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When this kid realizes he’s not good enough to play in the NBA and a euro team is fed up with his immaturity were will he be?

by shadowchicken on Apr 23, 2009 9:29 AM PDT reply actions  

If

… He’s not good enough for the NBA , he goes to college later just to get a degree. As far as to immature for a Euro team, if he was French he would have been a pro already and everyone would be slobbering all over him by now.

We live in a country where an 18 ear old man – who has all the rights of a citizen and the responsibility of defending the country – can’t pursue his chosen profession. But, it is perfectly fine for a 14 year old girl to become a professional tennis player.

by Mystic on Apr 23, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Absolutely!

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by otis29 on Apr 23, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I like the new signiture Otis.

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by killerking on Apr 24, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me too

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by pookeyguru on Apr 24, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not the first one I've liked of his either

He had a cool statement his daughter made once. (Well, it was funny anyway.)

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by pookeyguru on Apr 24, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now that I think about,

If I am correct, an 18 year-old International player can enter the draft no questions asked. But, an American player of the same age must be one-year removed from high school. I wonder wh nobody has challenged this is discrimination based on nationality?

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by PhutureKings on Apr 23, 2009 9:37 AM PDT reply actions  

The age rule is just ridiculous

Go Here

That’s a list of players who came straight out of high school. A large majority of them have been very successful in the NBA. It makes no sense that a player can’t come straight from high school

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Apr 23, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Actually

Go Here

You will find that that the complete list includes many players that have been quite unsuccessful in the NBA. You’ll also notice that from 1947-2000 only 15 players (nearly all of whom became good or great NBA players) came straight from high school. But from 2000-2005, 29 players made the jump. And guess what? The quality of the players making the jump plummeted.

The NBA made this rule to combat a specific problem: Robert Swift. That is, crappy players who dominated high school because of freak athleticism or size taking up space and money on an NBA roster to learn things that they should’ve learned on a level at which they were ready to compete.

The problem isn’t the rule. It’s that we haven’t found a way to fairly compensate 18-22 year-old men who have enough talent to entertain large audiences, but lack the polish and/or physical development to contribute quality play in the NBA.

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

The quality went down

but a large number of those guys from 2000 on, while not superstars like KG or Kobe, have had decent NBA careers. Going to college might not have changed that all too much

I do agree that most guys should go to college, but certain players definitely have the talent to make the jump straight from high school and they should be allowed to do so. How much more are they learning when they do a one and done than if they were to just go straight to the NBA?

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by vfettke on Apr 23, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Happy for the kid

And he’s going to make everyone who crows about the NCAA being this wonderful source of talent for the NBA shut the fuck up. As if LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Jermaine O’Neal, Tracy McGrady, Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett, Monta Ellis, Louis Williams, Amare Stoudemire didn’t have enough to say about that already.

Personally, I don’t blame the kid, and applaud him for doing this. If I could have dropped outta HS (and I almost did), and made a million and half bucks doing it, it’s a no brainer. High School in the US is a joke. So is college really. In terms of education anyway.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 23, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

College is only a joke for guys with this type of athletic talent

When you’re good at something, you’re good at something. Forcing college on somebody isn’t going to help them, especially when a lot of these athletes don’t necessarily have “book smarts.” This doesn’t mean they aren’t intelligent, but different people are smart in different ways. So forcing a guy with whose not all that bright, but who has a great basketball IQ is kind of unfair.

I enjoy listening to Dan Patrick and he constantly argues that this one and done thing in college isn’t good for anybody and that players should get to go straight out of high school or have to commit to two years in college. I kind of agree.

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by vfettke on Apr 23, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with Patrick's argument.

I don’t think college is a joke, though. I was smart before I went to college, not because I went to college. However, I am far less ignorant than before I went to college. I believe that college (along w/ my military service) has made me a better decision-maker, stronger leader, more confident, and has taught me invaluable truths about life in general. Now, maybe it’s bcause I’ve gone to very good schools that this is my experience, but even starting out at Sac City for my first two years, I learned a lot more about economics, science and writing than I otherwise would have. Knowledge is power and I think that the more education a person has, the better they will do in life. Also, it’s helpful to get a real education in order to dispell so many of the myths and lies in our history and society.

Not to mention, there are hot college chicks in college.

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by PhutureKings on Apr 23, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

it’s helpful to get a real education in order to dispell so many of the myths and lies in our history and society.

I agree a real education dispells our society’s myth that college is necessary. For context this is coming from a UCD dropout who has received both 4.0s and 0.0s while attending. And i can tell you ive learned more about this world from Kurt Vonnegut and Howard Zinn than from anything ever taught in a lecture hall.
Im stoked for the kid even if he doesnt make the nba, Its like a giant middle finger to the system and its glorious.

by passionforPERPS on Apr 23, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

UCD-University of California Davis

even if Using Cannabis Daily is more applicable, in fact im still enrolled in that school.

by passionforPERPS on Apr 23, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

As far as you're concerned

you made the right decision. These guys all need to make the right decision for themselves. For example, Stephen Curry has raised his stock quite a bit. He garnered attention last year in the tourny and lit teams up all of this year. Playing his junior year was the right thing to do. His senior year? It may or may not be a good idea. No one knows, but everyone pretends like they do.

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by vfettke on Apr 23, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or LeBron

Fact is, college is not for everyone. Neither is the NBA. It’s a free country, right? Right? Let the kid do what he wants. It’s his life, and he will have to live with the pro’s and con’s of his decision.

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by section214 on Apr 23, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right!

And if the kid thinks that being a teenage millionaire playing basketball in Europe for a year or two is unfair, then he can just go right ahead and fuck himself.

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Make these GMs work

It seems the NBA rule is intended to prevent the individual teams from looking stupid if drafting a high school kid doesn’t work out. Taking a high school player is risky business, and that should be reflected in that player’s draft position.

But forcing them to go to college is asinine (and un-American) IMO.

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by otis29 on Apr 23, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

Exactly (and rec'd)

The rule is not in place to protect the kid – it is in place to protect the NBA product and the coffers of the owners.

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by section214 on Apr 23, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly (though not rec'd)

It would be a bad rule if it said that the kid must go to an American university for at least one year. But it doesn’t. It just protects franchises and fans from having to suffer through a Martell Webster for every Monta Ellis (who – let’s face it – probably could use a little more humility/maturity).

It’s not as if NBA fans will enjoy Derrick Rose’s career less because he spent a year at Memphis.

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly (and rec'd)

They scout some youngsters to get a long-term charting of skills and abilities. I think it is better off to have an 18 year old age limit.

by mayfieldcol on Apr 23, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's also designed to protect the NCAA coffers too

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by pookeyguru on Apr 23, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody

is forcing them to go to college. They can do anything they want for that year.

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

So to recap

a kid can go right from high school to the armed forces, sign an MLB contract, dig ditches, go to work for his old man. Heck, he’s free to do damn near whatever his skill set will allow him to do…except play in the NBA. I get it. I just don’t like it.

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by section214 on Apr 23, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't pour a beer

or run for Senate either.

It’s not fair, but it is logical.

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Logical if you own an NBA franchise, perhaps

As a fan, I would have no issue with the Kings having to weigh the pro’s and con’s of using their pick on a high school senior. Yeah, the next guy could be Kwame Brown. Or he could be Kobe or LeBron.

Wouldn’t it be great if the rule didn’t exist, John Wall freely commits, and the Kings are now looking at Griffin, Rubio or Wall if they land in the top 3?

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by section214 on Apr 23, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess so

But what if the Kings get the #1 pick this year and take Griffin, then get the #1 pick next year and take Wall? Then the rule helps us.

It’s an unlikely example, but the point is that the rule both negatively affects and positively benefits every team equally.

It may seem arbitrary, but 18 is an arbitrary number to make someone an adult, too. And if it’s the one year removed from HS part that bothers you, well there are plenty of professions that I don’t mind requiring a qualification beyond adulthood (medical, legal, etc.)

As I said above, I think the true problem is that college players generate millions in revenue and don’t get to see a cent (within the rules), and the NBA doesn’t have a good minor league system the way that the MLB and most Euro pro sports do.

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not logical either

I could be deemed old enough to be in the desert all day shooting at (and being shot at by) terrorists, but I couldn’t drink a beer at the end of the day. That’s not logical.

You’re either an adult or you’re not. And you’re either qualified to be an NBA player or your not. That should be the logic.

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by otis29 on Apr 23, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

that it’s not logical to allow 18 year olds to be drafted, but not allow them to drink. At the same time, I’m sure 214 and the other parents of HS-aged kids wouldn’t like the drinking age reduced to 18, since that would mean that many HS seniors and some juniors could legally drink.

Personally, I think you’re absolutely wrong to say that you’re either an adult or not. It isn’t black-and-white. I didn’t wake up a different person on the day I turned 18 (I just had a gnarly hangover).

I just don’t understand who this rule hurts. If the kid needs money to feed his family, he can play in one of the many other pro leagues that aren’t the NBA. I don’t care that I’m only getting 17 years of Kevin Durant in the NBA instead of 18.

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Legally

You are either an adult or you’re not. I know many 25 year olds who can barely get themselves dressed in the morning…and I know some 18 year olds I would hire to work for me in a heartbeat. But both of those people are considered an adult in this country. Yes, there are variances on anyone’s maturity level at the age of 18, but the NBA rule isn’t exactly weeding out the knuckleheads or immature players (hello Donté Greene).

You asked who this rule hurts – it hurts the player who is 18 and may already be of NBA caliber. Why should they have to either go live in a foreign country or feign interest in going to college for a year if they are just as capable of filling a roster spot as the Quincy Douby’s of the world? As long as they are better right now than the 15th man on the roster of the worst team in the league, then they should have a chance to play in the NBA.

No offense, because I normally find myself agreeing with you on a regular basis – but I find your arguments in favor of the rule ludicrous.

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by otis29 on Apr 23, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's okay

I think your position is totally valid. But it’s important to remember that we’re not talking about U.S. law; we’re talking about a proprietary rule created by the NBA and agreed to by the players to address what the league saw as a real problem.

You ask

Why should they have to either go live in a foreign country or feign interest in going to college for a year if they are just as capable of filling a roster spot as the Quincy Douby’s of the world?
The answer is that the league and its players believe that prospective players should have to prove themselves against better competition than highschool can provide.

Playing in the NBA isn’t an unalienable right like freedom of speech. We all have to jump through hoops in life, and any player who’s talented enough to help a team shouldn’t have any problem at all jumping through this one.

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand

That we are talking about a proprietary rule. And in no way am I saying that the NBA doesn’t have the right to dictate those rules. I’m just saying I think it’s stupid. :)

You say “the league and it’s players”. Are you sure the players really feel this way as well? I find most athletes support their fellow players in getting what they can get.

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by otis29 on Apr 23, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can certainly sympathize with

the opinion that an NBA rule is stupid (leaving the bench rule, no review of shot clock violations in the final minutes, etc.)

And I just mean that the players agree legally as members of the Players Association and adherents to the CBA. I don’t know their hearts and minds. But I bet the Kevin Ollies of the league don’t have a lot of sympathy for the case of John Wall (who is, of course, not a member of the union).

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

how is that logical

have you ever looked at adolescent drinking statistics of various nations? The ones that have younger drinking ages always have less alcohol poisoning incidents. And why is it logical that an 18 year old cannot run for senate? There is ample historical evidence to suggest youth is not as big of a detriment as stupidity or arrogance. Wheres the logic, show it to me please.

by passionforPERPS on Apr 23, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Totally agree on the drinking issue - the data is there

But you are going to need a Constitutional Amendment to deal with the other. Don’t see that happening.

BTW, isn’t the min age for the Senate 30? Pres is 35 but I think the Senate is 30 and the House 25.

by Kusian on Apr 23, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly

I don’t have a problem with “underage” drinking. But I do think that the issue is slightly different in America than it is in countries where highschool-age drinking is legal due to the amount that American teens drive (and kill themselves doing so).

I’m 23 now, started drinking on weekends when I was fourteen, got my driver’s license the day I turned 16, went to a party school, and I’m fine. I’m not a moralist in any way. But I do think it’s dangerous to add alcohol to the equation of teenage driving.

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

If teenage driving is such an issue

Than perhaps they shouldn’t drink. That’s such a pointless copout.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 23, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Drinking and Driving AT ALL

Is reckless. I don’t care how much or how little. If you’re not coherant, you shouldn’t be behind a one-ton weapon.

Call me what you will, but I just don’t see the appeal in alcohol anyway. First of all, I think that most things that you can say, “If I do this too much it will kill me” or “Doing this kills me slowly, but sooner than I would have initially.”

Seriously, drinking something that’s an aquired taste just so you can act less intelligent? No thanks.

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by killerking on Apr 24, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I do this too much it will kill me

Why are you living, you do it too much you eventually die. Woman at the END drank too much water and died, suppose you should avoid it too. And its not to act less intelligent its to bring yourself to level of the masses, your level.

by passionforPERPS on Apr 24, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

No offense homey cuz I hold you no ill will

But I have drank & drive, and I can say it’s stupid beyond belief. I can say I’m lucky that noone I know has killed anyone, and other than driving people who did get DUI’s around (some of them lost their license and took cabs instead everywhere), I can say that I won’t drink & drive anymore. Most of that was done when I was 21-22 yrs old, and hell, I was still wary of it then.

My point is that restricting an American kid at 16 right to drink because they have more access to a motor vehicle is a cop-out. Either they drink responsibly, and are held to the same strict standard that adults are, or they aren’t. I can be pulled over for a DUI 5 minutes from now. I won’t be, because A I’m not drinking this morning (I did have beer yesterday), and B I don’t have a car. Makes it easy to not drink & drive.

It’s not about acting less intelligent. For some people it’s about being social and having fun. It’s the same element that drives people to go to strip clubs. I’ve only been to a few strip clubs, and only liked one stripper. And I’m not going back to Hawaii to see if she’s on the pole (And diving down it head first no less). (No, I’m not kidding.) It is what it is. I don’t agree with people who drink & drive. I didn’t say it was right. Drinking & driving is a serious issue. A 19 year old kid wanting to play in the NBA and believing he would be good enough (along with NBA teams) is okay by me. It’s a mutual decision.

People who act stupid when they drink are probably pretty stupid when they don’t drink, IMO. You would know if I was drunk, yeah. You would have a much harder time getting me to talk though. I hate slurring my words. I’m done with this topic. It’s inane for me to argue this with anybody, let alone with somebody who hasn’t experienced it, doesn’t believe in it because of their religion, OR lived long enough to see the real effects. Not knocking you Kking. Not your fault your young. Everyone is at some point.

And the idea that a kid can go to war, but not drink responsibly, is, and always will be, a stunning indictment of how hypocritical and full of shit this system ultimately is.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 24, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

:)

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by killerking on Apr 24, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be clear

It doesn’t take someone whose drunk to undersand why it’s important to drink & drive. If you don’t understand that period, you probably need a little bit of help. My point is that it’s far more important that drinkers understand that fact because, after all, they are the one’s who drinking.

I do acknowledge the fact that it’s a safety risk, but so is driving a car. I won’t take it beyond that. Anybody who tells me that driving a car isn’t inherent or dangerous probably is more full of shit than a porta-potty.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 24, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

why it's important NOT to drink & drive^

Typos. Grrrr.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 24, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

It makes the sex better

You can thank me later.

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by otis29 on Apr 24, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not advocating for teens drinking and driving

I’m just saying that if a drinking age of 21 saves lives, I can live with the hypocrisy of allowing 18 year olds to die at war, but not drink a beer.

by furious.d on Apr 24, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

i agree with you

but just to be a cynic if you eliminate signing bonuses Webber made more money at Michigan than any minor leaguer i can think of.

by passionforPERPS on Apr 23, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand your frustration section214, but I will have to say that professional sports is a profession. Just as a professional career requires a college degree so should professional sports require a college education. I see it as a rite of passage. It keeps the sport at a professional and mature level…in hopes at least. Kids look up to these athletes as role models, I sure don’t want them to be admiring a pro who’s really a con (I know it’s lame).

by cyborg23 on Apr 23, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bingo, and rec'd

the system should reward GMs (and teams who hire them) who are good at their jobs and punish ones who are bad. Obviously injuries, luck, etc are a factor, but at the end of the day, the rule smells like the NBA and NCAA covering each others asses.

I’ve gone back and forth on this issue several times, and may change my mind yet. But I’m happy to see this kid give it a shot, throwing another wrench in the system.

by LPKingsFan on Apr 23, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's a conspiracty between NBA and NCAA

I bet that if these kids agreed to play one year in the NBA for free, the NBA would be happy to change the rule (though the NBAPA probably wouldn’t be happy).

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

What the fuck!?!?!?!

theres nothing else to say, so we’ll say it again, What the fuck(shaking my head).

by passionforPERPS on Apr 23, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry to disappoint you

The rule just makes sense to me. Obviously I’m alone and my arguments aren’t changing opinions. So you win.

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its just that

a college basketball scholarship usually include housing, food from the Dining Commons or Cafeteria, and often times jobs that you dont have to show up to but pay well. Further the college season is what, 40 games compared to 82 in the NBA? Who would play 82 games without compensation, while probably being undersized and ergo injury prone. Who would ever agree to the 82 game season for no pay when a cushy life at college, where you are idolized and at least taken care of, is the alternate route.

by passionforPERPS on Apr 23, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

So, change the rule to this:

If you’re coming straight from high-school, you’re rookie contract is one year, with team option for after that.

If you’re coming from college, you get the traditional deal.

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by PhutureKings on Apr 23, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

So then it becomes an incentive to enter out of hs

because the second contract is bigger than the first, its why going in the second round is good if you turn out to be Gil Arenas or whoever else you wanna name.

by passionforPERPS on Apr 23, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He did say it would be a 'team option'.

I assume he meant for more than one year – as in a non-guaranteed contract that is the same length as a traditional rookie deal?

by cabz on Apr 23, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

that works better

its just i had never heard or thought of multi year options.

by passionforPERPS on Apr 23, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

every first round rookie contract

has multi-year options under the current CBA

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

i just looked it up

and your basically right, but its not a multi year option, its 2 one year options that are available, but i still dont agree with the original premise of an unpaid rookie year. But guaranteeing a years pay with 2 or 3 one year options that follow seems at least more fair than whats going on right now.

by passionforPERPS on Apr 23, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's a good idea either

I was just trying to prove a point.

And I agree that a team option after the first year for the players that are currently not allowed (ie under 19 and/or less than one year removed from HS) is a good idea.

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then the players should choose to go to college

I’m not saying that unpaid NBA players will ever happen. It won’t

I’m just saying that the NBA has absolutely no interest in improving the NCAA’s product. The NBA is just trying to cover its own ass. Read the post I was responding to.

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I didn't make my point clear

I’ll try again: The NCAA wants all players to go all four years. The NBA wants all players who are NBA ready, including those with college eligibility. The NBA can get a better idea of what players are NBA ready (without having to pay them multi-year guaranteed contracts) by forcing them to play one year against top non-NBA competition (i.e. college, EuroLeague). Therefore, the NBA and NCAA have drastically different interests. Therefore, it doesn’t make sense to suggest that they are “covering each others asses.”

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

we're cool

and i understood that point, you made it clearly in the bold comment header part, it was just that unpaid rookie year stuff that followed.

But that point can be argued. A guy like ty lawson is much more of a household name than say Brandon Jennings which allows for more immediate marketability even though he isnt considered the same caliber prospect. And you know how the NBA loves their commercials, so its all debatable but i just feel we should all have personal sovereignty and self determination.
Just imagine if bball ever gets huge in Latin America…they usually fudge to make them younger but it would be different story altogether in the NBA.

by passionforPERPS on Apr 23, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you don't think this is about the NBA and NCAA making more money

You’re more blind than stupid. And that’s where I leave this debate.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 23, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

What the fuck!?!?!?

theres nothing else to say, so we’ll say it again, What the fuck(shaking my head)

by passionforPERPS on Apr 23, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions  

By the way

I didn’t even read this article. I just jumped right in and started pulling opinions out of my ass. Sorry LPKingsFan

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Kid is 6'-11" and 260 pounds

A little real competition will likely help his development. Sounds like the wise move to me.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Apr 23, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Definitely

For a kid that size who’s not intelectually interested in college, why not?

Though you do have to pray for his knees and ankles.

by furious.d on Apr 23, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

What are you talking about,

you pray for the college players’ knees and ankles. He’ll be a pro, making money, allowing him to get an education or even start a business should his body give out.

by passionforPERPS on Apr 29, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

At the end of the day

Is it really so bad that a kid has to go to a foreign country like Spain (which many people would like to visit or live in just for the experience) so that he could get better at his craft and make a great living while doing so? The NBA rule is what it is, and this seems to be the way around it. No problems with the move and no problems with the fact that he has to do it. It sucks when someone has to relocate to work but it happens, same thing here. Except hes going to make a lot more money then the average person.

by jstnblke41 on Apr 23, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

You know what's funny tho...

I heard on the radio today that his high school team went 15-11 this year.
Sounds like he is REALLLY dominating the competition.
(Although the said they hadn’t fact checked that info, so it may be wrong)

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Apr 23, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Fact checked it myself

Team did in fact go 15-11, finished 3rd in their league. He averaged 28 ppg.

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Apr 23, 2009 7:41 PM PDT reply actions  

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