The growing word in NBA coaching circles -- some seven weeks before the end of the regular season and the start of serious spinning on the league's coaching carousel -- pinpoints Sacramento as a likely landing spot for Eddie Jordan.
Makes sense, too.
The Kings, by all accounts, want a proven coach to help rebuild their stripped-down squad after Reggie Theus' short-lived leap from the collegiate game. The fact that Jordan prefers the same offensive system recently re-installed by the Kings after the January re-hiring of Princeton legend Pete Carril only adds to his appeal, as does the scoring Jordan's teams are known for, given Sacramento's well-chronicled need to lure customers back to its half-empty building.
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I'll take him
or Thibodeau who is also mentioned in the article. Thibodeau’s defensive acumen with Coachie’s offensive consulting could be pretty deadly.
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I gotta admit
I thought the more interesting note was on Phil Weber who has a strong note on working with young players. Of which the Kings could conceivably have a ton starting next season. (I think that was Marc Stein’s way of saying whatever coach the Kings bring in better realize what he’s dealing with when he’s dealing with young talent. I think he was saying Weber’s reputation in this regard is very high.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I was intrigued by that as well
Don’t know much about Weber, personally. But I like the thought of a guy who can develop our youngsters. However, I don’t know if that’s totally necessary with Coachie around.
Eddie Jordan brings instant offense and excitement. That’ll fill the seats. Thibodeau will add some great defense, which is what this team really needs. With the offensive players we already have adding a great defensive element will really turn this thing around.
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Too much money
I think if the Kings go the Jordan route they should make sure they also get a defensive minded assistant
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
Which is why Thibodeau might make more sense
He’d be cheaper. Plus he’s defensive minded and would have the Yoda of offense with him.
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Not him.. haha
It wouldn’t be like the Theus situation because Jordan is an established coach
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
Working with the young'uns
Interesting prospect, pookey.
It makes me wonder, though. If we’re hiring a coach, the ideal solution would be someone who can be around for a long time (4-5 seasons minimum, ideally). Weber might be better suited to work with developing the younger players, but can he take the to the next level over the next several seasons? Jordan seems better suited to taking a team to a higher level, but does that mean anything if he can’t develop the younger players? Quite the conundrum.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
There's really no reason to believe he can't develop the youngsters
But, he can also hire assistants that are good with that too. Plus, we still have Yoda who is great with the kids
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Coachie is great but....
if JT is hitting the wall how’s Coachie going to handle preseason & 82 game regular season. With all the traveling, games & practices, that’s going to be impossible for a guy his age. He’s a consultant, and if he works with some of the guys during practices, that’s more than enough for me.
The Princeton is a small ball offense, that was designed to compensate for not having a dominant big on your squad. And, although it’s fun to watch, when PLAYED WELL, it’s not the end all of offenses. How many teams in the NBA play it? And, right now we don’t really have the personel to play it well. It requires at least 3 excellent ball handlers and passers, and a bunch of deadly 3pt shooters. Besides, picking a coach because he runs a specific offense, when you don’t know what kind of players your going to have in 2 or 3 years is silly.
We know that we need defense, no matter what else or what players we have. You need defense to win Championships. Get a defensive coach, and let him hire the offensive assistants for the kind of offense he wants to run.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 28, 2009 1:17 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
You have a Princeton GM picking Princeton players
That is the main problem I see in hiring someone like Thibodeau. Eddie Jordan is liked by management and trusted. Either guy will demand decent samoleans – guarunteed and long term (4-5 years) because they can. This also means that with a long term commitment in this down turned economy on this salary dumping team – the Kings better like AND trust the guy because they will be together for the duration.
To me, this means that not only is Eddie Jordan the front runner (he is established, has creds, liked by management, has history with the club) I would be surprised if someone else is hired. Thibodeau, should he become available, will be part of a bidding war (at least 8 vacancies now, and the season is not over) and will be just as expensive and is more of a risk as he has no Head Coaching experience.
Of course, there is always John Whisenant.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 28, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
I like Thibodeau but I think Jordan will get the nod
assuming he wants the job and is offered it. Quite frankly, I think its what the Maloofs need if they want to start making money again. A coach who will install a fast paced high scoring offense will draw crowds. Shock and Hawes can be a new incarnation of Vlade and Webb, with Rubio playing J-Will, and Kev as Peja. It’s a stretch, but not a huge one.
If we end up with either Thibodeau or Jordan I’ll be a happy man. I just hope Jordan can find an assistant with some real defensive chops.
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interesting comparison V
A coach who will install a fast paced high scoring offense will draw crowds. Shock and Hawes can be a new incarnation of Vlade and Webb, with Rubio playing J-Will, and Kev as Peja. It’s a stretch, but not a huge one.
You are missing a very important cog – who will be Jackie Christie?
by betweentheeyes on Feb 28, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
The ugly Kardashian sister
Sorry to mention her again (she doesn’t deserve it) but Tenacity can always get back with her just for comparison’s sake
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
and to continue the comments in poor taste
does he sniff his fingers instead of raising his hand?
by betweentheeyes on Feb 28, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't Reggie try to speed up the offense?
And, didn’t we lead the league in turnovers to assists? And, wasn’t one of the first things that Natt did was slow down the offense. If your going to have an uptempo offense your going to need people and handle the ball and pass. Who leads our offense in turnovers? Our guards and wings. Good Cisco/Bad Cisco, Martin the traveler who likes to jump and pass the ball, and of course our starting PG Beno the Living Turnover.
We are a JUMP SHOOTING TEAM because we don’t have players that fit into the Princeton offense very well. Those players are gone, the Princeton of the past is gone. If the players we have today were to cut and move and pass, we’d never get a play off.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
LOL on the "Living Turnover"
Call Jerry and let him know we have a new nickname for him.
by nothingbutnet on Mar 1, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with some of what you said
Our wings are poor ball handlers, but I think thats part of the reason why a Princeton type offense would work best. The moving without the ball and vision of all of our players I think is above the league average (although like you mentioned the passing isn’t very good) but the thought is always there, and our bigs can pass and move well as well.
The real beauty of the Princeton is that you don’t need a whole lot of talent to run it well, you just need solid players who understand what they can and can’t do and always look for the best shot on offense. And the Princeton in its old school form is not high tempo at all, its very methodical, the championship contending Kings teams were able to make the offense more high tempo and explosive in the full and 1/2 court because the players were so good.
I actually have noticed a lot of improvements in our offense since Carill came back, and I think we can continue to improve with improving players and the inclusion of some young guys in the draft.
How many turnovers did we have the last game from poor passing 12?
I’ve been around here since last Aug. and one of the recurring themes has been that we need a Pure PG. Why because our guards and wings, don’t pass well & turn the ball over too much. Maybe with a superior play maker at the point, we might have a chance.
But, we’re making bad passes to one another while the players are standing still. Passing while guys are running around and coming off of picks could be a nightmare.
As far as Carill is concerned, no one has any idea what input he’s made. For all we know he may have told them to stop playing any kind of motion offense.
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Let's put the John Whisenant rumors
To bed
BOOK IT!
I rather have Avery Johnson
Over Eddie Jordan.
BOOK IT!
Why?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Because Beno's confidence is soaring right now.
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So you want to bring it down again??
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
LOL
At first I didn’t get it. Now I realize you’re talking about Avery Johnson bringing this team down. Ha! (I love it!)
And say no to Avery!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Quite frankly
I think Avery is a better coach then Eddie Jordan.
But I would be fine with Eddie Jordan if he can bring in a good defensive coach.
BOOK IT!
Coach of the Year honors
Can Jordan say the same? I’ll take Thibodeau over Jordon
by nothingbutnet on Mar 1, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Coach of the Year honors
Byron Scott won it last year. The previous four winners (Sam Mitchell, Johnson, Mike D’Antoni, Hubie Brown) are no longer with their teams. Greg Popovich is the only winner still with the same team that he was guiding when he won. Jerry Sloan has never won, but Don Chaney and Mike Dunleavy have.
Worst-award-ever.
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by section214 on Mar 1, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, so good coaches never get fired from ownership
Does the name Adelman ring a bell???
you left out Don Nelson, Phil Jackson, Doc Rivers, Pat Riley, Rick Carlisle. I thought these guys were good coaches guess I’m mistaken. Seems to me Nelson has been voted as one of the top 10 coaches in NBA history.
Please tell me why your so high on Jordan. His stats don’t fill me with confidence.
by nothingbutnet on Mar 1, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't say a thing about being high on Jordan
My comment was simply that coach of the year honors is a poor measuring stick. And the laundry list of winners (Chaney, Dunleavy, Larry Bird, Del Harris, Mike Schuler) and non-winners (Sloan, Adelman) supports that.
Worst – award – ever.
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I think you can say that about most subjective awards
whether it be “Coach of the Year”, “Best Picture”, Grammies, even MVP.
I think the award does have merit. Is is always right? I guess that depends on who your talking with.
To be in the running sports writers from the US and Canada vote. Each first-place vote is worth five points; each second-place vote is worth three points; and each third-place vote is worth one point.
I don’t believe Jordan has really ever come close to this honor. I’m sure Adelman and Sloan have.
I guess my point is, that while I don’t always agree with the winner, I think those that do win have earned some credibility.
I’m not convinced Avery is the answer for this team, I just feel he deserves some consideration.
As an outsider, with respect to coaching, I can only determine a candidates worthiness by his past success. Avery set a record in Dallas for most wins in a season. His record as a player was also very good. In addition, he was well respected by his players. Nowitski always seemd to talk the guy up.
Yes, he failed to bring a championship home. Yes, he made some coaching errors. It was probably most evident against Golden State. But, so did Adleman.
By the way, I have read that Sloan has a good chance this year of receiving the award.
by nothingbutnet on Mar 1, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
I mentioned Paul Silas a few days ago
What do we think? An older coach yes, but one who probably wouldn’t mind putting things in order for a few years until the team is good.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
I like it
My only worry would be that we may be missing our future coach because we are not hiring him right away. For example, if management knew Eddie Jordan or Flip Saunders are the coach they want for this team in the future and do not sign him because of money or any other reason and opt to go the Silas (or other coach for that matter) route, we may miss out on the one we wanted all along.
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
some additonal thoughts on this
Thibodeau, and Avery Johnson for that matter are to be considered by all of the teams seeking a new coach when the end of the season arrives.
Both of these guys are going to get mutliple offers. Neither of these two are going to want to make the choice of a young, worst record team IMO for differing but similiar reasons.
Thibodeau will be at his first head coaching position. He will be wanitng to prove he is Head Coach material. I do not think he will want to take on the last place team.
The Lil’ General has to prove he can be a viable Head Coach after his uncomfortable dismissal from the Mavs. I do not believe he will give up his seat at ABC/ESPN studios to substantiate his worth with the last place Kings.
The job is Eddie Jordans’ until proven otherwise. The fit is too good for him, and too poor for the other two. The only other possibility is some Geoff Petrie overseas coach who comes Stateside which would be both a surprise and a big gamble. Paul Silas is a good choice if Jordan is not picked but he is a short term option, and would be a wonderful assistant should that appeal to him. Who knows?
by betweentheeyes on Mar 1, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
Other side of the coin
the Kings are going to offer a long term deal. No one but a rookie coach is going the accept a deal like Reggie got. It’s too much pressure, and not worth the aggrevation.
So, with a long term deal, a bunch of early 1st round draft picks already on your roster, the probability of a additional early 1st rounder in 2010, and the possiblity of $15-20M in cap space in 2010, the Kings have a lot of potential. So, which would you rather have a team starting what looks to be a very good rebuilding period, or one of the other unsuccesfull teams that are partially rebuilding but may not have the cap space or draft picks to help you thru the latter years of your contract.
A team like the Kings could make your career if everything goes as plan. And, if it doesn’t everyone will say that you got into a bad situation and the failure wasn’t yours.
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The Coaching Carousel
Here’s some names that might stir up some memories. Most have recent coaching experience (last five years): Sam Vincent, Vinny Del Negro (assuming he gets fired), Avery Johnson, Jeff Bzdelik ( a teacher type and experienced martyr), Flip Saunders, Jeff Van Gundy, Chris Ford, Rudy Tomjanovich, Hubie Brown (OK, he might be a little old), Terry Porter, Paul Silas, Lenny Wilkens (see Hubie), Paul Westphal (currently assisting the Mavs), Brian Hill, Sam Mitchell, Maurice Cheeks, Eddie Jordan.
Some of these guys are a stretch, but there may be a sleeper or two among the group.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 2, 2009 1:12 AM PST reply actions
In order
No, No, No, Yes, but I doubt he leaves Colorado, Maybe but probably not, No, Definitely No, Definitely No, Hell No, Not a chance anymore after the debacle in Phoenix (even though that isn’t all his fault), Yes I would consider him, No he’s too old, Nope on Paulie, Hell no on Brian Hill (He couldn’t even coach Dwight Howard properly), No, Maybe but probably not, and maybe.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Jeff Bzdelik
Yes, but I doubt he leaves Colorado
So I take it from the comment above that he’s your top candidate on the list?
$2 million a year is more than the $800k a year he gets to coach the Buffalos.
It could be interesting to consider.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 2, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah but there are other considerations
Bzdelik could become a legend and build an unbeatable program at CU. He can’t do that with the Kings. 1.2 million > immortality
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Carpola
1.2 million < immortality
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I know
I’m going romantic just cuz. (Respect for Bzdelik for winning at Air Force maybe?)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
The blogabullers HATE VDN
I mean they really hate him – for what thats worth. Avery mismanaged a pretty good team i thought…
A lot of people seem to think E Jordan is right for this team/style (?)
Thats all I got
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 2, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
What do you know about Jeff Bzdelik?
Honestly, what do you know without having to look it up?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Are you asking me?
I just know he took a terrible Nuggets team and delivered a bunch more wins the following season. Then, when they struggled a little bit the next year out of the gate and George Karl became available, they dumped him.
I know he had a good reputaiton as a teacher and someone who worked well with young players. That sounds like a decent description of what we need.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 2, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
Bzdelik ---- too many consonants, not enough vowels to be a head coach
by betweentheeyes on Mar 2, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
NO I wasn't CC
I was asking lttg.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Mrs. Bzdelik
Might prefer the $1.2 million. At this point his immortality consists of being the guy who improved his team the most and then got screwed.
He showed he can coach in this league, and that’s the most important detail.
The other approach is to find a young guy like Spoelstra but who is not Musselman. In other words, the next Popovich.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 3, 2009 5:35 AM PST up reply actions
To add on my point below about Riley disciples
Let’s name a few of these fellows: Randy Pfund (Heat GM—which means he’s Riley’s jerkoff whatever he wants), Stan Van Gundy, Marc Iavaroni, Erik Spoelstra, Jeff Bzdelik, and these are just the guys off the top of my head. I’m sure I’ve missed a few along the way.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Jeff Van Gundy is another Riley disciple too
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Bzdelik background
Bzdelik signs 5-year deal with Buffaloes
Bulls GM wants to talk to Bzdelik
Thorburn: Coaches buzzing about Bzdelik
The good: he runs the Princeton offense and focuses on defense and cutting down on turnovers.
The bad: his family loves Colorado, he’s in the second year of a five-year deal and he’s got a team dominated by freshman and sophomores that could make noise the next couple of seasons.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 3, 2009 5:54 AM PST up reply actions
Yeppers
Truth be told, I hate Pat Riley. I love his disciples.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
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