How to Get Destroyed By a Bad Team in Three Easy Steps
by Tom Ziller on Mar 4, 2009 5:44 AM PST
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PrintDo you like what you see? Do you want in on the action? Well you're in luck. With my three-step plan -- The Kings Way -- you too can get destroyed by bad teams on a regular basis.
Want to learn more? Of course you do!
Step 1: Have no idea what to do on defense.
The easiest way to lose to bad teams is to allow them to score at will. Don't get in their way -- that only makes it harder for them to score! If you want to get destroyed by bad teams with the greatest of ease, you really need to commit to having no idea whatsoever what you should be doing on any given defensive possession.
A high screen-roll? Don't bother switching or hedging! Just do a pirouette and call it a day!
The opposing point guard penetrates? Don't bother rotating! Just start running down to the other end of the court, or maybe hail a hot dog vendor. And before you know it, the opponent will score. It's that easy!
Step 2: Pretend the opposing defenders are holograms.
To really get pounded, you need to turn the ball over a lot. Some NBA players find it difficult to just throw the ball directly at a defender. (Something about "pride.") A great way to squelch this urge to not directly give the ball away is to pretend all the defenders are holograms! Holograms can't catch the ball, or knock it away. You can throw the ball straight through them! Ha HA! It's even fun!
But of course, the defenders are not actually holograms, and they will catch or knock away the ball. But you have an excuse -- you thought they were holograms, and no one told you differently! What good is a coach if he can't even tell you the other team is not made up of holograms?
Step 3: If at first you don't succeed, try the same thing over and over and over and over.
You don't want to be a quitter, do you? Only a QUITTER would, upon failing with the same basic strategy again and again and again, try something different. To really get creamed by a rather awful opponent, you can't just be bad, or predictable. You need to be badly predictable, and predictably bad. Be stubborn! Refuse to adjust in the most basic, simple ways! Don't stop the bleeding!
There you have it, the world's leading three-step plan on how to get destroyed by a bad team. With The Kings Way, you too can be embarrassingly awful in every sense of the word. Be sure to attend our next seminar, Sunday at 7. Cheap tickets still available!
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so....
you don’t like seeing JT and Hawes picking up foul after foul trying to guard Jack and Ford??
I didn’t like it either.
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It’s time for Cisco to learn how to get his head out of his ass by watching. Let’s start McCants at the two and move Kevin to the 3. And please stop playing Cisco at the point. Screw it, start Solomon at the point. Although you might need a few more basketballs with that lineup.
What happened to the passing? It’s stand around, dribble, dribble, dribble, drive, get stripped. It gets old after a while.
Spencer was a bright spot, but JT was up to some of his old tricks. Slow down, young man, and let the game come to you.
New Starters:
PG-Solomon
SG-McCants
SF-Martin
PF-Thompson
C-Hawes
Subs:
PG-Jackson
SG-Cisco
SF-Nocioni
PF-Greene
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 4, 2009 6:10 AM PST reply actions
How can you excuse Martin's part of this?
the Pacers guards scored 55 points. It didn’t all come from Solomon & BJax’s defense.
Martin has mailed it in the last few games. His defense has alway been suspect, but now it’s non existent. And now, the lack of effort has moved into his offense. All he does now is try to get fouls, and he looks pathetic trying to do it. He needs to man up and finish the season strong. Quite trying to get the Refs to bail you out, and start going strong the the rim and put a shot into the basket. And, on defense, fight through some screens, use your speed to stay with your man, & quite standing there wondering if you should leave your man, to give some help defense and just do it.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Afraid I agree
That last play of the first half was very telling – Jarret Jack went the length of the court with 5 seconds left, Kevin really had a chance to pressure the ball and at least make the guy burn some time. Instead, Jack spins him like a top and goes to the bucket untouched.
Kevin has the physical skills necessary to play defense in this league. But it requires a certain mentality as well, and I’m not sure Kevin is tough enough mentally to be a good defender.
HELP ME TOM CRUISE!
Either that or he's just packed it in for this year.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Thats why it kills me when people call him the leader of the team
by nothingbutnet on Mar 4, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Don't thow out the baby with the bath water
I have not seen anyone recently claim that Martin has what it takes to be the team leader. In fact, the general consensus seems to be that he needs to be the 2nd banana. In that respect, Martin is an incredibly efficient scorer with a fair to bargain contract, when compared to the other top 20 scorers in the league.
Perspective.
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Agreed
He is an especially bad defender on a bad defensive team. Could he be average on a better defensive team (Reggie Miller springs to mind)?
Second question – If Martin were a great defender, would it make a difference on this team, as it is currently comprised and coached?
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Christ
What are you, his freaking agent? Call a spade a spade.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 4, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
That's what I'm trying to do
He’s not a leader – check.
He’s not a good defender – check.
At under $10 million a year, he is a fair to good value as one of the most efficient scorers in the league – check.
Did I miss something?
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You forgot the hyperbole, here you go:
“He sucks and should be in the D-League!”
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Mar 4, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, you missed that if your not part of the solution,
your part of the problem.
When McCants can be traded here, and out perform our star both offensively & defensively, and in just a couple of games, we need to reevaluate our needs.
I’ll give Martin that he’s not 100%, but we need to stop putting all the blame for easy layups on the interior defense, and start accepting that it’s mostly our backcourts problem. Daniels abused Martin & Ford did the same for Bobby. And, everytime JT did his job by coming to help, we got burned, because no one helped out on JT’s man.
Natt needs to rest Martin. Martin needs to rededicate himself to defense for next season. Then GP needs to decide if we can be a real contender, with Martin at the 2.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Wow, Some of you have completely lost it
Kevin would start for nearly every team in the NBA.
Let’s see, from worst record to best:
Sac – uh yeah
Washington – Move Butler to the 3, bench McGuire, no brainer.
Clips – Over Ricky Davis
OKC – Over Weaver.
Memphis – Over either Mayo or Gay, Yeah
T-Wolves – Over Foye
Warriors – Over Belinelli
Toronto – Over Parker
NY – Over Hughes
Pacers – Over Ford
Bobcats – Over Bell
NJ – Over Hassell move Carter to the 3
Bulls – Over Salmons or Deng take your pick.
Bucks – Over Jefferson or at least they’d trade Jefferson for Kevin straight up and probably for Redd too.
Philly – Over Green
Detroit – Maybe not, but I bet they’d trade Hamilton(31) straight up
Miami – Over Moon
Atlanta – Move JJ to 3 and over Williams.
Pho – Over Barbosa
Dallas – Over Terry
Utah – Over Miles
N.O. – Over Butler
Houston – Bet they’d trade McGrady straight up.
Portland – Over Batum
Denver – Over Dahntay Jones
Spurs – Over Mason or Finely.
Orlando – Over Lee
Boston – No, but I bet they’d trade Allen(33) straight up
Cavs – Over West
Lakers – Over Walton
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Mar 5, 2009 6:52 AM PST up reply actions
It might help if
you list the actual starters for those other teams at the 2.
Brandon Roy, for example, or Kobe Bryant. Or D Wade. I’ll stop there.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 5, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
The 2-3 positions are very similar.
You don’t think the Lakers would take Kevin and play Kobe or Kevin at the 3? I think they would, and then Kevin would start for the Lakers. That’s the point.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Mar 5, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
The point
Is the Vertez where the Parable peaks and the axis of symmetry begins……
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Vertex^
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
He could start for the Nationals against the Globetrotters
They don’t play defense either.
The point I’m making is D, not PERS, or Scoring Rating.
If you need numbers try “Roland Ratings”, Martin has an On Court/Off Court net of +0.4. For all of his scoring the Kings are only outscored by .4 pts per game while he’s off the court vs when he’s on the court. He takes 24% or our shots with a high percentage of success, but when he’s on the defensive end he’s a liability 100% of the time.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
I'm not talking PER or Scoring Rating
I’m talking starting for NBA teams, and no matter how you cut it he’d start for at least 20 and probably closer to 25 NBA teams without any changes to their current rosters.
If you include Kevin replacing an aging vet of similar value(Ray Allen/Rip Hamelton/Richard Jefferson) I think he’d start for 28-30 NBA franchises.
So your argument that he’s a liability for the team with the worst record in the league is silly IMO.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Mar 5, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
And I think your list is basicly Your Opinion
As far as I know, in the resent fire sale on our roster, there weren’t 29 teams clamoring to get Martin. So, until I see some real offers, I’ll have to take your list as being somewhat unofficial.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
He's BYC
making it pretty hard to trade for him, even if GP didn’t hang up the phone on anyone that inquired. As for the list being my opinion, well ‘duh, and since your only counter argument amounts to “says you”, I’ll assume you agree with the list.
If you want something that’s not my opinion, I give you Bill Simmon’s annual trade value list. Kevin comes in at #30 in the league. I’d say he agrees that Kevin could start for most of the teams in the league, and I’d guess that every team in the league would like him on their roster.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Mar 5, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Give me a break
The Kings marked him as untouchable, and we — err, you — have no clue as to how many teams asked anyway. None of us know.
Are you sure
coaches who demand defensive intensity with no lapses (Popovich, etc.) would start Martin? He may start but would get pulled repeatedly for lack of effort / focus. As would most of the Kings.
Am I sure?
No, it’s my opinion. Are you sure?
What I am sure of is that he’d start for way more teams than he wouldn’t start for, and that being the case, some of the stuff flying around this thread about the best player on the worst team in the league is very silly IMO.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Mar 5, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem?
Then the whole team needs to go? Because none of them are solving anything right now.
This left wing/right wing mentality amazes me. If a guy (say McCants) puts in 95 semi-solid minutes, he is anointed as the answer at 2 guard, while the guy who is 7th in the league in scoring and 65th in payroll is cast aside?
I think that is is fair conversation to say that Martin is not the leader for this team and his defense lacks (OK, stinks). But he is by such a wide margin the Kings best offensive threat that you’d have a difficulr time naming their 2nd biggest threat…and that’s not because Martin is a ballhog that jacks up too many shots (compare his FGA’s to the other top scorers in the league). He’s currently 7th in the league in PER at the 2, behind Wade, Kobe, Roy, Manu, Vince Carter and Barbosa (if you consider Barbosa a 2).
It’s about value and return on the salary dollar. Martin gives you that. That does not earn him a pass on defense. That does earn him the right, as the best player on the Kings, to continue as their starting 2 guard.
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Best scorer not best player
He got his head handed to him by Daniels. What do you think is going to happen when we play the LAL, and he has to defend Kobe. And, it’s not just the man d it’s the help & team d.
I won’t annoint McCants as the new star, but Martin does need to up his game. I’d rather see the Kings win 90 to 89 than to lose 119 to 120. And, if that means losing 15 ppg from the starting 2 and getting better defense, then I can live with that.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
wow
Martin is far and away the Kings best player. Try to step away from your myopic view just slightly, take a deep breath, there you go. Every individual game does not define a player, try to have the slightest amount of perspective.
Perspective
Every individual game does not define a player, try to have the slightest amount of perspective.
But five seasons and a look at his overall play does a pretty good job.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 5, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Correct
and on that basis, I’m taking Kevin’s body of work over Rashad McCants, and its not going far out on a limb asserting he’s the Kings best player.
The point wasn't that McCants should replace Martin
The point is that a Player with just a limited time to work into our offense & defense did a better job at both than Martin. Not to say McCants is better, but why wasn’t Martin better?
Martin hasn’t done anything for the Kings but score. He didn’t take us to the playoffs, and I think people give him too much of a pass by overlooking his weakness’s.
I can’t continue to repeat all my objections, so you’ll have to read back to the start of this post, and stop taking one sentence from my latest response and go of on a new tangent.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
I'm sure Paul Pierce was the defensive machine
he seems to be now before KG got there, right? Pierce, a better player than Martin, wasn’t able to take those bad Celtics teams to the playoffs either so why would you expect Kevin to do the same? Pierce is just an example
Kevin Martin is the second best player in a championship caliber team, you will not get that idea out of my head. Put something around him or, to use a different term, put some talent to play WITH him and see what happens.
Kevin excels in scoring and is average to below average on everything else, right? You know what you do? You get players that do those other things above average and put him on a team with him. I understand him getting a lot of criticism for being the best player in this bad team but the arguments being thrown out here and just plain ridiculous.
Give me a trade involving Kevin that gives the Kings fair value back…
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
Kevin Martin
is not as good as Paul Pierce. You got that part right.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 6, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
OK
So you made your funny little comment about that point. How about the rest??
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
Actually, do you seem to have the capability
of repeating all of your objections, because you have done so over and over.
On any reasonable timeframe Kevin Martin is a better basketball player than McCants. If you don’t see that, I can’t help you other than to say you are a unique snowflake on this site with that opinion.
I'm not arguing for McCants over Kevin
I say start them both.
Warts and all, I agree Kevin is the team’s best player, which isn’t saying a lot when the team has a record like ours. He’s certainly one of our most valuable future trade chips.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 5, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
How does he rank
while the guy who is 7th in the league in scoring and 65th in payroll is cast aside?
in turnover-assist ratio, rebounding, assists, plus-minus, PER, etc. How many points does the guy he’s covering every night score on him?
Great, we get it that he can score. He just can’t always create his shot when we need it most.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 5, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry
That does earn him the right, as the best player on the Kings, to continue as their starting 2 guard.
Nobody on an 11-48 squad has earned the right to continue as anything. Let’s take a look at those trade offers come July.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 5, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Quick question
What’s the source that Martin ranks 65th in payroll. Thanks.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 6, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks
Good source as well for the list of expiring players and their salaries.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 7, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
McCants
never did, never can, and never will outperform Kevin Martin offensively. Never.
He is an especially bad defender on a bad defensive team. Could he be average on a better defensive team (Reggie Miller springs to mind)?
Sure, he could. Kevin’s primary defensive problem appears to me to be a lack of effort. It’s not like he doesn’t understand how to play defense or that he doesn’t have the size or athleticism to be good. It’s that he constantly gets beat off the dribble and doesn’t seem to mind all that much. He’s also allergic to hitting the floor. I making observations here – like I said – can’t have everything.
Second question – If Martin were a great defender, would it make a difference on this team, as it is currently comprised and coached?
Sure. I hate to say it , but the team was better defensively with Ronnie McCrazypants (who I am glad is gone thankyouverymuch). Adding better scorers improves an offense. Adding better defenders improves a defense.
I'm right with you
But even Artest was accused of having an off defensive year last year, and that may have had as much to do with having to play with Miller, Martin, Udrih…
Tony Parker is not a particularly gifted defender, but Tim Duncan and the Spurs defense makes up for a lot of that. Parker makes his contributions and the ends more than justifies the means.
Martin has to improve on defense. There is no doubt about that. But if there isn’t improvement around him, it won’t matter.
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Effort matters
But if there isn’t improvement around him, it won’t matter.
I surely hope he doesn’t have that attitude. That basically says “I’ll try when it matters.” At that rate, it might not EVER matter.
Talent is nothing if you don’t use it. And it’s squandered if the true effort it takes to make that talent matter is turned on and off as easily as a faucet.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 4, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
Was Artest’s drop off in defensive effectiveness a result of his lack of effort? I doubt it. I think that his environment was a contributing factor.
Martin is a bad defensive player on a bad defensive team. If the team gets better at defense, so will he. If the team does not, neither will he.
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So, basicly he's only going to try as hard as he has to
well we don’t need that type of player.
But, I don’t think Martin does know what his defensive responsiblities are. When he’s back, and is the only player that can provide help defense, against a opponent driving to the basket, he freezes. You can see him hesitate, between leaving his man and trying to get infront of the man with the ball. He did it against the Pacers,and I’ve posted the same comment in other games. He ends up just standing there watching. I believe that he just has bad defensive instincts
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
All I know is
He looked pretty good punking Brandon Roy while he was here, and I understand he did a great job defending LeBron the other night. And, unless I am wrong, I think he was one of the league leaders in steals last year.
But I digress, and so do you. We were talking about Kevin Martin.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 5, 2009 2:32 AM PST up reply actions
C'mon, CC
Even Artest admitted that last year was his worst defensive year since he’s been in the league.
Martin can be a better defender, but the environment (primarily coaching) will need to change for that to happen. I agree with High Tops – Martin is not an instinctive defensive player. But I think that he is smart enough to learn a defensive system, and the Kings lack that right now. That does not excuse him for being a lousy defensive player, but it does hold out hope that he could be a better defensive player in a better defensive system. The same holds true for Hawes, Thompson, Garcia and the rest of them.
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I agree,
But right now he is the veteran of the team. And, he does set the example. I realize he is never going to be a Doug Cristie, I just want to see more effort.
by nothingbutnet on Mar 5, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Not sold on Solomon at all.
Bjax, McCants, Martin, JT and Hawes gets my vote.
There can only be one Noce!
McCants is outplaying Kevin
I say start the guy. When Kevin learns to play defense, he can start again.
by nothingbutnet on Mar 4, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
The good news is...
…I’m no longer the most sarcastic person in here.
McCants: I’m Lovin’ It!
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
...
The last thing we need to do is inflate McCants value.
Good point
Put him at the end of the bench until he “behaves” better.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 4, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Defense...
This team has no concept of defense. It’s like they aren’t being coached on defensive rotations around the key at all. Spencer Hawes had a nice offensive game but where was he on when the Pacers had the ball. Just a reminders, that was Troy Murphy driving to the hoops and dunking on your asses all game….TROY MURPHY. Obviously something is lost in translation here because Rashad McCants has come in and his level of defensive competency is so much higher than the rest of the team that its dizzying.
Is Kevin McKale really that good of a coach or is Kenny Natt, Reggie Theus and Chuck Person just that bad. Get a new coach in here asap. Like the day after the season ends before these guys go home. How can Natt tell these guys what to work on in the off-season when he doesn’t seem to have a clue of how to fix even the most remedial of basketball rotations. This is coaching folks, this team lacks talent but more than that they lack a plan of attack. Sorry Jason, Rex, Randy and anyone else not named Pete Carril, you guys got to go now.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
My hats off Ziller,
I couldn’t have said it better myself. I laughed for about a 15 minutes. I especially like the Hologram reference.
On a more serious note, this team showed a complete lack of effort on the defensive side. Yea we have a lot of young players, but were making mistakes that I don’t even see at the college or for that matter high school level.
As for coaching, we may want to offer the sign lady a position. We could probably get her on the cheap. She could hold up signs like run down the court “mother blanks”, Don’t pass the ball to the other players idiots…
I read this post in Billy Mays' voice. It made it much more funny.
by Evan Dunlap on Mar 4, 2009 12:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The thing that is really dissapointing
is that this defensive effort came off of 3 off days. Really? What the hell did they practice? Did they practice at all? I will say that the philosophy on defense is terrible, they switched absolutely everything, there is no accountability or personal pride to keep your man from going to the basket and there is no help at all once they get there. I thought they taught this stuff in high school, but apparently some of these concepts are too tough for our fine coaching staff to go over. Natt had better step his game up if he wants another assistant job next year, forget about head coaching because that won’t come around again for a long time if this season is any indication.
Honestly though, this really falls on the players. The only guy who really showed up last night like he was really ready to play was McCants, everyone else looked either ill-prepared or like they just didn’t want to play. This is professional basketball, and if you can’t motivate yourself to at least play hard and smart then you are not going to be playing professional ball for long (or you’ll get signed by the Grizzlies) Last night was truly embarrassing, I hope and pray that when they come back to play in a week that they are ready to play.
This is why I do not want Kenny Natt back
I want someone that makes the team play better. When Scott Brooks took over OCK they improved. The Kings went in the toilet after Reggie was canned. Anyone that improves the team is better than what we have.
What the hell did they practice?
Apparently, they spent the practice on Donte Greene playing Power Forward. Which covered something less than 7 minutes of a 48 minute game. So that made sense.
And getting taken to school by Troy Murphy
The effort by this team sucked balls last night. I’m still bummed about it :(
It should be noted that the Pacers are up 59-52 in Portland just before the half
and Murphy has 9 boards and 6 points on 3 shots. And the Pacers’ starting back court is outscoring the Blazers’ 19-7.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Mar 4, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
Murph is a beast!
I remember the Warrior days….
What a gigantic nose…
excellent Jerry Cooney ref!
(lost on most I’d guess)
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 6, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
Totally disagree about Greene's effort.
On Murphy’s first drive past Greene, the play was a breakaway. Greene did what he was supposed to do by trying to stop the ball at the basket. He did that better than most of our bigs did all night. I’m not sure who(maybe Ford), made a great pass from under the basket out to Murphy at the top of the arc. Greene ran out to challenge Murphy, who couldn’t decide whether to shot the 3 or drive. Murphy stepped forward with his foot, then back behind the line, and as Greene got close he stepped forward with his other foot and drove past Greene. It should have been traveling. But, the point about Greene is, he stopped the layup, closed out on his man, and got no help from anyone else (including the refs) with his man.
On Murphy’s overhead dunk, Greene again (playing out of position) got no help. He went man on man with Murphy, stayed with him without fouling and forced him to make a terrific play on the opposite side of the rim to keep from being blocked by Greene.
Murphy scored 20 pts in the 1st half, 4 came against Greene. The rest came from JT, Nocioni, & Garcia. Anyone that thinks Greene did a worst job than those 3, don’t know Jack.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
No it wasn't all Greenes fault
but did you see the “closeout” on Murphs first drive? Didn’t you laugh a little?
Eddie Jordan
Hasn’t been known for coaching defense. I don’t want another newbie coach, so that’s no Thibodeau. We want to actually have fans in the seats, so no Jeff Van Gundy… is Flip our only answer?
Get a defensive minded player or two - that would help
it can be contagious.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 4, 2009 3:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Agree
I would like Keith Bogans. I know who you would like, and if the Kings continue to play defense like they did last night I wouldn’t mind the pick as much.
Rec'd
The defensive problems are not due to the coaching. Although the coaching is a (different) problem.
We need a real defender (1 at least)
AND some coaching with a clue!
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 4, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
Question? Is it that they all aren't defensive minded, that had them switching
at every pick or screen? Until the Pacers got the mismatch they the wanted and could take advantage of.
Or, is that just some stupid defensive scheme, that the coach came up with?
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Its both
The defensive scheme doesn’t work, and there are no players who really value defense. Not saying they don’t want to be decent defenders but you know a defensive minded NBA player I’m sure, they just play different.
Their defense
was a LOT better against the Jazz, although the shooting stats would not support that. The only think we didn’t do well was close out on the threes by Okur. We did do a helluva job of switching and limiting Williams’ drives to the basket. Naturally it all broke down late when Brewer turned the game into a personal dunk platform, but they played well for the most part and there was something to build on. Then came Troy Murphy & Co. and the layup clinic.
You can’t take away everything, but if you seal the middle and do a decent job boarding, I can live with getting beat on the long ball. Those shots aren’t always going to fall.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 5, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
League scoring average for Centers = 8.6
but we’d never want a tremendous defender who takes away opponents points, makes the game easier for his teammates and easily averages 10 just by sheer size and positioning – that’d be stupid – right?
We want scoring!
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
I'd knew you'd understand :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
But to Thabeet's credit,
He’s never drafted Pervis Ellison with the #1 pick
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Seriously though
If not my guy – then Soooomebody to lead this team on defense!
Wouldn’t you rather be winning and scoring 95 then losing while scoring 107?
I don’t Know he’s the answer – I’m just looking for one. Its not on this roster…..
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Mar 4, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather be winning and scoring 107.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Mar 4, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
Me too
Losing is more fun if you score a lot. I couldn’t watch a plodding team lose 65 games per year.
So what is this Kings team Carl?
A Plodding team, or an up tempo team?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
This is
a no tempo team.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 5, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
What does this team do well? (sucking is not an answer)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
You have found another flaw
Focus on the positives here. The Positives. All of them There are always positives. Find the positives!!!!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
We have good thoughts on offense
In that we always look for the open man cutting to the basket.
We don’t pass very well when we see it, but the thought is there.
You can do it!!!
You can do it!!! You can really do it allll niiighhhtttt longgggg!!!! (Okay, bad joke.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
It's a Ford Tempo team
And it’s blowing oil and sucking gas.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Mar 5, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
And here I thought it was just a Yugo
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
When, we, the most avid of Kings fans can find nothign better to do than berate our team.What's next?
and when is next coming?
Did anyone catch this Cuban blog?
This is a pro-active approach that would ring loud and true here in Sacramento. Is anyone listening?
Apples and Oranges
A Maloof rant wouldn’t get this team to play any better. Cuban has $95 million (which is more like $120 million after the luxury tax kicks in) tied up in his current squad, and guys named Dirk, Kidd, Terry and Howard just let a short handed Thunder team come in and hand them their lunch. We’re rebuilding, and we suck. No amount of yelling is going to change that.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Yes, he has more invested financially
and emotionally. Whether it is $120M or $60M it is a ton of jack. Cuban has been vocally and involved throughout his ownership, the Maloofs are not this type of owner – but for a few years, they were. Adversity brings out the best and worst of us.
I am harkening back to nostalgic fun team, fun ownership times. It eases the sour milk taste which has spoiled the snap, crackle and pop out my bowl of Fan-dom. When ARCO was packed, the Maloofs were a goofy courtside cheering section..
Mavs has stayed this course – paralleling that of the Kings, including a FInals collapse. Los Mavs has remained relevent, if weakly so. And now, as the last embers of playoff contention begin to cool – the owner calls out his team. I admire that because he will stand behind his words.
So maybe not apples and oranges, maybe more like apples and crabapples. I am just venting and wanting more (as paradoxically I want less – for the Griffin Bowl).
by betweentheeyes on Mar 4, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Craaaazy debate on KM up above
just shows how miserable a season its been that some would doubt KMs talent.
He’s great now, clearly our best player, no one even close (OK, OK, not on D) and will be much more effective when there are some better/more experienced personnel around him.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
"clearly our best player", and as such clearly beyond reproach
KG got traded. Kidd got traded. Shaq got traded, twice. Pau Gasol got traded. And, they are All-Stars. But, KM is a God, so the thought that trading him might actually make the team better is blasphemy and will not be allowed.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Dude
and I quote:
Best scorer not best player
and
He could start for the Nationals against the Globetrotters
You weren’t talking about trading him, you were spouting off about him sucking as a player. No one said he was a god. No one even claims he’s above reproach. I guess if you aren’t calling for him to be benched/traded/cut you think he’s a god?
Give a trade scenario and it will be discussed.
Personally I think it’s to early to trade him. He still has some upside and I don’t think you could get anywhere near equal value for him. If we still suck in two years and it doesn’t look like we’re within two seasons of being relevant, then I would be all for trading him to a team looking to win immediately for pieces, ala Ray Allen to the Celts.
Ray Allen is an interesting example. There’s a guy that was not known for his defense. In fact he was criticized for his defense. Now he’s on a team surrounded by good defenders with a solid defensive philosophy and you don’t hear any complaints. He’s stepped it up or his teammates successfully mask his weaknesses. Either way, something to consider when thinking about Kevin.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Mar 6, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Correct, I hadn't been suggesting that he be traded.
And, in this latest post I didn’t suggest that I wanted him traded. I pointed out stars get traded to make their team better.
Martin is the most Valuable player on the team because of his skills and contract. Was he the best basketball player when we had Artest & Bibby? Was he the best Basketball Player before the trade deadline? Some might argue that Artest, Bibby & Salmons were better all around basketball players. The real question to me is if he were to start on all the teams you have suggested, would he be the best player on any of those teams? If the answer is no, then he doesn’t deserve to be excluded from discussions about him having to improve or that we might be better off trading him.
I never said I wanted to trade him. I only said that his defense nullifies some of the benefits of his offense, making his offensive skills less valuable. I would be happy to see him play under a defensive minded coach with better defensive players, but no matter what, he needs to upgrade his own defensive skill set.
If Martin remains a defensive liablity, I would be up for replacing him with a SG that puts up less pts but plays better defense. Only if, and this is essential, we receive equal or better talent in return. Do I have any trade suggestions, No. It’s way too early for that.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
I agree with that
Also, I don’t believe anyone claims that he is above reproach, or that he shouldn’t improve.
Maybe you were just exaggerating to try and make a point
I think he really needs to improve on defense, limiting turnovers, assists and being able to get a shot late in the game, just to name a few.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Mar 8, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Not very good examples
KG got traded because his team was going nowhere with him (the Kings are just starting to rebuild)
Kidd got traded because his team was cutting costs and he was old with a huge contract
Shaq got traded from LA because they didn’t want to pay him and from Miami because his contract had become ridiculous for a team that was going nowhere
Pau Gasol was traded because the Grizzlies are a stupid organization and gave him for nothing.
So… yeah. Your examples don’t really apply.
"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops
Also Pau Gasol quit on the Grizzlies
And is way overpaid for his actual production too. It’s also not like the Grizzlies were a playoff team either.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Actually
Just about all those examples could end up being relevant here outside of him being old. While his current contract will never get to “huge,” it is sizable. The Kings could decide to go in a different direction and pay those kind of dollars to a more complete player.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 7, 2009 7:56 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, who?
Curiosity is killing the cat on this one. Who is going to be paid what Martin makes and be a more complete player, with the added caveat of whom the Kings can actually acquire as well?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Sounds like the grist for a future Fanpost
We’ve got a lot of time to answer that particular question.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 7, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Go for it
I would love to see how you gut this team to get the guy you want. That’s the tough part. How do you acquire players without giving the talent you want to keep?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
This fine blog article is a perfect example of why we must keep Kenny Knatt !!
At least till the end of the season. Then he will of coarse be fired for his incompetence. But herein lies the beauty and perfection of Petrie’s ploy! (Lets face it, the Magoofs are NOT this smart…) Knatt, being completely overmatched and incapable of coaching even a toddler on the fine art of filling a diaper, is the perfect leader for a team that you don’t want to win !! The Rickey Rubio’s of the world do not end up in the 7-12 draft area where the Kings have normally made their picks. Rarely does good talent wind up in the 7-12 picks. No, great NBA talent can be found in the top 5 picks. Sure, there are also busts, but to really hit a home run in the draft, you HAVE to get a high draft pick to make a big splash.
So back to Knatt. If you need someone who cant teach defense and has no idea how to speak to or get his point across to young men, he is your man !! If you have to have someone who is going to be out coached by every single one of the other 29 NBA teams on any given night, Knatt fits the bill !! He is the perfect FALL GUY! The shining golden ticket of the #1 Overall pick is at stake !! Knatt is leading us to the promise land, one horrific defenseless loss at a time! And he is so very bad, no one could possibly call shenanigans on the Kings. There is little talent led by even less talent at coach. Brilliant !! A MASTER STROKE by the genius Petrie !! How else can the Kings achieve the lowest of the lows without the steady guiding hand of Knatt? A steady and reliable hand that leads the Kings to one loss after another with such assurance and regularity? Knatt is the PERFECT man for the JOB! He even appears to be TRYING to WIN because he actually IS trying to win with this Motley Crew of mismatched pieces of a team. Red Aurback in his prime could not get the Kings as constructed today to .500 But it takes a prodigy of a LOOSER to take the Kings to the PROMISE LAND of the #1 OVERALL PICK !! A Man of aloofness and deadpan explanation that even his own mother would mock as foolishness. A Man who could not teach a 5 year old to aim at the rim in stead of his shoes in potty training. A Man whose inability to coach is only overshadowed by his inability to get in front of a camera and explain what he did wrong! A Man who has so thoroughly botched his efforts at coaching an NBA team that the stunned fans are confused and bewildered by his sheer ineptness. There is no equal in all of the NBA! The Losingest coach in ALL the NBA !!! KENNY KNATT !!
He will live in infamy forever in the annals of Pathetic Basketball ! This is one free agent that Petrie got right! The Goal is in site! Though the schedule has many possible pitfalls( OKC 3/10, GSW 4/1 and 4/5, LAC 4/10), the goal of losing every remaining game is IN SITE !! There was a possibility of resurgence with the addition of players that had not been beaten down by the sheer disgrace, but KNATT squashed that by further alienating his player by saying they are ALL LAZY, and only player that Play Hard (whatever that means at this point) would play. This could mean a benching of K-Mart, who NEVER plays ANY D. That would Guarantee a perfect losing streak and land this team in PING PONG PARADISE !! Then Next year, when Knatt’s services are no longer needed (because the team wants to win games..) he will be fired and a animated, qualified, human will be hired to replace the cardboard cut out that was placed in a chair in the front row know as Kenny Knatt. The Cut Out will be removed and given to Sign Man to do with as he will (oh GAWD that is gross…)
I have cut the Mouth and Nose out of my Paper Bag, but I am contemplating not cutting out any EYE HOLES so I don't have to watch this mess at all...
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