Kenny Natt is Mad and Not Going to Take It Any More

About damn time

If Natt can follow through on this, it’ll be the best move he’s made all season. The concern will be if he over-reacts. I don’t want to see a hustler like JT riding pine if he gets frustrated and takes a play off. Know what I mean?

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by Exhibit G on Mar 7, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I can't wait for the season to be over

I’m not 100% so please correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve yet to see Natt own up to any of these problems. You can’t just blame the players when they’re using severely undersized rotations; or when a game-ending play turns out to be a hail mary; or when after extended rest/practice the team seemingly gets worse.

Looking at both pre and post trade deadline rosters, there’s just no way around how bad a coach this guy is. Prior the trades, Salmons and Miller often play disinterested. There’s so many hustle guys on the rosters right now that it’s mindboggling how terrible the defense is. Natt has managed a terrible defense on two different rotations.

by SeeingStars on Mar 7, 2009 11:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Unfortunately

This what Kenny Natt wants to be –

This is what Kenny Natt is –

Such is life for the interim coach…

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by section214 on Mar 7, 2009 1:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

I think the real problem

Is that one ear is shorter than the other. :)

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by pookeyguru on Mar 7, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

JT

If I remember correctly, JT got yanked out of the game about 6 minutes into the first quarter for not guarding Troy Murphy. I don’t think it was a lack of effort. It was more a rookie mistake. Donte was put in in this ridiculous plan to play power forward, then got yanked almost immediately for making a defensive mistake. Again, not a lack of effort, but a lack of knowledge.

Sorry to say, but if you’re talking about lack of defensive effort, exhibit A is Kevin Martin. It would be nice if someone could light a fire under his ass about defense. Musselman, Theus, Natt and Ron Artest haven’t been able to do it, so it’s might not be doable. The solution is ultimately that you need to surround Kevin with good defensive players – especially wing players.

I’ll also agree that Natt’s rotations don’t make any sense. It’s blindingly obvious that Nocioni should be starting and he somehow doesn’t get minutes even with Cisco’s broken finger. Natt is lost and is starting to flail around looking for answers. I don’t know what they are, other than getting better defenders.

by Carl on Mar 7, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Sorry Carl,

I don’t agree about the rookie mistakes. With all this off time, I’ve rewatched the Pacer game, and have a different opinion.

Yes, JT left Murphy open in the corner because he came to stop Ford. Hawes & Bobby played the pick & roll so badly, that if JT hadn’t left Murphy, Ford would of had a easy layup. The Pacers ran that play 5 times in the first half, and Hawes & Nocioni did a terrible job of stopping the ball. And, were too quick to get back to their man.

Donte, got burned by Murphy the first time, because he stopped the ball at the basket, but no one helped him by picking up Murphy. So, he ran out at Murphy, and Murphy drove past him. By the way, Murphy traveled. In his indecision whether to shoot the 3 or not, he stepped forward then back, but eventually drove by Greene by moving the other foot first. Later, Murphy beat Greene one on one and finished with a sensational reverse dunk, using the rim to keep Greene from blocking the shot. But, Donte played it as well as anyone could, didn’t foul him, and again got no help.

And, as I’ve posted before, if Natt pulled JT & Donte because of those plays, he’s an idiot.

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by HighTops on Mar 8, 2009 1:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You may be right

I don’t remember the specific plays. I do remember that Murphy dropped three threes in the first six minutes, so it wasn’t just one play that got JT pulled. My point is mostly that Natt is carping about a lack of effort and yanking JT and Greene out of the game when effort is not the problem. Whether it’s a rookie defensive mistake or a lack of help defense, effort is not the issue.

And, as I’ve posted before, if Natt pulled JT & Donte because of those plays, he’s an idiot.

That’s exactly why he pulled them. What’s concerning to me is that YOU may have a better idea of where the defensive breakdown occurred than the team’s coach does.

by Carl on Mar 8, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

YOU may have a better idea of where the defensive breakdown occurred than the team’s coach does.

The thought had crossed my mind, and it sent shivers down my spine.

And, I couldn’t agree with you more about “effort is not the issue”.

Natt hasn’t been able to motivate the team since he took over in December. The threat of benching, didn’t work with Beno, and I don’t have a clue why he would think it would work now, with only 20 games left. And, the fact that the players are attacking each other, shows how he’s lost control of the team.

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by HighTops on Mar 8, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What a surprise, Martin -24

Maybe you Martin fanatics will wake up and realize a big reason we suck is that efficient offense from one player (with a butt-ugly, jump into the other player style) does not make up for total lack of defense—Martin is basically a big hole for the other team to run through.

Its about time Natt put a team on the floor, that like Bobby J. indicated, isn’t afraid to play a contact sport. Thompson deserves the benefit of the doubt for rookie mistakes, but how long has Martin been in this league again? Wake up. He ain’t changing that much.

Go ahead and make fun of Natt, but no coach could do crap with this team. Because it isn’t a team. It’s like Barkley told me at a fundraising dinner once: The Kings? They’re a box of Kleenex.

by VirginiaBlue on Mar 7, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Oh yes Charles Barkley is the expert of this team

And his opinion is to be 100% trusted too……

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by pookeyguru on Mar 7, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think that comment was more about Martin than Barkley

but way to take the cheap shot, we’re proud of ya.

by passionforPERPS on Mar 7, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Anytime there's a cheap shot to be taken on Charles Barkley

I’m always willing to take it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Mar 8, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kind of a tit for tat thing

He hates Sacramento. I hate him. Synergy.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Mar 8, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Barkley said it

It must be true.

“No, officer, I haven’t been drinking…”

The thing is, Kevin Martin isn’t the only bad defensive player. You can’t say that he’s the reason we suck. It’s like saying that the housing market is making the economy bad. There are a lot of factors at work here.

Is Martin bad defensively? Sure. But on my top ten list of reasons we are cellar dwellers, that’s probably pretty low, if it’s there at all.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Mar 7, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The fact that

Martin is still scoring so efficiently is a testament to how good he SHOULD be. The guy floats through three quarters of the game, 50% of the time on offense and 100% of the time on D.

What happened to the K-Mart that scored at will when he came back from the ankle injury? Made Every wide-open jumper/three? He’s playing disinterested and lazy. I understand he’s hampered by the ankle but you overcome physical limitations with heart and hustle, two descriptors that I can’t use for Martin’s game lately. He’s the first person that should be benched IF Natt enforces this. Benching your best player for lackadaisical play is the best way to send a message to your team. Pop does it. Phil does it.

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by BPaoliano on Mar 7, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A new agitator emerges

May the world never be the same again,…….

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

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by pookeyguru on Mar 7, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe you Martin fanatics will wake up and realize a big reason we suck is that efficient offense from one player (with a butt-ugly, jump into the other player style) does not make up for total lack of defense—Martin is basically a big hole for the other team to run through

Actually, it kind of does. I’m not apologizing for Kevin’s terrible defense – I criticized him right above your post. But being one of the most efficient offensive players in the NBA kind of does make up for being a bad defender. He wouldn’t be on the floor otherwise.

by Carl on Mar 7, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

there are a couple reasons I can think of why Natt continues to play Martin.

Not wanting to upset his best player.
Not wanting to give Martin’s minutes to someone who isn’t in the long term plans for the team. Especially as an interim coach doing his best to please management and ownership.

This is a BAD team. If you want to change the defensive culture benching lazy defenders (Martin) is a good start. It’s not as if we can lose more without Kevin. Even if we did, would that really be a bad thing right now with Washington on our heels for the worst record?

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by BPaoliano on Mar 7, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Soooo.....

Who should Natt be playing instead? Is this team honestly more competitive with Martin coming off the bench?

I working on a theory that BP is actually a secret pseudonym for Rashad McCants…

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by Exhibit G on Mar 7, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Put Greene at the 3 and cisco at 2

it’s not like the team can do any worse. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

The worst thing about this team is not fun to watch. I find myself cursing at the TV more often than cheering the team. Forget that they are losing. Kings fans have been rooting for losing teams for more years than winning teams.

McCants, talking his way into guarding Troy Murphy when no one else seemed to want to….
That’s something I can cheer for.

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by BPaoliano on Mar 7, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Fun to watch

At least with Martin the Kings score. I really like Greene, but he is going to be as less efficient scorer and will not be a major improvement on defense. I’m all for Greene gaining playing time, but not at Martin’s expense.

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by Exhibit G on Mar 8, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Idiotic BP - sorry, but thats my take

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Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Mar 8, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

That Kevin deserves to be benched when he doesn’t hit the floor or watches his man blow by him. The problem is that no one has yet gotten Kevin to play defense and Kenny Natt may not be here past the end of next month. Natt benching Kevin probably won’t accomplish anything, but I wouldn’t blame him for trying.

by Carl on Mar 7, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

dangerous precedent

Bench your best player for not trying – good
Benching your best player who is trying but is injured – not so good

tough call

by betweentheeyes on Mar 7, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

kevin has not got the fire this spring

especially the last several games. He has lost heart and who can really blame him? I have seen game after game where he played very well and carried the team offensively for a whole quarter or even a whole game, with the team always losing in the end because of his teammates bonehead plays, his own turnovers, and lack of defense all around. I miss the excitement of the alley oop passes and drives to the basket with the focus to actually score and one! Every time I see another team score easy alley-oops, I actually miss Bibby.

by newkings on Mar 7, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Question(s)

Do we win without Martin?

Can we consistently hold an opponent under 100 without Martin?

Can we consistently score over 100 without Martin?

Are all points scored by the opponent scored against Martin?

Is Martin the only bad defender on this team?

I am not disagreeing with anything that anyone has said in terms of Martin’s lack of defense. But the idea that he is what is solely or primarily ailing this team is ludicrous.

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by section214 on Mar 7, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

All good questions

i hesitate to get back into his discussion, but here goes.
Unless Natt actually follows through with his threats, we’ll never know the answers to your questions. And, just like the episode earlier in the year when Natt continually benched Beno and then recanted, benching Martin would be another error for Natt to add to his Resume of Errors.

Even though Martin is having an off year offensively, his effeciency is still high. Martin contributes 151 pts for every 100 FGA’s. The team averages 123pts per 100 FGA’s. So, Martin add 28 pts per 100 FGA or 7pts per game better than the team average. 82games.com has the defense giving up 8.9 pts more than the Kings score while Martin is on the court. So, the Kings score 7ppg more with Martin and give up 8.9ppg with him. So, is Martin’s defensive deficiencies costing the Kings 15.9ppg? Absolutely not! Do the deficiencies contribute to some of the points, Yes.

So, if Martin isn’t the whole problem, then what’s the answer?

In the Pacer game, the Kings switched at almost every pick. The Pacer kept picking until they got a mismatch they liked and then took advantage of it. COACHING ERROR

The Kings got burned on Pick & Rolls all game long. In fact the Kings have been getting burned on Pick & Rolls all season long. The bigs don’t step out on the ball long enough for the guards to reaquire their man. The bigs either don’t know their job, or don’t trust that someone will help with their man. Since it’s been going on so long, I’ve got to believe it’s a TRUST thing or COACHING.

The 3pt defense, something even the Maloofs are aware of, and something that’s been going on all season long. Guys loosing their man, guys cheating off their man to help in the paint, and guys not helping when someone goes to help or double. PLAYER TRAINING OR SKILL, COACHING.

All these defensive problems aren’t new. It’s not that they haven’t been talked about here before now. And, none ot them are related to effort or laziness. So, why is it that the only excuse we get from the Coach is that the problem is EFFORT. And, his only thought is to find someone that he feels isn’t putting out an effort, and bench him.

Natt had only on chance of coming out of this interm job looking better than Reggie. He inherited the team as it got healthy, and all he really had to do was work on the skill levels of the Youth. Get them some experience and hope that the improvement would win some games. Instead , he changed the offense, the defense, and the rotations (constantly). And, he ended up with a worse winning percentage, and a team attacking itself instead of working together to get better.

There’s nothing wrong with the players. Nothing that a couple of years with a good defensive coach with a solid system won’t cure.

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by HighTops on Mar 8, 2009 4:45 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs

Forget link to 82game.com data

here: http://www.82games.com/0809/08SAC6.HTM

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by HighTops on Mar 8, 2009 4:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Another link

also from 82 games.com. Unless I’m reading it wrong, it shows that the Kings are better when Martin is on the floor than off.

This one also from 82games. It seems to indicate that SF is the least of our worries, followed by SG, PF, C and PG.

Interesting stuff, these stats.

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by section214 on Mar 8, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Regarding the 1st link: Looks that way to me too

and Kevin is one of only 5 players with a positive differential. The other 4? McCants, Gooden, Thomas and Jackson. So, if you throw out the guys who haven’t you know actually played more than a handful of minutes for the team, that leaves Kevin +3.5 and BJax +1.4.

From the definition of Roland rating:

This rating isn’t an absolute measure of a player’s ability, but it does represent how successful a player is with a given team. In general the player with the best Roland Rating on a team is the difference maker (exclude the guys who play a statistically insignificant number of minutes). When the top guy is on the floor the team performs at a much higher level.

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by Kfan in Korea on Mar 8, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

There seems to be a mistake in the way you're using the stats there

In your 2nd paragraph, you attempt to compare Martin’s contribution on the offensive and defensive ends.

1st: you compare Martin’s shots vs. the Kings shots and Martin is more efficient(7 points per game). OK, but doesn’t the team number include Kevin? Wouldn’t it be better to compare the offense with Martin on the floor vs. off the floor? But let’s assume 7 is a good number.

2nd you compare the Kings’ defense when Martin is on the floor to nothing(8.9 points). What does the defense give up when he’s not on the floor? What is the difference? You tried to use the difference for the 1st number. But again let’s assume the -8.9 is all Kevin’s fault.

3rd you add the numbers and ask if Kevin is responsible for 15. 9 points in deficiency. Um, +7 on offense combined with -8.9 on defense = -1.9.

Now I don’t believe this number really means anything because you were comparing apples to oranges, but the number you were looking for was -1.9 not 15.9.

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by Kfan in Korea on Mar 8, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Martin Numbers

Some of these are good questions. Let’s look at the answers.

Do we win without Martin?

We don’t win with Martin, and we don’t win without him. The differences with or without him in the lineup are statistically insignificant.

With Martin: Kings are 9-31 (.225).
Without Martin: Kings are 4-18 (.182).
Overall: 13-49 (.210).

Bottom line: We suck when he plays, and we suck when he doesn’t play.

Can we consistently hold an opponent under 100 without Martin?

We’ve held teams under 100 in six of the 22 games (27 percent) Kevin didn’t play and went 2-4 (.333) in those games.

We’ve held teams under 100 in 12 of the 40 games (30 percent) Kevin played and went 5-7 (.417) in those games.

Overall: we’ve held teams under 100 in 18 of 62 games (29 percent) and are 7-11 (.389) in those games.

Conclusions: we don’t do a better job on overall team defense without Martin. We win more games when we hold a team under 100, and we win more of those games when Kevin plays, although the sample size might be a little small to firmly draw that last conclusion.

Can we consistently score over 100 without Martin?

We’ve scored more than 100 in 21 of Martin’s 40 games (53 percent) and went 6-15 (.286) in those games.

We’ve scored more than 100 in eight of the 22 games he didn’t play (36 percent) and went 4-4 (.500) in those games.

Overall, we are 10-19 (.345) when scoring 100 and 3-30 (.091) when we don’t score 100.

There’s a lot of contradictory data here. We’re more likely win when we score 100 and more likely to score 100 when Kevin plays, but less likely to win those games than when we score 100 and he doesn’t play.

Are all points scored by the opponent scored against Martin?

No.

Is Martin the only bad defender on this team?

No.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 8, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Agreed

But the idea that he is what is solely or primarily ailing this team is ludicrous.

Agreed and well said. Kevin’s defense is a problem, but not the problem. Without him, this team wins 9 games in a season.

by Carl on Mar 8, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Big Ups to HighTops and CoolCat

great analysis by both. You both contribute to this website in intelligent and thoughtful ways, thanks and rec’d, rec’d.

These guys (the Kings players) are professionals. This is not their first game. They have been taught through various levels of competition on how to defend.

The bigs need to show or cover on paint pick and rolls but they seem to chose poorly – part of that is experience at the pro level some of it is poor habits. The bigs are rookies and need coaching, I don’t get the impression it is lack of effort. Brad Miller actually defended better but his lack of athletic ability and inconsistent effort made him a poor defender. K9 is actually a decent defender but too small and too slow, I would bet Cal Booth is similar but wouldn’t know in a Kings uni.

The backcourt is a different story. Lack of offensive game plan led to late and poor set ups on the defensive end. I think the Kings may not draft Rubio because they already play a style of Spainish hoops – Matador defense. Poor rotations on the 3 point shooters, not stopping the ball on penetration. That is coaching.

One of the main missing cogs, IMO, is the confusion of the guy playing the 3. Cisco plays defense on the 2, runs the court as a 1-2, Noces defends as a 4. So when the defense breaks down on penetration there is no help for the young’uns who go late to block shots and either foul the penetrator or leave their man for the easy dunk/lay up. That is coaching.

I think it is mostly coaching. Effort plays a good part because talk about being tired of losing is more talk before and after games than action IN games but the team is unmotivated (duh!) and has no semblence of a game plan. No adjustments are made. That is coaching.

by betweentheeyes on Mar 8, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Blame Game

First and foremost, it’s lack of talent. Most quality teams either have a player who is way better than Kmart (such as LeBron) and a decent supporting cast, or they have at least 2-3 guys who are as good or better than Kevin.

The Kings without Kevin are a superbad team. The Kings with Kevin are a superbad team, just not quite as bad. You need to add more quality pieces to the puzzle.

Coaching and inconsistent effort are also part of the equation, but a good coach and better effort won;t make nearly as much impact as the players getting better.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Mar 8, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

yes and no

we all agree that the Kings are talent poor. But…

Look at three talent comparable teams- Milwaukee, New York, and Charlotte. If travelin’ Larry, 7 second D’Antoni or Skiles were coaching this squad the results would have to be different. Have to be. There are more teams to compare to (MIN, MEM and to some degree GSW, and the Clippers) and lack of quality coaching stands out just as strongly.

This lack of talent and lack of coaching has to make us fans look at the upper management and say – Why? and how much longer do we have to wait to see something to give us fans hope? This has to be one of the longest seasons we Kings fans have endured. Blame game, definitely. There is plenty to go around.

by betweentheeyes on Mar 8, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice fanpost CC

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Mar 7, 2009 3:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Nice fanpost CC.

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by CAB on Mar 7, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Word

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by Exhibit G on Mar 8, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

K-mac's defense

      I call him K-mac because he has been hurt 15-20 games each of the last 2 years and does not play defense either like that other scorer. I few weeks ago I posted the “wall of words” and got blown out of the water by all the regulars. I said it then and I will say it again. Kevin does one thing well and one thing only. I agree with the Salmons/Miller trade only in the sense that in order to get rid of Miller we were gonna have to give up something of value. But giving up Salmons was gonna hurt defensively.
      Before Beno got hurt we had Beno, Martin, and Frisco (mr. 4th year model of good one game and sucks the next) on the wings. Not one of the guys could guard the Kobes, Wades, and James of the world. Salmons was the only one. Salmons put up 15-20 a night and always played the other teams best wing. Martin puts up 20-30 a night and guards his shadow. He does not rebound, assist, or play defense.
       I am sorry Martin lovers, but I agree with Virginia and Carl on Martin. I would really like to see if Natt has the gonads to follow through on his statement.
       Finally, I think the one thing most members on this sight agree on is the we need a point guard more than anything else. Preferably one that distributes and plays defense.
I would not count on the ping pong balls or Rubio to be the savior. Move Martin and go get your elite point guard. Calderon???

by noreboundsnorings on Mar 7, 2009 7:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Wait

If Martin sucks, how do we get an elite PG for him? I mean, we know he sucks, but 29 NBA GM’s don’t know that he sucks?

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by section214 on Mar 7, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

and who does the elite point guard pass the ball to?

K9? Beno?

by betweentheeyes on Mar 7, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Um....bout that....

So Martin gets hurt in 2 season and he’s suddenly the next McGrady. Beno gets hurt in 1 season and gets a pass. Sorry, but this argument fails. Wholly and completely fails. McGrady’s talent is based on pure physical ability. The guy is a an athletic freak and marvel with a lack of motivation. Martin’s strength is his efficiency.

The other point I find fault with is:

Not one of the guys could guard the Kobes, Wades, and James of the world

Please, please, please name me the full and complete list of players who can successfully shut down Kobe, LeBron and Wade. It is a short f*cking list.

I’ll admit that Martin is a below-average defender. But your argument is ridiculous, short-sighted, misinformed, alarmist, and full of hyperbole.

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by Exhibit G on Mar 8, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We were the worst team defensively with Salmons

so it could not be much worse without him.

by mayfieldcol on Mar 8, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I am sorry Martin lovers, but I agree with Virginia and Carl on Martin.

Just to be clear, I said I wouldn’t blame Natt for benching Kevin, but I’m not sure it would actually accomplish anything.

Move Martin and go get your elite point guard. Calderon?

This doesn’t get you anywhere. Kevin has limitations, which doesn’t make me happy but I ultimately can live with because he excels in one very important area. You don’t toss him overboard because he’s not perfect in every way.

by Carl on Mar 8, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really? Really... I mean REALLY?

When you look at this team, the first thing you think of is “Kevin Martin’s defense is the problem.”. If so, you are a fool. I am not going to sugar coat it or be polite. You are a fucking fool. While I am a HUGE Calderon fan, he would look like shut on the Kings sans-Martin. Good luck running your offense through…through… Shit. Bad idea.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 8, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs

+ 1

(with emphasis)

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Mar 9, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The absolutely worst thing to do in a season like this

Is make your best player the fall guy. Where does that leave you?

It’s Clipperesque.
(sp? – oh well)

So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,

Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Mar 9, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I cannot agree more

There are others with more blame for our defense starting at PG and Center

by mayfieldcol on Mar 9, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

My Hoop Theory

has always been that you can’t have more than 2 players on the floor with the same flaw.
3 non athiletes, 3 bad defenders, 3 non shooters, etc etc. If you don’t duplicate flaws you probably have a great team. Martin and Udrih both bad defenders, so great is out the window. Its hard to not have 3 bad defenders on the floor when I believe you are hard pressed to name 3 above average defenders (and don’t stay B Jax, he tries hard but misses to many rotations to be called good) on the team. When Garcia has to play small forward , we have 3 bad rebounders on the floor, so double crap. We have too many violations of my rule to even have a chance at mediocrity now, but things can change quickly.

by ElRonToro on Mar 7, 2009 10:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

A better plan than Natt's

would be to just de-activate Martin. Let the rooks get some experience, evaluate the new guys. I hear Diogu plays a mean 2. Douby told me. Let McCants Guard the 4s and 5s.

Martin can recover the ankle and look forward to next year. It can only help our draft status.

Hmmm…. Sarcasm? Or genius?

Sarnius?

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by BPaoliano on Mar 8, 2009 12:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Geasms?

by ElRonToro on Mar 8, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

expletive

This has to be an attempt at satire, otherwise I cannot begin to debate with you. You see, debate is about discussing the merits of two opposing viewpoints. Your viewpoint, based on the argument presented in this post, lacks merit.

Kevin Martin is 26 years old. Rashad McCants is 24. Diogu is 25. The fact that they have less experience does not mean they have more potential. Kevin Martin gaining additional experience will be more beneficial for the long-term growth of this team.

Look, I openly campaigned for Webber to sit when he was rushed back from his knee injury. But that was during a time when the Kings were one of the best teams in the Western Conference. Kevin Martin is a completely different situation.

I would call this train of thought a mixture of sarcasm and idiocy. Sacidiocy.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Mar 8, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs

Sacidiocy

Love it. I’m gonna add that to my repertoire.

AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.

by CAB on Mar 8, 2009 5:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Rec'd solely for the creation of the word

Sacidiocy.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Mar 8, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like this idea

only becuase it generates more chances for ping pong balls.

by mayfieldcol on Mar 8, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

For the sake of this thread

let’s call it satasm, sartire even.

As far as I can see, the worst thing that can come of benching someone like Martin is locker room discontent, or maybe MORE locker room discontent. My opinion is on that is, so what?

Things can’t get much worse.
Let’s say Natt benches Martin (Thompson, Garcia) and a blame game starts. Worse case scenario is Natt is let go, Sac has the most ping pong balls, we bring in a new coach next year to reassemble the pieces and we get more fodder to discuss here.

Maybe, just maybe, Natt implements this and sticks to his guns. Kings, especially the youth, learn accountability, that effort and efficiency earn playing time.

I would consider sitting your injured star in a hopless year tanking before I would label it idiocy. It’s not like there isn’t a precedence set for it. And Martin gleaning some team altering experience from the last 20 games of THIS season may be the one of the most sacidiotic things I’ve ever heard.

And I hear a lot of sacidiotic things.

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by BPaoliano on Mar 8, 2009 9:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Sounds like a guy trying to save his job,

If he would have done this six weeks ago, I might have a little more respect for the guy.

Maybe Natt on take a look at Don Nelson, at least the guy has some “BALLS”. Whether you agree with him or not he is the leader of the team.

Does anyone remember the “Waterboy” and how the coach used a book from the “DUMMIES” series. I think it was called FOOTBALL PLAYS FOR DUMMIES. Sound familiar.

by nothingbutnet on Mar 8, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The book wasn't called HOCKEY coaching for dummies was it?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Mar 8, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Natt's monumental stroke of stupidity

Because Natt has announced that he’s benching players for lack of effort, if the team (FO) decides it’s best to ease back on Martin’s minutes for medical reasons, it’s going to look like he’s benched for effort. And, if Martin does get benched for effort, he might just take it badly, and say he’s injured and wants to sit out the remainder of the season to avoid further imbarassment. Playing the power card is the act of a desparate man, and an act of futility if your a lame duck coach.

The last 20 games offer an invaluable opportunity to develop a cohesive starting lineup. That means the youth (Hawes, JT & Donte) playing together with Martin & Beno. They need to work together, fight together, & help each other out. The last thing we need is finger pointing, or even worse, players packing it in for the season.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Mar 8, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs

Ladies and gentlemen

The Kenny Natt era!!!

"Let's stop arguing and get together and agree on who really is the problem: PEACHES" - HighTops

by eduardo_m7 on Mar 8, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Mar 8, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good call

by nothingbutnet on Mar 8, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good Call deuce

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....

by pookeyguru on Mar 8, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs