My Open Letter to Bill Simmons, ESPN
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My Open Letter to Bill Simmons, ESPN
March 16, 2009
Dear Bill,
You don’t know me, but we crossed paths the other day. It was brief, and for you, I’m sure it was inconsequential. I don’t hold it against you--as a best selling author, national columnist, and high-profile fan of America’s most successful sports city, you’ve got a lot on your plate. Nevertheless, the chance intersection of our sporting lives had a big impact on me. My name is Tom. And I’m a Sacramento Kings fan.
I’m a fan of yours, too, and I’ve read your column for years. But it wasn’t your column that caught my eye recently, but rather that of your colleague, Jason Whitlock of the Kansas City Star. Mr. Whitlock references an exchange with you where you encourage Kansas City to work on getting an NBA team, with the Kings being a top target. "You should absolutely steal the Kings", you encourage. "That would be cool." Your own column later confirms the sentiment.
You seem to have convinced yourself that this would be karmically OK, as the Kings have some history in Kansas City, and "Sacramento stole them in the first place." I must say, as one who readily aligned myself with you as "one of the remaining 20 NBA fans", your willingness to toss me and my city aside left me dazed. To use another one of your favorite phrases, it was a real stomach punch.
I hardly know where to begin with my various thoughts on the topic. Half of current NBA teams have moved at some point in their history; only 9 have made it at their original location for more than 30 years. With your logic, moving the Kings back to K.C. is only the first of many moves. After a short stop, perhaps you would advocate moving them back to Rochester, where they played originally. Similarly, you might put the Lakers back in the Twin Cities, and the Warriors would be returning to Philadelphia. Perhaps you feel that anything that migrated to the West Coast rightfully belongs somewhere back East; can we expect your house in California to go on the market soon?
But this line of thinking seemed sort of childish, so I stopped a moment to consider the circumstances of the moving franchise. Surely, we can agree that not all moves are created equal. There’s got to be a difference between secretly pulling up the moving vans in the middle of the night, like the one-time Baltimore Colts, as opposed to moving a team from a situation that clearly wasn’t working, like the Vancouver Grizzlies. Where would the Kings’ move fall on this spectrum?
Let’s look at Kansas City’s circumstances first.
The franchise originated in Rochester, and played there from 1948-49 to 1956-57, nine seasons total. They won their 1st and only championship there, in 1951. From there, they moved to Cincinnati, where they stayed 15 seasons. 1972 came with a name change (Royals to Kings), and another relocation (steal?), this time to Kansas City-Omaha. 3 years later, they finally became the sole property of Kansas City--where they lasted 10 more years. So right off the bat, I’d say K.C.’s claim to the Kings is dubious--they didn’t start there, and of their first 37 years of existence, only 13 had any connection to Kansas City. By comparison, next year will be the Kings’ 25th year in Sacramento, by far their longest stint in any location, and longer than nearly 1/3 of current NBA teams in their respective cities.
Longevity can’t be the only criteria, though. As we’ve all seen, a bedrock franchise with storied history, All-Star players, and established ties to the community can still be ripped from a city like Seattle, basically at the whim of ownership. When discussing the egregiousness of any potential move, fan support has to be considered as well. (Incidentally, you’ve been pretty vocal in opposition to the Sonics move to OKC--no friends at the Oklahoman, I guess?)
Now, I’ve lived in Omaha, and I’ve spent a fair amount of time in K.C., and there is no doubt that wonderful fans exist in both places. Tailgating at Arrowhead is on the short list of great game-day experiences, in any sport. Kauffman is an under appreciated gem. In Omaha, the Creighton Bluejays are a surprising top-15 annually in college hoops attendance, and the College World Series is a superlative event. Nebraska football draws better than the Pope on Easter Sunday.
Still, I rarely heard a word while there about NBA basketball. When telling folks I was a Kings fan, many didn’t realize that the Kings had once played in their city. Others remembered, but weren’t harboring any angst about the issue. The NBA fans I did find were all reporting long-time allegiance to the Chicago Bulls (perhaps not-so-coincidentally, this was during the MJ era). I’m not claiming to have run any rigorous epidemiological studies, but no one was viewing me as a pariah for "stealing" their team, I can tell you that.
Attendance at K.C. Kings games wasn’t particularly strong. Only once in 13 years did the team average over 10,000 fans per game; their last year in K.C., they barely topped 6,000 a night. It’s not to say that there weren’t hard core K.C. Kings fans; just that the community as a whole didn’t support them in the same way that they backed other sports in the area.
On the other hand, the Kings in Sacramento have been, for years, a model for the league. Year after year of selling out every game, even with lousy teams on the floor (in fact, the longest sell-out streak in the history of the NBA). A community, like Portland or Salt Lake City or Green Bay, that has one team in the big leagues and proudly wraps the team into the city’s identity. Players have ultimately loved being here, despite initial misgivings about the "small town" atmosphere, due in great part to the outpouring of support that the team gets from the fans (And yes, I’m well aware that we’re not a highly anticipated stop when it comes to visiting teams and media--we’re not Las Vegas, I can live with that). By any measure, the Sacramento Kings have been a success.
Sure, you can knock us when we’re down right now--the team is bad, and the crowds are too--but even our current plight underscores just how unique things are in Sacramento. Even in our bad years, Arco Arena has been a tough place to play; but from 1997 to 2003, during the very small window of our glory years, it rocked like few places in sports. The crowds were big, loud, knowledgeable, animated. And although every fan base purports itself to be "the best fans in the NBA", we weren’t the only ones saying it--opposing teams, coaches, national magazines, even your employer, ESPN, put us at the top. Everyone respected the Kings’ home court. It wasn’t coincidence--it was because Sacramento has a situation that few other Major League teams have. Allow me to explain.
We’re not a huge city, and we’ve got a relatively small TV market. As the state capitol, many of our jobs come from government, as opposed to major corporations. We don’t have a big cable deal, and we don’t have multi-nationals as chief sponsors. As a result, the vast majority of our ticket holders are individuals, not companies or corporations (by far the highest percentage in the NBA). When the economy is tough, our season ticket sales will be hit harder than most, and I believe you when you say it will get worse. But the flip side is this--at Arco, there isn’t a lower section for the corporate stiffs and celebrity sightings and to-be-seen crowd, and a higher section for the fans. They’re all fans, all passionate--all diehards. As Marcos Breton said recently in an article in the Sacramento Bee, "if the NBA can’t make it work in Kings-mad Sacramento, you wonder if it works at all."
***
I feel like I could leave it here, that the case for the Kings in Sacramento is a good one, and with all due respect to Kansas City, their claim on the Kings is tenuous at best. Perhaps their quest to land a team will end well, and I wish them luck. Perhaps our stadium deal will go down in flames, and we’ll cry in our beer. Time will tell.
But there’s still a piece of all of this sticking in my craw, Bill, and again, I’m singling you out personally. Since 1985, I’ve read about sports through my Kings-tinted glasses, and I can’t shake the feeling that this isn’t just about your love of BBQ, Jason Whitlock, or Kansas City in general. It’s convenient, sure; and the Kings’ economic crisis, K.C.’s new arena, and their desire for an NBA team linked with the city’s past does have a certain "Perfect Storm" quality to it. But it feels more intentional than that--like you’ve got it in for us in Sacramento. There are great fans here, and I’ll admit I expected some reciprocity from you in this regard. Bill, when did you stop being a fan, and become the Blue Blood of the NBA?
***
I believe you when you assert that you love basketball, and the NBA in particular. Clearly, you are a great fan of the Celtics, and I mean that with the utmost respect. Once, that might have been enough for you. What comes across now, though, is different by a shade; you don’t just love the NBA--you love it more than anyone else. You aren’t just a fan--you’re the best fan. I’ll grant you that you watch more basketball than I do (it is, after all, your job!). And I’ll concede that your knowledge of the game outstrips mine, that you may have a better eye for team dynamics or salary cap figures or defensive post rotations. But are you a better fan that I am? That’s laughable. I’m not even sure that’s measurable, given the resources you have to work with. More importantly, I’m not sure why that would be valuable to you.
Being a fan isn’t about wins and losses, or humiliating opponents while you chest-thump your own greatness. Being a fan is about investment; your personal anxiety and vulnerability, your collective shared experience and hope. Being a fan is weighing the risk and reward of wanting something, and deciding that the ride is worth the price. Being a fan is entering a relationship, with the potential for both euphoria and pain.
You already know all this; your writing has always been the voice of the fan. You write what you know--Boston sports--but what resonates with your readers is that shared experience of caring, of having a commitment with a team, for better or for worse. Your readers don’t care about Your Team(s)--they appreciate that you put into words what they were feeling about their teams.
You’ve demonstrated your personal investment countless times over the years, and crafted indelible images in your writing. Memories of being in the Boston Garden, sitting on your dad’s lap. The obvious pain at the bitter breakups you’ve endured, both with individuals (like Nomar) and teams (like the Bruins). Palpable anxiety and angst about the direction of your teams, with every coaching change and draft pick scrutinized. Your nostalgia about the good times is nearly swallowed by the lament about the ones that got away.
So you know what it means to be a fan. Being a fan isn’t a fantasy league you can win, or a rivalry game you can text message your buddy about when his team calls a time-out to stop the bleeding. You’re not really in competition with the other fans to see how your investment matches up with theirs; that’s amateur stuff. It would be like bragging to your neighbor about how much better your marriage is that his.
But perhaps it is tough not to go down this road, when you’ve enjoyed the unbelievable success that Boston has had in recent years. The Celtics have raised another banner in the rafters. The Patriots have been the class of the NFL for the better part of a decade. The Red Sox--the Red Sox!--have won not one, but multiple World Series. And for the most part, they’ve done all of this with remarkable class, team-first attitudes, and top-notch play that would include any of them in the discussion about the all-time greats. For a true-believer such as yourself, this is sporting Nirvana, a confluence that you rightfully recognize as incredible, something most fans will never experience in their lifetimes.
Did winning change you as a fan? You’ve explored this yourself in your writing, and I won’t be able to do it justice. The goal of sports is to win. What we all hope for, as fans, is to see our teams achieve greatness. It’s not a bad thing--it’s wonderful. You teased it out beautifully in your classy tip of the cap to Giants fans after their Super Bowl win.
I wonder, though, is the mountain-top so addicting, that you would pay any price to get back there? In the past, you valued integrity and aesthetics in your sporting relationships, even if it meant losing. You wouldn’t keep a guy like Roger Clemens around. You wouldn’t want your team to emulate a bunch of thugs, like the Pat Riley-era Knicks teams. You blasted teams for their bloated payrolls.
More recently, there were signs of slippage. You tacitly approved of the Red Sox dominating the free agent bidding wars. You danced around the Bill Belichick videotaping episode, and were downright defiant about the lack of sportsmanship of the 2007-08 Patriots. What might have been an embarrassing compromise for Karl Malone and Gary Payton (Lakers, 2004) became a noble display of sacrifice for Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen (Celtics, 2008; can’t wait to hear about Stephon Marbury, 2009!) For a guy who spent a considerable amount of time deriding the soul-less, win-at-all-costs hype machines like the Yankees, Lakers, Cowboys...well, it was a little disheartening.
But even with all of this, I continue to feel that, for the most part, you remain loyal to the causes that are in the minds of fans. I believe that you have an overall respect for your fellow fans, regardless of their team affiliations. Why, then, have you been so dismissive of Sacramento? It’s puzzled me for years now, and it pre-dates the recent run of success for your squads, which rules out the simple explanation of you overlooking the bottom-feeders from your perch on the parade route. Deep in your sporting heart, do you believe that fans can exist in a place like Sacramento?
***
I remember well how good it felt to see the Sacramento Kings on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Like many kids, I grew up reading SI, and I had my first subscription by age 7 (one that continues to this day). I inhaled every article, studied every photo, honed my view of the national scene from my living room in California’s central valley. Long before there was SportsCenter, SI marked your arrival in the Big Time. And the cover--the cover of Sports Illustrated meant something, more so than might be possible in today’s age of internet updates and video feeds. February 19, 2001--there was MY team on the cover. "The Greatest Show on Court" was the headline. "Sacramento Kings: Basketball the way it oughta be" was underneath. I had waited my whole sporting life for a moment like this, the reward for years of rooting from the suburban outskirts of America’s Great Sporting Cities.
You do realize, don’t you, that not everyone lives in a Great Sporting City? Or in most cases, even a city that has a Major League franchise? It’s easy to forget, I know. But we can’t all live in New York. Or Boston. Philadelphia. Chicago. Detroit. (We could debate the names of a few others, but you get the idea) Fans from those places often make the jump that due to their collective teams’ histories, records, legends--that they themselves carry a certain gravitas for which the rest of us can only dream.
It couldn’t be further from the truth, of course--for whether you call it luck, fate, or biological conspiracy, you had about as much to do with being born into Boston fandom as you did with the color of your hair or that mole on your left shoulder blade. You can be thankful, appreciative, loyal, tribal--but you can’t really claim any credit for it. You can only realize the opportunity, or not. Same as me, and my opportunities.
Comparing our respective opportunities doesn’t serve any meaningful purpose with regards to fandom. Imagine two kids who are going out for a school team. One kid is born with all kinds of talent--and maybe when you are talented at something you are drawn to it more naturally. The other kid is the one who "tries hard"--and maybe he’s willing to work a little more or stay a little later or accept a different role. And yes, talented kids can also be the hardest workers, and hard workers can develop incredible skills. But as the scenario plays out on countless teams across the country, we both know who’s more likely to be the better player...do we know who loves the game more?
Now, you CAN take credit for what you’ve invested--growing up in Boston during the era you did shaped you for life, and you’ve taken the vast opportunity that was presented to you and you’ve run with it. Kudos. Countless hours of work, sweat, stress, sacrifice, and effort have gotten you to where you are, and you are to be commended for it. And if by virtue of your job you happened to get a front row seat for some of your teams’ greatest victories, more power to you. But the pennants, the banners, the trophies--these weren’t really the pinnacle of your endeavors. You had become the voice of the fan as a writer, and THAT is what what legendary about your pursuit. Which is why I waited for you to write about my Kings. And why I was disappointed.
Sure, you’ve written many things about the Kings in the last decade. The continual riff about Rick Adelman’s Greatest Playoff Failures. The recurring joke about the Maloof brothers and their susceptibility to a few shots of Patron Silver before the trade deadline. The great line about the Kings needing to use Morrissey songs to describe their awful team chemistry. Peja’s tightening collar during the playoffs. Chris Webber’s dreadful jump hook off the front iron. Kenny Thomas. Ron Artest. The playoff refereeing scandals. Doug Christie, Doug Christie’s jersey as a gift, Mrs. Doug Christie.
All great stuff. All pretty funny, and all at least somewhat true. But you rarely got around to the Kings appreciation part. You once memorably ripped the Kings for "laughing too much", looking like they were having too much fun out there, enjoying playing basketball and winning games more than individual stats or accolades. You predicted--hoped--it would come back to haunt them.
Maybe the Kings’ rise to national prominence came at a bad time--the late 90’s weren’t great for the Celtics, and that could have colored things a bit for you. The 90’s had dealt you some severe blows--the death of Reggie Lewis, and the closing of the Garden, and even the "loss" of Tim Duncan. Undoubtably the likes of Rick Pitino, Eric Montross, Ron Mercer, and Kenny Anderson weren’t enough to get the taste out of your mouth. And if seeing a team from the suburbs become the most televised team in America was painful, perhaps watching a storied Celtics franchise lose to a team from Sacramento was unbearable to you.
But it wasn’t like you couldn’t find room to appreciate other teams. You embraced the frenetic, fantastic Phoenix Suns teams; 7 Seconds or Less, Steve Nash as MVP, defense be damned. You chirped like a giddy teenager about the 2007 Golden State Warriors, cursing the fairweather fans who were taking up good seats while never realizing that you were one of them. (Never mind that for most of the last decade "The Arena" was known around here as "Arco West") You became a season-ticket holder for the LA Clippers, for goodness sakes--but no love for Sacramento? Nothing for Arco Arena? No time for fans in a large geographic area who are singularly dedicated to one franchise? I just don’t get it.
You, of all people, should be a Kings fan. You back the mid-majors against the power conferences. You embrace role players over stars. You back the team over the individual. You like a style of basketball that focuses on skills--shooting, passing, cutting, moving--over one-on-one dribbling and isolation plays, and yet you don’t have time for Geoff Petrie and his obvious blind spot for players who pass, shoot, and move, even if they are un-athletic and can’t play defense? Can you say something nice about Pete Carrill, for goodness’ sake?
***
Look, I don’t need you to write about the Kings to validate my own experience with them. I’ve been there from the beginning, I witnessed their climb into prominence, I exalted in every wonderful moment and had my heart broken a few times along the way. I haven’t been fortunate enough to see them win a championship, but I know I’m damn lucky to have been around for the ride the last 25 years, and to have a team that I can unequivocally call my own. I’ve poured a ton of myself into this team, and with the exception of maybe one Robert Horry jump shot, there isn’t a whole lot I’d change about it. A guy like you--well, I hoped you would recognize that there is value in that. Instead, you’re becoming the guy that wins big at the blackjack table the night before, but wants separate checks at breakfast the next morning.
Just know that there are millions of people like me, all over the country...and you were once one of us. Just know that while in Kansas City they could start their love affair with anyone, in Sacramento there’s only one team that I’ve grown up with and can grow old with. Just recognize that when you say you’re OK with teams burning community bridges for the sake of newer, shinier luxury boxes, you are going against everything you’ve had the fortune of growing up with as a sports fan. I’m proud to be a part of an incredible, wonderful group of fans, and our investment in this team isn’t something you can put on the back of a truck. Once upon a time...you knew that.
Sincerely,
Tom
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Damn Homey?
Had something to say did we? On a simpler note: great fanpost.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 2:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is MS Word's response
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Poor Bill, he only told a joke.
by bignerd on Mar 17, 2009 2:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually Simmons seems to have something against Sacramento for some strange reason
It’s always been a mystery to me why that is, but he acts like Sacramento was some awful city that just stole the KIngs from KC, which wasn’t true at all. Bill forgets, conveniently, how the whole process came to be. I wouldn’ t have written a nearly 4000 word essay to commemorate that fact, but at the same time, to each they own.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 3:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 pages...
Is that single or double spaced?
by rory_sayer on Mar 18, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry my man, Blazers hold that record.
“Year after year of selling out every game, even with lousy teams on the floor (in fact, the longest sell-out streak in the history of the NBA).”
Blazermania was born on April 8, 1977, when a capacity crowd packed Memorial Coliseum to witness the Blazers take on the Phoenix Suns in a 122-111 win. That win began an 814-game sellout string, the longest-known sellout string in the history of professional sports.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 17, 2009 4:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
THAT's what you took from this fanpost?
A n unintentional slight?
How about “the longest sellout string in the last 10 years.”
Or how about “If you can’t say something nice, don’t post in someone else’s backyard.”
Coming to you live from the land of interim coaches.
by LeaguePassAddict on Mar 17, 2009 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he meant it that way LPA
Sabas is usually a well meaning, mellow mannered, fellow. Particularly in comparison, to say, me.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still,
This isn’t a fucking Blazers blog. Don’t piss on my man’s back.
Although, I am glad someone gave the correct info — if I ever get onto Jeopardy and the question is asked, now I’ll know.
…And, damn, 814 is a ridiculous record.
Yeah, Sabas probably didn’t mean it that way. I’m sure we’d all be quick to point out the actual record if it belonged to us.
Great post, even if it was a long read. Very worth it.
by PhutureKings on Mar 17, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that serious
It’s just not. He doesn’t come here talking shit. He never does. He simply stated the fact. That’s his right. The whole idea that one team has an attendance record is pretty laughable to me anyway. I think it’s impressive that the Kings sold out as well as they did. Let’s leave it at that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a great post
And I was not trying to piss on anybody. I only piss in a toilet or neighbors backyard.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 17, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you posted before I did and I didn't take any offense
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
by Bluejohn on Mar 17, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The player or the poster?
There can only be one Noce!
by NoceOne on Mar 20, 2009 3:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
814 straight, Wow.
Do you know if any years were like last year with the kings, where sellouts were announced but hundreds if not thousands of seats were empty and tix were still available at tipoff? Or were they legit, im not trying to demean your record, im just curious if what happened here last year is common.Thanks for the Blazers stat i had misunderstood the kings mark as well but 873 out of 922 (even if it was at the start of the season) is grounds enough for not moving the team.
by passionforPERPS on Mar 17, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
The Memorial Coliseum only holds around 13,000. I wasn’t born during this time but, I have heard the would give some tickets away at the last second occasionally to keep it a sellout. As for the article itself, I can relate. I live in small market Portland and feel the same way about my team. Every team has to rebuild sometime, it just takes solid draft picks and time to gel. Sacramento has hit the bottom after a very successful run during the early 00’s. Now they are on their way back up.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Mar 17, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right but wrong man. But excellent fanpost
Kings longest sellout streak lasted 497 games from 1985-1997
It was a good game, Both teams played hard. Both teams played hard, my man. Both teams played hard. Both teams played hard, God bless and good night.
by KingsShow1988 on Mar 19, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry if the link didn't show
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/news/2002/11/04/bucks_knicks_ap/
It was a good game, Both teams played hard. Both teams played hard, my man. Both teams played hard. Both teams played hard, God bless and good night.
by KingsShow1988 on Mar 19, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the...couldn't just keep it to yourself, could you?
There can only be one Noce!
by NoceOne on Mar 20, 2009 3:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The naked soul of a Kings fan...
Got to rec it.
Beware certitude.
by Reges on Mar 17, 2009 5:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This might be one of the quickest rec'd fanposts
Considering it was dropped in the middle of the night.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most great reads such as this one
get written in the middle of the night. Whether it be blind motivation, or a bottle of scotch, there is something about putting your heart on paper when no distractions are around.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Mar 17, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is definitely something to that
I can’t disagree with that at all.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
Well written.
Bill Simmons used to be a must-read for me, but the Boston “tortured fan homerism” perspective that resonated with me became somewhat unbearable when the Pats, Sox and the Celts came back to prominence. He used to be us…just a hardcore fan of teams that couldn’t quite get over the hurdle, railing against elitist teams like the Yankees. My sense is he’s become what he loathed for so long.
Which is fine, IMO. He’s still a fine writer with a sharp wit. It’s just a different world for him now, and that’s translated to his writing.
Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not allowing natural selection to do its work. You're like the guy that invented the seat belt.
by otis29 on Mar 17, 2009 6:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You either die a hero,
or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
by PhutureKings on Mar 17, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
By the way
You know he watches football with Tom Cruise and The Killers at Jimmy Kimmel’s house right. I mean, that’s so cool, just one of the guys. I can relate to that, that’s why he is a good writer.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Mar 17, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watch football
with Corey Haim and Wang Chung at Arsenio Hall’s house – howmydoin’?
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Mar 17, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Priceless.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Mar 22, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
I regret that I have only one rec to give for that post.
by mayfieldcol on Mar 17, 2009 6:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great read
"Greed is the inventor of injustice as well as the current enforcer." - Julian Casablancas
by submison on Mar 17, 2009 7:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bravo
Well done. Rec’d for sure. We can only hope that somehow Bill Simmons reads this.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Mar 17, 2009 7:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He won't
He’ll view this as some level of snarky bullshit aimed at bringing him down. Or something like that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Post it on the ESPN forums or something
some non-Kings fans will see it then.
"Greed is the inventor of injustice as well as the current enforcer." - Julian Casablancas
by submison on Mar 17, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No don't do that people
Nobody do that please!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me suggest something better
Everyone should buzz up (you have to have an yahoo account but those are easy to get)—it’s the yellow “B” logo, and doing it’s easy. That will get alot of attention for this piece I guarantee it. In fact, Henry Abbott might link (he’s done it before with other fanposts elsewhere on SBN) to this because it’s so unusual and incredibly good.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has been buzzed
"Greed is the inventor of injustice as well as the current enforcer." - Julian Casablancas
by submison on Mar 17, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good man
If you want to change the world folks, you will follow this fellow’s lead.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buzzed up
On an unrelated note — pookey, I’m glad to see you went back to the old pic. I think it suits you much better (that’s meant as a compliment…I think)
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Mar 17, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not gonna happen
This is a blog. Bill Simmons treats most bloggers like something he might have stepped in.
Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not allowing natural selection to do its work. You're like the guy that invented the seat belt.
by otis29 on Mar 17, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG
I understand your (the group, not just you otis) distaste with Bill’s recent “winning steak attitude” but above the fray he is not. I have written amny a drunken email to Bill, and received more than one response (still waiting to be featured in a mailbag though). If there is one thing he still ahve left in him,its passion for sports and for people that also have that passion. I recommend that we ALL email it to him through ESPN, post it in ESPN’s forums, and definitely BUZZ it through Yahoo. Odds are, it will find him.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Mar 17, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so sure
Simmons has addressed the issue of blogs and bloggers in the past, and unless he’s had a change of heart I’d guess he could give two squirts of moose piss what some guy on some random Kings blog has to say about him.
Actually, he revels in being the bad guy, especially when he’s picking at small market teams. I don’t expect a mea culpa from him anytime soon.
Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not allowing natural selection to do its work. You're like the guy that invented the seat belt.
by otis29 on Mar 17, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and no
While I PROMISE you that he could give two squirts of moose piss what any blogger thinks of him (well said), that doesnt mean he wont read it and think about it. No, he’s never going to care what you or I think about HIM, but he may well care what we think about a subject,most importantly our team.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Mar 17, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post unlike many,
was very eloquently written. It surmises what many of us Kings fans have felt for sometime, with respect to the complete lack of acknowlegment of the franchises accomplishments whether it be, Simmons, Ford or for that matter, Barkley, Nessler and Smith…
How much different would it be, had we actually won a championship?
by nothingbutnet on Mar 17, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give it to Jerry Reynolds
since its for certain that he reads Ziller’s stuff. And then he can pass it on to his French Lick buddy Larry Bird. And then Larry Bird can pass it on to his fan Bill Simmons.
put me in, Coach
by LaBradford on Mar 17, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah Ha!
The French Lick degrees of separation….
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great read
It seems that this is our lot in life for the next few years. Every time that there is a 3 degree change in temperature somewhere, a writer is going to expound on where the KIngs are moving, with no regard for the Central Valley or the citizens that reside here.
Sonics fans, you had my sympathy. Now you have my empathy.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Mar 17, 2009 8:20 AM PDT reply actions 8 recs
Rec'd for the last line
Great points all around, but the last line summarizes exactly how I feel.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ahhh
the beautiful green
you’re welcome
by VenomySnicket on Mar 17, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope Abbott can put this on Bill's desk.
Despite the fact that it will never happen, I’d love to read a response. Beautifully written Gunrock.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Mar 17, 2009 9:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly how I feel
Rec’d for sheer amazingness. And Buzzzzzzzzed.
by Aykis16 on Mar 17, 2009 9:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
GRock, you captured my feelings for the Kings almost exactly.
Once upon a time Simmons wasn’t that different from us but as his fame has spread he has become the kind of celebrity he loves to hate. The air he breathes at that level is somehow different and better than the air we breathe here on earth. You can see it in his his writing too. The only thing he has written in the last 3 years with any emotional honesty is his recent piece about the death of his dog.
Natt Simmons, GO KINGS!!!
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
by Bluejohn on Mar 17, 2009 9:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great article about his dog
Made me cry at work (cut me some slack, my dog of 7 years died less than 2 weeks prior)
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Mar 17, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What can I say...?
Nice post. Let us know if the Boston Bozo responds.
by jacquetbg on Mar 17, 2009 9:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
awesome read, sir.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Mar 17, 2009 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
True Dat!
stands up and applauds
put me in, Coach
by LaBradford on Mar 17, 2009 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One of the great tie-ins to this piece has been alluded to by Henry Abbott for a
couple weeks or so. He talks about high fiving strangers and how basketball has changed so much that many of the true fans who are just happy to high five someone next to them are no longer around, whether it be through getting priced out or just not going.
Arco is really a true representation of an environment designed for stranger high fiving. Usually where I sit, way the heck up there, its a bunch of working class stiffs who just want to root for there team, and high fives with people I do not know is highly encouraged. If this is the wrong way to be a fan, I don’t want to be right.
And obviously Rec’d.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Mar 17, 2009 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
High five!

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Mar 17, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Andy Samberg is my homie
"Greed is the inventor of injustice as well as the current enforcer." - Julian Casablancas
by submison on Mar 17, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on a boat!
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Mar 18, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's my d**k in a box, babe...
"Greed is the inventor of injustice as well as the current enforcer." - Julian Casablancas
by submison on Mar 18, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The slightly less-popular "Mr. Pibb + Red Vines = Crazy Delicious"
"Greed is the inventor of injustice as well as the current enforcer." - Julian Casablancas
by submison on Mar 22, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said TZ!
We will be back.
and soon I think.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 17, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wrong credit given!
Wow, excellent gunrock.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 17, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well observed
Simmons is still a very entertaining read, but he’s given up his position as VP of Common Sense to become the VP of Inside Information, and it’s a shame.
Frankly, I don’t care what the power-brokers’ positions are. This team belongs to an extremely passionate fanbase, and all of the hundred-dollar lunches in the world shouldn’t change that. Simmons knows this, and he has become a tool if he contributes to the sentiment that the Kings belong anywhere but Sacramento.
A larger example this ethical compromise is apparent in the almost celebratory tone he takes in predicting an impending NBA lockout. It’s disturbing that a writer who is undeniably one of the NBA’s greatest fans shows such inconsistent discretion in wielding his influence.
Thanks for pointing that out, Gunrock.
by furious.d on Mar 17, 2009 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow. Rec'd.
Excellent post Gunrock. Particularly this:
“Being a fan isn’t about wins and losses, or humiliating opponents while you chest-thump your own greatness. Being a fan is about investment; your personal anxiety and vulnerability, your collective shared experience and hope. Being a fan is weighing the risk and reward of wanting something, and deciding that the ride is worth the price. Being a fan is entering a relationship, with the potential for both euphoria and pain.”
Wonderfully articulated (and use of anaphora). Hope to see more from you in the future…
"Have you guys ever seen the movie, ‘The Terminator?’ That’s what that kid is like. That kid has no facial expressions. He just plays and it’s like every kid out there on him is like Sarah Connor, and he’s just going to take his time and kill him ... That kid is good." - Pat Knight referring to Blake Griffin
by sroufe on Mar 17, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd and bookmarked
First, off well done. Thre are a few points that deserve additional praise and consideration.
Being a fan is about investment; your personal anxiety and vulnerability, your collective shared experience and hope. Being a fan is weighing the risk and reward of wanting something, and deciding that the ride is worth the price. Being a fan is entering a relationship, with the potential for both euphoria and pain.
That is amazingly well said and summerizes how I feel completely. People down ehre ask me all the time why I am still a Kings fan. I am invested. Bravo.
More recently, there were signs of slippage. You tacitly approved of the Red Sox dominating the free agent bidding wars. You danced around the Bill Belichick videotaping episode, and were downright defiant about the lack of sportsmanship of the 2007-08 Patriots.
A minor disagreement here. Part of being a fan is forgiving the downfalls of your teams. Sports teams, much like people, are not perfect. But we forgive, maybe even avoid, the characteristsics that we dont like. I am a Giants fan, and even though I know Barry Bonds took steroids, I still defend him in doing so. Is it logical, no. But like a family member, we overlook their downfalls and remember their more positive traits.
While there are many times in your letter where I think you are being unfair to Bill (he may not be pro-Sacramento, but during our run he had great things to say about the team), you do describe our current predicament well. The important part (and I assume the spark to your letter) is whether the Kings should stay or go. We need the Kings, and more than they know, the Kings need Sacramento.
You letter is fantastic, and because of it, your opinion will be more highly regarded in the future. Cheers.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Mar 17, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
New info
I have no knowledge of a reaction, or of a planned written reaction, but I do have it on good authority that Bill Simmons was made aware of this letter and has read it.
Personally, I hope he doesn’t write a reaction in a column. I’d rather he just keep the content of this letter in mind as he moves forward. I hope the thoughts expressed so eloquently in this letter will permeate into his mind the next time he considers an offhand remark about any franchise moving to a new city.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Mar 17, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PLese lebaorate on your "knowledge"
It excites me.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Mar 17, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to the internet age, you can send e-mails to any writer on ESPN.com. I know Simmons gets bombarded on a regular basis and would be unlikely to respond on this issue anyway. So I started in on some of the more “fan-friendly” NBA writers for ESPN. I got one response, assuring me that he was quite aware of the letter and that it had already been passed along to Bill Simmons, who had read it.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Mar 17, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listened to his podcast last night
and I think he has one coming out tonight so maybe he’ll mention something there. I’ll be listening for sure
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
by eduardo_m7 on Mar 17, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a great piece Gunrock
Wouldn’t expect anything less from, what it looks like, a fellow aggie… ;). Rec’d
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
by eduardo_m7 on Mar 17, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying Aggies are better writers
Than, say, one’s from Sac State?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not comparing to anyone in particular
Just holding my Aggies to high standards
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
by eduardo_m7 on Mar 17, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Un huh
Suuuuurrreeeee. :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok ok
UC Davis > Sac State. Yeh, I said it… what now??!! LOL
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
by eduardo_m7 on Mar 17, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Div 1 A > Div II
:P
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apples to Oranges?
Are we contrasting the abilities of the teams or the quality of the divisions? C’mon pookey, I expect better out of you.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Mar 17, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither
I was just being an asshole for no reason.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's call it
Pookey being Pookey. Manny has nothing on you brother
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
by eduardo_m7 on Mar 17, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I speak English, and am human. Sometimes I wonder if Manny has ever figured out what planet he’s from.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Davis is Division 1 now...
I could be wrong
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
by eduardo_m7 on Mar 17, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they might be 1 A now
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
thanks for sharing it.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Mar 17, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whew..! Glad to get that off my chest...
Wow, I just checked back in on my lunch hour and was floored to see all the comments…I certainly appreciate all the feedback and welcoming words.
I realize that I must appear to be equal parts paranoid and Bill Simmons stalker, and sure, I probably am being a bit unfair as I selectively recall any real or perceived slights over the last decade. I’ll plead insanity based on my emotional attachment…
And a sincere apology from me with regards to the sell-out streak being Portland’s record—my brain knew that at one time, and it just got lost in the fog. An honest mistake, but nonetheless it’s important to get it right. It’s not the first time in life I’ve needed some editing…
There’s alot of thoughtful stuff on this site, thanks for allowing me to contribute…I promise any future postings won’t be as long!
by Gunrock on Mar 17, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If all of 'em are that good..
Keep ’em long, what the Natt
by avishai on Mar 17, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome write up
Rec’d.
Congrats on having the fanpost with the most Rec’s ever (at StR, I’d hate for a BE member to prove me wrong on that stat) , and certainly the most Rec’s in the shortest amount of time. Possibly the best StR post of all-time IMO.
Something to be truly proud of. In addition to those Kings.
Congrats again.
AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.
by CAB on Mar 17, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There isn't anything close to the amoun of rec's this fanpost has gotten on StR
Now maybe there was more on Bedge, but that’s not a shock. 37 & counting. At this point, I would be surprised if it didn’t hit somewhere between 40 and maybe 45, possibly 50. This resonates with practically everybody.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's on it's way past 50
And it hasn’t even been 24 hours yet. Impressive.
AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.
by CAB on Mar 17, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
52 rec's so far
"Greed is the inventor of injustice as well as the current enforcer." - Julian Casablancas
by submison on Mar 17, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatevre it's worth CAB
There was a fanpost about 9 days ago on Bedge that got 70 recs.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 17, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, that's funny
Good thing I covered my bases.
AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.
by CAB on Mar 17, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Job by the way.
Well written commentary is always appreciated.
Keep it up.
by nothingbutnet on Mar 17, 2009 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Job
I really enjoyed that, great job.
by UnfadeableAggie on Mar 17, 2009 2:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well put, sir!
For a long while Bill Simmons has been slighting the Kings, and the Whitlock piece just infuriated me. I was going to write something very similar, but this works far better and was more eloquent than what I had in mind (and far cleaner, which should please TZ).
I would also like to point out that Simmons left Kevin Martin off his top 50 players last year and made fun of his shot release as well as claimed he was vastly overpaid (to his credit, he came around a little bit this year in his top 50). Bottom line: He has consistiently taken shots at us while we are down. Hell hath no fury like a scorned small market fan.
by R-Man on Mar 17, 2009 5:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
About that...
…in his top 50 this year he had Speed at #30 (and on his best-contracts list), and mentioned Shock as being a great young player.
But yah, he always ahs to say, “I was wrong about that Kings guy”, not “I tihnk this Kings guy is great!”
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Mar 17, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fantastic stuff
thought you did a fantastic job of summing up why we’re Kings fans and how Simmons has changed from a guy that I used to read religiously to a guy that provides some occasional amusement with his columns.
Also, keep contributing to StR please haha
by coachtheus on Mar 17, 2009 7:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just remember...
This is what BS thinks of you, "I have 49 other states and hundreds of other countries to work with. I’ll be fine. "
by cdb77 on Mar 18, 2009 9:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Yes, he’s already responded to such an attack from the team who cannot be mentioned. I’m afraid all that letter did was lump us in with that group.
by bignerd on Mar 18, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could care less what Bill Simmons thinks
If he doesn’t get what this letter was about, screw him.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 18, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do. One guy gets loose on a letter (more like a book) after a passing joke and I have to read him crush our town for the next five years. It’s one bad apple ruining it for all.
by bignerd on Mar 18, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
It’s not a joke. Simmons doesn’t like Sacramento for some unusual reason.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 18, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a big city big market guy
and we are really mid size compared to Boston, LA, or New York and their denizens look down on our town.
by mayfieldcol on Mar 19, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 19, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t have to read him.
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Mar 19, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Simmons
but he is a big city guy and now he is a pseudo-celeb. He is no longer the voice of the common fan.
by mayfieldcol on Mar 20, 2009 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd for sure
As a 21 year old, I haven’t known a Sacramento without the Kings. They were my motivation for playing hours of basketball every day and daydreaming endlessly about making it to the pros. Chris Webber all the way down to Tyus Edney to Tariq Abdul-Wahad. I love them all.
Read the article in today’s SacBee by Voisin and get amped about the Kings! The Maloofs might actually care! This year has been so hard (especially because I can’t watch the games because go to San Diego State) and all I want is reason to be excited again.
This article by Gunrock reminds that the good times will come again once the drought is over. I can’t wait for the draft!!!
by CDinSD on Mar 18, 2009 1:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
58 Rec'd
isn’t that some sort of record?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Mar 18, 2009 3:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
The 2nd fanpost is not even close.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 18, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of our members posted a link to this thread on PtR. I’m very glad he did. This is an incredibly beautiful, well written letter. I couldn’t agree more with the overall sentiment.
Kudos to you, Tom.
I am happy. I am proud. - Manu Ginobili
by bellasa on Mar 19, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ziller didn't write this folks
Unless he created an alias to do it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 19, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the author's name is Tom as well
Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not allowing natural selection to do its work. You're like the guy that invented the seat belt.
by otis29 on Mar 19, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right
Thanks for pointing that out.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Mar 19, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear it!
I think this should be posted in every small market team’s blog. While I have previosuly stated my disagreemtns with some of the letter, I think it raises many important points that we can all relate to.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Mar 19, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I joined just to congratulate you for your post, and then rec you. Thanks for writing and sharing.
Straight from the No-Stat Zone to your computer!
Dunkin' Cheerleaders
by LatinD on Mar 19, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sacramento has ugly sister status for most of the NBA
Barkley promoted ths, Shaq and Phil Jackson emibellished it. I don’t get it. Yes, there is not a long history of winning, but there is a recent strong history of dedicated winning. I have always felt that the Maloofs listened to much to league chatter and partly let Adelman leave because of it.
Places I would not prefer to live in or visit (and I have visited) – my personal opinion, not a knock on these other cities but: Milwaukee, Cleveland, Indianopolis, OKC, Denver, Detroit, SLC – to name a few – are not nicer locales. It is Sacramento’s burden to bear, but I don’t get it.
IMO, Bill Simmons – who has entertaining columns – is just bandwagon disrespecting. It ain’t right but it is what it is. Well, thought out letter – thanks for putting into words what so many of us feel.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 19, 2009 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Different strokes for different folks
I was born and raised in Sacto, and it will always be home to me. I currently live in Colorado Springs (about an hour south of Denver). I’d rather live in Sacto than Denver, but that’s mostly because I think of it as home. I prefer CoSprings over Sacto, and I really enjoy Denver. It’s a bigger city with more to do and is more within the realm of the national consciousness. It’s one of those things that we view through a tainted lens, for better or for worse.
All I’m saying is that the city has a lot to offer, but that it is not necessarily superior to other markets.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Mar 19, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great fanpost. Rec'd, rec'd and rec'd!
There can only be one Noce!
by NoceOne on Mar 20, 2009 3:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
holy cow
lots of words
lots of recs
Bedge or go home -- Sabonis4Ever
by prezofdeath on Mar 20, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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