Kevin Martin Sucks

The only problem is that for the most part this team is a big bag of crap. So even though he’s carrying them he’s still just carrying a big bag of crap.

At this point I’m tired of all the blame. It’s silly and pointless. This is what a rebuild looks like. It’s not like we’re completely underperforming. We’re not the Wizards who have the same team they’ve had for years (minues Arenas) that has done quite well until this season. We’re not the Clippers who for whatever reason just can’t perform. We’re not quite the Thunder who are super young but obviously on the way to decency. We’re somewhere right in between. We have just the right combination of older vets who would make great roleplayers and young guys that will be great in the future. This combination means we’re destined for sucktitude. Which is fine. If the Maloofs just let Petrie do his job and rebuild this team we’ll be okay. Let him pick his players, let him pick his coach. Let him do his god damned job and we’ll be fine

Great read section. I especially like your take on constructive criticism. Yes, this team is playing horrible and it is getting impossible to watch them but can we at least make some smart comments instead just throwing everyone under the bus? The worst part is that, just like GMs panic, we are also panicking (and getting crazier with every passing game).

I’ve said it a couple times, please don’t let this team’s horrible play and horrible record impair your judgement. Martin is a quality player in this league. No, he may not be able to take a team to a championship by himself but he could play an important role on a championship team. I see him as the Ginobli/ Pierce (Allen)/ Rip Hamilton of a team that goes all the way. Take out those players of their team and the Spurs, Celts, and Pistons don’t get their rings.

I also agree a lot with section in that this team is playing so bad that every flaw on every player’s game just gets THAT much more clear and Kevin is definitely not an exception. You think if we had better pieces around him we would be talking about his defense right now? We would probably concentrate on how effective of an socrer he is and hw much his assists have gone up since his teammates actually started to make baskets off his passes. Yes, his defense needs a lot of work and he needs to become a better rebounder, we know that. Hopefully he’ll work on it, just like he has worked on other parts of his game. That’s the main thing, he’s willing to work on it. He will call coach Thope and ask him what he needs to do to get better and he’ll be in the gym the next morning. What more do you ask of your (worst case scenario) 3rd best player??

One more thing that I think gets overlooked is that he has never ever (at least I’ve never read anywhere about it) said anything about leaving Sacramento or wanting to be traded. Even with this team, I have never heard even a small rumbling.

I was going to write a fanpost on this but now that I have the forum I’ll rather do it here. With all this ‘Martin sucks’ sentiment and some asking for him to be traded, could someone think of a serious trade that includes Kevin?? Don’t even get too specific about money, say he makes 11 mil. a year and go from there (also forget his BYC which makes him almost impossile to trade and get far value back). Can you find other player in the L that would improve this team or that would be better than Kevin moving forward? Try it and see what happens.

Fucking thank you for putting my frustration in to words. I cannot tell you how fucking crazy it drives me to see so many people bash Kevin day in and day out. Is he Jordan, no. But he ain’t Ryan Leaf either (find your own fucking parallel).

Anyone questioning whether or not he is the best player on this team is a fool; a fucking fool. Do the Kings suck? He’ll yes. Does Kevin Martin suck? Hell no. Is it Kevin Martins fault that the Kings suck? FUCK no.

We may not know how hurt he is, but there is no question that he is injured. And he still puts up elite numbers. I am not ready to call him elite either, but his numbers at least put him in the discussion.

I appolpgize for all the swearing, but fuck. Shit drives me crazy.

Section, consider your post rec’d

I like KMart. All things considered he’s an above average SG and cheap. However I don’t think he’s untouchable. Wing positions are typically easier to fill and his frame/game being FT reliant makes me worry about his longevity. If a reasonable deal comes up then you have to at least consider it. Lemme reiterate Kevin Martin does not suck (so people will not see this as a KMART bash post).

I just poured out some 15 year scotch (truth). Respect to your (and everyone’s) father.

Martin doesn’t suck. But, he’s a major player (pt wise) on the worst defensive team in the league. A team that is giving up 120ppg lately. Although he’s not totally to blame, he’s also not relieved of some of the blame.

Why is John Salmons always assigned to defend the other teams best scorer even if it’s the SG. You don’t see Martin defending Kobe, it’s always John. So, obviously the team knows he has short comings, why is everyone here blind to the fact that scoring isn’t everything. People rave about Martins’ shooting effecency, and in the same thread bemoan how bad the defense is. I don’t get it.

Beno has 3 TO in a game and everyone wants to dump him, and Martin has 5 and everyone ignores it because he scores 30pts. He’s not garbage but he’s not the perfect SG either. In fact, if we started a thread on who we would rather have instead of Martin, I’m sure we could come up with 20 names.

Martins our guy, drafted by us ,and developed by us, so sure everyone wants to come to his defense. But, if we’re really going to rebuild this team into a contender that plays good offense & defensive, then we have to take the blinders off, and make realistic evaluations of our players. And, just like QD, we can’t take forever for them to develop into a complete player, one that plays both ends of the court. And, that should be the same with every member of the team, and not just the ones that don’t score 24ppg.

You need to be Buzz Worth Mr 214. Say hello to Pops 214. He raised a hell of a kid. Jes sayin…..

Onto Kevin Martin. A mediocre team having a crummy season, is, well, just that. People act like this team hasn’t been blown out by Phoenix before, but they have. Like last year. And the year before that. Playing in Phoenix when Amare Stoudemire is there is always a bad proposition for Sacramento. He seems to always play at his very best against the Kings, and for whatever reason.

Most people here know Kevin Martin doesn’t suck. I think it would be a bad thing for Kevin if he quit on this team long term. It would not help this group long term rebuild it’s identity, which almost certainly will include Kevin, and if he shuts it down because he’s an All-Star, and there are special rules for him, then that could create an additional locker room problem. I respect Kevin because his image and career respect is on the line. The only thing this season has proven is that Beno Udrih and Brad Miller resurgence last season might have been the fluke that none of us should have counted on. This season isn’t about what Kevin Martin ISN’T doing.

of I am So Sick of Kevin Martin, Ziller’s recent essay on the subject.

You kind of skipped over his defensive liabilities, but that’s not a very important part of the game.

Kevin can score very efficiently and is playing hurt, but is not too hot in most other aspects of the game and needs some help. He’s not a superstar who can by his sheer presence make the team a .500 club. He’s a complement, not the straw that stirs the drink.

Untouchable? Addressed ad nauseum in other threads, and it’s basically a matter of opinion. Marketable? Definitely. Tradable at the moment? Do a Pookey search.