I’d give up anybody but KM and JT to get him, time to roll the dice. He’s a game changer and as the face of a franchise (only just 26, same as KM) he could easily settle down ala Webber.

I’d sure like to hold onto our 1st pick but in this draft, but unless you get 1-2, I don’t know what the diff between 3-10 is barring a lucky guess.

I know the Bee folks have to write to the lowest common denominator, but you’re writing is often better than people who are paid to do this for a living. Has anybody actually ever met Tom Ziller? That sounds like a made up name if I’ve ever heard one. Are you secretly Jason Levien?

Can we do a 4 yr rebuilding plan with draft picks?

Salmons,Hawes,Brown,Jackson&Williams for Amare & Barnes
Maybe a draft pick?
What do you think?

That look on Amare’s Webber’s face in the picture perfectly captures what we’d get until he left for Miami New York as a free agent.

I’m sorry, but no thanks. He’s a real talented guy, I like his game, I don’t even think he’s a complete cancer, its plausible he could grow up, but the payoff isn’t worth the risk he’s going to leave.

Seems kind of crucial.

But hey, I say go for it. We can’t have two franchise power forwards who blow out their knees, right?

Um. Right?

Pros:
-Webber parallels
-Absolute beast on the offensive end
-Appears fully recovered from any knee issues
-Wants to be “the man”, would be “the man” for this team

Cons:
-Webber parallels (can we get that lucky twice?)
-Defensive issues
-Giving up Hawes or JT
-Attitude concerns

My beef with Amare is not his abilities as a player. I don’t think anyone can truly question his playing abilities (if you do, you’re dumb. sorry). The issue is the unknowns. The intangibles.

I remember when we traded for Webber. I was never a big Richmond fan, but I hated the idea of Webber. Clearly I was wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. I ended up loving the guy, as did the rest of the city. When he was traded away, I knew it had to happen, but I was very sad. I wrote a very long article on my old blog (sadly this blog no longer exists and I don’t have any archives). But I find it very fascinating that we’re discussing Amare’s pros and cons right now, as we prepare to retire Webber’s jersey.

I’m going to reserve my final judgement. I honestly haven’t decided how I feel about trading for Amare yet. But today is about Webber.

I don’t want to live on a planet where Kings fans say no to this.

And I don’t want to live on a planet where Amare Stoudemire is on the Kings. So I guess that is that.

All the things I think you say are true TZ, but I’m not seduced by them enough for the Kings to offer anything that gets Phoenix’s attention.

Consider me on planet anti-Amare.

  
2008-09 Season Comparison
Player Team G MIN PPG FG FGP FT FTP RPG APG BPG TO PF
Carlos Boozer 12 406 20.5 99 .559 48 .727 11.7 2.7 0.3 24 40

Spencer Hawes 46 1215 10.0 188 .431 63 .708 6.5 1.5 1.4 86 149

Lamar Odom 46 1253 9.7 169 .484 89 .610 6.3 2.4 1.1 81 130

A Stoudemire 47 1737 21.0 350 .537 283 .832 2.0 1.1 1.1 135 149

J Thompson 50 1290 10.5 209 .504 108 .720 6.9 1.0 0.5 90 181

Essentially the kings have been non competitive for almost 4 seasons. 2005-2006 last half of the season with the addition of Artest maybe the exception.

I hear a lot of talk about sticking with Hawes and JT as our two starting big men. I like JT and think Hawe’s will be an adequate center but certainly not a star. Tim Duncan and David Robinson they’re not.

If done right(trades/drafts) there is no reason why we shouldn’t be a playoff contender in
2010.

Let the trades begin

On his KNBR show with Ralph Barbieri about three weeks ago I heard Tom Tolbert really ripping Amare. Apparently he’d seen Stoudemire play the previous night and Mr T spent three or four minutes talking about how Amare was probably the most overrated player in the NBA:
“… Does absolutely nothing on the court accept score”;
“… totally useless without the ball in his hands”
“…should be a great rebounder but he’s barely adequate”
etc etc, those those type comments.

Not saying I agree, but I’ve seldom heard Tolbert so down on a player as that afternoon.

Amare Stoudamire is a top ten talent. He has recovered miraculously from reconstructive knee surgery. When the team was winning and he was ’the man" he was a joy to watch.

The Suns traded Marion because Marion and Stoudamire could not co-exist – is this more Marions’ problem, Stoudamires’ or both? Stoudamire’s BB IQ is poor. He is not a Geoff Petrie type of player.

BTW – the Suns move to full bore rebuilding mode if the trade Amare with both Nash and Shaq still in the fold. I don’t see that happening and don’t understand the logic.

rec’d

I agree with your coaching assessment. A star like Amare would have to respect the coach to be on board. Defense as is often said is heart and will – all players have the ability few the desire. Coachie would have instant respect but he is not the Head Coach. Eddie Jordan and the Princeton offense would be a natural for Amare (maybe not the passing) but it favors abiity (as an example of it not excludiing IQ – see Wallace, Gerald). A guy like Thibodeau may be more Tex Winters and just not Head Coach material, don’t know.

I don’t know how to post a poll: How would this community vote on – Amare for trading this yeas’ unprotected #1 pick (could be #1 Blake Griifin, Rubio, could be #3, 4, 5) and Spencer and an Expiring (K9?)?