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Sacramento's Small Forwards of the Future

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Andres Nocioni, Francisco Garcia and Donté Greene ... all signed through at least 2012. They'll make a total of no more than $13 million per season. The trio makes up one quarter of your active roster; Garcia can play any guard position as well, and Nocioni should be able to fill in at power forward in pinch. Greene can play all six positions. Yes, all SIX positions.

Assuming D.G. stops messing around with us, all three can and will stroke the three. Nocioni can rebound hard (one of the best at the position), and D.G. should become a quality rebounder. No one on the Sacramento roster will give more effort than Nocioni and Garcia, and no one on Planet Earth smiles wider than Greene.

I don't know. It could be worse. And let's remember that we have 21 hours until the deadline. More can happen, even if the load appears blown.

Surviving the storm will require every drop of optimism we've got. Spend an hour looking at the bright side. Then, we grab the pitchforks and march on Natomas.

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The optimistic way of looking at it is that we were successful in dealing Miller for expirings, and that Nocioni is likely to be a better player than Salmons over the next 2.5 seasons.

by sactown on Feb 18, 2009 3:02 PM PST reply actions  

If Salmons has to come off the bench

That may very well be the case.

Mambo King

by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see it being plausible

Nocioni will be better than Salmons would have been.

I can’t see how 3Hydra is more exciting than 4Hydra was, but we’ll see.

Anyway, I’m done with being mad, we’ll see how it plays out. I really, really, really hope my vitriol for this deal looks abysmally stupid in six months.

Go Kings!

by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah!

Make 4 3 look stupid!

Our new rallying cry!

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I guess that's better

Than knowing someone has to eat their own shit if we got Amare.

by smgmatt on Feb 19, 2009 7:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Shit

I was just on my way out the door with my pitchfork before I checked my computer and saw this. I guess your right. I’ll wait till noon tomorrow. Then we’re meeting at 100 Diggins Drive in Folsom. Password is Sic Semper Tyrannus.

by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

The optimistic way of looking at this... is acquiring all the spanish

speaking ballers we can, in order to entice Manu to sign with us and draft Rubio.

P.S. My fork is already sharpened.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Feb 18, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

A 34 yr old Manu? (in two years)

No thanks

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

33 but yeah, i was being facetious.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Feb 18, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice post TZ

I especially like the pic of Andres yelling NOOOOOcioni!

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 3:10 PM PST reply actions  

No...

That’s just him replying to his move to the Kings.

by IAmOnFir on Feb 18, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

We could use a little shouting out there

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

An Hour and a Shower

Give Geoff and hour and a shower and even at his age he can reload for a smaller trade

by ElRonToro on Feb 18, 2009 3:12 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Optimism

I like it. Welcome Andres.

Oh and Drew.. welcome and please make 10 double doubles until the end of the season.

by ZenBaller on Feb 18, 2009 3:16 PM PST reply actions  

No Don't

If he does we might be dumb enough to resign him. (Scary thought but look at this trade) lol

by MITCH FRONTAGE on Feb 18, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

A neopolitan flavored

platoon of small forwards, mmmm taaasty.

by passionforPERPS on Feb 18, 2009 3:17 PM PST reply actions  

but what about drew gooden? He of duck tail fame?

by wabut on Feb 18, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

You're right.

I guess we got fair value in the chin bear department when you add Nocioni and Gooden together.

by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't discount the Miller cornrows

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d rather trade in Mustaches personally

I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken

by joeytothelimit on Feb 18, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Only Bright Side

Shock and Hawes are no longer hindered by the cancer that is B.Mill and Cisco can evolve into his starting role next to Kevin.

by Doubl3Dos3 on Feb 18, 2009 3:20 PM PST reply actions  

I'm thinking Nocioni will start

and Garcia will still come off the Bench.

by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Shut up

if Andres has Salmons-syndrome and throws a fit for coming off the bench then there goes any hope I had for this trade. I know Cisco is a great 6 man but not on such a shitty team as the Kings. He works best with KMart on the floor and finishes most game anyways.

Why not give Cisco the nod?

by Doubl3Dos3 on Feb 18, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind either way

I just think Nocioni will start. He might or might not.

by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

What about Cisco at 1?

I love Cisco’s dynamicism. I’ve always liked Cisco as a 1 in certain spots. but why not try and start him there? He is probably just as effective of a passer as Beno and certainly adds heart and much needed defense to the floor. His rebounding at 1 and Nocioni hittin’ the glass at 3 could really shore up the D rebounding effort.

As a sweet little bonus, that scenario would free our boy Donte to get the first minutes off the bench at 3.

by CDinSD on Feb 18, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

No problems with that.

Noce is on record a couple of years ago saying he didn’t like starting because that meant that the REAL starter (Luol Deng) was either injured or playing badly. Noce is all about the team and would gladly play 6th man or 12th man if the team got better for it.

even if you go through the Bulls thread, a lot of guys hated his flopping and his compaining but not one will say anything about his ego. They know Noce is a team-first man.

by PatBull on Feb 18, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

optimist

When GM’s are deciding on players, they aren’t only considering numbers. Reading over the comments of the previous post it looks like everyone is saying this is an awful trade because of cap space and stats.

John Salmons posts great stats, but my view is that he’s bad for team chemistry. He sulks when he has to come off the bench, or is worried about his number of shots as a starter. Brad Miller also posts great stats, but he hasn’t been the best role-model for our young guys. Brad was great for the Kings when he was complimentary to Vlade, Mike, Peja, etc. But it just isn’t working with this group. We had talented players who didn’t work well as a team.

Perhaps the Kings front office is hoping Nocioni’s fire will compliment the team and add some toughness. Maybe he can help with our leadership issues.

Maybe Drew Gooden will fit in better with this team as well. And Ike Diogu is a pretty exciting player who got lost in Portland. Maybe with minutes in Sac he can produce like he did in Golden State.

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Feb 18, 2009 3:21 PM PST reply actions  

agree

I think Salmons was a negative, ultimately, stats be damned. And how were we going to get anybody to take on BThrills huge contract without sweetening the pot.

And ESPN is reporting that Salmons had a 15% kicker (payable by team acquiring him) which made him a bit less of a bargain.

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Feb 18, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

2 million dollars added to the cap per ESPN

Yikes! Are the Bulls over the tax threshold? They’re close if so it’s a 4 million dollar hit for them

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I do like his emotional play

(I won’t say the other word or I’ll be slammed)

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

No - the 'F' word

the other one I get slammed for when I worried before the season who would bring the F-r- to this roster.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

We don't need no "Chest Thumpers!"

Oh wait, you said F-r-.

We don’t need no “Ch-st Th-mp-rs!”

;p

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

We don't need Zen-like calm while we lose another game either

Stop translating emotion – to chest thumping please

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you notice the ;p

It means I was joking.

You have way too much fire.

Chill out.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know all those blogging symbols

sorry – been meaning to look them up

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Turn your head to the left

it’s a wink with tongue stuck out.

;p

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

ah crap, that would be me

that said the F word.

braces for a slam

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

At least we're even in the endless whiners dept.

Brad for Noc is pretty even in incredulous looks for refs, whining and number of times per game they each want to cry.

(trying to find the positives, I’m working on it)

:)

by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I've become okay with this

Fuck it, let’s just look at the positives

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 18, 2009 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

Yep

Next trade please!

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just fine

Nocioni is not a bad player. Until that contract he was pretty desirable. I’d have rather had a pick too, but if not, oh well.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 18, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

The Pick

Is what would have made it look like a decent “basketball” trade.

As it is, it stinks of cutting costs . . . but I’m feeling better about it today than I did yesterday, if that’s worth anything.

I can’t help but wonder if the Kings could have taken the Chandler Expirings package from OKC for Salmons & Miller and got a pick out of it though.

by smgmatt on Feb 19, 2009 7:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm rationalizing to myself, too

but I could maaybe get on board. Remember back in 98 when the t-shirts they gave out at Arco featured the “young and relentless” Sacramento Kings? Nocioni may not be young, but he’s scrappy, and hopefully his hard nosed play lights a fire on an otherwise soft team. I think he starts, as we need his rebounding more than anything from the 3, and he can still shoot. In short, this move removes some malcontents, clears space next summer, and hopefully shifts our indetity to a hard working and scrappy, if young and developing, team. At least I sincerely hope.

by LPKingsFan on Feb 18, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

identity—that’s the word i was looking for. we didn’t have one with Brad and Salmons. who knows with the new guys, but here’s to hoping.

put me in, Coach

by LaBradford on Feb 18, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally Agree

Its not like there were tons of better offers that seemed reasonable for these guys. The only other plausible situation that I might have liked to see would involve a potential mid-1st round pick…who would have done that though?

by CDinSD on Feb 18, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

AWWWWWW!!!!

And to think I voted “In Petrie we trust”.

by SacKings4Life on Feb 18, 2009 3:36 PM PST reply actions  

Does Gooden move by Tomorrow in another deal?

I think thats veeery possible

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:38 PM PST reply actions  

Yah!

Geoff: Hey Steve I got this deal for you for Amare

Steve: I’m listening

Geoff: How about this giant steaming pile of poo I just got from Chicago

Steve: You know what, that’s just what I’ve been waiting for. Other teams have good players and contracts to trade, but what I really need here in the Valley of the Sun is a giant steaming pile of poo. Done.

by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

True they already have Shaq

Twin giant steaming Towers of Poo!

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

heh

Webber for Skinner, Williamson, Thomas
Bibby for Williams, Johnson, Lue, Wright
Miller/Salmons for Nocioni, Gooden, Diogu, Williams

And while the first two deals didn’t net us players, they didn’t exactly net the other team players either.

by sactown on Feb 18, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Atlanta got the best deal of the 3.

Bibby’s been playing great for them.

by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well

for $15 million, he’s less essential than he ought to be.

by sactown on Feb 18, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

if a player is traded he can’t be traded in another trade as part of a package. A one for one deal is fine.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 18, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Although

if we really are under the cap and can make a lopsided trade then it could work

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 18, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you can still use a trade exception (??)

which we have

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I admit I'm not sure

but I think to make a 1 player trade balance you can

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

So Bjax or Gooden to Washington + trade exc. for E Thomas plus thier pick

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

No, you can't combine the trade exception with a player

But, that is feasible as two separate trades. BJax or Gooden for Thomas, then the exception for the pick

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 18, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

SFs?

We are now very top heavy in PFs!!!!!
(K9, JT, SWilliams, Mikki,)
Something else may give

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I forgot Ike Diogu

Thats FIVE PFs (??)

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Dont forget D. Gooden

And I'm like one of the most ghetto-ist guys in the NBA. - Ron Artest

by Kingsfan banished to AZ on Feb 18, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I love me some Geoff Petrie

But someone needs to remind him that there are five distinct positions on a basketball team. One of them is called the “Point Guard”, and he’s generally a smaller guy who runs the offense and gets more assists than turnovers. Another one is called the “Center”, who generally should be rather physically imposing and makes it hard for the other team to get the ball near your basket.

Man, I really sounded like a dick saying it like that. Sorry Geoff. But seriously, we need a point point guard and a goon. Please find them.

by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 18, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

No shit - SIX!

Something else happens tomorrow if they can pull it off

(though Gooden may play a lot of center? – Diogu? JT?)

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

In Geoff I still trust

I learned a long time ago that Geoff Petrie knows more about basketball than I do. He’s not perfect, but nobody is. I’m not thrilled by this trade, but it is not the apocalypse.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Feb 18, 2009 3:38 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

For Rational Thought.

(Damn your rational thought, sir)

by smgmatt on Feb 19, 2009 7:18 AM PST up reply actions  

More Stats

Our team just got better in two categories:

1. Intentional fouls after perceived missed calls.

2. Brad Baby Technical Fouls.

by #12Pick...who? on Feb 18, 2009 3:46 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

Brad’s “sore loser” intentional fouls have bugged me pretty much more than anything else this year. Amick’s headline for this trade should have said “Kings trade Miller and his shitty attitude…”

by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 18, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

Petrie couldn’t get the Bulls to take the shitty attitude. We’d probably have to give up a pick or something.

by ttylerbballcamper on Feb 18, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

My take

I actually like this. I’ve always liked Nocioni. I don’t know why, but my gut feeling tells me he’ll mesh with this offense better than Salmons did. I’m excited to finally see Shock and Hawes get the minutes they need to improve. I hope Donté gets a few more minutes.

I think we probably overvalued Salmons. He had a decent deal for what he produced, but I don’t see him producing nearly as much when he’s not on such a horrible team.

Let me say, on record, that I like this deal. I like the cap space. I like having someone who can rebound and shoot the 3. I like the new blood. But hey, I was also happy when Kenny Thomas came over.

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Feb 18, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

And you admit your previous K9 love???

You won’t find anyone here who will admit they eeever liked him.

rec’d

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I liked the trade when it happened

and K9 played well his first season here, then someone fixed him or put him down without us knowing it.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah , an 'energy guy' who lost it

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly the people in favor of this are going to win

because there’s no way this team could possibly play worse. Even if we lost every game, the people in favor of the trade could make the case we’d have lost them anyway.

There’s no downside here, because the true cost of this trade won’t come out for at least 12 months when we don’t have Miller’s expiring and we do have the Nocioni contract. By then no one will care.

by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 4:13 PM PST reply actions  

This seems unfinished

And while I don’t need a deal by the deadline to satisfy me, if this does not springboard us into a draft day or in season deal (next year), I will be disappointed.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 18, 2009 4:15 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I agree

look above, can you use a trade exception to make a 1 for 1 player trade work?

You can – right? (anyboby anybody)

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

You can't use a trade exception on any player

Unless that trade exception covers the salary for that entire player. (That’s how the Kings acquired Cassell.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I sure hope so

But I’m almost through hoping at this point. Too many letdowns the last 3 years.

by ttylerbballcamper on Feb 18, 2009 5:14 PM PST reply actions  

To quote -

“Hope springs eternal.” – Alexander Pope

“F*ck you, Alex!” – Anonymous

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 18, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair...

That second quote was from the set of Jeopardy!

by smgmatt on Feb 19, 2009 7:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Nocioni

Is a whopping 12 days younger than John Salmons. I’m not jumping off a bridge about this trade. I think it’s pretty much a wash talent-wise and may actually help the Kings a (very) little because Nocioni plays hard and rebounds. But Nocioni is no more or less the future than Salmons was. I would have been a lot happier if Petrie had swapped Houston’s first rounder for Chicago’s.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Feb 18, 2009 5:30 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

That also might have made obtaining Washington’s pick a little easier, as the Kings could have then flipped Chicago’s pick for it!

by smgmatt on Feb 19, 2009 7:27 AM PST up reply actions  

My take (which counts for shit)

I don’t mind this deal and I kinda like it (kinda). Whether it’s part of something bigger or not, I think that it isn’t as bad as some people make it to be. I’m not gonna give great statistcal analysis or any shit like that, I’m just going with my gut. We are gtting some good cap for the summer and an slightly overpayed player who brings a different dimension to the team. Not saying he’s the future; hell, he could get traded tomorrow or over the summer. I’ll rather wait and see what happens… for now I’ll just concentrate on the positives.

"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops

by eduardo_m7 on Feb 18, 2009 6:09 PM PST reply actions  

Also good to keep in mind

that we built Salmons into a semi-valuable commodity, no reason we can’t do the same with Noc

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

He might really compliment KM better

we’ll see soooon

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

He definitely will do that

His rebounding is also better than Salmons too.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

By better than Salmons

we mean, he ranks 20th among small forwards for rebounding. That’s asjusted for playing time.

by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmmm

Where did Salmons rank?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Salmons was 8th in the league

In assists at small forward. I know that’s not what you’re asking. I’m just saying we should have been able to swap Houston’s pick for Chicago’s. I do realize that ship has sailed at this point.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Feb 18, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Salmons was a bad rebounder

we know that, I just cringe a little seeing all the posts about rebounding. Its not like we’re adding Ben Wallace in his prime, its Andres Nocioni, lol.

I’ll try to stop and leave people to their rationalizing and hope. Two hours before the trade TZ said Nocioni is exactly the kind of contract we don’t need, section agreed, I was with them. I still think they were right then.

Of course hope is going to win in this anyway. The Kings can’t possibly play worse than they had been, or even if they do no one will really be able to tell. Let’s see if this move was to save the Maloofs cash in the short run or if the money being saved this summer will be invested in a 9mil a year FA.

All I know is, this summer if GP had signed Nocioni to a 3yr MLE contract, he would have been almost universally reviled on these boards, and in my opinion rightfully so. Well, that’s what we have now, and the only plus is we might have the chance to sign a $10mil player this upcoming summer rather than a $15-20mil player(s) the summer after.

One other point is this, its possible, though I think unlikely, there is another shoe to drop today. I for one hope so.

by ForThree on Feb 19, 2009 6:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Totally agree

I don’t think it’s irrational to think that the team will be more entertaining to watch the rest of the season. We dealt away a couple of Eeyores and are getting back two guys who seem to have a bit more passion on the court. Whether we get a few more wins, I don’t know.

Plus, hopefully this means a bit more Donté Greene the rest of the season.

But yeah, we’ll see what Petrie does today, if anything.

Mambo King

by otis29 on Feb 19, 2009 6:48 AM PST up reply actions  

You're right about Noc's contract, For Three

And my feelings have not changed about that. My feelings have been that any contract that impacts 2010 (other than a true potential rebuilding piece like Boozer or Stoudemire) is a bad thing.

However, in this case the impact is minimal., as the net impact for 2010 is about $1 million (Noc minus Salmons).

I thought Salmons was worth a late 1st round pick. So the question now becomes, does Nocioni prove to be more valuable than that pick (factoring in that the pick’s contract would have been far less expensive)? Time will tell.

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by section214 on Feb 19, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

That's all a matter of opinion

I’m pretty sure that thought process came into play. We’ll hear more about that as the day goes on, and particularly since the trading deadline hasn’t come yet, perhaps the roster will undergo another minor change.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 19, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, I can't help it
I’m not gonna give great statistcal analysis…

“I’ll bet she gives great [statistical analysis]” – Lord Helmet

Now, back to your regularly scheduled statistical analysis.

by smgmatt on Feb 19, 2009 7:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I think there are some things about this

Nocioni may work much better for Sac than he did for the Bulls. He’s an enforcer, and that type of guy, so the extra 2 1/2 million that would be owed (assuming Salmons exercises his ETO) would be what you’re paying for him in the extra season.

I know Matt is happy about not having Nocioni. I know the odds on what happens to Ben Gordon is not something that makes him happy. Can’t have it both ways Matt.

I know this cuts nearly 10 million in salary next season for the club regardless of the extra obligation of Nocioni. If her performs well over the next couple seasons, then it may be easier to dump him. I doubt it though.

I’m only disappointed the Kings weren’t able to get more for Salmons. I’m disappointed Kenny Thomas is still on the roster. I’m really not too worried about the rest of the trade dynamic. Maybe Nocioni will work, maybe not. At least he isn’t as expensive as Kenny Thomas.

This is one of those deals. I’m not sure how to evaluate it until there are other deals made.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2009 6:21 PM PST reply actions  

It's getting to the point with K9

that we’ve suffered so long it almost seems like quitting if we don’t ride it out until it expires. Like running a marathon and then getting someone else to come in and run the last mile.
OK, not really.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Hahh!!!

rec’d

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Kfan, circa 2011
It’s getting to the point with K9 Nocioni

that we’ve suffered so long it almost seems like quitting if we don’t ride it out until it expires. Like running a marathon and then getting someone else to come in and run the last mile.
OK, not really.

Just kidding. I think.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Feb 18, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see

Nocioni playing well for us this year, and his contract and abilities suddenly look much like Salmons did to us. A strong player who is relatively underpaid, and who’ll be attractive to contenders in the future.

by sactown on Feb 18, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Lets give him a chance!!

Full support for a while

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven't reserved judgement on the trade

I think its terrible.

But of course once these guys put on Kings uniforms then we root for them. We’re stuck with Nocioni for a looong time now, might as well start rooting for the guy.

by ForThree on Feb 19, 2009 6:26 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I can see

Nocioni getting progressively worse. He’s 29, damnit. Agghh and he’s being paid until he’s like 34.

by CloudyEyes on Feb 18, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

And at one point we could have had Gerald Wallace straight up for Miller

Now we’re trading away value for crap. Why to go, Petrie. Chalk one up for this greatest GM ever.

by CloudyEyes on Feb 19, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

You mean

The Gerald Wallace that is (once again) out with injury? The Gerald Wallace that has missed 20% of Charlotte’s games over the past 4+ years? That Gerald Wallace?

Come on. If we’re going to play the “we should have taken that rumored trade” game, we can do better than Gerald Wallace, can’t we?

I’ll take the Brad Miller for Gooden and Tyrus Thomas rumor, please.

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by section214 on Feb 19, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL 214

Yeah who wouldn’t?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 19, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

YIKES!
I’m not sure how to evaluate it until there are other deals made.

That’s exactly what I said when Webber was traded.

Don’t scare me like that. I don’t know if I can take it.

by smgmatt on Feb 19, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Read my new fanpost

i sound off on how I feel. I had time (for the valium/IB profuin to wear off—went to the dentist yesterday—wasn’t fun) to really clear my thoughts on the issue.

It’s a deal I can live with. If Nocioni performs to his career level, or better, his best season 2 years ago, this is definitely a deal that I love.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 19, 2009 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't care how he plays

Unless Nocioni’s averaging 15ppg/8 boards…he isn’t worth his contract.

So much for an “energy guy.” By the way, didn’t Petrie pull that shit when he signed lobster claws? Screw talent, Sactown needs energy guys!

Petrie has a fucking hard on for energy guys.

by CloudyEyes on Feb 18, 2009 10:45 PM PST reply actions  

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