When Life Hands You Lemons

I'd be much more eager

if we didn’t have to include Moore and Battie (in other words, just Beno for Redick, Cook, and a pick).

Are you thinking that swapping centers so they can clear cap space to re-sign Hedo is the only way they do this?

by twasserm on Feb 3, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

It might be that Beno is the best PG they could get without breaking up Nelson, Hedo, Howard, and Lewis, so maybe they’d be interested without the Moore/Battie portion. But I think clearing that extra $3M will put the deal over the top for them, since it goes a long way toward helping them bring Hedo back. To us, it’s not a big deal, because we’ll still be clearing like $14.8M from QD, Shelden, Bobby J, and Cooke. And on top of that we might be able to move Miller, K9, etc. for expiring stuff.

But yeah, if they’d do it w/o us having to take on Battie, more power to us.

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

That would mean taking on a lot of extra salary next year, about 5 mil, kind of ties our hands barring a salary dump elsewhere.

I know we get out of Beno’s 3 extra, but . . . . .It seems like a bit of an overreaction by Orlando as well, he’s only supposed to be out a few weeks.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If I were Orlando

I’d probably be thinking of an extra post-player to back up Howard, despite thier current Nelson problem.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Here comes Mikki Moore to save the day

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually I just saw the new article

That he may miss the rest of the season.

Hmmmmm

I still hate the extra money next year but…

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ben just updated with a statement from Otis Smith saying that Nelson will likely be lost

So, in a way, they will have to deal for a PG. It’s interesting to see what they will do, but this is going to get every team calling.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

They are talking about Nelson shutting it down now Lttg

So, it may not be a complete over-reaction. For whatever it’s worth, though, the gents @ 3QC do not like any idea of our’s either.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We may have a chance to have someone over a barrel then

without taking on one of those contracts, if something could be done, I might be in.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Who cares what thier fans say?

(I read some of it, thanks for the link) What will thier GM do?

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Otis probably won't do a Beno trade

Almost 100%.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd definitely do this

But I doubt anybody in Orlando will love this. The only part I think that you bring up, that’s worth anything, is that they can save money by buying out Moore vs paying Battie. Other than that, I find it a bit difficult to believe Orlando will do anything with their 1st round pick when they’re taking Beno’s salary off the Kings hands.

Here’s a sort of that point made by Ben Q Rock of 3QC.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 11:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I proposed something similar on a fanshot

I’ll delete it because there is on point in having 2 conversations on the subject.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe just link it

If you would. I don’t keep up on the fanshots as much as I should, so I never got a chance to read it.

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I deleted it

Was no point in keeping it around with this up.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm

Well someone on Orlando’s roster has to be expendable. I’d take any combination of contracts on that when added to Battie is tradeable for Beno and Mikki. Bogans? Courtney Lee? Bring ’em on.

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Beno's contract is a poison pill

That’s the point I’m making. But if I were Orlando, and I wanted to help shore up my position, with a young enough player who has talent, I’d take this type of risk. It’s not like Beno is Jamaal Tinsley or anything where the Pacers told Tins he couldn’t come anywhere near the team.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Definitely

I’ve made two trade proposals in the last two hours to get rid of this guy. I hate his contract.

That said, I definitely think he’s got the ability to help a very good team get through a very bad time. Is Beno overpaid? Sure. But so is Rashard Lewis, and they seem to like him plenty.

Otherwise they’re going to have to take their pick of the Dan Dickaus of the world, because I can’t imagine a PG better than Beno being available to them without breaking up their core four.

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope I can't imagine a better PG than Beno available

Although, there is a lot of idea’s out there coming out of the woodwork for this exact reason. Orlando has a few expendable assets, and Sacramento would be better off trading Beno away for them in the long run. Even if Petrie doesn’t want to do it, he should from a financial perspective.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Agreed. Rec'd

I think the deal is Beno for Battie. No picks involved. We get $6 million+ in cap room after 2010. Orlando gets a young, mediocre PG for an aging, mediocre PF.

by ttylerbballcamper on Feb 3, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

that would be a tough pill for me to swallow

Battie is utterly worthless to us. But you’re right, paying Beno $20M from 2010-2013 would be even tougher. Yuck.

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I would be willing to do Beno/Douby for Cook/Redick and the Vasquez pick myself

But, yeah, I’d do what you suggest also.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What's the deal with Fran Vasquez?

I kinda forgot he existed.

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He's probably not ever coming over

But, who knows, somewhere down the line, he could be useful as a cheap role player (even though he’ll be on the rookie scale when he does come over).

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Like Tiago Splitter

I think he’s have to start back down at what the pay scale is for the position he was drafted.

A huge pay cut. (I know its true of Tiago, he’s have to take $800 k for three years or something – probably never happen)

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A less attractive option

but more likely in terms of getting Orlando to agree.

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

we homers tend to either

undervalue or overvalue our players. I’m sure that there are fans in other cities who have been impressed with beno when they saw him play. I’m thinking that beno would be a decent contract at about 3 mil per year but there is always a premium on pg’s. If we don’t draft rubio I’d still like petrie to consider a trade with chi for hinrich.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Feb 3, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Chicago probably won't do that though

That’s the issue.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Then again, maybe they don't need another PG

I mean, how hard is it to get the ball to Dwight Howard?

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 12:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

If you want to talk about this over at 3QC

I suggest using this thread to do so.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 12:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Nice

I’ll be interested to read their reactions. I doubt it’ll see much support since it’s a trade for an overpaid, mediocre player. But I really do think that something like this is their best option, unless they want to just play out the season with Anthony Johnson and draft a real backup.

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry

I’m still on the “Otis Smith can go f#ck himself” bandwagon.

Gunga Galunga

by otis29 on Feb 3, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL okay

I can’t imagine why you would think that though.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Because he insulted Petrie

AND ONLY THE FAMILY CAN TALK SHIT ABOUT THE FAMILY!

Everyone else gets their asses whooped. :)

Gunga Galunga

by otis29 on Feb 3, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Quoting me to me

This is a new low for you Otis.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry bro

I owe you a beer.

Gunga Galunga

by otis29 on Feb 3, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No worries

I’m too old to not laugh at myself.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We're not laughing at you we're laughing with you young man

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Feb 4, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No you're laughing at me

But that’s quite alright. I laugh at me. So does that mean even though you’re laughing at me, when I’m laughing at me too, does that mean we’re laughing together?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 4, 2009 3:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I was only laughing near you.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 5, 2009 5:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But of course

How could I ever have gotten it so wrong?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 5, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

25 comments and no one mentions Marcin Gortat?

He’s a beast! I wouldn’t trade with Orlando unless he’s involved.

by nbrans on Feb 3, 2009 12:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Shhh

Don’t jinx it

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Otis Smith, if you're reading this, please forget I said anything

Also get back to work.

by nbrans on Feb 3, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of Gortat

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-Marcin-Gortat-can-hook-you-up-with-old-so;_ylt=ArYq4dcepf7gJce6f8GPqMk.PaB4?urn=nba,137776

by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Here is the link

In case you want to actually see it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry :(

Don’t know why my copy and paste came up funky.

by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

In the long run

Just linking is easier. LOL (It’s the chain figure next to the tree pic. Just copy & paste the link and away you go.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Why would Orlando give up Gortat?

It’s why I never mentioned him.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Because they don't seem to realize how good he is?

by nbrans on Feb 3, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

To win 'now'?

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Gordat might make me

stop drooling over Thabeet’s potential (maybe).

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey!

What about BobbyJ? Think we could get something from them for him?

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 1:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Thought about it

But I don’t think they could give us anything of equal value, since he’s expiring.

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And the Maloofs will for sure expect expirings in return for any deal they get that isn't Douby's I bet

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just checked back on Pook's link to 3QC

doesn’t look like they’re coming up with anything reasonable either. Felton, Barbosa, etc. are going to cost them more than Redick, Cook, and the other garbage at the end of their bench.

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 1:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

yep

unrealistic

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The point is that

They would indulge in their fantasies, rather than listen for us to offer our “trash” so they can clean it up. Erivera’s points about how valuable about Nelson have nothing to do with Beno, but he seems to think it matters a great more than it does.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Beno isn't "trash" .. I never relegated that term on him.

He’s just not a viable solution for the Magic, nothing more.

I realize GM Otis Smith is in a pinch, but that doesn’t mean he should make a hasty move that’ll cost him down the road. He already made one trade like that (Ariza for Cook/Evans) and it’s pretty clear the Magic came up on the losing side on that deal.

I also realize that Barbosa, Felton, and others are probably “unrealistic” options, but it doesn’t hurt to talk ‘fantasy’ trades nevertheless. Helps spur discussion.

Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website

by erivera7 on Feb 3, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Can't argue the sentiment of fantasy trades spurring discussion

It often gets anybody going.

Felton: I don’t see coming unless Augustin returns healthy (I could also see Charlotte not wanting to deal with Orlando being in the same division)
Barbosa: Depends on what Kerr wants for him—but unlikely

I didn’t say you thought Beno was trash; that wasn’t the point. I would be fine with the Kings keeping Beno honestly. I just don’t think he fits that well into what the KIngs have now with their main pieces.

Now as a viable solution on the court I disagree; as a viable solution overall because of his contract, that’s debatable. It’s a risk, and it’s a risk you wouldn’t take. It’s a risk I would. What it comes down to.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just got word from the boys over at BSotS ..

.. that Phoenix probably would be willing to take expiring contracts & picks, so Barbosa could (key word) be had via trade.

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by erivera7 on Feb 3, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't doubt they would consider it

I just wonder what Kerr will.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

With Steve Kerr, anything is possible. Hah.

Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website

by erivera7 on Feb 3, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No doubt

No doubt.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

One of their ideas is Earl Watson

Which isn’t such a bad idea actually.

They’re definitely not getting Barbosa or Felton though.

by nbrans on Feb 3, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Where is Watson now?

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oklahoma City

Given their hole at SG I’d imagine the deal could get done for something like Cook and Redick.

by nbrans on Feb 3, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What would Okl want

with those guys? Just a favor to Orl seems to me.

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I get your point

just don’t see that Okl would think there’s an answer there….

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think they want to be paying Watson

It clears some salary and they get a look at Redick. It may take more sweetening from Orlando, but something along those lines is more likely than a Beno trade, IMO.

by nbrans on Feb 3, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Cook & Redick make as much as Watson does next season btw

So, in fact, they wouldn’t be saving any salary.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ah

You’re right. I had thought Cook was expiring.

It might still work if Orlando offered them their 1st

by nbrans on Feb 3, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Unfortunately I'm right

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

don't know

I think OKC would have to demand a pick too, since Redick and Cook doesn’t give them any salary relief and creates a hole at PG.

But you’re absolutely right that he makes as much, if not more sense than Beno. He’s the low risk, low reward option.

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

*Watson is

the low risk/reward option

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think Keyon Dooling represents that for the Magic

Who knows if they want to acquire him after the problems he had with them over the summer.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I doubt Dooling would want to come back to Orlando.

He’s still pissed off about how the organization treated him during the off-season, and I don’t blame him for having that sentiment .. the Magic really low-balled him.

Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website

by erivera7 on Feb 3, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's why I think Otis Smith might consider Beno

They’re going to exhaust they’re preferred options quickly.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Anyway

It’ll be interesting to see who becomes the primary contender in the rip-off-the-Magic sweepstakes. With the amount of money they have locked into their top five, and the prospect of having to re-sign Hedo this summer, they are definitely in now-or-never mode.

by furious.d on Feb 3, 2009 2:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I definitely don't agree with that

I think that’s why there’s so much disagreement. Unless you find another All-Star level G to replace Jameer Nelson, it’s pretty unlikely you’re going to find a replacement that will keep the Magic headed to a possible championship.

Beno has talent, and maybe unrecognized talent by those who don’t watch him much, but he isn’t the caliber of player that Jameer Nelson is.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Feb 3, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs