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If Chris Paul is a dirty player, then yes. If Michael Jordan was dirty, then yes. If Rasheed Wallace is dirty, then yes.
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All I know is that since KG moved to Boston,
…he has become extremely arrogant and annoying.
He has turned into a “Bowen” type of player although he never was like that in Minnesota. I’ve noticed that he keeps aiming at “easier” targets like international players who are probably not used to trash talking and stuff like that. Some examples:
Belinelli, Belinelli again, Bogut, Pachulia, Atlanta fan, Calderon.
This is beyond the Paul-Jordan-Rasheed competitiveness. This is arrogance. And it’s not only his fault. It’s the whole marketing promotion in favour of the Celtics. Who hasn’t watched more than 100 times (literally) that KG advertisement during all NBA games?
Anyway, that doesn’t mean they didn’t deserve the championship of course. But they also deserve my hate!
Great clips
I used to like KG, but after seeing what kind of person he’s become in Boston, count me squarely in the “Garnett’s a dirty player” camp.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Mar 7, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
KG had become the lovable loser to me LPA
That’s why so many people appreciated him. Now he’s the dirty winner, and more people hate him. Not surprising, but, it’s kind of interesting that despite how many things change, it’s even more curious how many things don’t.
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Who hasn’t watched more than 100 times (literally) that KG advertisement during all NBA games?
Raises hand… I only watch NBA games on TiVo, so I don’t even know what commercial you’re talking about. :-)
That one is fine, I can't stand
The new ones with the miniature people in the bus.
I heart the lilliputians
they are clever and coy, the guy who was the rogue plastic surgeon on the first season of Nip/Tuck is great.
LeBron is human, Chris Paul has a great motor, Pau is a hard working team player and star, fans are obnoxious. Great campaign.
by betweentheeyes on Mar 8, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I've always thought of KG as being arrogant
I remember when he clothes-lined (stuck out his arm) to try to knock one of our players over when he was on the Timberwolves. KG has always been a dirty player, but he plays with passion.
Nothing new
KG has always been this way. Recall all the games in Minnesota when he would block/goal-tend shots after whistles just so opposing players wouldn’t be able to establish a rhythm.
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Yes I consider Boston to be dirty
Do I care? No.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Yes
If it weren’t for KG acting like a dick ever since he put on a Celtics jersey, I’d probably just call them a hard-nosed defensive team.
wow - I strongly disagree with the above sentiments
KG has always been intense. His intensity increased with his skill and his leadership role. He has been the leader of the not good enough TWolves where his voice and intensity were better accepted due to the not quite contender status of his team.
Don’t you all remember the media beat down KG got when he compared the playoff series to a war? Personally, that is one of the reasons I would get TWolves tix when they came to ARCO – are there many more enjoyable things to watch then a player who fights like hell to win? Who the outcome of the game is personal and you know it every second he is on the court? Did you guys hate the arrognace of Alonzo Mourning too? I hated him playing my team but I envied the team he was on – and he has nowhere the skills of a Kevin Garnett. Dwayne Wade is that type of player, LeBron is becoming that type of player. Tim Duncan is the Pete Sampras bottled intensity that is involved in every play.
So, no, Boston isn’t dirty – the young guys are less skilled and rougher (geez, did you expect Big Baby to step aside or finesse his way around the rim?) than the Boston Three Party. Ray Allen is dirty? Eddie House is dirty? NO. No uncontested lay ups is not dirty. It is a philosophy. Perhaps that idea is so foreign to us Kings Fans that we have no other way to explain it than to blink in amazement and claim it unjust. Looks like pre-playoff basketball to me.
Love his intensity like I liked C-Webb's intensity
Although Kevin is more intense. Remember when Chris came back from surgery and was getting booed @ Arco, then made a brutal, beautiful dunk and glared @ the crowd? That was awesome. Wish we had that kind of intensity @ Arco now.
Boston is dirty in the same way that Detroit's Bad Boys were dirty
And KG’s always been like that, or am I the only one that remembers his cheap shot at Anthony Peeler just before Peeler retaliated and got himself suspended for game 7?
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No, you are not the only one...
I still remember it well. I remember Peeler elbowed Garnett, and I remember Flip Saunders picking Jabari Smith to shoot some free throws and he made them. I also remember thinking the Kings had a good shot of winning that series, when before the playoffs started I did not think they would make it past Dallas. That was a fun series.
I don't mind a little dirty play
our beloved C-Webb knocked John Stockton to the floor in his first playoff game as a King. I can’t really fault KG for being arrogant. He’s got a ring. I think we’d be much more forgiving if it were our own team.
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Agree completely...
What one person calls arrogance, another could call pride, toughness, or just playing his butt off. And while KG might tiptoe towards/on/over the “dirty” line every so often, I would absolutely love to see anyone on the Kings adopt his attitude. I think that his attitude looks dirty to us because our fan base is so unfamiliar with anything approaching effort on defense that we don’t know what else to call it…
Good point
Does the same thing apply to Perkins or Big Baby that applies to KG? That is, does talent buy you some wiggle room? Is Matt Harpring dirty, but Karl Malone had desire? Or is Harpring only dirty because he is not wearing a Kings uni?
I remember that I despised Danny Ainge until he became a King.
So, is brutish in the eye of the beholder?
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Yes it is
A great example of this is Bruce Bowen. San Antonio fans LOVE him, everyone else hates him. He’s not super talented, so he learned a few dirty little tricks on defense that have made him a very valuable player. He’s done what he’s had to do to stay in the game. I hate watching him play against us, but if he was on our team I’d be a very happy man.
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The fine line between love and hate
sorry, just wanted to say that.
But there is also the fine line between effort and ugliness. Dirty and veteran move. Blocking and charging. Screen and moving pick. No call and “let’em play”. (Big gaps between rookie call and star bail out.)
Is Eddie Najera dirty? much of the time, yes. Is he Reggie Evans? Danny Fortson? Was Dennis Rodman dirty (in a wedding dress kind of way – wait, that makes him perverted, bad example)?
Returning to the main point of TZ’s Socratic innocent question: Kevin Garnett plays hard, smart and with intensity. I cannot believe he plays with the intent to harm anyone or get away with anything that he doesn’t feel is within the scope of the game. But what TZ alludes to (IMO), do the Kings have a player like that? Do they want one? need one?
by betweentheeyes on Mar 8, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
We understand...
We know what it’s like to be a very bad team…we were there not too long ago. So if my team were 13-49, I’d probably think other teams were dirty also…thank god I get to root for the “dirty” Celtics…because you can call us dirty, annoying, arrogant…just as long as you tack on champs to that description. The league feels that we play within the rules that are established, thats why they awarded us the trophy. So all of this just comes off sounding like hating…
P.S. KG does this on purpose by the way…he likes to play the villain. It’s what drives him to be one of the most fierce competitors in the game. It’s all a show, used to drive his intensity directly from his opponents disgust for him…kind of surprised you guys didn’t pick that up.
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Erm -
There is no team that we hate more than the Lakers, but “dirty” really never enters into that conversation.
And I think it only comes off as “hating” to Celtics fans. To the other 29 teams, it’s probably a fair conversation.
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