Early Tests Positive For Spencer Hawes
Ailene Voisin reports from Denver:
Hawes, who has a history with the left knee, having undergone microfracture surgery as a young teen and an arthroscopy in October 2007 to repair a meniscus tear, was slammed by Denver's Kenyon Martin as he prepared to throw down a dunk with 5:43 remaining in the first quarter. He is scheduled to return home for an MRI and further testing today by team physicians.
If his mood in the locker room afterward is any indication, however, the Kings might indeed have caught a break. He was smiling, nodding, occasionally laughing.
"Initially, I thought it was worse than it was," Hawes said after the loss before an announced crowd of 15,823 at the Pepsi Center. "It swelled up a little bit at first. … It was scary for a few minutes. But the Nuggets' doctor (Steve Traina) did the tests and said the structural stuff looked good. (The MRI is) more precautionary than anything. I think I'm lucky considering how I felt and how it looked."
Obviously, this has become the most important story of the week. Apologies to Ike Diogu.
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No apology needed to Ike
I had a feeling it wasn’t so bad afer reading the game recap on ESPN. Yeah, so Ike Diogu starts on Wednesday. And how would that be any different for this team than it has been for the first 81 games? What Martin did was dumb; but he did so trying to stop a layup. I’m just glad the Kings dodged a bullet (most likely) with this. If they haven’t completely dodged it, they have time for Spencer to rest.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Disagree
I guess Martin was trying to stop a layup, but it’s not like he was contesting it. Spencer was at full speed and extension in the air, and Martin simply shoved him. It’s the most dangerous way to foul someone in basketball, and it’s always called a flagrant so it doesn’t even save points. It’s completely careless at best and malicious at worst.
I always knew Kenyon Martin was an idiot, now I know he’s a jerk too.
I guess I gotta disagree with you
I don’t think even Hawes thought Martin was tryin to hurt him. Jeremy of Roundball Mining Company said the same thing in his own recap when Hawes slapped Martin on the butt. We’re just sensitive to this because Hawes’ knees are a sensitive issue with him, and because Hawes is an important part of this team, then well we don’t like it. But I would have been just as bothered if it happened to JT.
That being said, I’ve seen Hawes take bad spills and get up after them. I think some of this is just simply precaution.
And, for what it’s worth, I’m not going to excuse Martin for what he did.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hawes's history definitely contributes to my frustration
And I don’t think he was trying to hurt Hawes. But it also wasn’t a freak accident or a basketball play. He wasn’t protecting the rim. I know these things happen fast, but Kenyon Martin made the split-second decision to shove Hawes instead of letting him get the dunk. In my opinion it was stupid and careless.
Well we agree it was stupid & careless
But intention to harm someone else is a different thing altogether.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
When you have a medical test and it comes back positive
isn’t that usually a bad thing? That headline “Early tests positive …” scared the crap out of me.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Apr 14, 2009 6:33 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm really not that worried
Seeing it in real time hurt, but at the same time Kfan, it’s also nice he didn’t rush to get back out there. No reason not to if he wasn’t hurt, but there’s no reason to push him out there when he probably could benefit from the rest to end his season. Then he can get out there and work on his real issue’s over the summer once he’s 100%.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Of course
I wasn’t that worried after Webber’s injury either. So, this might show you what i know.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Agreed
Damnit TZ and your misleading headlines!
Spence has had a bad week.
Proud graduate of the "Derrick Zoolander center for kids who can't read good, and want to learn to do other stuff good too"
I don't think the year is going too swell for him either
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I saw "tests positive"
… and thought Hawes was going to be in for a four game suspension at the start of next year.
by Mystic on Apr 14, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
especially
after scanning down to the “smiling, nodding, occassionally laughing” part.
But I get the impression that Shawes is more likely to get caught with a shotgun beneath the seat of his truck than a plastic baggie.
Unless that pickup is in Sactown
I don’t think he has space to park it in his parents house in Seattle.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hope Hawes is okay real soon, but “Apologies to Ike Diogu, but this is the story of the week?” How lame can you get? What game did you watch? It is wrong, wrong, wrong, that it is so hard for you, the two main guys of this site, to see anything positive about last night, and Diogu’s last three games. He is getting more “props” from Denver and Portland sites. Are you just so beat down? Diogu wasn’t supposed to be “the one” to get 32, but he did- he worked his butt off. Sorry for you, if that effort and enthusiasm wasn’t worthy enough. I loved every minute of it. Adversity can and will drop you, but it is how you get up again that makes all the difference. It is “two” late to try and say anything positive now- just be content and wrong.
Who are you talking to?
What “two” main guys of this site? TZ, I get. But who is the other one? (And, with all due respect, how is TZ wrong?)
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm assuming the other main guy is me...
…but then I also think of myself as Obama’s co-president.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
by Holmdel on Apr 14, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL Holm
I don’t think Joe would mind.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
haha!
Nice.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Apr 14, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Lame
Diogu is nothing more than a journeyman player, who’s already made the rounds of the NBA in his young career. The guy has been a severe underachiever to this point.
Hawes is a potential key piece for this franchise down the road. I think the health of his knee is much more important than a “breakout” game for Diogu in the next to last game for a 16 win team.
Here's something else that one might want to keep in mind
The Clippers in 99-00 finished 15-67. The Bulls finished 15-67 in 00-01. (Those same teams had 17 wins the other had 15 too. The Nuggets also had 17 wins in 2002-03.) The Atlanta Hawks lost a whopping 13 games in the 04-05 season. So we’re talking about one of the worst 10 teams record wise in this past decade, and that Hawks team might be the 2nd or 3rd worst of all time. MIami also lost 15 games last year, but we all know why that happened.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Or the Hawks won a whopping 13 games that year
It’s hard to imagine a team losing 69 teams, but I suppose you could say that about a team losing 73 times too.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This is only Diogu's 4th year in the league, he's only averaged 12 minutes a game in 186 games
and he’s played well in the last 3 games. He played well last night, he was dominant, he played Nene tough, his foot work near the hoop was excellent and he showed why dubs picked him 9th in the lottery. His best game for the Kings was better than Spence’s best game for the King’s so far. The way he started last night was impressive and early signs were that maybe he was on his way to his best game before he got hurt. But as you say it was the second to last game for a 16 win team.
Does this make Spence expendable? No, all it means is that Diogu’s got game and if we could renounce him and still manage to resign him to a reasonable contract it’s something to think about.
This isn’t the last time in Spence’s career that he is going to have knee problems. He’s still 20, just about to turn 21 and he’s already had 5 surgeries including a microfracture surgery. All anybody is saying is that Ike had a heck of a game last night and it’s “possible” that if the price is right and we don’t draft Griffin he might be a good addition to the frontcourt.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
4th year in the league
And 5th team right? And this guy who clearly has a ton of talent can’t get off the bench for one of the worst teams in the league until just recently?
I agree with a lot of what you wrote and don’t mind having a solid backup plan in case Spencer’s knees betray him at some point, but I don’t know that Diogu is the answer. The guy certainly is skilled, but there’s a reason he can’t stick anywhere – my guess is there’s a “knucklehead” quotient here we aren’t fully aware of.
I’d love to be proven wrong though.
This is nonsense, mi714
The Kings have clinched the worst record in the League. The amount of points that one player scores in a single, meaningless loss will never be as important as another player’s long term health.
I guarantee that if you asked Ike Diogu right now what’s more important between his scoring a career high and Spencer’s health, he’d be smart enough to answer correctly.
Nobody’s taking away from Ike’s great performance of late. And we all want him to succeed. In fact, if you took a deep breath after reading the post, you might’ve noticed that TZ was going out of his way to mention Ike in a completely un-Ike-related story.
But if you still think that Ike’s night is more important than Hawes’s health, you should find yourself a Diogu message board. Because this is a Kings message board, and you’re obviously not a Kings fan.
I enjoyed Ike, too
But the knee injury to our 20-year-old starting center is more important to the Kings. Ike likely has one game left. If we’re lucky, Hawes has 1,000 Kings games left.
That's all?
You’re such a cynical old man.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Ike
Was fun to watch. I understand all the statements here discounting his performance, and the value of Spence going forward, but when did Spencer ever have 32 points and 11 rebounds?
now that is a juicy, provoctive question...
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
How many yrs has Ike been in the league?
and Spence?
Proud graduate of the "Derrick Zoolander center for kids who can't read good, and want to learn to do other stuff good too"
Hawes has already gotten more game minutes
3190 to 2272
For whatever thats worth.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 14, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong again- my fault. I thought this was a King’s fan’s website. I thought he had 32 points and ten rebounds against Denver. Thought he had a Kings uniform on. Thought you were irate about the effort against the Clips. Thought because you had already written him off in your infinite basketball wisdom that you and your tango partner would get mad. This isn’t so much about the Kings anymore, is it? This is your forum- enjoy!
Who the hell are you replying to?
They have this little button called “reply”. Live it, learn it, alas, use it. It’s even your best friend at times.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
My bad
You are right, sir.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Who wrote Diogu off?
What the Hades is your problem?
by Tom Ziller on Apr 14, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stupidity
It’s a pretty common affliction. And I resent the implication that I direct content on this site when I don’t.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I have a funny feeling...
…that if we click on “mi714”, we’ll find that his other favorite teams include “ASU Basketball”, “ASU Cheerleaders”, “Nigerian National Soccer Team”…
Ike, come clean, that’s you, isn’t it?
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
He wisely has posted nothing so far
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
But he did join on Feb 25th
And, well, it was 6 days after he was traded here. So you’re quite possibly right anyway.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
and his first fanpost
was about how Diogu could play at this level
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
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--Daisy Owl
More circumstantial evidence
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Please
scroll down to the comment where he suggests that Kevin Pritchard might log onto StR to “poison” the reputation of Diogu among Kings fans, coaches, etc.
Diogu not playing in Indiana told me what I needed to know on that front
Who needs a low post presence more than the Pacers?
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I would also point out
that if Ike wanted love, he should read BDL, and Dwyer’s account. He didn’t even mention Shawes knee injury even though he was perfectly aware of it.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I thought we only had eight players
under contract next year, so we could see Diogu come back to Sacramento. Doubtful though, I bet and hope that he AND McCants get a chance to play and exhibit their talents in the league whether it be Sacramento or not. Most basketball players are capable of playing well some of the time it is doing what Ike did on a consistent basis that makes a player great not a great game here and there. Fact is, if he can Rebound, Score and play decent positional defense then he has a place in this league. If not he probably will still get a contract this summer because he is a big-body.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Apr 14, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
re- wrote Diogu off
1. Pick a story that should have been mentioned more than just as a tag to another story. 2. Point out to the editor he was wrong not to write about it other than a “lame” reference to it. 3. Mention the word ‘master" and that someone will get “mad” if you disagree with them. Sit back and wait.
Observations:
Ziller- thought as editor you would attempt diplomacy, but you jumped right in. That surprised us.
Pookey reacted as predicted, but he comes with a warning label.
214- give you credit for the DeNiro- like handling of the vagueness.
Expected cursing, but predicted the group beat-down and the tactic of don’t attack the arguement, attack the man/men.
Got a predictable responses from the usual suspects.
Did not think so many would look up mi714.
Never expected someone would think it was Diogu.
Did expect more would have spoken up for Ike, but there were a couple.
Did expect to be corrected- he had 11 rebounds, not ten.
Was surprised by the guy who said this was a place for people of different backgrounds to have a discussion, and then called our viewpoint stupid.
What did we learn- On any given day, Ziller, you are better than that. We chose to read your work because the we wanted to know what was going on with this team in a way that isn’t being served by the “Bee” or the team’s website. We still think you, in your position as co-editor have a different level of responsibility. True, you are not responsible for most of the riff-raff, but this is your forum and you set the tone, and how low it goes. We still think you or 214 should have mentioned Diogu when he scored 13,8, and 32 -at least for his effort. We will continue to think of him as a King’s player as long as he wears the uniform, on the bench or otherwise. We will continue to consider ourselves King’s fans even though we are not true enough, or haven’t been around long to suit some.
I , myself, won nothing out of this experience. Others just bought beer. Sorry to Ike Diogu, if he gets judged by what we wrote. He didn’t pick us, either. Will we ever post again? Maybe, not.
To paraphrase Shakespeare -
This has been “much Diogu about nothing.”
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To paraphrase Curly Bill from Tombstone
“Bye.”
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It's amazing
How you “thought” so much, yet nothing productive resulted.
by otis29 on Apr 14, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Another classic Otis quote
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The question is, mi714 -

Which one of these lovely ladies are you?
I wouldn’t have asked, but as one of the “masters of this site” I felt compelled.
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by section214 on Apr 14, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
I hope this goes green Massah 214
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
oh man... so great!
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Apr 14, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I just never get tired of this photo
I hope we find a way to resign ID just so we can post it in every game thread.
Proud graduate of the "Derrick Zoolander center for kids who can't read good, and want to learn to do other stuff good too"
You made my day. Who knew ya could touch a nerve so easily. Extra points for all the research and effort. Still think Diogu is behind this? How many idiots does this village have?
How much is a whole idiot worth?
And how much do I get paid for defining a whole idiot?
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
It's hard to keep track of the number of idiots in this here village.
But I can say with certainty the number increased by one on 2/25/09.
It takes an entire village to raise an idiot...
…or something like that.
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Can an entire village stop an idiot to death?
Metaphorically, and possibly, physically?
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I said it on the other thread
Bjax wondered out loud weeks ago why Diogu wasn’t getting more minutes as he had been tearing it up in practice.
Maybe we were hiding him(?) or maybe he was just Natted by the coach.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
Ike had a nice game
Check that – he had a great game.
That said, he has yet to eclipse 8 ppg or 4 rpg for any NBA season.
Perspective.
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No doubt
no doubt, I never said he was the second coming of anyone – just wondered about Bjax’s comment – - which I heard him repeat tonight on the radio. He said Diogu had been ‘tearing up’ JT and hawes in practice and thought it should have earned him some minutes and didn’t know why they hadn’t come. If it was because he was an ass or something I don’t think Bobby says that.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 14, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Diogu would have interested me down the stretch
as an alternative to the dreaded and ineffective “small ball.” On the other hand, any minutes for Ike would have been minutes taken from Donté. As Ike is not the future, I’m not sure that would have set well with me.
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I get that
But I think its Noce that has been taking Donte’s minutes – and I’m not convinced yet that Donte’ is the future. We need options man.
and at the right price…..(?)
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 14, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Jason Thompson played 40 mins
Had a +/- of 6. Diogu had a +/ of -25 in 41 mins. Diogu can score, and board yeah, but does it mean anythin? Boxscore
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

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