Amick lists some trade options for the Kings
Mostly talks about Salmons and Miller:
"There were indications Sunday that a trade involving swingman John Salmons is becoming increasingly likely, with Portland and Oklahoma City believed to be the leaders in a group of as many as five interested teams. The Trail Blazers' offer would involve forward Channing Frye's expiring contract ($3.2 million), and the Thunder's offer would involve forward Joe Smith's expiring deal ($4.8 million). According to numerous league sources, Dallas is also in the mix."
"New York, according to sources, is in play for Miller with an offer involving forward Malik Rose's expiring contract ($7.6 million)."
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Both deals are for expirings
While I don’t mind Brad being traded for just expiring contracts I’m on the camp that thinks Salmons is worth more. He should at least net us a draft pick or a young prospect IMO. At this point I wouldn’t mind keeping him and maybe including him in a package this summer to get something better.
In terms of the Brad to New York trade I’m all for it. I was working the trade machine and came up with something: Brad + Mikki for the expiring contracts of Malik Rose (7,647,000) + Jerome James ($6,200,000). I had no idea James’ (horrible) contract expired this summer so I’m more than willing to take it. This gives the organization some financial relief (Maloofs) and gives management (Petrie, Levien) some room to operate. Mikki would thrive in the run and gun offense so that’s why I included him instead of K-9. I think this deal has a chance of happening if, as Amick writes, NY actually has some interest in acquiring Brad.
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
James
He doesn’t expire this year. He has a player option for 2009-10. So, um, do not want.
To make it work, the Knicks would have to add one of their low salary players: Nate Robinson (RFA this summer), David Lee (RFA), Wilson Chandler (rookie deal through 2012), Gallinari (rookie deal through 2013). Gallo DEFINITELY isn’t happening, and Lee is probably a pipe dream.
I’d take Robinson in a heartbeat, though.
The only other option that doesn’t resulted in wasted 2009-10 salary for Sacramento would be adding one of the bench bigs (Kenny Thomas, Mikki Moore) and replacing Rose with Marbury. We’ve been over that one.
I knew I should've looked it up
That’s why I added the small sentence about being surprise Jerome’s contract expiring this summer because I wasn’t sure. No deal then… nothing really makes sense unless, like you say, we could get our hands on Nate or Lee which is probably not happening
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I love the Frye deal. It’s the only one we get a player of relative value in a good age. A 7 footer too… who actually showed some flashes of talent in his rookie year.
Wilcox scares me somewhat
because I can see Geoff turning around and resigning him for the MLE for 6 years this summer.
Exactly
The effective results of such deals are that the Kings dump a proven player for an unproven prospect that we will owe roughly the same future $$$ or lose altogether. Either way these proposed deals are all giveaways. Use him if he can take other contracts with him. Otherwise, keep him.
by ttylerbballcamper on Feb 16, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
You've said this before
I missed that piece of news. Did Frye say some crap about Sacramento before?
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There is an ad that keeps popping up over the text when I try to link this thing, but you’ll get the idea if you read the thread.
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Channing Frye in Sacramento
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Soft, perimeter-oriented jump shooter. Not a great rebounder or defender. Geoff Petrie loves guys like this and guys like this are exactly what the Kings do not need.
Shut up and Coach
If Salmons can net us a pick, then go for it
and I’m pretty sure OKC has plenty of those
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Proven John Salmons for ....
the a mid-teen pick in a weak draft. Why?
by betweentheeyes on Feb 16, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No shit
these peoples be craaaaazy!
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by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Salmons is proven
but he’s going to waste here. Period.
Petrie can do very well with his picks. He could also use an extra pick as trade bait
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By that argument - KM is wasted here as well...
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Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
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by lietothegirls on Feb 16, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Kevin Martin is signed long term
John Salmons is not.
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Yeah, let the Salmons run!
OKC would be a better deal for you guys. Bigger expiring plus decent pick is better than Frye + 2nd rounder…
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Feb 16, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Only way I'd deal Salmons to Portland
was if LaFrentz was coming back, and Kenny Thomas was going to up to Portland.
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by pookeyguru on Feb 16, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Completely Agree
The only reason to get rid of Salmons is if we can attach K9 (woof!) to the deal and/or B-52.
This idea of “the kings suck so get rid of salmon’s contract because they are going to suck with/ without him” makes no sense to me. With that reasoning we would just continually be trading all of our better players.
Also, something people are forgetting, Salmons DOESN’T have a bad contract. 5 mil a year for the next two and a half is very reasonable. He doesn’t fit in perfectly with this current team as it stands now, but who the F does, this team stinks.
He is the only player who plays defense, which doesn’t matter now, but might matter next year if we can make a move and get a draft pick that puts us somewhere back to playoff contention.
It made sense with Ron Artest because he was crazy and kept everyone on edge. I understand that Salmons isn’t Vlade, but he isn’t an “addition by subtraction” trade as bibby and artest were both originally thought to be.
Also, Salmons isn’t too old. He is in his late 20’s, but we are treating him like he is 35. Just because our core is 3-4 years younger than him doesn’t make him automatically expendible. Look at Bibby with the Hawks. They are very much a young team, he is very much an aging veteran, and last year they made the playoffs and did pretty well against the Celtics.
Overall, I think trading Salmons for an expiring contract would be an awful move and make the Kings the Florida Marlins of basketball (minus the two championships).
by Travis Mays Hayes on Feb 16, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but,
by the time we don’t suck and are actually competitive he’ll be on the decline
www.mancancook.net
Salmons has barely missed a game in years
very durable so far. Near the top in the NBA in that category. 4 years younger than Manu Ginobli, 6 younger than Nash .. . . . . .
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Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Feb 17, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
Kevin's part of the future core of this team
He’ll be in his prime when we become truly competitive while Salmons might be on a down swing. Meanwhile, OKC has hit their bottom and is actually on the way up towards being competitive. Personally I’d love to see John play for a competitive team where he gets the chance to shine.
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As a Blazers fan.
What do I need to know about John Salmons? I’ve seen him play a few times (maybe 10 times in 2 years). My initial impressions were mostly favorable; he seems like a decent slasher, a good mid-range shooter off the dribble, a decent defensive wing … probably a better complimentary player than a first or second option though (which is probably what Portland wants out of their starting 3 anyway).
The Frye centered deal does have a little bit of irony (based on Channing dissing Sactown last year http://www.channingfrye.com/blog/?p=28) but despite Channing’s butt being welded to the bench he actually has a little bit of talent as long as he gets more than spot minutes … he’s just buried behind LaMarcus and Outlaw
In any case what do you guys consider “good value” for Salmons? Are expiring deals more important than “talent” would you guys think something like any of these deals (with a first and second rounder thrown in) would be palatable to Petrie … and the fans in general?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bfc8dh
or maybe this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ccrjgm
or this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d89p6f
This team needs cap relief vf
I can’t see how Petrie will be interested in a low draft pick with Houston’s already coming.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
A low first round pick
is not that expensive. Plus, it can be traded, or even sold a la Phoenix
www.mancancook.net
I've been thinking about that too
A pick, no matter the number is an asset too. There’s many things to do with it
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nikolokolus
there is a John Salmons thread on Bedge. I discuss much of what Salmons brings. There is quite a bit of stuff in there already.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Salmons is our starting SF with one of the top 15 best contracts based on value.
There is only one reason to trade him, if we had a younger player ready to replace him. There are a lot of guys here that will give you the “He’s not part of our future” crap. Well our future starts Wednesday, and the future doesn’t look good without John or at least another starter to replace him.
So, to answer your question, we need another starter to replace him. Which means we need to trade for a young prospect who can start at the SF or PG position. Or, we need to trade away bad contracts, so we can sign a FA next summer who can start for us. So, what we’d ask of Portland is to take Thomas off our hands to get Salmons. Or, include Bayless in the trade.
I know that’s not what you want to hear, but as bad as our situation may seem. We will not panic. What Petrie & the Maloofs have said consistently is, they want to trade for cap space, prospects , and will in no way increase their team salary. But there is no rush to fix everything this year.
We have $20M coming off the books this summer, with William, Douby, & Jacksons expiring contracts. And, SAR getting a medical exemption. Plus, a two million buy out of Moore’s contract. That puts us $10M under the salary cap. So, even if we sign all of our draft choices, we’ll still be $15M below this years team salary. If we only trade Brad for expiring then we have $17M to use on 09 FA’s and we’re still under the salary cap That could bring us a Lee, Sessions or Felton which makes us better this summer.
So, with the continued improvement of Hawes & JT, plus possibly getting the top pick in the draft (more than likely top 5), we will be a much better team next year. And, if Martin & Cisco can stay health, and Greene continues to improve, and we pick up a solid FA, we could be a much much better team. Then in 2010 if Miller & K9 are still around, they become even more valuable at next yrs trade deadline because of their expiring contracts and we roll into the biggest FA Market with more than $20M in expiring and roster of all 1st round draft choices, including 3 in the top 12 over the last 3 yrs. We can wait, so don’t expect a Fire Sale any time soon in Sac.
I think Portland is the team that needs to decide right now what Salmons is worth. You guys are a playoff team. But, your not a finals contender. You need to decide, what a starting SF who can backup at SG and who can defend Kobe, is worth to you. So, if Salmons can’t help you get by LA then don’t trade for him. If you think his scoring & defense might get you into the Final, I’d make a good offer now.
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by HighTops on Feb 16, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Very good synopsis
I fucking hate you.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Thanks for the in depth response.
As for Bayless going anywhere that’s probably going to be a non-starter in a deal for salmons, he’s got a strong chance of being a very very good defensive minded “scoring” point guard and from the sounds of things management is very high on him … the only way he gets traded is for a youngish already established above average point guard.
It will be interesting to see what shakes out for both teams in the next few days.
HT FTW
rec’d HighTops. Succint and sensible. Can you school JLevien?
by betweentheeyes on Feb 16, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
Rec'd
Wow,
My thoughts EXACTLY when I read all this stuff.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Feb 16, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
That was beautiful. Rec'd
Please make a FanPost and just paste it there. This is exactly the reason we must not trade Salmons.
Sure our “future” should consist mostly of talented youngsters but why the hell do we trade one of the best value per dollar contracts of the league for nothing?
What’s the downside of keeping Salmons for our future? He’s salary is not a big burden, he’s playing great, Donte at SF is too much of a long shot to give him minutes right now and even if we keep him, we will still have a lot of cap space to sign FAs.
We have a lot of bad contracts to trade for nothing and thank god their expiring time is getting closer (2010 – Brad, Moore, K9). So if the Maloofs want to trade Salmons, they better get something valuable for him and I don’t mean a 20+ pick and LaFrentz or Frye.
I've watched 6 or 7 Sacramento games this year, and lemme tell ya, Salmons is NOT the problem...
If Petrie really does dump him for nothing, I’d start gathering the pitchforks and rousing the rabble for a visit to Petrie’s house, if I’m a Kings fan… It’s not like his contract is bad… Where did this nutty idea originate?
The cilantro in your tapioca pudding since 2007.™
I'm glad you said something timbo
Cuz you’re one of the few Bedger’s who really get that any deal with Salmons is probably going to have to include Kenny Thomas (I think that’s a better deal for Portland to take on personally).
I also think the fit with Salmons and Roy, and Salmons and Outlaw is too good to pass up. Especially since Butler is an offensive player whose not great defensively, and RJ is not necessarily a defensive stopper either. (He’s a good defender, but not as good as Salmons is.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Petrie
Needs to be slapped if John Salmons is traded for expiring contracts. Salmons has one of the best price/performance ratios in the league. Not that that’s a real stat, but his production is extremely high for his salary. He’s worth more than expiring deals and a late first round pick.
Shut up and Coach
I agree. But there is so much smoke about him flushing Salmons for pennies on the dollar that I'm starting to believe...
Here’s my Blazer fan deal offer:
FROM SACTOE: Miller and Salmons
FROM PDX: Expiring Contract Frye + Super Expiring Contract LaFrentz (80% insurance paid) + 1st round pick + new cars for the Maloofs for giving Salmons away for free
It’s an insanely one-sided salary dump, on the face of it… But it eliminates the two of the three main Sacramento names mentioned again and again and again and again in trade rumors in one fell swoop…
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The problem
The reason no deals have been made (and the Bibby/Artest trades took so long to happen) is that the piece that has been attached to everything is Kenny Thomas.
I have a felling that your trade would happen immediately if you swap out Miller and throw in Thomas.
- Thomas is the reason Bibby was traded at the last minute.
- Thomas is the reason Artest made it through the trade deadline and into the summer.
- Thomas is the reason Miller hasn’t been traded yet.
- Thomas is the reason Salmons’ name has been thrown around so much.
It’s all about the K9 (woof!).
What smg said Timbo
I think that works out better anyway. Kenny won’t complain about PT as long as he gets his money.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....


















