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The second half of the season, believe it or not, has featured some of the most encouraging losses I've ever experienced as a Kings fan. Perhaps that's to be expected from a young team; I've never been in this situation, though. Even in the later portion of the 1990s dry spell the team wasn't so saturated with youth. Arguably, the team's two best players with Kevin Martin injured are a 22-year-old rookie and a 20-year-old sophomore. (Francisco Garcia's the only other guy in the conversation.) That's a Shock to the system, even if it's what we've wanted since 2005.

The Lakers game Tuesday fell apart in the third quarter, and this one did roughly the same, with Houston rattling off a 19-2 beginning with three minutes left in the third. There's just not enough firepower, or enough defense, to hold a great team down for longer than a half of a game or so. Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes went nuts in the first half ... but you can't exactly expect them to put up 30/15, right? Likewise, Hawes isn't the right guy to shut out Yao Ming, the best center in the West. Maybe someday, when Yao's old and Hawes is benching Volkswagens. But not now.

And I'm cool with that, and I'm not stressing about the losses, even though I'd like to see at least one more win. I think, though, the growth of Shock & Hawes this past month has reiterated that we have been in the right in criticizing Kenny Natt for strapping Donté Greene to the bench. You can only learn so much in practice, or from watching tape. You need to be out on the floor against NBA players. Shareef and Coachie can teach Thompson every move in the book. But standing across from Luis Scola and doing it will get you to your peak. Experience can't be substituted.

Look at Francisco Garcia. Remember the Cisco Play of the Game -- the one stunningly bad play Flaco would make every single game? He might take a silly shot now and then, but he's not making those mistakes. He's grown up as a player. And he's finishing his fourth season! Start the process earlier, let Greene grow into his NBA identity, and figure out how good he'll be.

It's disappointing that it took this long to get Greene solid rotation minutes. (And who knows, maybe he'll be back on the bench tonight in L.A.) You can't rely on encouraging losses forever; at some point, surprise double-doubles will become expected double-doubles. You can't afford to learn-on-the-fly when winning is the only objective, and that day will come sooner than you think. Two of the kids are getting a legit opportunity to learn. It's unfortunate the third had to wait so long.

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Who knows

How the new coach will use Donte and whether Donte playing right now is a product of the team so out of the playoff race.

 Greene needs to be a lot better next year if he expects to see those same minutes he’s getting towards the end of the season. I’m sure whatever coach that lands the job will have the primary objective will be to turn around the culture of the team and get the guys to play more focused basketball and try to win as many games as possible and also improve defensively.

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by kingme18 on Apr 10, 2009 6:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with the optimism

but slightly disagree on the Dé3 take. Its a chicken and egg thing. Are Shock and Hawes playing well because they are getting time or are they playing well because they were gradually exposed and gained confidence so now they are ready for their time?

If they had been run out there for 30+ minutes a night 4 months ago, would they be better than they are now because they have more experience or worse because they lost confidence being thrown to the wolves before they were ready?

Emotionally, I want Dé3 to get more minutes alsol intellectually, I’l trying to be patient. What we really want is growth, for all Natt’s faults, I don’t think we can complain about the growth of JT and Spencer so I have a tough time blaming him for the time he gives Donte. When I see Dé3 on the court, he looks unready a fair amount of the time.

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by ForThree on Apr 10, 2009 7:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gradual?

Maybe for Hawes considering last season, but J.T. was starting rather early this season.

by Ziller on Apr 10, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to say something similar, but then I remember that JT was drafted and hyped as being able to “play now” whilst Greene is without exception considered a project player.

Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
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by iashwash on Apr 10, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My perceptions without doing my homework:

Hawes started while Miller was suspended, played great, Miller came back, Hawes still played well for a while but gradually got worse, he got fewer and fewer minutes. Finally, he started playing better in limited time and eventually got the starter’s job when Miller was traded.

I agree with you JT got a lot of time, but before he became the starter there was plenty of chatter here about him being held back, and questions why Mikki was starting.

Also, I think there’s a difference between what JT is asked to do generally (rebound, hustle, get putbacks) and Hawes. Spencer’s game right now is skill based and we’re all pleasantly surprised with his athleticism. JT’s game (so far) is more based on his physical gifts than his skills, not to say that will always be the case.

Its easier to say to a guy, “go hustle your brains out for 20 minutes a night because you’ll be effective that way” than “go run the high post, make our decisions on offense and use your still developing skills”.

Just my two cents, I agree with you I’d like to see more Dé3, but I want to see more good Donté. If the coaching staff thinks he’s not going to deliver that and might regress, I guess I can’t be too hard on them for it.

The ultimate victory in competition is derived from the inner satisfaction of knowing that you have done your best and that you have gotten the most out of what you had to give…Howard Cosell

by ForThree on Apr 10, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Donte needs development and playing time

I think him not getting minutes when the team is losing will hurt his confidence more than going out and trying his hardest and making mistakes. I’d like to see him get plenty of practice time with Coachie, who helped Kevin’s confidence quite a bit. Carril can teach him how to go out, play hard, and learn from his mistakes rather than letting them ruin him. Kinda makes me wish Yoda had been around for longer while we had Douby.

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by vfettke on Apr 10, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad to see him playing

and I really like him as a person. But I am still confused as to his identity. I know he is a project, but for his height he doesn’t rebound very well, I don’t often see his athleticism in action, and except for free throws, his shooting is terrible. I thought that coming in we would see some real flashes, but so far I am scratching my head. Is he supposed to be an incredible scorer, a guy who can defend really well at the SF slot because of his height, or what? I’m not saying he is a wash, yet, but I’d like to see seomthing to give me hope.

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by SavageBeast on Apr 10, 2009 9:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice work, Z

The losses are still tough, but the growth in the games of Hawes, JT & Cisco has been worth it, worth every damned one of them.

Donte’? A lot of potential, but Jesus, I am so sick of seeing him chucking up threes. You’re 6’10" and a world class athlete, get your ass to the rim, young man. I’m glad he’s here, I think he could be great, and he’s already a terrific teammate. But take it to the hole, man.

That’s what she said.

And you’ve stumped me, Ziller. “Benching Volkswagens?” The worst part is I know I’m going to do a facepalm when you explain it to me.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Apr 10, 2009 9:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He means

benchpressing Volkswagens

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by vfettke on Apr 10, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

facepalm>napalm

Coming to you live from the land of interim coaches.

by LeaguePassAddict on Apr 10, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dont facepalm Tigerbalm

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Apr 10, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question

We see Chris Paul setting up Chandler for alley-oops all the time. You see it with many other players in the league. It would seem that Donté would be the perfect type of player to try and get an alley-oop to once a game.

Why don’t they try?

I am sure there are plays you can run to get this type of shot. I wouldn’t mind seeing the coaching staff try and get Greene one of these looks since he hasn’t really had any moments to “shine” this year by using his athleticism. I’ve seen a couple nice follow dunks and drives into the lane but an alley-oop or two might get his confidence going more and get him to think about things other than just shooting the three.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Apr 10, 2009 10:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not to beat the guy, but ...

Udrih has thrown less alley-oops in his Kings career than Anthony Johnson did in two months. Court vision isn’t his strong point.

by Ziller on Apr 10, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya

I thought of that. That’s why I mentioned the staff actually drawing up a play for Greene to back-cut and get an oop. I never would expect Udrih to look for the oop on the break but maybe in a half court set, the staff could (and should) be able to draw up a play to try and free Greene.

I guess the Kings’ coaching staff is so used to not having players that can actually finish an alley-oop!

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Apr 10, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've had it run so many times against us,

you would think that we would have plenty of game footage to learn how it’s done.

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by section214 on Apr 10, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've thought the same thing so many times

You’d think that after getting broken down by the likes of Chris Paul and Deron Williams so much that Beno would learn some of those move through pure osmosis.

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by vfettke on Apr 10, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

with that logic - Pookey should be a Porn Star
you would think that we would have plenty of game footage to learn how it’s done.

sorry PG, don’t mean to pick on you too much

by betweentheeyes on Apr 10, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

With that logic I should have stream of young women with porn tendencies coming & going all the time.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 11, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do we know for sure that the staff knows how to draw up plays;p)

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Apr 10, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that an argument in favor of Rubio that he can see those types of plays?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 11, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is nothing about Shock and Hawes

that reiterates anything about Donte Greene. They can play at this level right now, albeit still on a sharp learning curve. He cannot. He just cannot. I hope he will get deservedly into the rotation next year. Right now he reminds me of someone’s very large seven-year-old little brother who mom makes you take to the park with your friends. He might become the best player of them all. Not right now. He does not belong in any game more than ten minutes.

The balance and perspective in this post up to the nasty spill into Donte Greene apologism was refreshing.

by left hand on Apr 10, 2009 6:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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