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NBA Unveils a Massive Kings Arena Plan for Cal Expo

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Folks have preached patience, and I'm on board for that. But today the NBA unveiled the plan, a $1.9 billion project incorporating an arena, a brand new Cal Expo, hotels, retail, condos, office space ... everything. It's a massive, massive plan when everything in the world is shrinking. The sentiment coming from the league is (yes) patience -- John Moag said they'll spend a year talking to developers and waiting for the economy to rebound. Shovels will stay in the shed for a while.

But the sheer daunting size of this thing is going to make it harder on the Kings, NBA and Cal Expo than it needs to be.

That $1.9 billion figure comes from the Sacramento Business Journal, and accounts for the entire 8 million square foot Cal Expo site. SBJ has the arena and exposition itself costing $500-600 million, which is on par with the previously discussed (and preferred by most) downtown project. Of course, Cal Expo was supposed to be cheaper and, well, easier. At first blush, it's not cheaper nor easier.

Sam Amick quotes the independent economist as calling the NBA's cost and revenue projections "optimstic" and saying that "this particular project has problems in terms of feasibility."

Cal Expo has posted presentations from Moag and the economist.

Again, I'm on board with the patience train. But a reader emailed me a note that makes a point that's hard to ignore:

Huge overreach. They royally blew it. They have guaranteed intervention on the part of the Legislature.
 
Proponents of an arena in that area should be very upset today. We asked the NBA to come back with a commuter car, they came back with a Lamborghini. Oops.

Remember, the state owns Cal Expo. Gov. Schwarzenegger has been supportive in the past, but he and the Legislature don't always agree. (Fancy that.) In particular, state Assemblyman Dave Jones (who sits on the Cal Expo board in a non-voting role) has been (and will be) critical of any effort to build an arena at Cal Expo. If the Legislature is required to agree the a bond sale by Cal Expo to finance this thing, you can bet he'll be rallying troops against it. If the plan is flimsy or risky, he'll find more sympathetic ears.

If you go big like this, the reward's greater. These Disneyland allusions and the "city within a city" talk could someday come true. But if it doesn't -- and in Sacramento, there's always a chance it doesn't -- then the fall will be so magnificently huge that the league might never recover around here.

If any piece of this falls short, the whole shebang could crumble. As such, the NBA is taking a massive risk here. But hey ... the Kings can find a new home if it all falls apart. Sacramento getting another pro sports team ... that's a different story.

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1.9 Billion?? Crap.

Mambo King

by otis29 on Feb 27, 2009 3:59 PM PST reply actions  

A-yep

Think of it this way: Griffin vs Thabeet. One will almost definitely be a quality NBA starter, but maybe never an All-Star and certainly never a Robert Swift. The other could end up as the greatest shotblocker in the NBA, or could end up as Saer Sene.

The NBA basically chose the Thabeet of arenas over Griffin for us.

by Tom Ziller on Feb 27, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Billion is the new Million

no problem. ;p

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 27, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

I think the last line sums it up best. If they don’t get this, they just move. Sad but realistic.

This plan though, is totally unrealistic. Especially in this economy, let alone this economy and being in Sacramento. I’d like to say I hope that they know something I don’t. Like the Maloofs contributed a lot to Obama’s campaign or something. Even then, it’s hard to root for such an overzealous plan if it’s using public money that really needs to used with discretion at this point.

But yeah, this kinda blows my mind.

AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.

by CAB on Feb 27, 2009 4:05 PM PST reply actions  

On a good note

They won’t be taking proposal for a year. Gives the Kings and the economy some time.

AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.

by CAB on Feb 27, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

The $500 mil is for both the arena AND the exhibition center

I am all for a real destination in Sac-town. About time. Between that and the railyard project the City could really grow up someday.

Don’t be frightened, it sounds like jobs jobs jobs in the area for years to come.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 27, 2009 4:09 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

can’t we just put it on our credit card? that’s how i bought my tv, couch, desk, computer, dog, wife, food, etc.

www.myspace.com/cynemamusic.com

by Cynema the Band on Feb 27, 2009 4:10 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd for great sexist humor

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 27, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Can someone sum up why downtown didn't work?

I don’t recall the reasons why, but I’d much prefer to see an arena there. The traffic on 80 is messed up enough as it is without adding this mess at Cal Expo.

I hadn’t bought into the Kings moving until NOW. Now…I just don’t see much hope of them being here 5 years from now, Arco is a dump and I don’t see a good way of replacing it at this point.

by Bitgod on Feb 27, 2009 4:12 PM PST reply actions  

$$$

The Maloofs tried to extract more money (or revenue control) than the city (which would be financing the lion’s share of the building through the sales tax increase) wanted.

by Tom Ziller on Feb 27, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't say I blame the city for that

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 27, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

It seems to early for this to be done

There is a good point about them waiting for the economy to start rebounding to really start this project. The economy will rebound, it always does. This project will be great if it’s start coincides with the upturn of the economy.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 27, 2009 4:22 PM PST reply actions  

I don't like being positive

But this is the type of thing that “could” help spur the very thing you speak of. It’s a risk. (I also think it’s not going to be the only proposal.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 27, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure you knew I was gonna go here Pookey, but...

with great risk comes great reward.

The economy will get better, period. It might be because of a stimulus package or tax cuts or building infrastructure. It might not be any of those things. But, the economy always gets better. This could be a huge part of that. How nice would it be for the Sacramento area to become kind of a cool place, instead of being the place directly in the middle of all the cool places?

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 27, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Sacramento is already a great place

The problem is that it doesn’t have a lot of casino’s or places for people to flock to as far as concerts are concerned. It was always about drawing more of the percentage of entertainment to Sacramento as far as the % of entertainment to the amount of people that lived in the area.

Personally, I think there are too many people who don’t agree with this deal. It should be interesting. (And for the record, it should have been done at the railyards. But whatever.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 28, 2009 3:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Seeing the forest from the trees

I actually think this is a great idea. They are not proposing a 1.9 billion dollar basketball arena. They are proposing a 1.9 billion dollar development project that includes major retail and residential construction. The sports arena/exhibition center just happens to be a part of it.
Plus, now tax dollars wont be going to an arena owned (and profited) by millionaires, it will be going toward the revitalization of a hurting neighborhood.
I think this has a much better chance of getting passed then another “pay to help build the Maloofs a new stadium” plan.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Feb 27, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

At least thats the spin I am putting on it

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Feb 27, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn'

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 28, 2009 3:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't expect anything less

from a guy who is a teacher architect. :P To quote a song I like (also because it came on the radio—because your’e going to hear this alot in the future):

I went back to ohio
But my city was gone
There was no train station
There was no downtown
South howard had disappeared
All my favorite places
My city had been pulled down
Reduced to parking spaces
A, o, way to go ohio

Well I went back to ohio
But my family was gone
I stood on the back porch
There was nobody home
I was stunned and amazed
My childhood memories
Slowly swirled past
Like the wind through the trees
A, o, oh way to go ohio

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 28, 2009 3:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Not only am I an architect...

…but I work with many public builders on massive development projects. That being said, it is pretty easy to see a success/failure coming. This project screams success. Think downtown redevelopment coming out of a recession. If I had any money left over (damn you stock market), I’d become a small investor. Get it approved, and it will be a HUGE success.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 1, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I fail to see how this project works from all angles in Cal Expo

In the railyards, and I would totally see it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Mar 1, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It's Over, They are Moving

This plan is such a ridiculous reach it slaps of trying to move the team. This is as bad as Clay Bennett asking Washington for $500 million as an excuse to leave. Except the offer now is $1.4 billion dollars more.

Lets see . . .
A) Seattle
B) Anaheim
C) Vegas
D) Kansas City

Before you bash me, I am a life long Kings fan who always wanted a new arena . . . but this puts the franchise staying in Sacramento on a prayer.

Even the proposal on paper doesn’t make sense. Major retail construction . . . Sacramento’s most profitable mall is already across the street! In fact, all of Arden has successfully been developed, except Expo . . . which according this plan Expo will try to compete against all those existing business.

by bignerd on Feb 27, 2009 4:41 PM PST reply actions  

I doubt it's over

This plan is certainly a reach though – thing is, the real dealbreaker for any plan is a public vote on funding. If they can avoid that, and show that the plan can generate necessary revenue and create necessary jobs, it could happen.

The amount is staggering IMO, but we have to know more about what’s involved before putting it on it’s deathbed.

Mambo King

by otis29 on Feb 27, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

The plan doesn’t work nor make sense. The area already has a heavy retail influx, lots of commercial buildings and several nice apartment complexes. Just an arena and upgrade to the fair grounds would have been a nice complement. Instead every business in the Arden area is going to cannibalize the plan because it puts them in competition with the Expo and literally won’t create new jobs . . . just move them across the street.

A plan that would work is putting just the arena in Expo. Put a minor sales tax on the neighboring area to recoup some revenue. The retail real estate in that area would skyrocket because an arena would deliver 15k paying customers 150+ events a year.

by bignerd on Feb 27, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what I can't understand

why can’t they just build the freaking arena without all of this other fluff? The whole “entertainment around the arena” has not shown to be a success in other cities. Anyways, there is already Arden which while certainly not a Times Square, it does have some ertertainment. It just annoys me that they keep going for the home run when I would be perfectly fine if they built if right next to Arco.

smell the ashes

by iamstern'skippah! on Feb 27, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

The Maloofs don't want to do that

Because then they lose the value of selling that land skippah.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 28, 2009 3:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Seeing some strange reactions

Did anyone really believe the NBA would come back with a proposal for “a commuter car”? This is a special situation where the NBA is putting it’s reputation on the line and you had to believe that their proposal would be for a top of the line “signature arena”. With the NBA backing it, it really needs to be the best arena in the league.

This is exactly what I expected, and I think there’s a decent chance they can get it done and if they do it will be spectacular.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 27, 2009 5:40 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe the NBA should pay for it too then

We can call it Stern Arena, home of the Sterns.

by Aykis16 on Feb 27, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

?

The NBA has already invested more money in this arena than they have in any other arena in the league, just by spending time trying to come up with a deal. Do you think Seattle would’ve liked to have had Stern take this kind of interest in their city?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 27, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

a lot of time and work by the league

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 28, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

"Oh, was that today? Really?"

Maloofs no-shows at arena deal meeting.

Three will get you one they couldn’t force themselves out of the Carl’s Jr on Arden.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Feb 27, 2009 6:16 PM PST reply actions  

I think there is some overreaction here...

Listen, I agree that the proposal has some rather ambitious proposals in it. You guys seem to be acting like everything is going to be built and funded in one push though. The plan makes it clear that there are several phases to the development.

The first phase is the most important one to us, and is the one that builds the new arena and exhibition complex on the side of the expo where the old mini-golf complex and the horse racing stuff is now. Most of the commercial and residential development follows on in the later phases, and only come into play once the team and the fair to have its new digs first.

The biggest thing that really wasn’t gone over in any sort of detail was the infrastructure issues, which as was mentioned, is a huge issue with the Cal-Expo location. There has to be some sort of fix for the biz-80 issue and the implementation of some major public transit, or the traffic is going to be beyond awful. Hopefully that would be where some of the possible funds from the federal government could come into play.

by TheRaven on Feb 27, 2009 6:24 PM PST reply actions  

Prelim answers

1. Public transit is addressed in the presentation. It’s a freaking bus route through the complex. Adding a bus stop on Exposition isn’t public transit.

2. The money for phases B-E needs to be lined up before you get into phase A. So someone — or a lot of someones — will need to put their necks out before a hole is even dug.

by Tom Ziller on Feb 27, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know what to think

It’s definitely real now, that’s for sure. The Kings leaving is real. I hope it doesn’t happen but I don’t know anymore.

My “conspiracy theory”: The NBA wants this team to move to a better market and they are putting together a ridiculous plan to ensure nothing is accomplished. I’m just throwing that out there for the hell of it… You know how everyone talks about the NBA and crazy theories. I just made one up… Have at it I guess.

On the other hand, as an economics major in college, it kinda makes sense. The economy is horrible right now, we all know that, but it will get better, that’s a guarantee. When? I don’t know, it could really be as early as the end of this year, it could take much much longer. If this is a plan that is going to take time to develop then it doesn’t sound as crazy. There’s no better way of stimulating the economy than spending and investing. That’s why everyone got a nice check last year, to spend the money and try stimulating the failing economy. So how about a $1.9 billion stimulus?? This is one of those projects that could really help the situation in Sacramento and, maybe also, the state of California.

Where do they get money at first?? That’s the difficult part of course. But if there is a well thought plan this may just work. If there is one person out there who is willing to take a big risk, he/she/they may just get a BIG payoff.

"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops

by eduardo_m7 on Feb 27, 2009 6:55 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe Joe and Gavin can ask Bill Gates

As far as the conspiracy theory goes: As I mention below I hope that David Stern is worried about the NBA’s PR. They don’t need another team with a loyal fan base leaving their city. The only move that would make sense is KC. San Jose and Anaheim are already close to basketball. Moving to either of those spots solves none of the Maloofs financial problems. Kansas City, however, makes a little more sense. But it still just makes more sense for them to wait the economy out and be credited with really helping the Sacramento area.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 27, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

KC or Seattle

KC would make some kind of sense, but then I don’t know if it’s actually an improvement for the Kings, in that KC is actually a smaller market than Sac, and they’re not exactly swimming in corporate sponsors either, and what there is probably buying from the Chiefs. The only advantages might be the overall cost of living/operating in KC as opposed to CA, but then there’s the expenditures just in moving the franchise.

I dunno…I guess I just have the same attitude that people get when they announce they want to drop some halfway house or sex offender in your area. It’s not so bad when it’s not where you live, but you don’t want them in your area. I don’t quite like in the Arden area, but I’m in Arden-Arcade, and I know I avoid the Arden area during x-mas season, now I’d have to add the number of nights to skip the traffic hassle. And there you go, the Sacramento Sex Offenders! Muahaahahaaaa

by Bitgod on Feb 27, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's why I think the Maloofs show some patience and stay in Sac

the NBA knows it needs good PR. Stern will do whatever he can to convince the Maloofs to stay and let this come to fruition. Why? Because of the public relations involved. Imagine 5 or 6 years from now when the Sacramento area economy is getting better right alongside the development of this monument to consumerism. The NBA and the Maloofs will be able to take credit for reviving the economy in this area. They’ll be the saviors of Sac, rather than some billionaires who ran when times were tough. The Maloofs have to be smart enough to know that going to San Jose or Anaheim will not solve their financial woes. If fans in SJ wanna see a crappy basketball team they can go to Oakland. If people in Anaheim want b-ball they’ll go see the Lakers or the Clippers. The Maloofs will not make much more money relocating if they put the same crappy product on the floor.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Feb 27, 2009 7:26 PM PST reply actions  

this is

sexy…would definitly bring some life to that ardenwood area…beside that nasty mall hahaha…im all for it but heres the real question…MONEY!!!???

Stang PRIDE!!!!!!!!!

by Robby1987 on Feb 27, 2009 8:00 PM PST reply actions  

racing horses at Cal-Expo

I was all worried about this proposal as I race horses at Cal-X 10 months out of the year. Now that I’ve read this I’m going to buy more horses. What world do these fools live in $1.9 billion? Just croos the street and check out the vacancies at Arden Fair then run into any of the upscale apartments on Expo Blvd. You can move in tommorrow! We need a basketball court and we get Disneyland without the fun rides! NBA No Business Answers.

by camineralman on Feb 28, 2009 12:26 AM PST reply actions  

My sole concern is the timing

Look, $1.9 billion isn’t what it used to be. If that is the price tag to renovate a prime piece of real estate in the middle of Sacramento, then so be it. And make no mistake – Cal Expo is prime real estate, and it is currently a dated dump that wastes most of its footprint.

The question is, can the arena piece of this project possibly be done in less than a few years? The way these things usually work, it could be several years before the plan is finalized. I don’t know that the Maloof’s are going to wait ten years for a new arena.

We’ll just have to wait and see.

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by section214 on Feb 28, 2009 9:28 AM PST reply actions  

Isn't it about time Sacramento Thought Big?!!

Cal Expo – get it done!

Railyard – get it freakin’ done!

(jobsjobsjobsjobsjobsjobsjobsjobsjobsjobsjobs)

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 28, 2009 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

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