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The news out of Spain last month was that Rubio's team DKV Joventut had unilaterally decided to double his salary on the year, from 80,000 Euro to 160,000. This is obviously an attempt to get his pay closer in line with what his value is to the team, as he's clearly their most important player. There's been some talk that Rubio's contract would not hold up in court if challenged, as a 6 million Euro buyout is obviously not proportionate to an 80,000 Euro contract. It's highly unlikely that it would get to that, though. According to David Carro, the Spanish partner of Rubio's NBA agent, Dan Fegan, who we spoke with here at the Copa del Rey, there is "still a chance that Rubio could find his way into this year's draft." Negotiations are reportedly underway to lower his buyout to more manageable proportions, possibly 3-4 million Euro. A solution could come as early as "this month" Carro told us, and in that case, Rubio would be able to afford getting out of his contract if he were to be "a top-3 pick" (which he very likely is), as long as he could pay off the buyout over the course of his rookie deal. Asked why Joventut would have any reason to even negotiate considering the leverage they hold in this situation, Carro responded that Rubio is the "image of the team" and that they "would not want to have a mad player." Obviously the door has yet to be completely closed on Ricky Rubio and this year's NBA draft, so we'll have to stay tuned.

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Good news for us

But we have to get the top 3 pick first.

by Aykis16 on Feb 22, 2009 8:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

If we end up with the worst record in the league

We have about a 50% chance at hitting one of the top 2.

by CloudyEyes on Feb 22, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The day Rubio declares for the 09 draft

will make my month. Still crossing my fingers.

It looks like Rubio and his agent are making attempts to get a buyout. Joventut is unsure of what to do, since they raised his salary unilaterally (obviously to tempt him to stay), then saying they wouldn’t want an angry Ricky Rubio on their team.

by CloudyEyes on Feb 22, 2009 8:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just another twist in a field full of them

Keep expecting that until an announcement is made. I thought the notes on his abilities were far more interesting myself. (I’m not shocked to hear Rubio is trying to negotiate a lower buyout.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 22, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely a must read

I’m with you Pookie. I really liked the breakdown on his abilities and was also cool to read what some NBA scouts think of him.

"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops

by eduardo_m7 on Feb 22, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I personally thought it was funny

that he was described as a “white” guy.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 22, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, thought it was funny too

I really like the fact that he’s been more of a playmaker but is still willing to take it to the rack and score when the team needs it (as mentioned in the article).

Yes, it looks like his jumpshot is suspect but that’s one of the reasons I see him on this team. We have scorers, we don’t need a PG that scores a lor. He would just facilitate the offense and make sure those scorers are getting the ball in high percentage places. That’s my biggest thing about Rubio.

“11.5 assist per-40 pace adjusted” in a league that is not know for high scoring… come on now

"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops

by eduardo_m7 on Feb 22, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe KMart can help him with his jumpshot when he gets here.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Feb 22, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh god

Have you seen KMarts jumpshot?

Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
'spect da 'xtra E'

by iashwash on Feb 23, 2009 4:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but I didn't think anyone would take me seriously

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Feb 23, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

eh

good point. my bad.

Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
'spect da 'xtra E'

by iashwash on Feb 23, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really like the fact that he's only 18 right now

He’s growing, has a great sense for the court, is popular, smart enough to understand English already (it’s not like he plays with Spanish speaking only players), and, he’s so young. He’s not even 19. He wouldn’t even be 19 until the very end of training camp. Cmon, if you can’t get your head around why he would potentially be more valuable to the KIngs than Blake Griffin, then well, I can’t help you. If he turns out to be Steve Nash in a few seasons, with more defensive ability, then ummm, how isn’t that infinitely more valuable? (Note: The Steve Nash with defense comparison is my hope.)

There are quite a few people who really like Rubio. Apparently that GM is not one of them. (I would not be shocked if that GM happened to be Rick Sund or Chris Wallace.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 22, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

correct me please if I am mistaken

but doesn’t the NBA have an age limit? Does this effect Senor Rubio?

by betweentheeyes on Feb 22, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No 1 year out of HS, but
A player who is eligible for a draft must be at least 19 during the calendar year of that draft

From guess where? LMCoon’s Salary Cap FAQ

Rubio turns 19 in November, I believe and thus is eligible for this year’s draft.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 23, 2009 5:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are wrong about one thing

Rubio’s birthday is in October! Get it right you friggin Korean!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 23, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just admit it

Korean’s suck. :)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 23, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Nash with defense would be a wet dream

He will be good, period. How good? That’s TBD. But he will be a quality player for many years. The article says he’s the best pick n roll player in the world right now. Can you imagine pick n rolls with him and Shock? Those Malone comparisons to Shock may just come to fruition.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 23, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The article may say he's the best pink-n-roll player in the world, but

do you really believe it? Hype? Does the pick-n-roll really work that well if the PG running it has a questionable jump shot? That comment doesn’t seem to pass the sniff test.

Do you think NO or Utah would rather have him running the point when they draw up a pick-n-roll? Phoenix?

by cabz on Feb 23, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

pink-n-roll

< snicker >

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Feb 23, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His jump shot just needs work

But I think it eventually ends up okay. When it comes down to it, he’ll hit that open jumper. So if a defense ends up doubling whoever sets the pick and leave him open he’ll nail it.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 23, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with his jump shot

Is that he shoots it very slowly with his feet set and doesn’t jump. He can’t shoot off the dribble. It’s not a simple matter of just practicing to make sure it goes in more — his mechanics are deeply flawed and I don’t know that he’ll really be able to get better. The only way he can really shoot right now is if he’s wide wide open.

It’s not just ugly-but-effective like KMart’s, but actually very problematic.

by nbrans on Feb 23, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

his mechanics are deeply flawed I don’t know that he’ll really be able to get better.

Dude’s not even 19 yet. I think he’s got time to change the mechanics on his jump shot.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Feb 23, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Not many people successfully change their jump shot this late in the game.

by nbrans on Feb 23, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

truth

lots and lots get better – they reinvent thier shots from scratch.

The smart ones do, they figure out a way.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've reinvented my shot on the court

and my bowling shot as well – and I’m well into my forties.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and that's definitely the exception.

How many NBA players can you name that completely changed the mechanics of their jumper after the time they started playing college ball?

Can you name anyone that’s gone from having a slow, set release to having a quick release on their shot?

by cabz on Feb 24, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The X Factor

with Rubio is that, compared to Griffin or any other rookie the Kings could bring in next year, Rubio would absolutely re-energize the fan base. He would fill many thousands of seats at Arco, not to mention the merch.

Everything about the kid would sound like “Ka-ching” to Maloof Entertainment and the NBA.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 23, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If he busts

No one is going to care how much flair he plays with. The only way he’ll put butts in the seats is if he pans out.

by nbrans on Feb 23, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

Before he ever sets foot on the court the Kings would boost season ticket sales by a huge factor, and Rubio jerseys would be flying out the door.

Now, long term, yes, obviously he’d have to play well to keep up with the hype. But there’s no question that his marketing potential and his upside as an attraction is far more than any player in the ‘09 draft. In fact, it’s probably higher than any player to enter the NBA since LeBron.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 23, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a very strong point

I also think Dan Fegan (Rubio’s agent) is also playing the coy route knowing that nothing will be determined until a certain date anyway. Why not keep the drama, and the guessing games, until it’s time to declare?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 24, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Two words
No one is going to care how much flair he plays with. The only way he’ll put butts in the seats is if he pans out.

Jason Williams.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Feb 23, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's not the point.

I never was a fan of J-Will but the guy did sell tickets in Arco before he was traded. he moved a hell of a lot of jerseys, and he was still popular here long after he was traded.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 24, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Griifin will bring in fans

lets not get crazy – studs bring in fans

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not to labor the point...

and don’t get me wrong… I’m not sure I wouldn’t take Griffin over anybody in this draft.

BUT it seems obvious to me that because of the combination of his charismatic, hyper-dynamic style of play, his youth, and (no small thing) the fact that he’s a native speaker of Spanish, Rubio has through-the-roof marketing appeal that frankly no other recent player can match.

I’m not saying the Kings should draft him just for that reason. But Rubio will be a top three pick anyway, and you’ve just gotta believe that as low as this franchise has sunk, as demoralized as the fan-base is, and with the economy in the tank, the Maloofs would be crazy not to take all that into consideration.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 24, 2009 12:50 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

To use an example...

USC QB Mark Sanchez is huge in LA. Bigger than Matt Leinert.

He’s a third-generation Mexican American (born & raised in LA), and dude didn’t even speak Spanish very well (took classes at USC so he could do interviews without an interpreter), but the Hispanic Community totally got behind him.

His wikipedia page mentions him in the same breath as Oscar De La Hoya & Fernando Valenzuela, and the LA Times wrote an article about how he’s considered a role model for children & the community itself.

Did I mention he only started for one season?

Mucho speaks the truth.

by smgmatt on Feb 24, 2009 7:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And what market is the least tapped in the Sacramento area?

Mucho speaks double the truth available. At least on this.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 24, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Caucasian

Basically I think all racial classifications are bogus, but the fact is that most Spaniards are Caucasians.

By the looks of the photos and clips that I’ve seen, Rubio would seem to fall into that majority classification. In other words, he’s as much a “white guy” as any other European,. And more so than say, me, since my grandmother was a quarter Cherokee). Anyway, whatever.

By the way, “rubio” means fair-skinned, fair-haired en Español.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 23, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the above comment was meant

as a reply to Pookey (up yonder). I’ll see if I can get it right this time.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 23, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Caucasian

Basically I think all racial classifications are bogus, but the fact is that most Spaniards are Caucasians.

By the looks of the photos and clips that I’ve seen, Rubio would seem to fall into that majority classification. In other words, he’s as much a "white guy" as any other European,. And more so than say, me, since my grandmother was a quarter Cherokee). Anyway, whatever.

By the way, "rubio" means fair-skinned, fair-haired en Español.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 23, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh hell, never mind...

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 23, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

You got it right both times. If you’re not sure click the little [up] button. It will take you “up” to the post you replied to.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 23, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

thanks, kfan!

I’ll get the hang of this stuff yet! 8>P

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 23, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kfan is correct (as he usually is much of the time)

But, to answer your points regarding Rubio’s race classification, I think it’s an important point. White guy is more or less an American distinction. Rubio is a white kid if he was over here more or less, right? I don’t really think it makes that much of a difference.

I do think the point that he IS NOT a white guy is important. He isn’t American, and therefore, that classification doesn’t apply. (Where as me? It applies.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 24, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, what?

I’ve read this post three times and I truly don’t understand what it is you’re trying to get across on this one, pookey.

You say “… Rubio is a white kid if he was over here more or less” and then two sentences later “…the point that he IS NOT a white guy is important. He isn’t American, and therefore, that classification doesn’t apply”.

Again, issues about race and ethnicity can be complex and because the world is the way it is they’re often very sensitive. Personally, I think it risks needlessly offending someone and/or looking foolish to even go there, and if you do… tread carefully.

And I also think it’s probably not a good idea for “white guys” to make a call on other people’s racial identity for them. Like if Tiger Woods considers himself a “black guy” or identifies as an Asian American or as multi-racial or as all of the above, or none of the above, it’s all good by me.

But since you not only brought it up, and since you insist on doubling down instead of folding (“…I think it’s an important point”), I just want to make sure I understand what that point is.

You say that Rubio isn’t “a white guy” because he’s not an American, and therefore that classification doesn’t apply. But you don’t dispute that, like most Spaniards and Europeans in general, he’s a Caucasian, right?

Let me ask you this. Is Pau Gasol a “white guy”? What about Peja Stojakovic? What does the “more or less” in your sentence “… Rubio is a white kid if he was over here more or less” mean?

I’m interested in how you make the distinction and why.

By the way, the reply: “hmm… on further reflection, I’m not really sure what the hell I’m talking about on this one” is perfectly OK.

   

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 24, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My point was simple

I’ll try restating it. Ricky Rubio is a Spaniard. I doubt Spain has that classification since in general race has not made the greatest impact in Spain’s history. (Or at least i don’t think it hasn’t. I’m also not a Spanish history major.) The point I’m making is that I doubt Rubio has ever been classified ON OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS as “caucasian” like I"m sure more than a few of us here have. (For whatever it’s worth I really hate that question. I really really REALLY hate that question. Then again, I hate affirmative action. For a variety of reasons.) That’s why I classify the whole “white guy” term as an American issue. Largely, because it is.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 24, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well,

in fact race has made a big impact on the history of Spain (which is much, much, much older than ours); just like it has pretty much everywhere in the world.

For example, as anyone who’s ever visited The Alhambra well knows, Spain was lifted up out of the European Dark Ages by the advanced culture of the Moors, the Muslim African people who ruled in the south for some 500 years, bringing science, architecture, mathematics, astronomy, etc.

After that, of course Spain was the first European nation to colonize the Western Hemisphere (hence all sorts of Spanish words like “Sacramento” and "California"), and Imperial Spain was deeply involved in the African slave trade.

And of course in more modern times, from the 1930’s until the 1970’s Spain was largely isolated from the rest of the world while under the rule of the fascist dictator, Generalissimo Franco.

Today there are lots of ethnic and cultural distinctions in Spain, many of which are a source of serious tension within the country. For example Basques and Catalonians have strong separatist movements, some of which have radical and violent factions; and Gypsies as well as other people with darker skin are routinely discriminated against.

And like everywhere else in Europe the Spanish are coping with immigration from Turkey, Northern Africa and other places.

Basically the larger point here is that what you and I don’t know about the history of racial attitudes in Spain could fill volumes.

You said:

I personally thought it was funny
that he was described as a "white" guy

I didn’t understand why you thought it was funny, and I still don’t. Ricky Rubio may very well consider himself to be “white”, (as I pointed out, the Spanish word for this idea more or less is "rubio"), or he might not. Personally I couldn’t care less.

But I do know there’s always a good chance that a “joke” about somebody else’s race or ethnicity can be badly misunderstood, especially when it involves limited knowledge of the subject.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 24, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

All the things you mention are interesting MM

Not going to argue that they aren’t. What I was saying, though, is that Americans classify themselves by race which is not something that happens in Europe. Every country has racial tensions. They’re just a bit different than the problems here.

Still, I contend that Rubio is not a white guy in Spain like he would be considered there.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 25, 2009 3:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Something else to get out of this article

The custom-made Nikes he’s wearing. Could easily mean he has some endorsements waiting for him in the US, making the buyout situation and him declaring much more feasible

"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops

by eduardo_m7 on Feb 22, 2009 9:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yup yup (good call on the Nike aspect)

I think alot of people are thinking that Rubio might get a lot of endorsements from the US side of things (and he may), but I think it’s important to note that Rubio might get even more endorsements from Europe if he goes pro to the NBA. (It would definitely make paying off the buyout that much easier.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 22, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Especially if they can extend the buy out for his entire rookie contract.

I’m not up on currency exchange rates, but isn’t $160K euros about $200K US. And, if the buyout is over 4 yrs at say $1M per yr. then the kid gets about a $3.5M raise since the Kings will pick up $500K of his buyout. And, then there’s the fact that he’ll have uncle Cisco & uncle Noc to look after him until he turns 21.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Feb 23, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There's a conversion calculator

I always use this one from Yahoo. (Any economist’s in the house who suggest something else, please do so. Or, hell, any financial analyst guru.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 23, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully that turns out better

than uncle Brad looking after Spencer

by LPKingsFan on Feb 23, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or, conversely, more difficult

If his shoe contract isn’t up for renegotiation soon.

by nbrans on Feb 23, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Its still sounds hit or miss

that he’ll come out.
Some good stuff there though, they love his ball handling, love his zone D, love his playmaking/vision, hate his man to man D, hate his shooting.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 10:38 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

FYI Pookey - kfan is NOT Korean

as he’s told you several times.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

FYI

Don’t explain things to me when you don’t understand why I’m saying them.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 23, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pook

was just waiting for someone to say something about the Korea bit above so that he could lay into them.

Pook – It’s a public forum, many of us don’t get the inside jokes, and if they seem like they are on a sensitive matter, one of us might say something, you know?

by DustyG on Feb 23, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True

but LTTG even said

as he’s told you several times.

He knows the Pookey says it a lot so it should be obvious that he is only joking.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 23, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If the Kings learn to play team defense , he would be such a liability

As far as him coming out, when his buyout was $8M US, I didn’t believe he’d do it either. Now, if they can negotiate it in half & pay it off over his 4yr rookie contract, then I don’t think it will be that big of an issue. I’m not familar with his life style, and at one time I questioned if he would be willing to leave his family and country at such a early age. But, $3.5M US is a lot to turn your back on.

I don’t go along the authors opinion that his team might do the deal just to not have an angry player on the team. These european teams are money makers and investments. If they can’t get $8M from Rubio to let him go, their probably reduce his buyout just because they’ll make more money letting him go, then they’ll ever make because he’s on their team. If he’s worth an extra $100K to them playing for the team, he’d have to play for their team for 25Yrs. to make up for the $4-5M they’d get from his buyout.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Feb 23, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

First of all, that's a big IF

but… how would he be a liability? His defense is fantastic

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 23, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well not fantastic

During the Gold Medal game, the 1st play after CP3 entered the game, he blow past Rubio for a layup. Rubio plays a gambling kind of man to man, taking advantage of his long arms & quick hands. Most of his steals come from BB IQ and the ability to play the passing lanes. Just, my opinion, I see him as a Cisco type of defender. Steals and Blocks from behind, but not able to stay in front of faster PG’s.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Feb 23, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention

They switched to a zone when CP3 was in the game so Rubio wouldn’t have to guard him man to man.

by nbrans on Feb 23, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rubio got hurt about the same time.

He hurt is wrist on the play before. And, he came out to have his wrist iced and later taped. I’m sure the injury severly limited his abilities, since it eventually required surgury. So, with Calderon out & Rubio injured, zone was probably their best option.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Feb 23, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They played all man

Except when Paul was in the game, which is when they switched to zone. I don’t see what a wrist injury has anything to do with it.

by nbrans on Feb 23, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No your right

Rubio didn’t get in front of Paul & he didn’t use his hand to reach out and try to steal the ball. I cant read his mind, so I dont know wether Paul was just too fast for him, or his hand was hurting too badly, for him to risk it getting hurt more.

What I do know is that he went out immediately afterward and got treatment for the wrist. So, from my perspective, I’ll give him a pass on that one.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Feb 24, 2009 1:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Rubio over Griffin, just becaue it is so much harder to get a PG than a PF

these days. It used to be in reverse, but the only positions College/AAU baskettball teach are how to be a swingman or a power forward. That’s why there is such a premium on defensive minded centers and point guards, because these skills just aren’t being learned anymore.

Also Griffin would definitely be the best big on our team, however, the upgrade from JT to Griffin is much smaller than the upgrade from Beno to any competent PG.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Feb 23, 2009 12:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Timing details?

when would Rubio’s contract issues need to be cleared up to declare for the draft? is it at the same time as kids in college? is it different due to his professional status overseas?

by sactoreg on Feb 23, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Soon

all these complications!
 - most lottery teams are not going to want to take a chance on him not coming over soon (maybe ever – though thats unlikely). I believe he’d have to declare by Mid May if he wants to be a top three/four pick and make clear assurances that he is indeed coming.

Further, if he doesn’t reassure teams in the top four, he could slide quite a way (maybe).

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

Certain GMs don’t mind waiting for a European player to come over. Geoff Petrie is one of those GMs. Add to that the fact that the Maloofs want to save money. So if Rubio declares for the draft with the intention of coming in a year or two then it’ll be no problem for Petrie, who is super patient, or the Maloofs, who won’t have to pay him until he comes.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 23, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there typically a clause

that allows the Kings to back out should he get injured playing in Europe?

by nothingbutnet on Feb 23, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He would be drafted but wouldn't have a contract until he comes over.

So, they would always have his rights. But, If he had a career ending injury, it would be a wasted draft pick.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Feb 23, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Does Rubio need to declare to draft his rights if he's not coming right away?

"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops

by eduardo_m7 on Feb 23, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes - he needs to declare

the year he wants to be drafted in.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Which he will likely do this year

It really makes no sense if he’s going to be drafted top 3. He knows he can wait to come over if he wants to. So there’s no reason for him not to declare and get drafted.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 23, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure there is a problem

some teams may not want to pick him that high if he’s not coming.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I’ve always wondered. I’m one of those that wouldn’t mind him staying another year in Europe as long as we have his rights.

"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops

by eduardo_m7 on Feb 23, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank the lord that Petrie agrees with you there

They've done studies you know: 60% of the time, it works every time.

by submison on Feb 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They were selling out seats at ARCO then

even though they weren’t winning.

It IS a business – gotta put assess in the seats.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

RU-BEE-OOOOOOOOOOO!

Let’s go all Euro baby!

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Feb 23, 2009 1:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Every time I read his name I’m yelling it like, “Ru-fi-O!” in my mind, at least until this last time when it was “Roo, Roo, Rubio” like Phil Collins

I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken

by joeytothelimit on Feb 23, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how this craze with the Europeans...

has conquered the NBA world but as a European I hate it!

Even now.. I can envision. D.J Augustin passing by Rubio with one simple crossover, driving to the hoop and getting blocked my Monster Spence.

The only good thing about Rubio is that Hawes will increase his blocks per game. The guy is slower than Beno.

“I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them.” – Alonzo Mourning on winning the Defensive Player of the Year award

by ZenBaller on Feb 23, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Other than Holiday, who in college wouldn't D.J. get around?

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Feb 23, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He would get around Holiday too.

Just saying. Holiday got benched Saturday against WSU in favor of another freshman (Malcolm Lee) because his D is still a work in progress. The good thing is that he does try on the defensive end, and has a lot of the physical gifts necessary to be a good defender, but he’s still got a lot to learn in terms of technique/strategy.

He’s had some great performances on D and some absolute stinkers.

by cabz on Feb 23, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It does sound like from the article

that his man was going right by him in man to man situations. Though its a little fuzzy on it.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So much for the hope of....

Steve Nash plus defense.

by cabz on Feb 23, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But...

then it talks about him getting benched and coming back in and played great. Plus, he had 6 steals. Something to note about the Nash comparisons:

It’s exactly this type of court vision and feel for the game that has produced comparisons to Steve Nash, even if their perimeter shooting and defensive skills couldn’t be any more different.

They’re comparing him to Nash even though his defense is way better but his perimeter shooting is much worse. The kid’s an excellent defender. Also, read two paragraphs above the picture of his shoes where it talks about his defense and how he reads the passing lanes. Yeah, he got beat a lot in the first quarter of this game they’re talking about, but overall his defense is great.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 23, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Talking about reading passing lanes is talking about Zone D

not man to man

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But...

His man to man D can easily be worked on with the right coaching. A lot of defense comes down to effort and hustle. He’ll have plenty of time to work on his man to man defense. When it comes down to it you can’t pass this kid up if he’s there when we draft. His natural gifts, at the age of 18, far outweigh any negatives that he can work on as he develops.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 23, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

someone is in looooove

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a player who has supposedly been playing 'pro' ball

since he was 15. Can’t play man to man? (if true) Worrisome.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Watch out

That magic word we all love might be applied in this situation. :)

Mambo King

by otis29 on Feb 23, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They're only playing other Spanish teams

they didn’t win enough to stay in the Euro League. So, their not even playing against the best european players. Let along the best in the NBA. Everything about Rubio is related to his hands. Great ballhandler who can dribble through traffic and either dish or finish at the rim. Defense is the same. He relies on long arms and quick hands. He’s not going to rely on pure foot speed to stay with his man.

But, if you look at the NBA game. How many players are able to create their own dribble, and go around people? There are a few. But, more often than not, the drive starts with a Pick or Screen. In most cases, the quality of the defense depends more on how the player, who’s man is setting the screen, reacts then to the overall foot speed of the player guarding the ball handler.

I can’t say for sure, that Rubio will thrive at both ends of the floor. But, offensively his playmaking will stablize the offense & reduce turnovers. He will be that player that makes everyone else better. His defense won’t dominate, but he’ll be good enough and should play even better than Cisco.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Feb 23, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I like Rubio.

But if he were to join the Kings, we need a coach who can make it all work. Sticking Ricky in this mess isn’t going to do anyone any favors.

A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...

by Jaycee on Feb 23, 2009 2:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

My tops

1. Avery Johnson
2. Eddie Jordan

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Feb 23, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Avery's tough

because he’s really hard on his PGs. He takes credit for Devin Harris but he really didn’t help Harris’ career. Eddie Jordan would be great though

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 23, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I never got a good hit watching Avery coach

but I don’t really know

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My tops

1. Tom Thibodeau
2. Jeff Van Gundy
3. Doug Collins

Thibodeau has been teaching defense for 15yrs and been successful on every NBA team he’s been with

Van Gundy’s know defense & since Stan isn’t available, I’ll take my chances with Jeff. The little guy is hard to watch sometimes. But, he sweats bullets working the sidelines, so I like his spirit.

I’ve always like Collins since his time in Chicago, & I can listen to his analysis all day. He did a great job at the Olympics by the way.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Feb 23, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd prefer Thibodeau

part of the reason Van Gundy’s defense is so great is because he had Thibodeau. So I’d prefer him or Eddie Jordan. I think Thibodeau as head coach working on defense with Coachie coordinating the offense would be an excellent combination.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 23, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This really dates me

but I saw Doug Collins play in Stockton against UOP when he was the leading scorer in the NCAA, playing for Illinois State. I think he scored his per usual 35 pts. that night, but the TIgers prevailed.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 23, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh my god

You’re so old Jesus AND God are jealous.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 24, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

…and wise too!

;>)

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 24, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Mario Elie

speaks fluent Spanish, as well as French and Portugese (hear that, NeNe?).

And he has a degree in human relations, FWIW.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 23, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And the greatest kiss of death heard round the world

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 24, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Paul Silas?

Eddie Jordan?

They’d be my guesses

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 23, 2009 6:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Buy one get one free fish taco night at Rubio's....

This is the real reason why I am pulling for Ricky.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Feb 23, 2009 7:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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