Remembering #4
Here's Jason Thompson from Full Court Press:
Tonight is the big night C-Webb gets his #4 jersey retired. It’s good to look up to a guy like him, especially since I was drafted by the Kings. My first authentic NBA jersey was a C-Webb Kings jersey — go figure! I just had my jersey retired at Rider. Now witnessing him get his retired by the Kings will be a great thing. Just for me to see how much he means to the Kings community and the city will be great. I’ve met him and he seems like a real nice guy. Hopefully I can keep in touch and get some workouts in with him because he’s obviously left some big shoes to fill! I’m trying to achieve his status and earn the respect he had from his teammates, the city and other opponents.
The franchise put together this package back when he was traded; the scowl at about the 1:05 mark kills me every time.
In the comments, offer up your memories of #4: videos, games, quotes, moments.
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Tonight should be great
Might give the team a shot in the arm as well.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
I'll try
though I’m far from the most eloquent person on this site.
I grew up in the Lakers/Celtics days, when Showtime was fun and good.
Then the thug era began, the Pistons with their great back court perfected it, MJ was derailed for a time, basketball wasn’t a lot of fun.
MJ’s dominance, truly a special time admiring a great talent, MJ’s retirement. The birth of the throw the ball into Hakeem and have everyone stand around shooting threes era; no MJ means the NBA is back to pretty dull. An NBA game doesn’t really look like basketball, its an exploitation of the defensive rules.
MJ’s back, yup, he’s still the greatest, no one else is close, ho-hum, other than watching MJ, there’s not much to recommend the league.
Then we drafted J-Will and Webber comes here. And HOLY SHIT!! basketball is fun. And even better, in a twist no one could possibly imagine, its my hometown Sacramento Kings that are teaching the entire world what fun and sharing of a basketball can mean. Our Kings, who have never done anything beyond have a few tremendous pros, our guys, are showing the world, that hell yes, you can actually enjoy basketball, it can actually be fun to watch and the athleticism of these men is truly special and can be put to use at something beyond throwing it into the post and jacking up three’s or endless isolation plays.
The J-Will / Webber era may not have been our best teams, but they were fun and we were feared. We may lose half the time, but when you walked into Arco, if we were having a good night, you were damn afraid you were leaving as pictures on next years collectible cards. Webber made the entire franchise relevant. No one gave a rat’s ass about Sacramento basketball further away than Galt before C-Webb and J-Will turned it around and made Kings basketball, sharing, risk-taking and shooting a worldwide phenomenon.
The the J-Will/Bibby trade; fun goes corporate. I won’t bash Bibby, we had to do it, we had to try to win, and Bibby was a great player for us. We rolled the dice, we played to win, everyone here knows the history.
I will always remember as C-Webb being the best player on those teams. I will never forget the misses, but damnit I will always remember the makes too. For the press Webber has gotten about big games, people don’t give him nearly enough credit. He made some tremendous shots for the Kings and some unbelievable plays. For the great hands, the athleticism, the dunks, the unbelievable passes, the time spent guarding a young Shaq who outweighed him by 80 pounds with fire, the series against Karl Malone and the Jazz that put an end to their relevance and legitimized our guys, for the joy, and for the misses and not quites, I will always appreciate Chris Webber.
An average game by John Salmons would be the best game of Donte's career.
by ForThree on Feb 6, 2009 12:23 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
Excellent
Says pretty much everything I’d want to say.
I’ll add grats to C-Webb. You deserve it. Thanks for the memories and good luck in whatever you do in the future.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 6, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Nice
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 6, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
I like it 4 3
Great stuff.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
for me basketball's renaissance began eight years earlier
When C-Webb was part of the Fab-Five at my college. Those guys were so much fun, so joyful, so creative, so inspiring. It remains, for me, the best thing that had happened to basketball since my childhood hero, Dr. J.
C-Webb was a truly compelling (if tragic) figure: thoughtful, human, creative, inspired, brilliant – as well as flawed, narcissistic, fearful, tormented with self-doubt, vulnerable, sensitive, trying to live up to impossible expectations and painfully, painfully unlucky.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
by Holmdel on Feb 6, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
That is a great way to encapsulate him
Well said Holmdel.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
It's going to be quite a night
The video brought tears to my eyes, and ForThree wrapped it up beautifully.
I wouldn’t love this team like i do if it wasn’t for #4.
Thanks Chris, and thank you StR.
Brett
I was buying it until this line
Last I checked Utah was still relevant. Our guys are not.
Webber was so important to this town and this team, but unfortunately the effects of his presence on the team did not outlast him (unlike the player and team you choose to compare him to—Karl Malone and the Jazz. Webber was a superstar for several years, but I’d be surprised (and a bit disappointed frankly) if he makes it into the Hall of Fame.
I think you missed my point
The playoff series where we beat the Jazz was the changing of the guard. Beating the Malone/Stockton team was what announced the Kings had arrived as a legit team and was the final nail in the end of that Jazz team. Of course since then both teams have been almost completely changed.
Webber
Webber is relevance.
Webber was the first crack of light on the horizon, the beginning of a new day. The first beacon of hope, before we stepped into the light and felt the warmth of the sun.
Webber is that grin. That smile that reminds you that this is a really fun game. The joy that children show when they play basketball.
Webber is pain. The pain in bad knees. The pain in a career derailed. The pain in coming up just short.
Webber is the anti-hero. The guy that people liked watching fail. Not in Sacramento, but everywhere else.
Webber is the face of the franchise. To this day, he is the player most easily associated with the Sacramento Kings. That’s why today is so right. I’m visiting Sacramento in a couple of weeks. I’m thinking it will be worth the price of a ticket just to see that #4 in the rafters.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Feb 6, 2009 1:48 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Brilliant
when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??
by diehardkingsfan5 on Feb 6, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Gee, where do I start
I didn’t love Chris Webber, but I appreciated that his name gave the team national relevance. Before Chris, the only time you heard the Kings mentioned in the national media was when Ricky Berry shot himself, when Bobby Hurley almost died in a ditch behind Arco, or when Mitch Richmond was doing some unusual spectacular feat. But those times weren’t often, and with Chris, you had a magnetic star who played his best basketball for the Kings.
3 favorite moments: I love that pick that absolutely just knocked Stockton on his ass in game 2 of the ‘99 series. That was my 2nd game watching that team all year long (I was living in Pensacola then, and watching the team wasn’t really possible). It was exciting to see him just level Stockton, and from then on, the team, even if guys like J-Will wasn’t at his peak, there was the notice that we are here. The Jazz were still a good team at that time—they finished tied with the best record in the NBA that season with San Antonio, and due to a tie-breaker, they finished 3rd. It derailed any possibility of them ever reaching a finals again. Without C-Webb’s pick, that rest of the series (many fond memories of that alone), including Stockton’s heart wrenching dagger, Vlade’s clutch FT’s in game 3, 4 & 5, and Vlade’s end of regulation miss in Game 5, would have never happened. Chris was playing with a bad back, and he knocked Stockton on his ass.
Another favorite moment was the times he defended Shaq. Chris never got much credit (neither did Vlade—too many people talked about the flopping) for the fact that Shaq rarely could push Chris off the block completely, and lo & behold, the Kings were a better team because the most dominant big man (maybe ever) could be checked with 1 & 1 coverage. I’ve seen a few guys in the NBA cover Shaq 1 on 1. Rodman was 1, Duncan was 1, and Chris was 1. Rasheed Wallace had success at times, but not consistently. Chris was consistent at it. The only negative of Chris I could ever see was that his footwork was never what it should have been, but I attribute that to the constant injuries he had throughout his playing career.
My favorite “personal” moment of Chris’ was in 2003 when the Jon Barry incident happened, when Scot Pollard acted like an asshole in front of Kings nation, and Vlade Divac, who had started the whole thing to begin with, acted like Kings fans were ignorant & dumb, but Chris did something unusual. He just simply thanked the fans for getting on the joke. Many athletes don’t usually like rocking the boat, but that was perfect Chris. When all his teammates were stomping around acting like the overpaid babies they often were, Chris simply thanked the fans. Then he went off to talk to Barry with himself, and share in the pampered babydom. That was Chris Webber in a nutshell. Pampered athlete one moment; Transcendent the next. Chris Webber the package was something that is a bit difficult to quantify, and thinking back on it, is probably extremely hard to accurately assess his total impact here. Truthfully, I don’t think that can even be measured yet.
I do know that if Webber hadn’t played here, the Kings wouldn’t have gotten to the championship. Chris pouted when he came here. Then he played like an All-Star. Here. In Sactown. He wanted to leave. Then he stayed for more money. In Sactown. Does it matter? Yes, in some ways it does. Webber’s legacy will always be something that will, should, and matter greatly to this franchise’s history. I don’t know if Webber belongs in the hall of fame; I do know that his presence on the KIngs mattered a ton in a city where the Kings were already Kings; they simply ruled supreme in his presence. We all wonder what would have happened had Webb not injured his knee on that May day. I don’t. I just wonder what Webb will do next, and what headlines he generates when he does it. Hopefully Sac can be at a heart of that, but if it’s not, that’s okay too. Everybody needs a 2nd home.
Congrats on the Jersey retirement Webb.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 6, 2009 1:55 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Thank you Web for the memories
and Congrats on getting the Jersey retired.
The scene in the video with Web giving the peace sign as he’s leaving always makes me sad :(
"It's as Ann as the nose on plain's face."
Thank You
For posting that video. I feel the same way as Apoet about Webber walking away at the airport. I hope they show that video tonight during the ceremony. I won’t be in attendance or be able to watch, but I expect STR to give us all the details of the great night.
"I have never seen officiating in a game of consequence as bad as that in Game 6...this officiating took away what would have been a Sacramento series victory in Game 6." -Michael Wilbon, Washington Post
My favorite moment...
came from an R.E. Graswich article- I think from the Metro section of the Bee. He told a story of how while out on the town for the evening he sat down in the same restaurant as C-Webb and then fiance/girlfriend Tyra Banks. Tyra went off on a loud temper tantrum right in front of everyone while C-Webb sat there quietly taking the abuse. After the screaming and crying subsided, Webb got up and left her sitting there by herself at the table and didn’t come back. Classic- and we Sacramentans kind of felt like we were part of a Hollywood story.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
Many Thanks
He was the greatest player we have had in the Sacramento Kings history. His numbers were the least of his accomplishments. He gave his fellow players, coaches, GM, owners and fans confidence that they could win no matter the challenge. It is impossible to measure his contributions to this organization, fans and city. All you have to look at is the direction we have gone since the game where he got hurt in Dallas to understand the impact a healthy Chris Webber had on all of us….. I wish him only the best.
by KingsFanNoMatterWhat on Feb 6, 2009 3:28 PM PST reply actions
Why I Am A Kings Fan...
It really is hard to put the memories i have of that era into words, it was just the most magical team I had ever seen in the NBA. Of course there were the usual bandwagon hoppers’ on, which soured the personal bond each fan feels for a team. But for me, the Sacramento Kings played basketball the way I imagined it to be played and C-Webb was the kind of player I imagined to play it. Pook hit the nail on the head with the Stockton screen, that was the first Kings game I watched and I was a fan from then until now. C-Webb had an attitude and a demeanor that seemed bigger than the game, every grin and scowl and Wooooo! after an alley oop gave the team an edge that few players in the history of the game can make claim to. What happens on the court is just the product of playing a game, there are ups and downs but in the end it’s the character of the players that have to win you over and to me none had the impact of C-Webb. He will always be my favorite King and probably my favorite player, If I was forced to think about it.
By the way, if you don’t already do so I suggest you tune in to NBATV every tuesday, when C-Webb and Gary Payton get to talk basketball, it is simply amazing
KINGS FANS, TONIGHT WE DINE IN HELL!!!
by The Artist Formerly Known as CrownUs93 on Feb 6, 2009 3:59 PM PST reply actions
51
I think it was 51 he dropped on Indiana on my birthday. My wife had assembled a surprise party and we were late because the game went into overtime. We lost that game but it was vintage CWebb… he was great, but he didn’t get the satisfaction of victory. Sums up his college and NBA career…
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Feb 6, 2009 4:42 PM PST reply actions
C-Webb's Jersey
is the only one I have hanging on my wall in my room.
He made people take us seriously.
My personal favorite memory of C-Webb would have to be watching him versus Karl Malone and Kevin Garnett. Those were matchups for the ages.
Is this the game thread too?
If so, Go Kings!
If not, Go Game Thread!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Here's the game thread
It’s just not on the front page.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 6, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
The Moment I Remember
was his pick on Derek Fisher.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 6, 2009 7:09 PM PST reply actions
Webber= Fire
Webber= Exciting Basketball
Webber= Chrasima
Webber= Everything we are missing so much right now.
I miss the smile, but mostly I miss the snarl.
Coming to you live from the land of interim coaches.
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