Super Happy Fun Poll
by section214 on Apr 18, 2009 7:05 PM PDT
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At this point
If someone else outbids us and he turns into a monster for them, I’m willing to live with that.
by Deleran on Apr 18, 2009 7:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I say it depends
It depends on if the Kings end up with Blake Griffin or not. I’m sorry, 2 strong games does not warrant a big contract. He might be worth a flier if we don’t end up with Griffin, though.
by CloudyEyes on Apr 18, 2009 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted 2 years $5 million
I’d have no problem with signing him for $2.5 mil a year. If he can come off the bench behind Shock and Hawes and play as well as he has then I’d love to keep him. Then we’d have an incredibly solid front court and can focus on drafting a little Spaniard.
However, it’s a big if that he’ll play that well. His effort and conditioning have been questioned since he’s been in the league.
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by vfettke on Apr 18, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2 yes $5m
And if he beats out Shock I would make him the starter. A good coach looks at who is playing the best in practice and gives them the opportunity to succeed in the game. If Ike really was kicking butt on S&H in practice, Natt is a fool for not giving him more playing time until the end of the season. But wait, that’s already a given.
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by SavageBeast on Apr 18, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 year $2 million
That is if we don’t get Griffin. Wouldn’t mind a team option for a second year.
by rc360 on Apr 18, 2009 7:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2 yr 5 mil, but only if we’re not drafting Blake of course. but really I ’d rather invest that money into cyborg prosthetic ankles for K-mart, and a knee for Hawes
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by joeytothelimit on Apr 18, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Ike Diogu's tears cure cancer...
…too bad he never cries.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Apr 18, 2009 8:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yah
No contract offers until after the draft. I wanna see all 3 picks before making any other offers.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Apr 18, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
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by SavageBeast on Apr 18, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 years 5 million
with a bonus throw at the Kenny Natt Dunk tank
by Aykis16 on Apr 18, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2 years 5 mil
I’d like to request a Playoffs open thread. I have no interest in joining another blog and I want some place to post that I really want Rick Adelman to get some props and I love that Yao is coming up big. Special added bonus if the Rockets win of hopefully shutting up those annoying Blazer fans for one day at least. Oh, and the Rockets finally getting out of the 1st round would be great especially if it’s done without McGrady.
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by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2009 8:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That'd be even more proof othe Ewing Theory
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by vfettke on Apr 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And wow, How about those Bulls
Noah, 17 boards and Rose with 36 and 11. Wonder if Miller will try to make him wear a Hello Kitty backpack until he’s played 82 pro games next season?
At least the former Kings tried. Salmons and Miller a combined 8 for 27 for 16 points. Yikes. They did have 18 boards and 1 assist though.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should add that my rooting for the Rockets really surprises me
especially considering my dislike of Ron Artest, and that I like Portland as a city. One of 3-4 places I’d live if I moved back to the states(and Sac is not one of those, too damn hot), and that I liked the Blazers before this season. Guess Annoying Blazer fans invading our site > my dislike of Artest as a person.
Of note: Blazers losing but Roy torching Artest, made me really happy.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Rockets might be the worst matchup possible for the Blazers.
Outside of the Lakers.
by Deleran on Apr 18, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say we use this thread
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the game might already be over.
by Deleran on Apr 18, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, looking like it.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
This thread has a good topic. Start a fanshot or fanpost. Don’t ruin the discussion in this topic.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Apr 18, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the topic at hand is actually about as close to a consensus as you're gonna get on this site.
Pretty much: Only throw money at Diogu if we don’t get the #1 pick, and even then don’t throw that much at him.
by Deleran on Apr 18, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That said, there should be a seperate thread for the playoffs.
If only for neatness concerns.
by Deleran on Apr 18, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
like you said, game is almost over
will limit the posts, so as not to hi-jack this tread too much. Kind of late for a separate thread at this point. Should be one for tomorrow though.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed Please keep on topic.
While Deleran has a point in that most of us agree we should wait for the draft, I differ in opinion of how much we should offer. I voted 2 yrs 8 mil. This guy has the talent and has showed he has some polished post moves. At this point the kings should take a chance at this guy. Besides 2 years does not kill us and lets be frank, is there really anyone on the market worth more for the price we are willing to invest?
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
by kangsfan on Apr 18, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 million extra on the books could be the difference between
being able to pick up a good FA in ’10 and being stuck trying to put a sign and trade together.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but with all the teams clearing space for next summer, could we really expect to land a big name?
I think we need to face the fact that the Kings are going to have to build a quality team through the draft and a few sleepers. Petrie definitely has his work cut out for him. If we can get a really solid core together, then we may be able to land a big FA to push us over the top but I really don’t see that happening by next summer.
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
by kangsfan on Apr 18, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We probably won't have a shot at the LeBron's or the Bosh's
but we could get a next tier guy. Someone like a Redd, Jefferson, or a Ford. And that’s what we should be looking for, a FA to fill in the holes that’ll get us into the playoffs in ‘10-’11 and contribute as we move up the ladder.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want
A jefferson or a ford. Redd < K-Mart.
I’d want Amare, but I don’t think we could lure him. I agree with Kangsfan. I doubt our ability to get a good FA, so if GP puts 2 years 7-8 mill into Ike, I’ll live.
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by killerking on Apr 19, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think 4 million a year might have made sense before the economic downturn,
but that looks like too much money right now. I’d rather just have the cap space to accept salary dumps.
by Deleran on Apr 18, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 fouls on Pryzbilla
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2009 9:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
4 on Yao now
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Apr 18, 2009 9:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I see 2 votes for "5 years, $30 million"
The one is Petrie, who’s the other?
by ZenBaller on Apr 19, 2009 2:01 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Voted 2 years 5 million
But the second year HAS to be a team option. If he proves to be a solid backup you pick it up, is not you let him and the hot tub girls go.
As much as we make fun of him (and I will continue to) I wish him well and hope he can help this team get better. At the right price, I don’t even care if he was the 4thbig off the bench for this team
by eduardo_m7 on Apr 19, 2009 2:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Voted 1 for $4M
He’s in the 4th yr of his rookie contract. If we make the QO of $3.9M for one yr, he remains a RFA and we retain the right of 1st refusal, to all other offers. If he doesn’t work out, it will be cheaper than a 2yr contract, and it won’t affect our 2010 cap space.
If he works out we can renegotiate his contract later, or use him as a filler at the trade deadline. Either way the money is going to affect our 09 cap space, and we’re not getting anyone as good, for any less money.
Of course, if we draft Griffin, we won’t need him as much and can make a minimum bid.
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by HighTops on Apr 19, 2009 3:22 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
HT FTW
I was in the 2 year ($5M) camp but your logic is unrefutable. It is an automatic team option, it gives the guy big incentive to produce for an even bigger payout in the FA market and can be resolved with money off the books in 2010 making him a valuable trade chip (as you point out).
The only question I ask is: why did Petrie and the Maloofs hire Levien – were you not available?
by betweentheeyes on Apr 19, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone ever thought...
that Ike played well because he was in his contract year? Just because he had two breakout games doesn’t mean he is actually worth a single dime. All Kings fans, let us not forget the dreaded signing of Udrih just because he played well in his contract year! It is all about economics for these guys, and for Ike this was about survival, he had to play well in his last few games or he for sure was headed to the NBDL.
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by Sac King on Apr 19, 2009 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna take a guess and say that
Has anyone ever thought that Ike played well because he was in his contract year? Just because he had two breakout games doesn’t mean he is actually worth a single dime
you don’t hang out here a lot
by eduardo_m7 on Apr 19, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you ever buy a used car? How many times did you test drive it?
Ike performed well because he has & showed the skills to perform well. If he has the skills and can perform them in a game then he is worth something. How much is a matter of opinion. And, will be determined by the negotiations between the buyer and the seller.
Once you know that the player can perform the skills that you need (score & rebound) the only reason not to make an offer, is if the player has soon a history of not working hard. And, that’s not the case with Ike. Natt said he stayed in shape even though he wasn’t getting PT. His game at Denvers high altitude should be proof of that. And, if that’s not enough, you can take Bjax’s word that Ike was killing everyone in practice.
Has the skill, works hard, performed at the most critical time of his career. I’ll buy that.
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by HighTops on Apr 19, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Udrih did the same thing
Did he deserve a long term deal?
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by Sac King on Apr 19, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but then no one is suggesting a long term deal for Ike
If you read my post above, I suggested a 1 yrs deal, most suggest a 2 yr deal at 1/7th of what Beno got.
Ignore the point that we need to fill 2 roster spots and 1 rotation spot with bigs. Now, go and find me a qualified player for under $5M.
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by HighTops on Apr 19, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How bout
Demarcus Nelson? Petrie needs to go.
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by Sac King on Apr 19, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does Petrie have to do with Nelson?
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by section214 on Apr 19, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking for bench warmers that will work hard and have talent
Nelson is now on the Bulls after clearing the waivers. I mean has Petrie ever really picked up a young player that wasn’t drafted? How did he miss Morrow or Azuibuike?
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by Sac King on Apr 19, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many other teams
Missed those guys? And I don’t think either one is that great. More like your run of the mill NellieBall players.
by misterbrister on Apr 20, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And one more thing
Im not suggesting Diogu would be a horrible bench player, I just hate to see the Kings management continue to spend money on guys that are unproven. Yes Diogu had two stellar performances, so did Douby at one point in his Sac career…
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by Sac King on Apr 19, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So wait a minute...
In previous posts, you say that Petrie needs to go because he doesn’t sign any quality undrafted talent (such as Morrow or Azubuike).
Yet here, you reproach him for spending money on guys that are unproven. So I guess the solution is only take fliers on guys that you can quickly cut? And hopefully you can figure out in the couple weeks of training camp whether a guy is worth it or not? Sounds like a slim margin…
by misterbrister on Apr 20, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spending money as in multimillion dollar contracts
Morrow and Azuibuike were originally signed to 10 day contracts before they were picked up for the season. When is the last time the Kings signed someone to a 10 day contract to see if they are proven? Not every contract has to be like Diogu’s, guys will play and practice for little (in the scheme of things) to get an oppurtunity to play at the next level. Typically while in rebuiliding mode one would see more younger talent from the NBDL on the roster, guys that are just itching at the chance to play in the NBA, that would work twice as hard as some of the current Kings on the roster. There were zero on this years roster.
I think in the first weeks of training camp you can get a great feel for who is going to work hard and who can contribute to your team. Its just like good old high school basketball tryouts. You have an oppurtunity to make an impression on the coaching staff, those that show promise make the cut.
And last, Morrow and Azubuike had never been given the oppurtunity to play in the NBA, Diogu has been on 3(?) teams in his NBA career and has done little. There is a big difference between guys like Diogu and Morrow. One of which is NBA experience and the chance to prove your worth. Ike has had a 6 year tryout session and nothing to show, and mark my words Petrie will sign him to a long term deal. Spending money for ten day contracts, or the league mininum which I believe is 375,000, is much more affordable and smart than locking someone down for a long term deal, that will ultimatley be untradeable.
Bottom line- Ike Diogu is unproven even when presented with multiple oppurtunities. Morrow and Azuibuike were unproven but this was their first oppurtunity.
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by Sac King on Apr 20, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never crossed my mind
and who is this Udrih guy?
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
by kangsfan on Apr 19, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who the Kings test drove for a year and approved of
with NO point guards going into the 2008-09 season and with no other better prospects available, who was also sought after and offered the MLE by another team.
If, in beautful technicolor, high definition, 1080P hindsight, you, the GM of the Kings passed on this years’ Beno Udrih, exactly whom would you have used as your starting PG at the start of the season?
A) Sean Singletary – your second round pick
B) Bobby Brown – Cal-State Fullerton, Mark Stein favorite, fresh from Summer League
C) Tyronne Lue
D) We don’t need no stinkin’ point guards. Quarterbacking a basketball team is a mixed metaphor that is totally over-rated. Cisco can do it all.
E) puh-lease could you give it a rest already? Beno disappointed and it was a bad contract.
by betweentheeyes on Apr 19, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...I don't know Tyus Edney?
BTW I was being sarcastic about Sac King’s comment
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
by kangsfan on Apr 19, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps we save the money
and sign a guy like Marcus Williams, Anthony Morrow, or even Shaun Livingston, at least these guys have more potential than Udrih.
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by Sac King on Apr 19, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Potential for what?
Jail time? Injuries?
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by section214 on Apr 19, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious!
I would rather take an injured Livingston over Udrih though, at least his turnover to assist ratio wouldn’t suck…
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by Sac King on Apr 19, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
You can’t turn the ball over when you’re hurt.
There are roughly two dozen PG’s that are better than Udrih. Williams, Livingston and Morrow are not three of them.
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by section214 on Apr 20, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just out of curiousity
How many of those two dozen come off the bench?
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by Sac King on Apr 20, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does that matter?
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by section214 on Apr 20, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need to factor in the opposition as well
A Nuggets team already locked into its playoff position, and a horrible Minnesota team.
I said, 1 year, $2 million but I would be cool with a team option for year 2.
by otis29 on Apr 20, 2009 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a one year can work....
that’s the best. With 2010 coming up, he’ll be at least be a valuable trade asset if he sucks during the season.
by sdfd on Apr 20, 2009 2:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Max contract
Length and dollars. Because Ike’s 2 game performance down the stretch way overrides the remainder of his career.
I think a billboard offering to mow his lawn is in order as well.
by otis29 on Apr 20, 2009 2:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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