Worst Kings Trades of All-Time?
Wednesday’s deal with the Bulls got me to thinking: what were some of the worst trades in Kings history? And does any of Geoff Petrie’s recent handiwork match up?
Back in the early days in Sactown, horrible trades were as much an annual routine as Draft Lottery disappointment. The front office could do little with draft picks at six or seven year after year, so eventually the Kings would resort to a mid-season Hail Mary pass or a summertime splash in the trade market. Sometimes this was fun, such as when we landed Tizzy or Danny Ainge, and of course our fortunes finally began to turn with the Mitch Richmond-Billy Owens exchange. But for the most part this strategy failed spectacularly and probably for many of the same reasons the draft selections flopped back then. These deals comprise most of my list of the Sacramento-era’s worst ever.
My least favorites, in no particular order:
Mike Woodson, Larry Drew, and a 1988 #1 to LAC for Derek Smith, Franklin Edwards, and Junior Bridgeman (1986).
Worst deal of the Sacramento era. We all know the story. The inaugural Kings played better than .500 ball down the stretch and went to the playoffs. This off-season deal disrupted that team and ushered in a decade-long playoff drought. Smith (God rest his soul) was never the star management hoped he’d be when they saw him put up 36 on Opening Night.
Worse, the pick the Kings dealt to the Clips went #6 in 1988 and became Hersey Hawkins. To make up for it, the Kings acquired the Hawks #18 pick for an aging Reggie Theus, which was looking like a phenomenal trade for the Kings until the Unspeakable Tragedy.
Eddie Johnson to the Suns for Ed Pinckney (1987)
The theory here was that Pinckney was more of a defender and the Kings needed more defense, in the Bill Russell mold of course. Didn’t really pan out that way, but on the positive side the Kings managed with that trade and their '86 draft choice to reunite the key stars from Villanova’s upset over Georgetown in 1985. EJ went on to star in Phoenix as a 3-point specialist and raked in a Sixth Man of the Year award in 1989.
Danny Ainge to Portland for Byron Irvin and the dead-last pick in the first round (Pete Chilcutt) (1990)
Ainge was an absolute stud for the Kings, which meant in those days they couldn’t hang on to him long. He later provided vital help to the Blazers backcourt during the Adelman glory days. Word was that the Kings held out for Irvin after the Blazers offered Drazen Petrovic. Irvin probably had less impact on the Kings than Sam Cassell. Chilcutt didn’t do much either, but earned special distinction by nabbing the hottest Kings dancer ever to grace the Arco hardwood (ahem). Yep, the Kings got hosed in this one by… Portland’s Geoff Petrie.
Chris Webber, Matt Barnes, and Michael Bradley to the Sixers for Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson, and Brian Skinner (2005).
I liked this trade at first, and I admit it still makes a lot of sense financially for the ownership who saved tens of millions. But seeing how K9’s contract has Gilhoolied the franchise I think this trade makes the list. Without so much focus on the K9 anvil around their necks, the Kings arguably would have expired Brad last season, expired Salmons this season, with no crappy Nocioni contract and maybe an extra pick or two. Instead the Kings lost multiple years in the rebuilding process while waiting for Kenny to “earn” his cash.
Honorable Mention: Rodney McCray to Dallas for two first-round draft choices (1990). On its face this looked like a great deal, unless you used those draft picks on Travis Mays and Duane Causwell.
Not on this list: I didn’t include the Otis Thorpe to Houston for McCray and Jim Petersen deal – a major fan grievance at the time – simply because I was never a big fan of Thorpe. To me he was living proof that a guy could gobble up stats and not help his team much. Maybe they should have called him Thorp’e. I did like Rodney McCray who we got in return though, a real versatile player and a team guy at least on the court.
Also I didn’t include the infamous Petersen for Ralph Sampson deal because as Jerry Reynolds points out in his book, both guys were due to make about the same amount of money and neither was particularly effective, though Sampson considerably less so. Jerry, this one is for you.
And I’ve left off Wednesday’s big deal with the Bulls. It has many defenders on this site and ultimately time will tell. But this is one Kings fan fighting through the sheer disappointment that we could not manage to give away Brad Miller and John Salmons without taking back another lousy contract. Now we have 1/3 of our salary cap committed long-term to…Nocioni, Cisco, and Beno. Brutal. Hope I'm wrong though.
Just one fan’s humble opinion. Thoughts?
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Ahem
Jon Barry and a draft pick (later became Dan Dickau, I believe) to Detroit for Mateen Cleaves.
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True
but Mateen sure could waive that towel…. Great addition to the list.
by misterbrister on Feb 21, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
This was a bad trade
But I don’t think it would have made much of a difference. The Kings traded away a pick in an era where they were doing a ton of winning.
I think if your’e going to list the Webber trade, you might as well note the Kings gave away Jon Barry & a 1st rounder to save some money under the tax.
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I'd say it's list-worthy
The dismantling of the Bench Mob had a bigger impact than people credit. They were the difference in countless games where the starters came out flat. Losing JB and later Bobby J tore the heart of that group (though we got value in return for Bobby). Maybe the only thing worse was cutting Jim Jackson because the Kings couldn’t get a cable deal to their liking.
by ttylerbballcamper on Feb 21, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair
They didn’t cut Jackson, but they did decide that it wasn’t worth $21 million over three years to have him back up Peja.
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I think that the Kings felt
that Jackson was not worth $7 million a year for 10 minutes a game. That’s tough to argue.
Remember, that team was the year that the team was paying for Webber, Divac and Miller. That is why they declined to re-sign Jackson (who averaged less than 8 ppg the year before) and instead signed Anthony Peeler for a fraction of the price.
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sorry, I wasn't disagreeing
I was asking another point possibly in favor of yours: after his payday with the Suns, Jackson didn’t get another contract, did he? I think I remember him being with the Sixers, the Knicks, maybe? after that Suns stint, so, if that’s the case, then not resigning him proved to be a wise decision.
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I was with you
It just takes me awhile to finish my thoughts…now where did I set those keys down…oh yeah, I walked here…
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People in Roseville walk?
Did I read that right?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Only when they leave the front door of the rehab facility open.
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It's better that way
The cops in Roseville are always setting up those nasty sobriety check points.
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LOL HT
Amen.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Bobby was traded for Bonzi
He was on the team after Webber left. He had a 5 year deal with a 6 year as a team option.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
You guys are talking about Jimmy Jax
Sorry.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Only time will tell
We traded Salmon’s for Nocioni to move Miller one year early and save $12.3M. Now, if we can move Nocioni by 2010 that’s still true. If we don’t move him until 2011 than we only save $6M, and so on.
So, the only way to eventually calculate the real value of this years trades will be when we move Nocioni and what we get for him.
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Another way to calculate the real value is.. Nocioni’s basketball value and not if he gets traded and for who.
We all get lost in the salary cap details, the trade combinations and we tend to forget that the actual game is the most important factor. Who knows.. maybe Nocioni will be a great fit and we’ll want to keep him.
I'm thinking that too
Nocioni could have a positive impact off the bench. (I don’t think he’ll be starting much beyond at some point during next season.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
and there in lies the rub in regards to Salmons v. Nocioni
If the Kings are fotrunate enough to have their young players develop into starters – Donte in particular as of today – having Salmons here and on the bench would have been a problem. Noci seems better able (according to all reports) to handle the coach’s disretion over his own. That is the biggest reason a productive player like Salmons was not a part of the Kings future, IMO.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 21, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Good point bte
I totally agree, but I think Noc will be far more effective as a bench player, and when you add in the fact that Salmons had the trade kicker up his salary, the season salaries for the next 2 are nearly identical. I can live with that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Bench or starter, either way Noc is a better fit.
Noc has a nice catch and shoot game which Salmons was never able to master which fits better with Martin. Noc is a better rebounder, hustle player, close to the same quality of defender and from most accounts a better teammate than Salmons. I just see this as a better overall fit although I am slightly concerned with the dollars wrapped up in Noc, Garcia and the fact that the y are blocking Greene or some other young up and comer.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
Donte' as lovable as he is
is two or more years away from possible starter status.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 22, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Call it a hunch
Call it hubris; call it another line of Pookey bullshit JJ, but I gots me a hunch that Garcia & Donte will work very well together as Doratio Kane develops.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
As with almost any player there will always be differences in opinions
So, you could be correct about his being a great fit. I don’t feel that way. I believe he is less moble then he once was, and plays the PF better than the SF because of it. I don’t see him as being a better defender than Salmons at SF, but certainly he can’t defend the 2’s that Salmons did. Although he may be a better rebounder, the reason is that he won’t have the ball as much, and therefore won’t score as much.
As far a contracts go, his is going down. While I expected Salmons to exercise his ETO next year, so his would be going up in 2011. But, I would have expected the Kings to try to move Salmons by next years trade line if they didn’t this year. Therefore, if they move Nocs & K9 together or separately by next years trade deadline, I’d call this a very successful trade.
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