Four on the floor - Thabeet or not Thabeet

by ElRonToro on Apr 13, 2009 3:58 PM PDT

Of the top 4 possible picks that we want to get on the Arco floor, 3 of them I could get excited about. Griffin is everybodys choice, and I could get behind the 3 big rotation of young big men and truly be excited. The next two are points, Rubio and Jennings , who draw Maravich and Parker comparisons. We are something like 3-14 in games decided by 3 points or less, with a Maravich or Parker we would be at least 9-8, 6 wins and probably more. That leaves the worst case scenario, the Kings falling to 4. Thabeet...I'm not excited. I should be. I'm not against defense. Some of my best friends play defense (ok just the ones that can't shoot).

Can you guys either ramp me up about Thabeet, or give me another name to get excited about , that is not a 2 or a 3...I can live with our smalls until we get closer to the playoffs...they are fairly easy to find.

Help.

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Greg Monroe

Freshman at Georgetown… 6’11" and also a stud… just will take him a little more time than Griffin. Assuming he comes out, he’s seems like less “bust” risk than Thabeet to me. As I typed this, it occurs to me that we shouldn’t be thinking of a non first or second choice! positive thoughts only… we don’t need to think about the 4th best player…aagghh!

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Apr 13, 2009 4:53 PM PDT reply actions

Tyreke Evans

He’s raw, but what a point guard he could be.

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by section214 on Apr 13, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

If we go big with our first pick..

What are the odds of a quality (Teague, Evans, etc) being around with the Rockets pick?

by misterbrister on Apr 13, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions

I think pretty good

It looks to me like the talent at the end of the first round isn’t so different from the beginning (after maybe the fifth spot).

Teague and Evans will not be there, but there are some other difference makers that will probably be picked in the twenties. Blair, Calathes, maybe even Flynn could be there.

by CDinSD on Apr 13, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions

Thabeet is not the answer.. Please do not draft this bust.

by gpucci on Apr 15, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions

Speaking of Tyreke, did anybody else notice...

…that Tyreke Evans is always listed on Kings telecasts as an option in the top picks? Jerry seems to go out of his way to list him as a player that could be a possible top 4 pick. Also, I believe Aileen listed him in her top four players (Griffin, Rubio, Evans and Flynn). Most mocks have listed much lower. Makes you wonder if Petrie (or someone else on the inside) is a little less tight-lipped about their fourth favorite player now that we’re assured a top four pick .

by R-Man on Apr 13, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions

If Evans wasn't on their top 3 of choices

I’d really be shocked.

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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions

Personally

I would be more than happy with Evans if the Kings draft him

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Apr 14, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions

My sentiments exactly

Where you & I will disagree (and I know you won’t like this) is that I’d think right now I’d rather have Evans than Griffin.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions

WHAT!?!?!!?!?

Griffin over Evans!?!?!

I agree. :-)

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Apr 14, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions

D'oh

Evans over Griffin I mean.

Basically because the Kings already have JT and Spence. If Mikki was still the starter, I would want Griffin without question.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Apr 14, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions

I don't look at it that way at all

I look at it the Kings are getting a likely top 3 and need to come away with a franchise player or a player very near that. In my view Griffin isn’t going to qualify. (In my view. In the words of some guy, breathe, baby, breathe.)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions

Pookey

I guess that is what I was saying in a different way. So you are saying that if the Kings did not have JT and only had Spencer and Mikki as the starting front court, you would still not take Griffin with the number 1? I don’t think Griffin will be a franchise player either (not a big improvement over JT) but if the Kings didn’t have JT would you still pick Evans with the #1 pick if Rubio wasn’t coming out? Assuming you would even take Rubio with the #1 pick.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Apr 14, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions

You are a smart man

Because that’s exactly what I’m saying.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Well you're smart regardless of whether you agree with me

I should say you’re perceptive and you understood my point precisely.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions

I also slightly misread what you wrote too

So yes, we absolutely agree on this one. Good.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions

ElRon

there’s a bunch of good prospects out there but it’s still too early to get worked up about the draft. There may not be much else to talk about but regardless, it’s too early. This is not a draft full of obvious superstars but it’s actually full of prospects who look like they may be decent pros, especially with 1’s. Tyreke Evens, yeah.

Thabeeeeeeeeeet!!!, only if he’s the best player available when we draft and he could be.

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by Bluejohn on Apr 13, 2009 5:18 PM PDT reply actions

This is my fear

I can see a lot of this in Thabeet’s NBA future … and I’m not talking about Chris Weber.

by Mystic on Apr 13, 2009 5:41 PM PDT reply actions

He's already a better player than Dalembert

(once he gets some NBA games under his belt)
definately has more upside

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- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Apr 14, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions

Already better?

Weren’t you busting someone for unwarranted hyperbole last week?

by otis29 on Apr 14, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions

Lttg would never do that Otis

His madness is always consistent. :)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions

Time will tell

I didn’t compare him to D Howard or anything – we are talking about Dalembert here.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Apr 14, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions

I seem to remember something...

here it is.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 14, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Kfan is on the warpath

I’m not coming anywhere near Asia I promise sir.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions

No warpath

but I think I heard somewhere that you should, “Never get involved in a blog war with a man living in Asia” or something like that.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 14, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

I didn't see that coming

I didn’t see it at coming. < Whistles with naive enjoyment />

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions

Didn't see it comin at all^

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions

Burn

by otis29 on Apr 14, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions

You're not doing subtlety are you?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions

I didn't compare him to Howard in that thread

just mentioned that Howard doesn’t actually ever shoot the ball.

Layups and dunks not only count – they’re easier.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Apr 14, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions

So

you didn’t compare him to Howard, you just compared the types of shots they both take? Um, ok.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 14, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions

Ummmm - yes, that is correct.

One aspect does not make a players whole game.
(as you well know)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Apr 14, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions

So if I said

Kevin Martin’s 3 point shooting is better than LeBron’s.

That wouldn’t be comparing him to LeBron because one aspect does not make a player’s whole game?

Got it.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 14, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions

He is not already better.

by mayfieldcol on Apr 15, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions

My fear

is that we are not at #1 and Rubio doesn’t come over the water. Jennings hasn’t done anything that I have ever seen to merit being in this group. But who really grabs you after Griffin if there is no Rubio at the end of the tunnel?

Thabeet isn’t a walking tree like Muresan. He will attempt, and succeed often, to block shots. I just cannot imagine him being able to handle an NBA-size post player one on one.

Let’s go with the “positive thoughts” approach.

by left hand on Apr 13, 2009 7:02 PM PDT reply actions

If Thabeet gets Muresan’s offense minus the injuries, he’s an all-star with his shot blocking.

by DesertFox on Apr 13, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions

Time will tell

Everybody knows I think after a season or two he’s the one of the next All-Star Centers in this league. I don’t deny his potential bust level is high – but so is his potential as the next great defensive Center – DENYING the rim (something we don’t do at all) for years to come.
Its not sexy – its just winning basketball.

That being said, he’s always been my back-up plan.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Apr 13, 2009 10:44 PM PDT reply actions

thabeet

i like what he did in college. but i am quite uncertain as to how effective he’ll be in the NBA, defensively. and i dont see him contributing much offensively.

stephen curry interests me a bit as a PG…so does maynor down by our second pick.

by sactoreg on Apr 14, 2009 5:38 AM PDT reply actions

I'd like to grab Maynor with the Rockets pick if we don't get Rubio

by furious.d on Apr 14, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions

not sure if he's projected to still be available

by furious.d on Apr 14, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions

As if that matters

Where were JT & DeAndre Jordan projected to go in mock drafts last year?

Exactly.

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by PhutureKings on Apr 14, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions

I'd love GP to swap that Houston pick for one in the 'teens somewhere.

We need more talent!

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Apr 14, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions

Yet another problem I have with your comment

How do we go about getting that done lttg? Your enthusiasm is fine. It’s just you say things with little to no chance of happening sometimes. (This is a prime example IMO, and it’s not offensive to anybody with the exception of those of us who follow these types of transactions.)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 14, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions

Little chance of happening?

Like Rubio Dominating the NBA? Multiple All-Star appearances

Like that?

Trades happen all the time, we have two assets that I think many teams might give up a teens pick for (Cisco and Noce). There are other possibilities as well.

There are always possibilities – and now IS the time to speculate.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Apr 14, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions

And once again

You avoid the subject because you know you can’t win going on the real issue. Pretty typical.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 15, 2009 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions

Since these debates are all subjective anyway

there’s no real way to win. So your point is pointless.

by hozr on Apr 15, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions

So is yours

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 15, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions

You forgot

“but more of it” ;p

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 15, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions

Been giving that some thought

How about offering the Bucks or Bobcats our 2010 #1 ( top 10 protected, and top 5 protected in 2011 ) for their 2009 #1. Both team have a salary cap problem. The Bucks need to find a way to sign Charley V & Sessions. The Bobcats need to sign Felton. Signing their stars and their #1 pick might put them in Luxury Tax territory.

Cash might help too.

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by HighTops on Apr 15, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions

Very true

a couple of teams up against or over the cap might sell thier pick/trade for another year.

It Happened the last two years

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Apr 15, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions

I'll see if this sticks

Pick Griffin with the #1.

Trade Beno, the Houston pick and the 31st pick for Ty Lawson (whichever team picks him) and a scrub to fill out the transaction?

We can hope right?

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on Apr 14, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions

Beno only works if the receiving team has cap space.

Draft picks count for $0, but Beno’s contract means the trade doesn’t work without cap space.

The greatest likelihood is that we get a PG #1 ( if Rubio &/or Wall enter). There is probably only one chance to get Griffin, and that is with the #1 pick. But, depending who draws the #2 or #3 picks, Rubio could still be available even at #4. There are a lot of teams that might pass on Rubio if Thabeet & Wall are available. So, we could get Rubio at any of the first 4 picks, no matter where we end up.

Lawson is good, but there will be PG’s available even into our 2nd rounder. Plus the Kings will be able to pick up a quality player at the trade deadline using K9’s expiring contract, to fill any spots not improved by the draft. I don’t think Lawson is worth 2 draft picks and a backup PG.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Apr 15, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions