This Has to Stop
But with 4:55 to play and the defensively disinterested Kings trailing 118-71, Hawes was furious during a timeout. His face a bright-red mixture of anger and embarrassment, he yelled at his teammates, "This has to stop," before the Kings finished with a slight edge in garbage time (11-10).
Losses I can take. Trailing by 50 in the third quarter, getting destroyed on the boards by one of the worst rebounding teams in the universe ... no. Do not want.
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hey
how’d you know when my birthday is. Thanks for keeping track!!
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by shadow1480 on Feb 3, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This has to stop
Yeah, not being blown out by 40 in the first half isn’t so swell either. As much as Brad Miller’s play is disconcerting, you can’t blame him totally for last night.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 6:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Actually we can't blame him at all
Blame the fact that if your a jump shooting team and you don’t make your jump shots your going to lose. Blame the fact that when you can’t rebound, and you send everyone in deep to help, your going to get teams running fast breaks on you. Blame the fact, when every starter on your team, is not as good as the man he’s defending, then there is no one to help you defend your man. Blame the fact that the Kings don’t know their help assignments and are always out of position.
Actually, blame me, I can take it.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 3, 2009 7:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't blame innocent bystanders
This team sucks, yes, but some of it is a bi-product of the past instability.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 7:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
I do agree with your statement about how “every starter on the team not being as good as the man he’s defending.” I’ve never seen a starting 5 get “abused” on the defensive end on a nightly basis as I have with this years team..(And yes, that includes the Golden Boy K-Mart)…However, in regards to Brad….
The reason why we are a jump shooting team is because we have a 7fter who plays like he is 6’1 and hasnt played in the “key” the entire year…So it kinda is Brad’s fault were a jump shooting team…..However, last night was a collective effort and certainly not Brad’s fault alone-…..I enjoyed your post tho!
by Hoops916 on Feb 3, 2009 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
And yes, that includes the Golden Boy K-Mart
Yep.
by Ziller on Feb 3, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he can't move laterally
Why is he bothering to play then? This team could lose it’s next 25 games without him anyway. And lose by 40 half the time.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Question Raised Pookey-
I’d rather see a rested and healthy K-Mart than the one who “can’t move laterally”…. Despite doing a good job of getting to the line this year, his 41% FG isnt exactly ripping the nets down at Arco anyways….Something just isnt right with Martin this year…perhaps its his injury?…perhaps its the other 11 guys surrounding him?…perhaps its the fact that a solid #2 (and protector) in Artest is gone?..Somethin is up-…Brutal year around the horn for everyone excluding JT, Hawes & the residents of Natomas on a game night!
by Hoops916 on Feb 3, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Martin has had it rough
I think it’s the injury mixed with the frustration of how poorly the team is playing. He doesn’t have the ability to play as well as he’d like to and he’s becoming less and less motivated to play hurt.
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by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy the injury excuse
When he didn’t have a good defender on him in the OKC game, he didn’t have any problems shooting, rebounding, or defending. I think he was just overclassed in the Suns game. If anything, I’d go along with the less & less motivated, but because their losing and not because he’s hurt.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 3, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoopshype had Lakers trading Odom for Miller due to Bynums injury
Interesting, but I doubt this will happen.
by nothingbutnet on Feb 3, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness
Do we even have 5 guys total who care on the team? Can we put any combination of 5 guys on the floor who will play with pride and intensity while they are out there? Personally, I’m at the point where I don’t care which 5 guys get starter minutes as long as they’re playing hard while they’re out there. If this means giving guys like Douby, Williams and Thomas big minutes so be it, as long as they’re busting their asses while they’re out on the court.
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by outrider on Feb 3, 2009 7:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I understand that this is not your point
But I just want to take this opportunity to note that the last two nights have confirmed to me that Shelden Williams’s play cannot help this team. He is – at best – a one-dimensional role player (rebounding) on a team that can’t afford to suffer his lack of production in every other area.
I wanted to support him as a defensive specialist, since we have historically paid dearly for our lack of interior defense. But, while his effort is fine, Shelden’s size/athleticism deficiencies make him unable to guard most PFs AND Cs in the league. Here are the starting PF and C for each team in our division: PHX – Amare, Shaq; GSW – Stephen Jackson, Biendrins; LAC – Randolph, Camby; LAL – Odom, Gasol (and let’s throw in Bynum). Among that group, you couldn’t say any matchup favors Shelden. Stephen Jackson might if Shelden had the offensive wherewithal to create a mismatch on the offensive end. (He doesn’t, as exemplified by his being blocked from behind by Grant Hill last night).
Frankly, I’d rather watch Brad take minutes from Shock and Hawes – at least he can still teach them a few valuable tricks.
by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stephen Jackson is also a SG
I fail to see your point on him. Has Shelden matched up against Biedrins yet? Or Bynum/Gasol?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Stephen Jackson is probably a natural SF
But he’s the second biggest starter on the Warriors, who obviously play a non-traditional lineup. My point is that if our center is guarding Biedrins and Williams is on the court, it’s a mismatch in favor of the Warriors. It doesn’t really matter if he’s guarding Jackson, Azubuike, or Magette. And if Shelden is our center and guarding Biedrins, it’s still a mismatch in favor of Golden State. Even Turiaf, who might be the closest thing to Shelden’s equivalent in the NBA, is better offensively.
As for the other guys, I’m not sure exactly who Shelden has matched up against this season. From what I’ve seen, however, he hasn’t done well against seven footers (Gasol/Bynum) or quicker PFs (Biedrins).
I guess all I’m really trying to say is that I had sold Shelden to myself as a strong interior defender before the season. And now I see that his lack of size, quickness, and explosive leaping ability make him a worse than average defender of bigs, despite his effort and fundamental skills.
by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My Opinion
Amundson showed last night that the best type of 6’8"/6’9" reserve big to have is one that can jump and run the floor and is athletic. Williams is none of those things which hurts his defensive capabilities and his offensive skills. He is strong enough but too short to guard centers and tall enough but too unathletic and slow to guard power forwards. Amundson, like Scot Pollard was, can run the floor, block shots, rebound and knows how to set good picks and then roll with speed. Players like Leon Powe, Carl Landry, Craig Smith and Paul Millsap have proven that they are the wave of the future as far as undersized reserve big men go. Williams does not fit the profile at all which is why he is gone after this year.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
by dalt99 on Feb 3, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks dalt
This is what I was trying to say. Too short to guard legit centers, not athletic enough to guard PFs, too offensively handicapped to be a garbage man.
by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Cisco/Martin/Greene/JT/Hawes
The only problem is that our bench would be even worse than it is now
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by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to imagine this team could get worse
I seriously mean that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's always possible
What if Shock and Hawes are rollin’ around Sac in Shock’s ’Scalade eating some popcorn and they get rear ended and both of them break a leg and are out for two months?
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by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not coming back to StR until June (if that happens)
When I can stop being depressed. LOL
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But you know damn well
that you love the thought of Shock and Hawes rolling in an Escalade munching on some popcorn
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by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's the thought of not seeing them play the rest of the season
That would be a youtube classic vf.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Waitaminute...
if they weren’t playing the rest of the season how about a simulcast of every game? On one channel is the normal game with Peaches and Jerry announcing. The other channel can be Shock and Hawes (or whichever other players aren’t playing and have good on camera personality) watching the game and making stupid comments a la Mystery Science Theater 3000.
Holy shit, I’m a genius!
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by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Hmmm
That is worth watching.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yes it is
This could lead to so many other teams. We can have late night tv with the “Shock and Hawes Variety Hour” and we’ve all heard about player/coaches why Donte becoming the first player/announcer?
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by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are insane
I love it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine Donte mic'd up on the floor
Donte: Buckets for three! It’s good! He just made Kobe his bitch!
I wouldn’t have to do this stuff if the Kings were good.
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by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a fan of your lunacy
I hope you realize that. And your lunacy needs to be wrapped up in a sort of “a collection of vfettke’s greatest comments ever” fanpost. Or something like that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since I'm all for stroking my own overinflated ego...
that would be fantastic. I’d like to nominate you to head that one up. Get ’er done Pookey.
And while we’re at it we should compile a few of your fanposts and make them into a book that could put FreeDarko’s book to shame.
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by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just 3?
Cmon now, there are no pictures in any of those…..
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We have to consider length here
If we did all of them they’d be Encyclopedia Craptastica
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by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah
Kick me while I’m egotistical why dontcha.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would pay insane amounts of money to watch that
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Feb 3, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is exactly the format for the Kings reality show
You see, it was just a rumor that Dante went to the DL for development purposes. In truth he was filming the 1st episodes of Mystery Kings Theater 2008-9. And the popcorn in JT’s sclade was originally a prop for the show that BobbyJ then re-used for the prank.
Oh, and just in case: :-) :-) ;-O
by hozr on Feb 3, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the exception of Douby.
Dude make too many mental errors.
by nothingbutnet on Feb 3, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty much it
The losses can have value, and not just in terms of draft position. Hawes and Thompson getting minutes is worth it, but yeah, it’s rough seeing what looks like (at least to me) a complete lack of effort or interest on the part of the players.
Seeing Phoenix get a fast break slam after a missed Kings free throw last night was just astounding. How the hell does that even happen?
I dunno, do you just shut Martin down and let his ankle problems heal up, or do you have to beat him to death because he’s the highlight reel most nights? I hate watching a guy with his gifts forced to play at two-thirds speed, especially when it’s not going to amount to anything.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
by andy sims on Feb 3, 2009 7:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering the same thing myself
Why not just give Kevin the extended rest? It’s not like the team was within 10 pts after the first 3 mins of the first qtr last night.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If one were to ask
I would say it’s much wiser to be optimistic over a bad team, and cynical over a great team.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 8:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Who would you rather have?
Right now, today, if you were trying to win a basketball game, who would you pick:
1. Beno or Nash?
2. Martin or Richardson?
3. Salmons or Grant Hill?
4. JT or Stoudomire?
5. Hawes or O’Neal?
6. Brown or Barbosa?
7. Garcia or Barnes?
8. Moore or Amundson?
For the starting five I could make a case to take Martin and/or Salmons but it’s close either way. The other three spots? Slam dunks. No way you take the Kings player. The three main reserves? Again I could make a case for Garcia but the other two are no brainers and Barbosa is so far above Brown that he can’t see that high. My point is that if the Kings are missing shots and not hustling and the Suns are on their game and fired up to play, there is NO WAY the Kings will even be IN the game let alone win. There is no excuse for a team to not hustle and be ready to play, but this Kings team is NOT going to beat the Suns when they are as fired up as they were last night.
If the Kings don’t start putting people on their ass when they come down the lane, this is going to keep happening for the rest of the season. This may be the worst defensive team in NBA history.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
by dalt99 on Feb 3, 2009 8:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nash
Martin
Salmons
Amare
O’ Neal
Barbosa
Barnes
Kobe!!
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by shadow1480 on Feb 3, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They got a ways to go on that dalt (from a pts allowed perspective)
The Nuggets gave up 130 pts one year. (Of course, they also scored 119 a game too….)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
wanna sound like a panicked fan, but it’s time to give Donte, Spencer, and Bobby Brown most of the playing time. Get them ready for next year. At least see what these guys can do.
Free Donte Greene!!
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by shadow1480 on Feb 3, 2009 8:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Spence has played his way into deserving starters' minutes
But I don’t think that Bobby and Donté are ready to play that much. There’s a thin line between getting a player experience and rewarding bad habits. I don’t think Beno or Salmons belong in the long-term plan of the franchise, but as long as they continue to be more valuable on the court than the kids, they should continue to get the playing time. When Donté and Bobby B are ready to take over, they’ll show it in practice and confirm it with consistent, quality play in whatever game minutes they get.
by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you
and your rational thoughts make me sick.
+1
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by shadow1480 on Feb 3, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If their not going to give Donte any PT then why did they bring him back from Reno?
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 3, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they want to see how Donte reacted
Honestly, there is no other reason than that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Practice time
He was in Reno during a stretch of many games in few nights, and he came back to take advantage of the practice time that came after.
I still think practicing/ meeting with the top club is better for Donté than playing garbage games in Reno.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 3, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Practice should be the primary method of development for inexperienced players. I think the D-League is a great resource for the guys we overlooked, and a good way to keep guys who came to the NBA before they were physically ready on the shelf. But it doesn’t prepare a player to contribute to an NBA team the way that practice should.
by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It also doesn't prepare a player for an injury to a primary rotation player
And the team, now seeing this player pressed into action, can see how he responds.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He should just be thrown into action right now anyway
What harm will it do? We need to find out where he stands for the future. Will he be our starting SF or a backup? There’s no harm in finding out now when we’re just going to suck anyway.
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by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he should get playing time
just not “most of the playing time” as shadow suggested. I’d love to see more of him, I just don’t think it’s a good idea to hand a 19 year old who doesn’t play defense the keys to the car.
Give him 15-20 consistently and let him prove he deserves more. If he trains and practices correctly, he’ll be a starter in no time.
by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Instead
let’s have a 30 year old who isn’t part of this team’s future get all the playing time. Sure, he’s young and doesn’t play defense, but that’s better than being old and not playing defense like most of the vets on this team
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by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
Balls Don’t Lie
quoted Pook from the Phx game thread.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/BDL-NBA-Power-Rankings-These-Celtics-go-to-11;_ylt=AosecGey1fJFS.pLEbm8MmC8vLYF?urn=nba,138462
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit
That is funny.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is Skeets
Power Rankings for those who want to see it. And for those who don’t know how to get to Ball Don’t Lie.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How about
the irreparable damage you could do to Donte throwing him in before he’s ready.
I don’t know why you guys think having a 19 year old humiliated nightly by grown men would be good for his career or his development. When he deserves regular minutes, he’ll get them.
I don’t see why this coaching staff doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt with our rookies. JT started hot, got minutes, then he sucked, his minutes went away. Once he was on the right track again, he got more time and is growing almost nightly again.
Same thing with Spencer, before the last week or so, going back a month, he’s sucked. It happens, he’s young and learning. For the past week, he’s gradually playing better, as he does, I would guess he’ll get more time.
The coaching staff has done a great job handling the young guys, the only exception is maybe Donte, because we see him so little. Their handling of the other guys makes me mostly give them a pass on Donte, because its obviously worked.
An average game by John Salmons would be the best game of Donte's career.
by ForThree on Feb 3, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they're not going to us him why bring him back from Reno?
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 3, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe they felt he’d learn more or develop faster in Sacramento?
I don’t know, sending him to Reno made a lot of sense to me, I’m not sure we have any good information as to why he was brought back.
An average game by John Salmons would be the best game of Donte's career.
by ForThree on Feb 3, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to see more of him, I just don’t think it’s a good idea to hand a 19 year old who doesn’t play defense the keys to the car.
Doesn’t much matter who has the keys when the car’s already in a ditch. The Kings car is in a ditch at the bottom of the Grand Canyon. On fire. And covered with water. At the same time.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on Feb 3, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Problem is
We need to showcase Miller & Salmons for trade purposes
by nothingbutnet on Feb 3, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
If GMs don’t know what these players can do by now, they need to fire themselves. NO GM will hold it against a rebuilding franchise for trying to get their young and future stars some minutes.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
by dalt99 on Feb 3, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mercy
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 9:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This latest debacle proves one thing
Martin is not the team leader he was anointed to be. If he is a leader it’s in a bad way. He leads by example playing no defense and the rest of the team follows suit. Ever noticed how opposing SGs always have a field day against this team? But the blame goes back to Petrie for what the Kings have morphed into. The guy only looks at the stat sheet which does not indicate defense. The fact is Petrie forgot that defense is half of the game.
by KingsFan on Feb 3, 2009 10:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Make all the excuses you want, Martin isn’t the best player on this team. Offensively, subtract the other teams SG point total from Martins point total and the balance is his total worth. Because defensively he’s a liability, and he adds no value from rebounding & assists.
Right now John Salmons, for all of his bad habits, is the best player on the team.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 3, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Give me a break
There is no “leader” in the history of basketball that would make this team good.
Martin is far and away this team’s best player, and still has the opportunity to get better. All this consternation about his defense is just silly, likely it will get better as he matures, asking anyone to lead this team anywhere right now is nuts.
An average game by John Salmons would be the best game of Donte's career.
by ForThree on Feb 3, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
And Martin is the best player on the squad, by pretty much any statistical measure. Salmons doesn’t exactly ooze leadership himself, and his superior defense to Martin’s doesn’t really compensate for Martin’s offensive abilities and efficiencies.
Gunga Galunga
by otis29 on Feb 3, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not even convinced trading Beno is a great idea
Especially have spent the afternoon arguing it at 3QC. But I am convinced trading Martin is on the level of stupid that Portland displayed when they traded Jermaine O’Neal for Dale Davis.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Martins' shortcoming will become painfully clear
If Salmons is traded, and Martin has to start defending the top SF in the league. Right now Salmons takes on the responsibility of defending the best SF or SG. When Salmons isn’t around anymore and Martin has to expend a lot of energy defending, expect his offense to go down.
Leadership means nothing if you’re not an all around good player. No one follows a leader that can’t do the whole job himself. Cisco is a better all around player and that’s why he doesn’t have a problem speaking up. Salmons is less vocal by nature, but he still leads by example. Kevin isn’t a complete player so he can’t speak up or lead by example.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 3, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
gross generalizations
are cute, but don’t tell you anything
Before this year LeBron James was nothing to write home about defensively and he seemed to lead his team just fine. And before you throw up the straw man, I’m aware Martin isn’t LeBron.
Its very unlikely Martin will have responsibility for the other team’s best wing, for the simple reason that most teams don’t ask their best player to guard the other team’s best player often. That’s for lots of reasons, foul trouble, and the fact that your best player has plenty of responsibility without having to shut down their best guy also any given night.
Martin can easily be the team’s best player and not be a great defender. He needs to get better though of course.
An average game by John Salmons would be the best game of Donte's career.
by ForThree on Feb 3, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of generalizations
I thought I was very specific on why John, Cisco,& Martin’s skills as a leader were different, and why trading Salmons could be bad for Martin.
for the simple reason that most teams don’t ask their best player to guard the other team’s best player often.
Now that’s a generalization if I ever heard one. Where are your facts? I don’t believe that for one moment. The only reason a team would do that is to protect their star if he starts getting into foul trouble or if he was a bad defender to start with which is exactly why the Kings do it.
Martin can easily be the team’s best player and not be a great defender
Of course he can on a bad team, show me a good team whose best player can’t play good defense. The question is “Is he the best player right now?”. And, I contend that that question is highly debateable. Either way when this team gets good, he’ll have to improve his defense or he definitely won’t be the best player on the team.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 4, 2009 12:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Salmons is the best all around player on the Kings. Sure Martin is the more proficient scorer but Salmons plays defense. Factor it all in and Salmons edges Kmart.
Think of it this way. Who would win in a game of one on between the two? Salmons
by KingsFan on Feb 3, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 4, 2009 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey look who's now available
http://www.thestarpress.com/article/20090203/SPORTS/902030322/1006
Maybe the Kings could sign him the rest of the season? Bonzi could make things a little more entertaining.
by KingsFan on Feb 3, 2009 11:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No
No No No. Have I said no enough yet?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see where you are coming from...
Still, wouldn’t it be nice to have at least one guy who was willing to throw an elbow, fight for a rebound, and push people around in the paint? He’s not the answer, but I’d sure like to see some of the on-court attitude that he supplied when he was with us transfused throughout this roster.
by Kusian on Feb 3, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see a different mix of players
Throwing elbows is just a punk ass response.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
let me re-phrase
Bonzi brought a level of physical toughness that I don’t see in this group. Artest was similar in that respect. (And that is just one of the reasons why his departure was so underestimated on this site. His on-court leadership was obviously another positive that was not noticed until it was gone.) You are right, though, throwing elbows doesn’t make you a tough guy. I should have put emphasis on his physical toughness generally.
by Kusian on Feb 3, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Artest's departure ultimately means as much as my next shit does
Not a damn thing, except the excess of disgusting matter no longer in me.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
what the hell did you eat yesterday????
by Beagle12 on Feb 3, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Salad & Clam Chowder
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather discuss the Kings
than your bowel movements if that’s ok.
by KingsFan on Feb 3, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You really are a masochist :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Kusian's general point
no suprise I guess
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean a mix of different players, right?
I’m not certain that any mix of this roster is going to make much of a difference. Our best player is a 2nd or 3rd option on a good team. We are going to have to be patient because this current group is both too unskilled and/or too young to make much of an impact. Oh well…patience is a virtue, right? ;-)
by Kusian on Feb 3, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Patience is a virtue
And I’m not going thru the Artest wars again; been there & done that. This mix will never work I agree, but by any stretch, it wasn’t destined to work with Miller and Udrih under-performing (even though their stats aren’t remarkably down across the board).
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’m not arguing that we should have kept Artest or that we need Bonzi. However, this team does lack the physical toughness that both of them brought. Still, it’s just not physical toughness this team lacks. It’s that and a whole bunch more.
by Kusian on Feb 3, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We dont need a different mix
What we need is a consistant mix of players. It’s bad enough that we’re playing rookies, and had two different coaches over the past 50 games. What we need is consistancy. The players need to learn their jobs and gain some trust that the guys on the floor with them are going to do their job.
Give me 5 starters. The same starters every game, playing in their normal position for one complete month. Stop the insane multitude of rotations. Let the players learn to play with each other and trust each other.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 3, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think some believe
That skill sets have to compliment each other – And we don’t see it. We see talent but no team.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was a early advocate of skill set matchups
At the start of the season, I thought Miller matched up well with JT because JT could Offensive Rebound & Miller was out of position playing in the high post. I also, thought Shelden with his down low size and defense matched up with Hawes who didn’t have the bulk to go up against bigs the likes of Oden.
But, the season is half over, and we didn’t do that and as of now our defense is worst than ever. We have to learn to play defense. We can’t keep giving up 120ppg. We either don’t know how to play team defense or what our help assignment are. Or, their are too many players that just can’t play man defense, and no amount of helping is going to fix the problem.
It’s time to eliminate all the doubt and confusion. Stop playing zone. Everyone defends his own man, and let the coaching staff teach the help assignment. The worst case we lose every game and win the lottery. The best case the guys learn how to play team defense and trust each other.
Either way, by the end of the season we’ll know who can play defense and who can’t.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 3, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason Nat uses rotations is because the players aren't
performing together. Our current roster lacks the type of talent we would need to be competitive.
by nothingbutnet on Feb 3, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That may be true
about the roster
current roster lacks the type of talent we would need to be competitive.
but how is changing the rotations multiple times ever game going to make that better. This team isn’t playing the same type of system that they did last year or practiced in preseason. It’s time to let them work it out on the court, and sink or swim.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 4, 2009 12:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Without a doubt
Bonzi is not the answer. I only posted it because if the Kings did sign him I might be arsed into watching some Kings games again. Also I think Bonzi could be had for cheap.
by KingsFan on Feb 3, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick!
Let’s offer him 36 million for 5 years! He’ll turn our franchise around!
by twasserm on Feb 3, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for brilliant snark
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah these millions sure turned it around
Beno’s 36 million
or
Cisco’s 34 million
or
Kmart’s 55 million
by KingsFan on Feb 3, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its called the NBA draft....
As a Blazers fan that sufferd through many years of trying to salvage a sinking ship through trades, I have come to the conclusion that like the NFL, teams are ultimately built through the draft.
Draft well, and things will turn around. Brandon Roy and Lamarcus Aldridge single handedly turned the franchise around. And they came out of a percieved “weak” draft.
Hold on to Martin & Hawes. Scrap everything else & rebuild like OKC. Yes they are a joke now, but that roster will be ferocious in a few years, especially if they can nab a decent big man.
Your telling me Town and Country is the place to get my new ride??...hehuha
Yeah, I heard of them.
by Derftron on Feb 3, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
Scrap everything else & rebuild like OKC. Yes they are a joke now, but that roster will be ferocious in a few years, especially if they can nab a decent big man.
Haven’t people been saying the same about Charlotte? In hindsight, they have not drafted well (and many of their picked were panned at the time as well), but potential greatness eventually must take a leap forward. Otherwise it just becomes another case of perpetual suckitude.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Feb 3, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy and LMO both came in trades
did they not?
Do the Blazers know thier own team?
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Draft day trades
They knew the players they wanted in the draft and went and got them, period.
www.mancancook.net
by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If
If the Kings REALLY liked Hasheem Thabeet this draft, they could ask whoever the team was that was going to draft him that if they do, would they then trade Hasheem for Spencer Hawes and the player that the Kings draft (as directed by that team) with the Houston pick.
This just an example to illustrate what is possible. Not that it would happen exactly like this or for Thabeet. It could be Udrih, Brown and the pick for Teague and a scrub or Salmons and the pick for Al-Farouq Aminu. Again, all just random examples.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
by dalt99 on Feb 3, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We should at least consider this strategy if we get #1
In this draft, thats going to look like a golden goose.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LeMarcus Oden
of course.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 5, 2009 5:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Charlotte has drafted poorly
Augustin was a nice choice, and trading the pick last year for J-Rich was probably a good move (it brought them Diaw and Bell, eventually…)
but picking Ammo over Roy was an inexcusable mistake.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 3, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but where would the Blazers be now if that was the case Scotty?
And how would feel about Adam Morrison in a Blazers uni? LOL
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We can only dream
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Feb 3, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL Ex G
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Blazers probably would have taken Rudy Gay instead.
Or, if KP thought Jordan was going after Roy, had the Bulls take Roy with #2—though in that scenario, Charlotte taking LaMarcus at #3 is a no-brainer.
THAT move would have shown some balls. (I can’t say “balls” at BEdge, unless talking about the orange round things that go in the hoop, but I think I can say it here…)
Certainly, being a good GM does involve some luck—and some stupidity of the guy in front of you if you don’t have a hand full of aces.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 3, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another topic: coaching
This is just my gut, so if anybody has stats to prove me wrong, please let me know. Anyway, maybe it’s just the mood around here and around town when I talk to other fans, but this teams seems like it has gotten worse since the Theus firing. I hear about the “professionalism” of Natt and all his positivies. Still, it just feels like the team is not improving at all. And, as I said – to me – they seem to be playing worse. Offensively. Defensively. And I don’t like his rotations at all.
Tell me why I am wrong. Maybe, it’s just the negative vibe over the past several weeks, and I am full of it.
by Kusian on Feb 3, 2009 1:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not wrong
Professionalism is great and all. So is trying to teach the basics. I sense there is much more to being a successful NBA head coach.
And whatever that is, Kenny Natt doesn’t seem to have it.
Gunga Galunga
by otis29 on Feb 3, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Silas & Jeff Bzdelik head my desirables
You?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Silas idea
Don’t know much about Bzdelik, to be honest.
Gunga Galunga
by otis29 on Feb 3, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Bzdelik's resume looks bad
Cuz he coached the Nuggets to a 17-65 season his first season coaching (02-03). But, he was a 500 coach after that. He coaches at Colorado now after a successful stint at Air Force.
The thing I like about Bzdelik is that he’s a Pat Riley disciple, and has coached bad teams before. (Which I don’t think will necessarily make him want to leave Colorado. He likes living there apparently.)
The biggest argument that I have for Silas is that he can help this team onto the right track. He doesn’t have to be the guy who gets this team to a championship, but he has to put this team back in the right direction. With Kenny Natt, I don’t see it. But, as long as this team currently has all the players it does have at the moment, then I fail to see how Paul Silas would make a difference either. Shades of purple I suppose….
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He called Boozer a cunt
wonder what he’ll call Brad?
www.mancancook.net
by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully nothing
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 5, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we're likely to see Eddie Jordan
Petrie brought Coachie back and with the type of players he goes after it’s likely he’ll pick up another coach that will run a Princeton offense.
I know everyone wants a defensive minded coach, but we don’t have defensive minded players. However, if we were to go for a defense first coach, what about Tom Thibodeau? What are the chances we pry him from Boston?
www.mancancook.net
by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Still, it just feels like the team is not improving at all. And, as I said – to me – they seem to be playing worse. Offensively. Defensively. And I don’t like his rotations at all.
Nobody could do anything with this group of players. The problem wasn’t with the coaching when Theus was around, it isn’t with the coaching now and it won’t be with the coaching next year. It’s the players.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on Feb 3, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your logic is faulty
The team is playing worse under Natt. So, although Reggie wasn’t the total problem, Natt isn’t void of some blame now. We weren’t giving up over 115ppg aver under Reggie with the same players.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 4, 2009 1:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's obvious
They have gotten a lot worse to the point they have no confidence or even pride. Seems to me the Maloofs have bungled the team badly. I’m thinking it might not be too long before they sell the franchise just to be rid of it.
Reggie was not a bad coach. I think they got rid of him because he refused to get rid of Chuck and Joe Maloof did not like Chucky.
by KingsFan on Feb 3, 2009 2:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
When Reggie turned out not to be the problem
ALL the doubt turned inwards. Thats one of the dangers of using the coach as a Fall Guy mid-season.
At least he was showing some energy from the bench.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s a really good observation Lttg.
An average game by John Salmons would be the best game of Donte's career.
by ForThree on Feb 3, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reggie was awful this year
And the stories that came out after Theus’ firing paint a different picture than just Joe Maloof’s dislike for Chuck Person. Turns out Chuck was really doing the heavy lifting while Reggie kicked back.
Honestly, I thought the team had questionable energy during Theus’ stewardship this season. Last year, the team seemed to at least play hard for him.
Don’t forget, he oversaw the following home losses:
By 21 to Dallas
By 23 to Portland
By 33 to Denver
By 24 to the Knicks
And he was 2-9 on the road.
If Reggie was the answer, that was one fucked up question.
Gunga Galunga
by otis29 on Feb 3, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love this
If Reggie was the answer, that was one fucked up question.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All fair comments
But not to my point.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Otis didn't respond to your point
Or I don’t think he did. I wasn’t responding to what you said either.
But having said that, Theus was not all at fault, nor does he deserved to be absolved completely of blame either. The honest Venn Diagram of Reggie’s time as Head Coach here will show that he did make real fundamentally unsound mistakes.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Check the ego dude
You might want to see who we were replying to. :)
Gunga Galunga
by otis29 on Feb 3, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand what you are saying:
It wasn’t all Reggie’s fault. Hell, it might not even be Natt’s. It might just be that our players are not very good and that they over-achieved mightily as a group last year.
by Kusian on Feb 3, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is just the worst possible team at the worst possible time
Of coarse, when is a good time to be a bad team? When the draft is deep and there is a clear #1. This isn’t really the case at all this year. This certainly isnt a deep draft that much seems certain. Never know till the college year is over but is sure looks like a shallow draft from here.
I have cut the Mouth and Nose out of my Paper Bag, but I am contemplating not cutting out any EYE HOLES so I don't have to watch this mess at all...
by FaStRmAn on Feb 3, 2009 3:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There's clear #1 (so far)
but is it in a position we need?
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes The Kings need a pg Rubio is a PG and if he declares you will see him become the #1 choice over Griffin
by Beagle12 on Feb 3, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I’d be willing to bet that mock drafts would list Griffin over Rubio, but as the draft comes closer, whoever gets the 1st overall pick (crossing fingers), they’ll take Rubio.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except OKC
I think they would take Griffin.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just said it on another thread
But would GP/the Maloofs really pick Rubio if it was clear he wasn’t coming for a year or two?
They desperately need to sell tickets
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd pay 3 million to play here right now?
He can just keep that contract (scale) in his pocket for a year or two.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But he'll make so much more
He can pay for the buyout with his first year’s salary and still have $2 million left over. Or split it up over the first 3 years of his rookie contract and still have $12 million left. I don’t know what his salary for Joventut is but paying $3 million to make $12 in the NBA is well worth it.
And he will get quite a few endorsements simply by playing in California, period. End of story.
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by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think your numbers are off
According to the Coon CBA Q&A, the 2009/2010 #1 draft pick will make $13.4M if his contract is picked up in the 3rd year. If not, then he only is only guaranteed $8,8M. Rubio’s buyout is rumored to be about $7M euros which is $9.1M US. So, if they can make a deal to pay the buyout over 3 years, Rubio’s aver salary over that period would be $1.4M per year.
The danger is that if he gets seriously hurt or his game doesn’t translat to the NBA game, he might not get that 3rd yr contract and end up oweing more than he makes. If I were 19, with money in the bank and a star in my own country, I wouldn’t take that gamble.
One more point. He’s 19 yrs old, what he going to do with that money. He can’t even go into a bar and order a glass of wine. If he enters next year his buyout is less and the danger not as sever and he’ll still be slated to be the #1 pick. I think he’ll wait until next year, and then he might not come over until 2010/2011.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 4, 2009 1:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have to buy out
Just take the top 3 selection while he’s sure he has it, come over in a year or two ala Peja and THEN the first year of his contract starts with that guaranteed money of a top 3.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 4, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he will
He’s not going to get a favorable buyout until 2011 lttg. Why wait? He could easily recoup what he doesn’t get from the buyout later on. And, the kid is going to be really wealthy the rest of his life if he has a Rajon Rondo level career. Just imagine if he is as good as Gary Payton, or somebody like that. That’s a lot of endorsements on 2 continents, cuz Rubio is a really popular player.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure his buyout is clear after next year
I know there’s been talk about further years, but are there any facts on that?
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sac players don't get a lot of endorsements
he’d need to make a HUGE splash quickly.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He Speaks Spanish
He’s a popular player. Forget Sacramento for a moment. Europe will suffice on the endorsement circuit for him.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd need to have those in his pocket first I think
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you realize how much first overall picks make?
A ton of money, and a lot more than he could get playin for JKG Joventut, and with whatever endorsements he may get along the way. (He has a small contract, and a huge buyout because his team recognized, duh!, that the NBA would be after him as soon as he was eligible. Well, he’s eligible now.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Less than his buyout I think
in any case, my question stands:
Would GP/The Maloofs pick him unless there was some assurance he’d come next year?
They gotta sell some tickets.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The ticket issue is moot
I doubt think people will totally buy more tickets because Rubio comes over, particularly if he is an unpopular pick. Fans will come if the team wins. That’s the bottom line.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And anyone who tells me about an incredible flashy fun to watch player
Who can appeal to the Spanish speaking populace isn’t something to consider, I say you’re full of shit. (Or never lived in Sacramento. LOL)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You seem to ignore the main question
If GP & his new assistant can work out a long term payment plan to buy out Rubio’s contract, it’s still up to Rubio to gamble his future and the repayment, on his ability to get a max contract. You’ve pointed out numerous times that Rubio & his family and not overly obsessed with making money.
In 2 yrs Rubio will be 21 and able to enjoy all the benefits of being a legal age rich man in America. In 2 yrs the majority of the expense to buy out his contract, and the danger of not being able to repay it will be gone. In 2yrs he may be able to accomplish everything he wants to do in Europe. So, why would he come over here now.
Rubio will still be a top 5 draft pick in the 2010 draft. In fact, DX has him being #1 in the 2010 draft. So, why wouldn’t Rubio enter the 2010 draft, then either work out a cheeper buyout or even stay in Europe until 2011, and come over as a 21 yr old with no major expenses and a #1 draft contract.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Feb 3, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Conversly
if Rubio and his family are not overy obsessed with money then why not work out a buy out and come over sooner? He’d still become very rich here plus he’d get to play with the best players in the world and develop immensely playing against them. Waiting 2 or 3 years to come over and play in the NBA might actually hurt him, especially since the competition there isn’t even close to what it is here.
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by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He can get drafted #1 or 2 now
Wait a year or two and then his contract starts when he shows up. Thats the way it works, sorry if I wasn’t clear.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The clock doesn't start ticking
until he actually shows up for the team that drafted him, whether thats the first year or the 5th.
Thats why Tiago Splitter and some other will probably never come, he’d have to start his rookie contract at the $800k mark and go the 4 years.
(My condolences to he and his family by the way, I heard his 19 yr old sister died of Luekemia yesterday)
Anyway, the point is, Rubio is top 3 this year, he can bank that selection and just wait out his clauses in europe before coming, when he’d start his 4 yr rookie obligation – or never come(?)
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(Tiago was a 28th pick)
his salary would start below Donte’s per the CBA
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
shallow draft
With a draft as shallow as this one, I’d prefer to trade our high pick for a relatively young all-star. We’ll have at least 2 more high pick drafts to choose better rookies.
by ZenBaller on Feb 3, 2009 5:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A relatively young all-star
Would that relatively young all-star be someone like Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take either
I’d prefer Bosh but Amaré would be more likely.
Imagine it: Donté and Amaré
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by vfettke on Feb 3, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bleh
No Thanks. I won’t make my anti-Amare preference known any longer.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 4, 2009 4:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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