Perhaps signaling a willingness to dismantle their roster, the Phoenix Suns have begun exchanging trade proposals with teams for All-Star forward Amare Stoudemire, league executives told Yahoo! Sports on Thursday. ... If Kerr and assistant GM David Griffin do trade Stoudemire, a four-time All-Star, they want a combination of expiring contracts, a talented young player – preferably a forward – and draft picks.
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So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
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No sweat --
I’m going to delete your FanPost to keep discussion here, but I’ll replicate your excellent poll for the FP.
So long. Farewell.
Bye Spencer. Bye Rox pick. Bye Brad.
I’ll only miss one of you
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Although
Spencer might play better with Amare then JT with his ability to step away from the basket.
Just wish there was a way to keep both Spence and JT to pick up Amare. If only we could get another pick to send the Suns way.
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We'd need to trade something else first to land another 1st rounder
to make anything work I think.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 5, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Brilliant...
Two white stiffs and a draft pick for one of the most explosive players in the NBA, Steve Kerr might be dumb enough to do it. I like it, add a premier point guard and we got a contenda!!
KINGS FANS, TONIGHT WE DINE IN HELL!!!
by The Artist Formerly Known as CrownUs93 on Feb 5, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
hi
first post over here i’m a knicks fan.
anyway – yes! kerr is dumb enough. he’s plenty dumb. but i bet shaq nixes any brad miller ideas. they always seem to want to throw at each other. and as i recall – they have. back when miller was in chicago.
Respectfully
Shaq threw a punch at Miller about 40 years ago, when Brad was still interested in playing defense. My bet is that Shaq wouldn’t care one way or the other.
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I
wonder how Pookey will vote …….
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by shadow1480 on Feb 5, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I voted for
“The shooting myself because the thought of watching Amare Stoudemire in a Kings uniform is just too much to bear,” option.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Seriously?
You watched Ron Artest’s crazy ass and Brad Miller’s lazy ass, and you couldn’t watch Stoudemire?
Shut up and Coach
In all fairness
Pookey hates both of those guys too. :)
Gunga Galunga
by otis29 on Feb 6, 2009 4:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Never wanted Ron
And Brad Miller wasn’t always this lazy.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
And
I didn’t watch the majority of games that Ron Artest played in Sac either Carl. I almost quit being a fan of the team in 2006. I will quit being a fan of the team if the Kings get Amare Stoudemire.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
C'mon
Put your money where your mouth is – threaten to jump off the ’Burg Dubai. :)
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Is that Salmons
or Slamson :)
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 5, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Slamson is untouchable
or at least should be
by betweentheeyes on Feb 6, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
Keep in mind
That our biggest problems are not offensive production. It is in fact rebounding and defensive production. Amare is not a very good on the ball defensive player (great in the help side which is where most of his blocks come from) and his rebounding is sub-par for a player with his athleticism.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 5, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions
Maybe this gets it done?
Sac in: Amare
Sac Out: Beno, Salmons, BJax, Rox 1st
Phx in: Howard, Bjax, Rox 1st
Phx out: Amare
Dal in: Salmons, Beno
Dal Out: Howard
I think the Suns do it. Not sure about Dallas. Although they get someone just as productive as Howard plus their backup PG.
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we're on the same page
I worked out a three-team with phoenix and dallas in which we end up with Amare and Kidd. We give up both first rounders, JT, Salmons and the scrap heep. Dallas ends up with Beno, Miller, Salmons, BJax and tons of cap space and our first rounder, Phx gets JT and Howard and probably Houston’s first rounder.
Sac new line-up: Kidd, Martin, Garcia, Amare, Hawes. I would renew my season tix!
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Feb 5, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
May I present...
…your Sacramento Suns! (with Kevin Martin instead of Joe Johnson)
but of course
MIAMI gets
Shelden Williams
Brad Miller
Beno Udrih
NEW YORK gets
Bobby Jackson
John Salmons
Spencer Hawes
PHOENIX gets
Kenny Thomas
Bobby Brown
Quincy Douby
Mikki Moore
SACRAMENTO gets
Stephon Marbury
Quentin Richardson
Amare Stoudemire
Shawn Marion
;)
It leaves us with NO PGs
No, I’m not going to count Starbury.
But we could deal with it later. The trade machine doesn’t count draft picks (as they technically have no value) but I assume Phx would have to get Several!
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 5, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
also to clarify
this trade proposal was entirely a joke =P
I wouldn't mind parting with both
JT AND Spencer for Amare as long as we can keep OUR pick.
I would also trade the Kings pick if it means we get to keep JT and Hawes.
Blake Griffin, Ricky Rubio, sorry fellas but they do not project to be more talented than Amare.
BOOK IT!
I also don't understand this cancer talk.
C-Webb was supposedly a cancer and I’d say he’d completely turned this franchise around 180.
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Feb 5, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ding! Ding! Ding!
If Amare becomes a number 1 option, which he will, he’ll produce. I don’t totally blame him for being a little angry. He was the franchise’s cornerstone then Shaq comes in and wants the ball and decides he’s healthy and can play well all of a sudden.
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by vfettke on Feb 5, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Its one of those things out there
so it had to be included as an option.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 5, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t comment on Webber’s pre-Kings days since I was maybe 13, but from what is out on Amare, I do consider him a “cancer.” My lasting memory of Webber was when he came out of the timeout to guard Shaq in the playoffs. Even Artest, cancer he may be, desperately played to win. I don’t see that desire to want to win with Amare. He refuses to play defense, doesn’t board, and cares more of individual STATs. He disappears on plays where he’s not the option. All the recent stuff coming out of Phoenix is that Amare is wearing out his welcome with fans and veterans. Add in the fact that Amare’s numbers are Nash inflated (47% shooter prior), I just don’t think he’s worth the hassle. Bosh on the other had, I would want.
by SeeingStars on Feb 5, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He screamed during the whole strike yr
and mostly through his first year that he wanted Ooout! Later, all was (mostly) forgiven.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 5, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
I Agree
Bosh looks like a solid cornerstone (minus this season but injuries and a coaching change have stalled the franchise). Amare if we were to get him and NOT give up one of young guys and still had our pick i would do it.
To me it seems like phoenix wants to go all in and make a run with Nash. What with Kerr saying that Nash is the only player on the roster not available. If they trade stat that leaves one other productive rotation player under 29 (barbosa) Nash, Richardson, Shaq are all 29+. All that being said if we sent Miller, Salmons, Moore OR Bjax (this might be more likely) to Phoenix it still does not mess with the cap space in 2010 for them and gives us a “Superstar” type player in Amare (at least offensively) and makes our biggest need a PG who can distribute and defend.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 5, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
The Amare talk is Chris Webber all over again. Petrie would not hesitate. The going rate for Amare is going to be out lottery pick this season, one of Thompson or Hawes and expirings.
Shut up and Coach
I went to college with C-Webb, I had season tix for C-Webb, Amare, you are no C-Webb
C-Webb had two of the best hands in league history, he was the best-passing and playmaking big man in the league, he led the league in rebounding the first full year with Sac, he developed an automatic elbow jumper, he played D and blocked shots, he had an unusually high IQ, had the spatial awareness and cognitive ability to be eminently coachable, he had friends and admirers throughout the league, he made his teammates better, he made them believe in themselves, he made the game more fun for them…
My Lord, he did a HELL of a lot more than Stand Tall and Talented.
The similarities are completely superficial: (a) immature; (b) explosive; © Sac may be able to obtain at discount. The differences are what matters.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
The similarities are completely superficial: (a) immature; (b) explosive; © Sac may be able to obtain at discount. The differences are what matters.
- Already a star with an absolute clear line between here and superstardom.
- Relatively young.
- The Kings are down on its luck and going absolutely nowhere.
- His team is down on him for “underachieving.”
- So much better than anyone we have that refusing to bring Stoudemire in is like kicking Naomi Watts out of bed because she isn’t Charlize Theron.
- Puts the team one player (or some very good role players) away from championship contention for the next five years.
I’m a CWebb fan – I ponied up $100, purely to see the retirement ceremony tomorrow night, as I don’t much care about the 20 point loss that’s sure to follow. But I’m not going to overrate Webber while underrating Stoudemire.
C-Webb had two of the best hands in league history
No argument there.
he was the best-passing and playmaking big man in the league
Right after Kevin Garnett.
he developed an automatic elbow jumper
Well, not really. Webber was criticized, maybe rightly, maybe not, for not playing more in the low post. Stoudemire is a more efficient scorer by far.
he played D and blocked shots
Stoudemire and Webber’s career shotblocking numbers are the same. Stoudemire averaged 2.1 per game last year. It’s an issue of motivation, which – guess what – was Webber’s problem when he came to Sacramento.
he had friends and admirers throughout the league, he made his teammates better, he made them believe in themselves, he made the game more fun for them…
Maybe so, but he’d also been in legal trouble and worn out his welcome twice in his first five years in the league. Webber was known as a malcontent, troublemaker, underachiever and cancer before he came here. Sound familiar?
Here’s my point. Everything you’re saying about Amare Stoudemire today, someone said about Chris Webber in 1998.
If Geoff Petrie has an opportunity to get Stoudemire, he will. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on Feb 5, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
mikki moore was a much more efficient scorer with NJ than C-Webb in his prime
Amare has been Mikki to Steve Nash’s J-Kidd.
The playmaking is no comparison, and also the personality. Until he blew out his knew and turned into an a-hole who through his teammates under the team bus, C-Webb was a great guy who players loved playing with. As far as I know, out of the NBA’s 360 active players, only Amare likes Amare.
Until he blew out his knee, Webber was capable of solid defense. Amare, incapable.
Finally, there’s the nagging issue of Amare being dumb as a stump. Dumb as a stump is not good.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
mikki moore was a much more efficient scorer with NJ than C-Webb in his prime
Mikki Moore has never hit double figures in scoring. Amare Stoudemire has never hit less than 20 points after his rookie season.
I’m not arguing that Stoudemire is Chris Webber, or is better than Chris Webber. I’m saying that when you’re the worst team in the league and that kind of talent comes available, you go after it.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on Feb 6, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's the difference Carl
You’re giving up a real future to get Stoudemire. What did the Kings give up to get Webber? (Some of the real problems are on the court. Webber didn’t really have on the court issues either. Or at least not one’s that weren’t there all along anyway. And Webber was no great board man himself.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
no great board man? he led the entire NBA his first year with us...
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
Yeah and never came close again
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
not sure about JT AND spencer
if amare decides to take off in 2011 (or does he have an early opt-out in 2010…even worse), then we just lost both our young bigs for a 2-3 year flier on a guy during a rebuilding phase. i may be able to do one of the youngsters, but probably not both.
I hate Amare Stoudemire so I'll put this in context for you
If the Kings are considering Stoudemire, why not just consider Ron Artest? That’s essentially how I feel about this deal.
New York I think is the best possibility particularly if Marbury & Lee become involved. I was thinking about writing a fanpost on it, but now, nah. No point.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I suppose the addendum to this
Is I’d rather be french kissed by Richard Simmons than root for a team with Amare Stoudemire on it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Ugh
When Richard nailed me it wasn’t as bad as I expected, plus I got a free sweating with the Oldies CD.
I admit I was spitting and rinsing for a week though
by ElRonToro on Feb 5, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd!!
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 5, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
even if....
amare were to leave in 2-3 years, JT would have developed into a soild player. And within those 2-3 years GP would have surround amare with some solid supporting players. And if amare were to leave it will allow us alot of cap room to sign another quailty player
Now that's the kind of purple kind of kool-aid I love to see!!!!!!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
If...
he goes anywhere, it will be NYC in my opinion. Amare and Barbosa for Marbury (immediate buy-out), Robinson, Lee, and a pick. Makes sense for both sides. Realistically, the Kings don’t have the talent to entice Kerr (unless Petrie was willing to trade KMart, JT, and the Kings 1st and we know that’s not going to happen). And I highly doubt Kerr wants to trade within his division.
I agree with that
NY has the perfect asset’s for Phoenix to get a deal done. You don’t let your past with D’Antoni dictate how you build your team in the future. If you’re smart.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I've tried hard to figure out a NYK trade
But it’s tough, because I don’t know if NYK would take on Barbosa and potentially complicate 2010 considering how unlikely it is that they’ll be able to dump Curry/Jeffries. I also think there are pride issues at stake here, namely the bad blood between Phoenix and D’Antoni. Just don’t see it happening.
I think Toronto is more likely.
I don't think the Kings are gonna get Amare
Few reasons:
Suns probably don’t want to send Amare within their own division/conference if they can help it. Amare might feed off of trying to beat Pheonix into a pulp. Would be good for us, not so much for them.
I don’t really see anything that we have that Phoenix would want other than JT and Spencer and I don’t want to get rid of them for a guy who might only be here for a couple years.
Maybe the Kings could work something out here.
Maybe they would bite in this deal along with the Houston pick and a future lottery protected #1.
or something like this deal with the Kings giving up Houstons pick and OK giving up either Denvers #1 this year or San Antonios #1 this year.
Deal #1 gives Kerr cap space, a young big in Hawes and a relatively cheap Salmons +12 million in cap relief dollar and 2 picks.
Deal #2 gives Kerr a ton of cap space and two picks this year- along with Hawes.
Udrih is easily added to either of these deals and I see the Suns looking to dump Barbosa along with Amaré in this purge. Food for thought, not a prediction.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
Cap space has a value- especially for a team sitting at the bottom of the playoff bracket.
This deal would knock 22 million off of the Suns cap number for next season. Total savings of roughly 36 million when you include luxury tax dollars and you add a young top ten pick 7 footer in Hawes and 2 draft picks.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
Interesting
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 5, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Donte's 40 point game was against PHX
just sayin…
Brad, John, Donte, Rox pick, 2010 lottery-protected first. Make it so, Geoff.
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