 BOS Pruitt, Gabe
363 MIL Jones, Damon
364 WAS Thomas, Etan
365 UTA Almond, Morris
366 DAL Green, Gerald
367 LAC Hart, Jason
368 ORL Cook, Brian
369 NJN Williams, Sean
370 CHA May, Sean
371 NYK Roberson, Anthony
372 GSW Kurz, Rob
373 DAL Stackhouse, Jerry
374 SAS Vaughn, Jacque
375 WAS Pecherov, Oleksiy
376 MIA Banks, Marcus
377 NYK Curry, Eddy
Rank Teams Player
1 PHI Iguodala, Andre
2 MIA Wade, Dwayne
3 CLE James, LeBron
4 ORL Lewis, Rashard
5 TOR Bosh, Chris
6 MIN Foye, Randy
7 POR Aldridge, LaMarcus
8 ATL Johnson, Joe
9 WAS Jamison, Antawn
10 DAL Kidd, Jason
11 DAL Nowitzki, Dirk
12 DEN Hilario, Nene
13 NJN Carter, Vince
14 LAL Gasol, Pau
15 BOS Allen, Ray
16 SAS Duncan, Tim
17 IND Granger, Danny
18 NOH Paul, Chris
19 OKC Westbrook, Russell
20 PHI Young, Thaddeus
21 ORL Turkoglu, Hedo
22 BOS Garnett, Kevin
23 PHX Nash, Steve
24 LAL Bryant, Kobe
25 DET Wallace, Rasheed
26 UTA Millsap, Paul
27 DET Prince, Tayshaun
28 HOU Ming, Yao
29 POR Roy, Brandon
30 ORL Howard, Dwight
31 CHA Okafor, Emeka
32 CHI Rose, Derrick
33 NJN Harris, Devin
34 LAL Odom, Lamar
35 NOH Stojakovic, Peja
36 BOS Pierce, Paul
37 ATL Smith, Josh
38 PHX Hill, Grant
39 TOR Moon, Jamario
40 DEN Martin, Kenyon
41 CHA, PHX Diaw, Boris
42 MEM Gasol, Marc
43 LAC Camby, Marcus
44 CHA Wallace, Gerald
45 MIL Sessions, Ramon
46 MIN Jefferson, Al
47 DEN, DET Billups, Chauncey
48 POR Fernandez, Rudy
49 CHI Deng, Luol
50 SAC Thompson, Jason
51 SAC Miller, Brad
52 CHA Felton, Raymond
53 DAL Terry, Jason
54 WAS Butler, Caron
55 OKC Green, Jeff
56 LAL Bynum, Andrew
57 MIA Marion, Shawn
58 TOR Parker, Anthony
59 SAS Bonner, Matt
60 GSW, NYK Harrington, Al
61 BOS Rondo, Rajon
62 IND Foster, Jeff
63 CLE Williams, Mo
64 UTA Kirilenko, Andrei
65 HOU Artest, Ron
66 MIL Jefferson, Richard
67 UTA Okur, Mehmet
68 MIN Telfair, Sebastian
69 DEN Smith, J.R.
70 MIL Ridnour, Luke
71 MIL Mbah a Moute, Luc
72 GSW Biedrins, Andris
73 UTA Williams, Deron
74 ATL Murray, Ronald (Flip)
75 NYK Richardson, Quentin
76 NYK Lee, David
77 LAC Gordon, Eric
78 NOH West, David
79 CHI Nocioni, Andres
80 SAC Udrih, Beno
81 NYK Duhon, Chris
82 MIL Redd, Michael
83 DEN Anthony, Carmelo
84 GSW Turiaf, Ronny
85 CLE West, Delonte
86 HOU Battier, Shane
87 CLE Gibson, Daniel
88 PHX O’Neal, Shaquille
89 CHI Gordon, Ben
90 ATL Bibby, Mike
91 LAL Ariza, Trevor
92 MEM Mayo, O.J.
93 LAC Davis, Baron
94 OKC Watson, Earl
95 CHA Augustin, D.J.
96 MEM Conley, Mike
97 MIA Chalmers, Mario
98 GSW, NYK Crawford, Jamal
99 ORL Nelson, Jameer
100 CHI Noah, Joakim
101 NJN Hayes, Jarvis
102 LAC, NYK Randolph, Zach
103 NOH Posey, James
104 HOU McGrady, Tracy
105 POR Batum, Nicolas
106 SAS Ginobili, Manu
107 ORL Lee, Courtney
108 WAS Young, Nick
109 GSW Jackson, Stephen
110 DEN, DET Iverson, Allen
111 CHA, PHX Bell, Raja
112 IND Ford, T.J.
113 NYK Robinson, Nate
114 IND Jack, Jarrett
115 IND Daniels, Marquis
116 CHA, PHX Richardson, Jason
117 NYK Chandler, Wilson
118 MEM Gay, Rudy
119 NJN Anderson, Ryan
120 ATL Pachulia, Zaza
121 PHX Stoudemire, Amare
122 LAC Thornton, Al
123 CHA, LAL Radmanovic, Vladimir
124 MIA Cook, Daequan
125 HOU Scola, Luis
126 LAC, NYK Collins, Mardy
127 BOS Powe, Leon
128 WAS Blatche, Andray
129 LAC, NYK Thomas, Tim
130 MEM Milicic, Darko
131 NJN Jianlian, Yi
132 TOR Graham, Joey
133 DET Johnson, Amir
134 MIL Villanueva, Charlie
135 SAS Thomas, Kurt
136 DEN Andersen, Chris
137 HOU Wafer, Von
138 WAS Songaila, Darius
139 DAL Howard, Josh
140 NJN Lopez, Brook
141 IND Murphy, Troy
142 POR Outlaw, Travis
143 BOS Allen, Tony
144 ATL Williams, Marvin
145 UTA Brewer, Ronnie
146 GSW Morrow, Anthony
147 PHI Dalembert, Samuel
148 OKC Durant, Kevin
149 SAC Salmons, John
150 SAC Jackson, Bobby
151 MIA Haslem, Udonis
152 CLE Szczerbiak, Wally
153 SAS Udoka, Ime
154 OKC Mason, Desmond
155 CLE Wallace, Ben
156 SAS Mason, Roger
157 MEM Warrick, Hakim
158 GSW Maggette, Corey
159 POR Blake, Steve
160 ORL Battie, Tony
161 DET Hamilton, Richard
162 MIL Bogut, Andrew
163 IND Nesterovic, Rasho
164 CHA, DAL Hollins, Ryan
165 SAC Moore, Mikki
166 HOU Alston, Rafer
167 GSW Watson, C.J.
168 TOR Bargnani, Andrea
169 SAC Martin, Kevin
170 DET Stuckey, Rodney
171 CHI Hinrich, Kirk
172 IND Graham, Stephen
173 MIA Quinn, Chris
174 TOR Calderon, Jose
175 GSW Ellis, Monta
176 GSW Azubuike, Kelenna
177 DAL Bass, Brandon
178 PHI Speights, Marreese
179 DET Afflalo, Arron
180 NYK Gallinari, Danilo
181 DEN, DET McDyess, Antonio
182 PHX Barnes, Matt
183 DAL Dampier, Erick
184 SAS Parker, Tony
185 PHI Miller, Andre
186 MIN Miller, Mike
187 SAS Finley, Michael
188 PHI Green, Willie
189 TOR Kapono, Jason
190 CLE Pavlovic, Sasha
191 UTA Miles, C.J.
192 OKC Collison, Nick
193 TOR O’Neal, Jermaine
194 PHX, WAS Brown, Dee
195 IND Hibbert, Roy
196 OKC Weaver, Kyle
197 MEM Jaric, Marko
198 NJN Simmons, Bobby
199 LAL Walton, Luke
200 CHI Thomas, Tyrus
201 MIN Gomes, Ryan
202 HOU Hayes, Chuck
203 ATL Evans, Maurice
204 MIN Carney, Rodney
205 SAS Bowen, Bruce
206 DET Brown, Kwame
207 CLE Varejao, Anderson
208 MIL Bell, Charlie
209 BOS Perkins, Kendrick
210 UTA Knight, Brevin
211 DEN Carter, Anthony
212 SAS Oberto, Fabricio
213 GSW Belinelli, Marco
214 ATL Horford, Al
215 UTA Boozer, Carlos
216 GSW Wright, Brandan
217 LAL Fisher, Derek
218 MIL, ORL Bogans, Keith
219 UTA Collins, Jarron
220 CHI Gray, Aaron
221 SAC Hawes, Spencer
222 CHA, PHX Dudley, Jared
223 NOH Brown, Devin
224 BOS Scalabrine, Brian
225 UTA Korver, Kyle
226 MIA Beasley, Michael
227 TOR Voskuhl, Jake
228 OKC Wilcox, Chris
229 MEM Ross, Quinton
230 WAS Dixon, Juan
231 CLE Ilgauskas, Zydrunas
232 POR Przybilla, Joel
233 PHX Barbosa, Leandro
234 NJN Dooling, Keyon
235 CHA, DAL Diop, DeSagana
236 UTA Koufos, Kosta
237 MIA Magloire, Jamaal
238 DET Maxiell, Jason
239 LAL Vujacic, Sasha
240 HOU Barry, Brent
241 MEM Lowry, Kyle
242 HOU Landry, Carl
243 HOU Brooks, Aaron
244 NYK Jeffries, Jared
245 WAS Stevenson, DeShawn
246 BOS House, Eddie
247 MIN Love, Kevin
248 DEN Kleiza, Linas
249 NOH Butler, Rasual
250 MIN Cardinal, Brian
251 ORL Pietrus, Mickael
252 PHI Ratliff, Theo
253 LAC Jones, Fred
254 IND Dunleavy, Mike
255 PHI Brand, Elton
256 LAC Kaman, Chris
257 MIL, ORL Lue, Tyronn
258 POR Oden, Greg
259 CHI Sefolosha, Thabo
260 UTA Harpring, Matt
261 CHI Gooden, Drew
262 NYK Rose, Malik
263 DAL Singleton, James
264 SAC Garcia, Francisco
265 MIN Ollie, Kevin
266 PHI Williams, Louis
267 OKC Swift, Robert
268 SAC Williams, Shelden
269 LAC Davis, Ricky
270 CHI Hughes, Larry
271 DAL Barea, Jose
272 SAS Tolliver, Anthony
273 OKC Smith, Joe
274 DEN Balkman, Renaldo
275 PHI Evans, Reggie
276 NJN Douglas-Roberts, Chris
277 LAC Novak, Steve
278 NOH, WAS James, Mike
279 WAS McGuire, Dominic
280 UTA Price, Ronnie
281 PHX Amundson, Louis
282 SAC Greene, Donte
283 GSW Randolph, Anthony
284 SAS Hill, George
285 NJN Najera, Eduardo
286 POR Rodriguez, Sergio
287 MIA Jones, James
288 IND Diener, Travis
289 BOS Davis, Glen
290 MEM Arthur, Darrell
291 ORL Johnson, Anthony
292 MIN Smith, Craig
293 DAL Williams, Shawne
294 NOH Ely, Melvin
295 NOH Wright, Julian
296 MEM Buckner, Greg
297 MIL Allen, Malik
298 MIA Blount, Mark
299 LAC Mobley, Cuttino
300 IND Rush, Brandon
301 CHI Hunter, Lindsey
302 MIN McCants, Rashad
303 DEN Jones, Dahntay
304 NOH Chandler, Tyson
305 NJN Boone, Josh
306 NJN Hassell, Trenton
307 SAC Douby, Quincy
308 MIN Brewer, Corey
309 LAC Davis, Paul
310 ORL Redick, J.J.
311 ATL Jones, Solomon
312 MIA Anthony, Joel
313 NOH Peterson, Morris
314 NOH Armstrong, Hilton
315 DET Bynum, Will
316 NOH, WAS Daniels, Antonio
317 NOH Bowen, Ryan
318 MIL Elson, Francisco
319 MIA Diawara, Yakhouba
320 PHI Ivey, Royal
321 DAL Wright, Antoine
322 CHA Mohammed, Nazr
323 POR Bayless, Jerryd
324 CHA, LAL Morrison, Adam
325 POR Frye, Channing
326 MIL Gadzuric, Dan
327 MEM, WAS Crittenton, Javaris
328 TOR Ukic, Roko
329 OKC Krstic, Nenad
330 PHX Dragic, Goran
331 NJN Swift, Stromile
332 LAC Skinner, Brian
333 SAC Brown, Bobby
334 CHA, DAL Carroll, Matt
335 TOR Solomon, Willie
336 WAS McGee, JaVale
337 LAL Farmar, Jordan
338 DEN, OKC Petro, Johan
339 PHX Lopez, Robin
340 DAL George, Devean
341 LAC Jordan, DeAndre
342 MIA Wright, Dorell
343 OKC Wilkins, Damien
344 TOR Humphries, Kris
345 NOH Marks, Sean
346 CHA, LAL Brown, Shannon
347 MIL Alexander, Joe
348 GSW Williams, Marcus
349 CLE Hickson, J.J.
350 DET Herrmann, Walter
351 ORL Gortat, Marcin
352 PHI Rush, Kareem
353 LAC Taylor, Mike
354 CHA, DEN Howard, Juwan
355 ATL Law, Acie
356 POR Webster, Martell
357 HOU Head, Luther
358 MIN Collins, Jason
359 DEN, OKC Atkins, Chucky
360 LAL Powell, Josh
361 CHA, PHX Singletary, Sean
362 BOS Pruitt, Gabe
363 MIL Jones, Damon
364 WAS Thomas, Etan
365 UTA Almond, Morris
366 DAL Green, Gerald
367 LAC Hart, Jason
368 ORL Cook, Brian
369 NJN Williams, Sean
370 CHA May, Sean
371 NYK Roberson, Anthony
372 GSW Kurz, Rob
373 DAL Stackhouse, Jerry
374 SAS Vaughn, Jacque
375 WAS Pecherov, Oleksiy
376 MIA Banks, Marcus
377 NYK Curry, Eddy
Sacramento players only:
50 SAC Thompson, Jason
51 SAC Miller, Brad
80 SAC Udrih, Beno
149 SAC Salmons, John
150 SAC Jackson, Bobby
165 SAC Moore, Mikki
169 SAC Martin, Kevin
221 SAC Hawes, Spencer
264 SAC Garcia, Francisco
268 SAC Williams, Shelden
282 SAC Greene, Donte
307 SAC Douby, Quincy
333 SAC Brown, Bobby
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 15, 2009 3:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What is this? Pookie's new sig?
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 15, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I dont't have the inclination or the energy but
can someone do:
Tower of Words
Tower of Words
Tower of Words
etc
by betweentheeyes on Feb 15, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
But probably, because it’s just as pointless.
You aren’t going to have good +/- numbers playing on a team that doesn’t do defense.
Coming to you live from the land of interim coaches.
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 15, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My sig is perfectly wonderful you snotty lady
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is wonderful, and since a got a 24" monitor for xmas, I can see it all on the screen.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 16, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except
That it has nothing to do with basketball.
And it makes no sense, unless you’re this guy.
Coming to you live from the land of interim coaches.
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 16, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it does
The Boondocks has black guys, and everybody knows that Black Guys are the best basketball players in the world. So neener neener :P
(PS I love the Darkwing Duck clips. Been so long since I’ve seen this. LOL)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And...
Watching the entire video takes less time than reading your signature.
Coming to you live from the land of interim coaches.
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 16, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's assuming you don't hit yourself over the head
Watching “I’m terror that flaps in the night” over & over.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 17, 2009 4:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well ok, as long as Beno is our 3rd best player
We’re doing OK.
(bug eyes)
by Bitgod on Feb 15, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Silver lining
Maybe someone out there believes Beno is better than we do.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 15, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to compare
Total of 377 ranked players in the league.
Sacramento players only and +/- only (not adjusted for minutes played):
54 SAC Miller, Brad
59 SAC Thompson, Jason
125 SAC Jackson, Bobby
126 SAC Moore, Mikki
147 SAC Udrih, Beno
172 SAC Williams, Shelden
205 SAC Greene, Donte
206 SAC Douby, Quincy
215 SAC Martin, Kevin
301 SAC Garcia, Francisco
314 SAC Hawes, Spencer
319 SAC Salmons, John
365 SAC Brown, Bobby
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 15, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
List of Kings players ranked by Jersey number
5 – Bobby Brown
8 – Quincy Douby
9 – Kenny Thomas
15 – John Salmons
19 – Beno Udrih
20- Donté Greene
22- Shelden Williams
23- Kevin Martin
24- Bobby Jackson
31- Spencer Hawes
32- Francisco Garcia
33- Mikki Moore
34- Jason Thompson
52- Brad Miller
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 15, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
So -
Travis Mays is our greatest Sacramento KIng?
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Feb 15, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sigh, let me try that again.... Kfan
by betweentheeyes on Feb 15, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the rimshot!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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