Ruh-Roh!
Kenny Thomas (left) and Andres Nocioni (right) discuss the Kings' draft chances for the upcoming year.
OK. I consider myself to be a pretty positive person. I have at times seen Beno Udrih through Derrick Rose colored glasses, and I see Kevin Martin’s stat sheet as half full as opposed to half empty. When life hands me lemons, I give thanks that they are not Peaches.
This unbridled optimism has served me well through 23 years of Kings fanship. I thank the San Francisco Giants for allowing me to suckle at their teat of despair since 1965, thus preparing me for my Kings experience…at least, I hope that was a teat…where was I?...something to do with insanity stupidity lunacy…oh yes – optimism!
My optimism allows me to believe that bottom is top, and down is up. This reasoning allows me to see the upside in not having to purchase playoff tickets in this economy, and it gives me the opportunity to find the bright spots in 20 point road losses. So it is with this optimism that I reviewed the finishing schedules of our fellow cellar dwelling NBA brethren. And let me tell you something – when optimism meets reality, reality bites. For our purposes, I reviewed the closing schedule of the Kings, Wizards, Thunder, Clippers and Grizzlies. Everyone else is just too far out of sight with such little time left. The five teams that I just mentioned are really the only teams left that are capable of winning fewer than 20 games (Minnesota would have to finish 1-27 to make a liar out of me). Next, I took a look at where/how these teams might win games between now and the end of the season. The gang of five plays each other 11 times between now and the end of the season. They have a sum total of 67 road games left, where they have amassed a collective .153 winning percentage (thus giving Jason Thompson’s "shock the world" comment at Memphis at least some validity). And they all have varying chances of picking up wins and piling up losses. And based on what I found, we should be a little nervous. Let’s start with your Sacramento Kings. 12-45 with 25 games left, 15 home, 10 road. We have a few places where we could pick up home wins. We play the Clips, Thunder and Grizzlies at ARCO, as well as Charlotte, Indiana and Golden State. We also meet the Wizards, Clippers and T-Wolves on the road. I’m going to guess three wins at home and one more road win, giving us a 16-66 record. On to the Wizards. 13-43 with 26 games left, 12 home, 14 road. The Wiz get us at home. After that, their easiest pickings are the Raptors and the Bobcats, and they get the new look Bulls twice. They have road stops (where they are 4-23) with the Thunder, T-Wolves, Clippers and Grizzlies. I suppose you could optimist your way to giving them four more wins (Butler and Jamison could play spoiler on a given night), but it would not be out of the question to project this squad for three more wins, placing them at 16-66. At first blush, you would think that Oklahoma City would leave us in the rear view mirror. I mean, they’ve been playing better under Scotty Brooks and they have the best player amongst these teams in one Kevin Durant. But they’ve dropped five straight, and at 13-43, they finish with 12 at home and 14 on the road, where they sport the NBA’s worst record at 3-24. The Thunder get the Wizards at home, as well as Indiana and Charlotte They also get the Lakers (twice), Mavs, Spurs (twice), Jazz and Blazers, and the Bulls and the 76ers. Their road games include Memphis, Sacramento, Minnesota and the Clippers. I could easily see the young Thunder team only picking up a couple of wins down the stretch, but let’s give them three, and they finish at 16-66. The Clippers are currently 13-42, and they finish with 14 at home and 13 on the road. Part of their road package is a 6 game in 9 day set at Detroit, Toronto, Boston, New York, San Antonio and Houston (good luck with that one, boys). But they do get the Warriors, Bobcats, Grizzlies, Pacers, Wizards, T-Wolves, Kings and Thunder at home. Five wins sound about right? 18-64. Memphis "trails" the pack at 15-40, with 10 home games and a whopping 17 road games, where they are currently 3-21. They get the Thunder and the Wizards at home, and they visit the Clippers, T-Wolves, and Kings. Three wins makes them 18-64.
Now this exercise is purely mostly conjecture. In fact, I would think that each of these teams figures out a way to win an additional game or two over my projections. But it does show that the margin between the 1st slot and 5th slot is razor thin. And remember, the 1st slot could pick as low as 4th, and the 5th slot could pick as low as 8th. For all of the Griffin/Rubio talk, we could wind up discussing guys that have been rarely or not mentioned around these parts. Guys like Jordan Hill, Earl Clark, Al-Forouq Aminu, and Willie Warren. Guys that (no offense intended towards these young men) would change our outlook for the future from this to this.
Hmpf. I’m not nearly as optimistic as I was when I started this process. I need something to turn my frown upside down.
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Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm
I am not listening. Just putting my fingers in my ears, humming, and playing the lottery draft machine. We pick first, we pick first, we pick first.
"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke
by SavageBeast on Feb 22, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1 Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 22, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'll see your optimism
and raise you a K-Mart 4pt play.
This team wins 20 games.
There, I said it.
And with the 5th pick in the 2009 NBA draft, Sacramento selects…
(furiously hopes no one hunts down my pre-season win total prediction)
I think section investigated
and the low guess was 23
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 22, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know the percentage but there are many times (maybe too many) where the worst record team lost the 1st pick. So finishing 30th instead of 27th won’t make much of a difference.
This is going to be Petrie’s career challenge and although we have lost a little bit of faith in his trade skills the last few years, my faith in his drafting skill is really really high… still.
A showdown of the lowdown
I have been posting a diary of this as The Amazing (disg)Race
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2009/1/24/735487/the-amazing-disg-race
I've been worried about that after the Grizz game
I know it was just one game but I think this team is going to get a little bit better from now on. I give the Kings 7 more wins because I’m full of optimism. My optimism doesn’t help our lottery chance though so I better be wrong…
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
The worst team doesn't usually pick first for some reason
But they also can’t pick worse than first. I’m calling us getting 5 more wins this season and finishing at 17-65 with the Wiz at the worst and the Thunder either tied with us or at 18.
The worst team doesn't usually pick first for some reason
But they do have the best odds of picking first. The reason they often don’t is because you are weighing their changes against the rest of the lottery teams combined. If you want to pick first, you still want to have the worst record. Just saying.
"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke
Savage's probability stuff makes sense, but...
it doesn’t take into account which envelope Stern is going to freeze because he wants a certain team to get the #1.
:)
Welcome to the NBA
where cold envelopes happen!!
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
brrrrrrr.........
the other reason to get the worst record is not just to improve your chances of number 1. It solidifies your chance of getting no worse than #4.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 22, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
True
Though I did a little research in a past fanpost and found out that in the last 10 years only 2 teams have gotten the number 1 pick after having the wost record the previous year.
No getting worse than 4th pick is definitely something to think about though
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
Well actually...
If Stern really wants to “stake his reputation” in keeping the Kings in SacTown, maybe he’ll give us the pick this year! And makes sure Rubio comes over by secretly buying him out of his contract! And then telling LeBron to come here! YAY!
there is no way chris paul remains in NO after Shinn...
…showed he is not committed to a championship.
The Chandler move was a deep betrayal.
We can get CP3 in Sac. We can get CP3 in Sac. We can get CP3 in Sac.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Fat chance
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 22, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Hahahahah
Nice front picture, Section214. The K9 and Nocioni duo will henceforth be dubbed “Scooby and Shaggy.”
That intro was just fabulous,
loved it.
by passionforPERPS on Feb 22, 2009 2:39 PM PST reply actions
Optimism is knowing that we have Kenny Natt coaching our team.
By the time he figures how to work 7 new players into the rotation Webber will have already gotten the #1 envelope.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
One of the finest and most informative posts I have ever had the pleasure of reading.
Section214, you have broken it down nicely. What you are saying is that even at losing, we are not doing a good enough job. Or as Coach Knatt says, “we don’t play smart.” If that isn’t the dumbest reply to a question about the pitfalls and perils of an NBA team, I don’t know what is. How about being a bit more specific? Like…Our point guard is trying his hardest, but gets outplayed every night. We are doing our best to recover from the lingering stench of Brad Miller. Not sure if the stench he left was the smell of total loser, or the fact that he spilled his bong in the locker room in his hurry to get out the door.
Anyway, back on topic. We have as good a chance as anyone for that first overall slot. The team needs to start " playing smarter" and use the youth of the team to sharpen their skills as well as reduce the chances of winning. We need to see what the group of scrubs we got in our blockbuster trades can do. There is no reason to wear out a K Mart or a Garcia. Lets let them start and then play limited minutes. Give the youngsters the ball and improve our chances for a lottery miracle !!
Besides, Hawes really, really needs the minutes on the floor. He regressed a bit in the 3 weeks before Miller left, and he needs to get out on the floor and really polish up his game and get some (personal) success that he can take into next season. Hawes is going to have to bulk up a lot in the off season, so I am glad he isn’t going to be working out with Miller. Chewing and spitting tobacco while shooting deer isn’t a workout regimen that ever worked for Miller. Hawes is going to have to get a lot stronger upper and lower body, while increasing his stamina. He is going to have to seriously dedicate himself to total body improvement. Great thing is he seems like a kid that has the self motivation necessary to do what he needs to get done. He has all the basketball talent he needs to succeed and be a very good center. But he needs to maximize his physical attributes in order to compete with the Tough, Strong centers in the west. His inside scoring will improve dramatically when he can take a bump and still make a layup or hook shot. His rebounding will improve when he can fight for position under the hoop and compete. Right now, Hawes misses inside shots because he is looking for a foul call that he will rarely get in the NBA. He has to play through the bumps and grabs. Right now, Hawes gets moved out of the post too easily by bigger but smaller players. He is having to play with bad position because he is physically being moved out of the spots he needs to be in to rebound and score around the rim.
I have cut the Mouth and Nose out of my Paper Bag, but I am contemplating not cutting out any EYE HOLES so I don't have to watch this mess at all...
The time has come...

I am hoping for lots of close losses. Keep the games close to keep effort high, but keep padding the loss column.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
With all this rain up here in Chico my septic system has started to fail
and I’m looking at a bill of around $12k or more to replace the leech field. Strangely……………………………………….this has affected me less than Section’s post regarding the realities of the draft and the thought that the Kings might draft 5th or higher. Ouch. All our arguments regarding Rubio and Griffin might be for nothing and on draft night we’ll all be hoping that nobody has drafted Thabeeeeeeet with the 7th pick.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
History repeats itself
Look at all the speculation regarding Marion,Chandler,Stoudemare… Nobody predicted the trade to Chicago. It wasn’t even on the map.
I prefer to wait for the Ping Pong balls to fall and then begin speculation as I fear Petrie has got plans beyond our scope of knowledge.
by nothingbutnet on Feb 23, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
I
think in the end, the Kings get a top 3 pick. I think the Thunder will get a little better during the year (Durant’s balling like crazy, Jeff Green’s doing well, Westbrook’s getting better) and finish behind the Kings. The only team I think might finish ahead of the Kings for the worst record is the Wizards.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Don't forget the Clippers
I’m terrified of the other LA team and how bad they are.
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
I am with you E7 - as bad as the Kings are
The Clippers are appalling. Truly embarrasing as they have no excuse. You have to point a finger (pick which one) at Mike Dunleavy.
The Kings have inadequate talent, the Wizards insurmontable injuries – the Clippers just plain suck.
Hell yes they scare me. I know I won’t get to chose, but I could stomach the Wiz or even the OKays getting the #1 but please not the Clippers
by betweentheeyes on Feb 22, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
The funny thing is that
every time I think about the Clips getting the number 1 pick I think about Mike Dunleavy picking someone like Tyler Hansbrough to completely screw up the pick.
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
If all IS fixed
Stern will not embarass the league by getting the Clippers #1.
If they get it – all questions of fixing are over.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 22, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Hahaha
Love the Kenny Thomas/Scooby comparison.
"I think girls are probably just better shooters." - Steve Novak
I'm not too worried about this team
But, uhm, apparently everyone else is. I try to let this stuff sort itself out. You can’t actually control what pick you have after all. There is no guarantee having the 7th pick is that much different than the 4th pick this year. There is also no guarantee if you have the worst record that you would get the 1st overall pick this year.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
What, no hat tip?
I guess insane minds think alike.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 22, 2009 9:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Is it too safe to say
That if the Kings ended up winning 10-12 more games this season, and still ended up with the 1st overall pick, would be the best possible situation for this team?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Best case scenario
No doubt in my mind
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
Absolutely
If we could play near .500 ball with what essentially amounts to a skeleton crew and still land Rubio I’d be happy as hell.
www.mancancook.net
Not giving up the Rubio dream are we?
Read the nugget HT found.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I think
Rubio is an amazing player, I don’t care how people think his game transfers to the NBA, but I am pretty sure passing the rock always transfers. He could be the next Jason Kidd. I feel that is the best comparison.
Hope
by Ultrakingsfan on Feb 23, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Jason Kidd was a lockdown defender.
I just don’t see that in Rubio. Yes, I realize that he’s young (and I’ve admittedly only watched 2 games of his plus the Olympics), but I think it’s a poor comparison.
Actually, both Coach K, LBJ and Kobe commented during the Olympics that Rubio was...
already a great defender for his age and a good defender whatever age was to be considered.
Hopefully, his defensive prowess will continue to grow and he’ll be an even better defender than Kidd. If not, he’ll be another Thabo Sefolosha (without the mad passing skills)
obviously rubio would bring excitment
We do’nt need him. We just need a team that has an identity, a brand like we had 8 years ago. We want to stand out even if we suck. We don’t need a top three pick we just need to be exciting and unpredictable like we were in 98. Eventually the wins will come. I hope Petrie can bring in Boozer as a vet/mentor the same way vlade was.
Did you just compare Vlade Divac to Carlos Boozer??
There it is… we are done.
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
Completely off the subject,
but can someone give me the “You Tube link that was listed the other day "Damn Mad” I can’t find it and wanted to share it with friends.
Thanks in advance if you can be of help.

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