"With the fourth pick of the 2009 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select..."
As it pertains to the 2009 NBA draft, the consensus (agh…the “C” word!) around StR is that if we don’t get a top two pick, we’re basically screwed. It’s Griffin/Rubio going 1-2 or 2-1, with the 3rd pick being of such reduced quality that even Kevin Pritchard wouldn’t finagle for it. And I’m pretty much in that camp, even though guys like Tyreke Evans and Brandon Jennings certainly intrigue me.
Because none of you out there in StR land have decided to argue how/why we will be alright with the 3rd or 4th pick, it is left up to me to argue with myself. There is a benefit to this – I always win the argument. The downside is that sometimes my arguments with myself get rather contentious, and as a result I won’t talk to myself for days.
It will be a couple of years before we truly know the depth of this draft. Last year, it was all about Derrick Rose and Michael Beasley, until O.J. Mayo worked his way into the conversation a few weeks before the draft. The year before that, it was Greg Oden and Kevin Durant. But ask Atlanta how happy they are with Al Horford, whom they selected with the third pick. Horford may be just outside the range of “franchise player,” but he was a very nice add for the Hawks at #3.
OK, we know that we have a top four pick, as well as the #23 and #31 selections. Let’s take a look at what these picks could have provided us with over the past five years. Since we still don’t know our lot at the top of the draft, we’ll list the top four plus a wild card within the lottery for each year. We’ll show the best player from each year that was drafted between #23 and #30, as well as the best 2nd round talent.
2008 – Rose, Beasley, Mayo, and Russell Westbrook. Wild Card is Eric Gordon (chosen 7th). Nicolas Batum was chosen 25th, Mario Chalmers 34th. If we walked into this draft with #4, #23 and #31 and walked out with Westbrook, Batum and Chalmers, we’d be pretty happy, yes?
2007 – Oden, Durant, Horford, Mike Conley, Jr. WC = Jeff Green (5th). Rudy Fernandez went 24th, Aaron Brooks 26th, Marc Gasol 48th and Ramon Sessions 56th.
2006 – Andrea Barganani, LaMarcus Aldridge, Adam Morrison, Tyrus Thomas. Brandon Roy 6th, Kyle Lowry 24th, Sergio Rodriuguez 27th, Boobie Gibson 42nd, Paul Millsap 47th.
2005 – Andrew Bogut, Marvin Williams, Deron Williams, Chris Paul III, Andrew Bynum 10th, David Lee 30th (we selected Francisco Garcia 23rd that year), Brandon Bass 33rd, Monta Ellis 40th.
2004 – Dwight Howard, Emeka Okafor, Ben Gordon, Shaun Livingston, Devin Harris 5th, Andre Iguodala 9th, Kevin Martin 26th, Anderson Varejao 31st.
The good news? There is a load of talent on that list. A load. The bad news? There are a few misses on that list, and a lot more that are not listed as you pick through each draft.
This is where Geoff Petrie’s performance as a draft guru comes in. As has been chronicled here before, GP has had tons more hits than misses. The fact that you have to hang your hat on Quincy Douby when speaking of Petrie’s draft failures speaks volumes about his extended period of success (Brian Grant, Corliss Williamson, Peja Stojakovic, Jason Williams, Hedo Tukoglu, Gerald Wallace, Kevin Martin Francisco Garcia, Spencer Hawes, Jason Thompson – and for you 2nd round fans, Michael Smith, Lawrence Funderburke, Tyus Edney, Anthony Johnson).
When you look at the talent that was available over the past five years and couple that with Petrie’s acumen as a draft prognosticator, you can’t help but get a little excited about the upcoming draft. I have enough confidence in this draft pool that it will be at least four players deep in all star talent, and that GP will grab one of them, as well as at least one guy later that will help this team. Yep, everything is going to be just fine.
“Gosh, 214. I feel much better now. Bring on May 19th! How do you feel?”
“Up yours, section. Take your half-full glass of Petrie’s Kool-Aid and go Natt yourself.”
Hmm. It’s going to be awfully quiet between me and myself over the next couple of weeks.
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You're just doing this to make me mad
I had a big feature of my own just go up. Sniff. Sniff. Sniff. Hahahahaha yeah right.
I love your point about talent and the vast pool it’s helped create in the NBA. My worry is that with all the arguments over whether there are less talent in the NCAA is overshadowing a potentiall drop in OVERALL talent available for the NBA in the future.
I’m not worried about dropping to 4, but that does concern me as I’m already solidly in the Rubio camp. I think Brandon Jennings and Tyreke Evans are both worthy considerations there (or they should be), and it’s very possible that Jordan Hill could be as well.
We are all scared of not having a shot at Rubio or Griffin. What we should be scared of is that if the Kings don’t finish in one of those top slots, that they’re might not even be a player at that level for the rest of the draft. (Totally unusual, but it does happen.)
Great stuff 214. Not that I expect anything less.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh and I buzzed you for one reason
The picture. (Well, I suppose, the analysis too.)
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap
Your feature is long (that’s what she said), even by your standards!
I’ll have to wait to read that one.
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by Exhibit G on Apr 28, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very very long
The analysis won’t make you happy I predict that. Unless, you don’t have an agenda here. Then you won’t care. :)
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your feature is long says G and Pook?
talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Though as I recall neither one of them have been linked by Henry Abbott……………………………………………………yet
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by Bluejohn on Apr 28, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't get linked
Not pretty or scientific enough.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that G and pookey are talking about pookey's post at Evil Cowtown Inc.
I think. Otherwise, I’m going to be very, very hurt by their mean comments.
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by section214 on Apr 28, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were 214
If I want to call you a dirty jew, why would I refrain from saying it directly? Dirty Jew!
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But umm 214
I would appreciate it if you would read this link and tell me what you think of the particular numbers analysis. Eddy Rivera of 3QC passed it along (he’s done an interview with the guy who writes it), and it would be cool if someone who is not a numbers geek looked at it besides me.
Would be greatly appreciated sir. (No sarcasm I swear.)
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's very interesting stuff -
I have to raise an eyebrow over Hansbrough having a better scoring average than Griffin. Hansbrough is also a better scorer than DeJuan Blair, while Blair is a better rebounder than Hansbrough and Griffin.
I think that his system does a pretty good job of nailing these guys as they are today, but it does not take growth potential into account. For example, take away the scoring and Stephen Curry still rates as a better PG than Tyreke Evans. That might be true today, but it might not be true by next March or next year.
Great stuff to read, and dude put a lot of work into it. But I’ll default to dalt99’s findings.
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by section214 on Apr 28, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty similar to what I thought too
He did provide points as to whether he thought the projections accurate, and in Hansborough’s case, he did say he didn’t think it was.
The interesting projections were to me Caspri, Griffin and Evans.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had to bet
I’ll bet that Dalt’s ratings are very similar to it.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh,
and thanks for passing it along. I enjoyed it.
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by section214 on Apr 28, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My heart might break if we don't get Rubio or Griffin
but I could see Petrie taking Stephen Curry with the 3rd or 4th pick. He’d be a great PG in a Princeton offense.
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by vfettke on Apr 28, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I could see him taking Curry or Jennings.
by Aykis16 on Apr 28, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Griffin and Rubio are gone
I don’t see how Petrie passes on Curry
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by vfettke on Apr 28, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd better not take Curry
Not with a top-4 pick.
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by otis29 on Apr 28, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's that crazy
I really don’t Otis.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither do I
I don’t mind getting Curry, but he’d better be trading down to get him.
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by otis29 on Apr 28, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or trading up
With the second first round pick.
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by otis29 on Apr 28, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah either or really works
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd be surprised if Geoff Petrie took a lights out shooter like Stephen Curry with the 4th pick?
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by vfettke on Apr 28, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that one
I’m a big fan of picking up Jennings or Curry with the 4th pick here. We shouldn’t forget that Jennings was probably a top 3 or 4 pick had he been able to go from HS to the NBA, directly. I also think Curry is the second coming of Mike Bibby. Curry is more of a shooting PG, but has shown he can pass the ball well.
Here’s my draft order…
1 – Ricky Rubio
2 – Blake Griffin
3 – Thabeet
4 – Brendon Jennings
5 – Stephen Curry
We have no reason to be disappointed with whichever pick we get.
by CloudyEyes on Apr 28, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How dare you, section, how dare you...
I want to rant and rave about how the 3rd pick would be the end of the world, and you go and throw common sense and uncommon sensibility into the mix. Way to crush my dreams of pissing and moaning.
Nice post.
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by Exhibit G on Apr 28, 2009 9:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well done
My soul will only be deflated on May 19 should we not win 1 or 2 … instead of, you know, being crushed.
by Ziller on Apr 28, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats why mine will stay the same.
Since we’re going to get the 4th pick and I know it. Anything else is an improvement.
by Aykis16 on Apr 28, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So... do you have no soul then?
Kings fan? A's Fan?! Al Davis Run Raiders Fan?!!?!! ANNNND you're sacrificing 2 years of your life because you're LDS?!!?!?!?!?! Yeah, Masochist is the new sexy.
by killerking on Apr 28, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone knows who I'd pick 3rd or 4th
(Assuming the Wiz don’t beat us to it.) Doesn’t fit quite as comfortably with hawes/JT but I’ll take the two time defensive player of the year for a team that is more than merely lacking in that area.
The Biiiig Tanzanian has always been my second choice. I’m Not interested in another frail shooter.
I’d still prefer BG of course.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 28, 2009 9:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
make that 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 28, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thabeet might go at #2
I continue to be amazed at some peoples assumption that the only player in the draft worthy of the #2 spot is Ricky Rubio. Forget about his less than stellar PPG and his poot Asst/TO ratio in the Spainish & European league. The fact is that not every team is in dire need of a PG as we are.
If you look DX’s 2010 mock draft Jerome Jordan is the only college prospect at or over 7ft, and he’s projected at 16. There are a 3 european centers in the 7ft range but 2 are late 2nd rounders. Then if you go to NBAdraft.net and look at the top 40 high school seniors, there is not one listed over 6’10". And, some of those probably should be playing football, because their list as weighting between 270-290 lbs.
The truth of the matter is, that with all of Thabeet’s offensive defeciencies, he probably will be the best center prospect to come out of college for the next 2 to 3 yrs. And, there are a lot more teams in need of a center then there are teams in need of a playmaking PG. Lastly, (I hate repeating myself) with all the good PG’s in this draft, it is not an absolute certainty that Ricky Rubio will be the best PG in the draft. There are plenty of PGs with good court vision and passing skills and some that are more athletic and better shooters than Rubio. We are talking potential. And, there is no way to know with any certainty who will develop the best.
So, fear not all you Rubio fans, because he could still be available at #4. For all you Griffin fans, pray we get #1. As for me, I pray we get #1, and trade up the Houston pick to get a good PG.
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by HighTops on Apr 28, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the Kings get #1 either way
Many things can change between now and June 25th.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I ran the lottery sim on ESPN last night. I had the Kings picking 4th but still selecting Ricky Rubio. But I agree with pookey, if we’re 1 we can take whoever GP decides is the best.
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by Exhibit G on Apr 28, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I hadn't realized we thought so alike on this HT
I could have written what you said word for word. A Deep PG class this year, the year of the PG maybe. I’d rather be looking at one around 14-15 of course.
As I’ve said before, Phx and Detroit just may be looking for multiple picks (though I have no real idea – they just seem like they should be in that mode) and they pick 14-15 I believe.
I too believe that if Okl or the Wiz pick second they’re likely to take Thabeet. I still hope that the wiz pick might be available if they get 2 or 3. I’d be willing to give up #23 and 2010 I think to land Griffin and Rubio or some other combo.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 28, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can't afford to buy another top pick
Wash has a salary of $76M next yr. and Might be willing to sell their pick to someone with big pockets like Detroit with $39M or Memphis is $35M in salary next yr. Our $7M in cap space is a drop in the bucket even with the matching Luxury Tax. They just can do better then us.
Phoenix is in the same trouble as Wash with $77M in salary next year. We’re just not in their price range.
Now, the Bucks, NJ, and the Bobcats are all over the cap before the dratt. And, the Bucks want to resign Sessions and I’m guessing the Bobcats want to resign Felton. So, one of those 3 teams may be willing to trade their pick for the Houston pick if we take on some of their bad contracts. But, I would only do that if we don’t get a PG with our first pick.
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by HighTops on Apr 29, 2009 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want to trade the pick for Shelden Williams?
I’ll take the two time defensive player of the year…
or Emeka Okafor? NCAA defensive player of the year.
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by Kfan in Korea on Apr 28, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I smell argument
I’m going to go somewhere else where I can’t be blamed for it.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, that was me...
a bit of bad gas.
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by PhutureKings on Apr 28, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your Happy-Happy, Joy-Joy Posting will Provide Me no Comfort, Sir.
I seem to be going negative lately (hmm…perhaps some attack ads directed toward StR for their decision to promote Exhibit G, a “known thief of copyrighted material and contributor to the Hell’s Angels” are soon in order?), but I’m simply trying to keep everything in perspective. While only a few weeks ago I stated that I wouldn’t call this a weak draft, reading this Chad Ford article made me slightly reconsider.
“Things are so bad, guys that are normally on the first-round bubble are on the lottery bubble this year,” said one Western Conference GM. “This is a dangerous time. You start talking yourself into guys. I think the strategy in this draft is to shoot for a role player.”
It’s a good thing this draft’s “strong point” is in PGs, though, considering our biggest needs.
You asked if we “walked out with Westbrook, Batum and Chalmers, we’d be pretty happy, yes?” Sure. But, not as happy as we’d be walking out with Rose, Batum and Chalmers.
And that ighlights the difference between picking first or second as opposed to third or fourth, especially in this draft. We NEED a top-2 pick, my friend, and in this draft, walking away with Thabeet or Jennings, Austin Daye and Sergio Llull is much different than walking out with Griffin or Rubio, Sam Young and DaJuan Summers. Not that I had to tell any of you guys that, right?
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by PhutureKings on Apr 28, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I already know we're getting the number 4 pick
Seeing as how I’m all-knowing (comes with working at Raley’s), so any improvement will cause a wormhole that will cause major disruptions in the time-space continuum.
by Aykis16 on Apr 28, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What are the options of Sacramento to trade up (at least to pick nr.2)?
What pieces might GP be willing to sacrify (if any)? Kenny Thomas and expiring pick? Future draft picks? Cisco? Donte? Nocioni?
by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Apr 28, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Taking Salary on for 2011 might do it
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's our biggest commidty
Is the fact that we don’t want to be in, or can’t realisticly win anything in the 2010 bonanza of Free Agency. We can take on bad contracts in order to move up. If some how (I’d kill a puppy) NY won the top pick, couldn’t you see them dealing it to us with Eddy Curry for K-9 and our later 1st round?
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by killerking on Apr 28, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I could see that
Or just simply taking Curry on and swapping picks would also work as well.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guru!
< shakes fist in the air >
You beat me to it.
by smgmatt on Apr 28, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you're going to be mad when you read my statement below LOL
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
But they might do that deal for our top pick (2-4 in this scenario) instead of #23.
by smgmatt on Apr 28, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You never know smg
They could consider David Lee more valuable than having a top 5 pick in this draft too.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I just don’t think that they’d drop BG for Lee, especially when Lee would cost twice as much.
I think it’s reasonable to look at them losing Eddy Curry’s deal to drop down a couple of picks, but even if they get #2, you don’t think that D’Antoni would just give away a PG like Rubio, do you?
by smgmatt on Apr 28, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No of course not
I don’t think they would drop Blake Griffin or Ricky Rubio, but what about the 3rd pick?
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
That’s where the idea becomes reasonable.
But would getting rid of EC’s deal be enough to drop twenty spots?
If the Maloof’s were really on board with a deal like this, I could see the Knicks trading EC & #3 for #23 and another 1st round pick (which would probably need to be acquired through a $3M cash exchange with the T-Wolves, the Durants, or a team simply dumping their pick).
The Knicks would dump salary, and still pick up a couple of role players on the cheap to fill out their roster for the 2010 LBJ push (and open up room on the books to sign David Lee).
The Kings would get two picks in the Top 4 at the cost of EC’s deal + $3M . . . but if that nets BG/Thabeet + Rubio/Jennings/(insert PG here) then that might just be a win-win.
by smgmatt on Apr 28, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the buying of a pick will happen
I don’t think the Maloof’s saved enough during the season to actually even consider it.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should have a bake sale before the draft
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by otis29 on Apr 28, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reconsidering the bake sale
They should let fans do body shots off the Kings dancers at $100 per pop. Only question would be if you’d get more Kings fans or Monarchs fans.
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by otis29 on Apr 28, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know someone on Bedge who would consider that statement wrong
But, I don’t care.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Voisin/Stern would pay for that.
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by PhutureKings on Apr 28, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bake sale
Maybe we can call Brad and get his recipe for brownies
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by Exhibit G on Apr 28, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and maybe sell them by the ounce
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by Bluejohn on Apr 28, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BAKE SALE!!!

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by section214 on Apr 28, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dudes -

The bake sale was bitchin’!
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by section214 on Apr 28, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
The question really should be:
- Even if the Kings get the #1, could they still make a play for another top pick?
Let everyone think it’s a weak draft, take BG at #1, and then take on some salary to get back into the Top 5 for a PG. If, as some have suggested, Rubio falls to 4 then you leave with BG & Rubio . . . otherwise you pick up a Jennings, Curry, Evans, etc. and still win.
What would the #2 or #3 pick cost, if the Kings take BG at #1? Since most of the other projected teams at the top need a big more than a point guard, what’s the price after BG & Thabeet are off the board? A buddy of mine said he’d trade Martin for the #2 if the Kings won the Lottery, netting both BG & Rubio. I don’t know if I’d do that . . . but it definitely got me thinking.
by smgmatt on Apr 28, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
For the Knicks to drop Eddy Curry it would take a lot in order to do it
But, I could see several teams be willing to sweeten the pot to get a top 3 pick for sale. I don’t think the Kings would be the only team willing to take on an Eddy Curry to get that pick. Maybe I’m wrong there too, but few teams will be willing to take on that money. But, what if one of those teams is Portland?
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm not saying them only
But, there could be a team like OKC that would be willing to move up with similar stakes of losing out on a player they could really covet, and still pick another player with their own pick if they lose out (or get pushed back more likely) in the lottery.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
With the questions regarding the salary cap, the strength of the draft, and team needs . . . this may be the best time for the Kings to make a deal like this.
The Knicks are obviously putting all their eggs in the LeBron sweepstakes, which means they might offer up a non-Top 2 pick to shed some more salary.
The Wizards also need to drop salary, and may be willing to do the same if there isn’t a big on the board when they pick.
This is the time when some modest risks could pay out in spades with huge rewards . . . but will anyone be willing?
by smgmatt on Apr 28, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will see come June 25th
Until then it’s just interesting speculation of a “basketball board”.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That picture
Is by far the most gratuitously disgusting thing I’ve ever seen on this site. And there’s been a lot to choose from!
Ok, people, let's generate all the good Karma we can until May 19. Then you can go back to your shallow and empty lifestyles.
by LeaguePassAddict on Apr 28, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly though, a top 4 pick isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
We could land Thabeet, who looks to potentially be a damn good defender. Or we could get Jennings who, just a year ago, was supposed to be one of the best young PGs on the planet. Both of them are projects that’ll take time… but guess what! We’ve got plenty of time.
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by vfettke on Apr 28, 2009 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to tackle Brandon Jennings here in awhile
Something significant needs to be pointed out with regards to him. i’m just not sure what that significant thing is yet.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's significant about him is that he could potentially be a better pg than Rubio
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by Bluejohn on Apr 28, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Lot of good PG potentials in this draft
If we could swing a pick in the teens somewhere though….. (sigh)
Not a deep draft at all for Bigs.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 28, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about this? A modest proposal for Minny
Sac trades #3/#4, #23 and #31 for #5, #18, #28. The T-Wolves move up for Thabeet and the Kings move down for Jennings and Curry, moving up their later two picks in the process. Does either team do this?
by LPKingsFan on Apr 28, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Go to Canis Hoopus and ask them
One of the nice features of SBN. You can interact with other fans as long as you’re not an ignoramus.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I don't know
We’ve had plenty of their idiots come over to “interact” with us.
Ok, people, let's generate all the good Karma we can until May 19. Then you can go back to your shallow and empty lifestyles.
by LeaguePassAddict on Apr 28, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Canis Hoopus? No.
Blazers Edge, yes.Golden State of Mind? A few, yes. Other blogs? Not really, no.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, a good idea
I’ll get it a shot when I get time. But do we do this?
by LPKingsFan on Apr 28, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to shrug LP
I don’t know. Maybe, maybe not. I would consider it, but then again, maybe not. Trading down may not improve this team after all. Float it over at Hoopus and see what they say. You’ll be surprised by the response. They’re a knowledgeable friendly bunch over there.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to continue to hope for the best rather than dread the worst.
Until Faaaaaate speaks to us.
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- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Apr 28, 2009 6:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Right now if we don't get one of the top 2 picks
I’m starting to lean toward B. Jennings but if this draft is like all the others I’m sure that will change as we learn more about these kids. What Jennings did this season is so unprecedented that it makes typical analysis difficult. Before he went to Italy last year no one would have blinked if you had talked about taking him with one of the top 4 picks.
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by Bluejohn on Apr 28, 2009 7:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I worry he’s a head-case.
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- lend the eye a terrible aspect
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by lietothegirls on Apr 28, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what?
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He worries about anything that could be an argument against drafting Blake or Thabeet
List of worries:
Rubio’s shooting, Evans’ shooting, Spencer’s ability to draw fouls, JT’s nose for the ball, Jennings’ head…
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by Kfan in Korea on Apr 28, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that Kfan
But rather than responding to his argument with snark, I’d rather give him the opportunity to base it with something other than what he has traditionally backed up many of his arguments with.
What can I say, I’m a pessimistic optimist. (Being a Dem some days is just not what it used to be. Sigh.)
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are the voice of patience and tolerance
I am the voice of frustration.
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by Kfan in Korea on Apr 28, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I look at it this way
The more he doesn’t respond, or won’t respond, the more he is acting like a petulant child refusing to admit what the rest of us have said all along. This isn’t a slam dunk pick. Some people agree with him, and don’t mind the debate.
I think he minds the debate. Still, let him prove it time & time again. He sticks around long enough, he’ll learn how tricky prognostication is. Not that most people his age probably haven’t learned that lesson already, but you know.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
point taken
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by Kfan in Korea on Apr 28, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do have other things going on
not waiting with baited breath for your next replies.
Did you read the interview piece from europe a month or so ago? There were shades of discussing his game in the third person etc. that caused me, and others at the time, some concern. His best friend was saying things like ‘Branden is a different kind of dude’ and more in that vein that had mee thinking of Starbury and so on.
Everything is not always about another thing, sometimes its just about the thing itself.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 28, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as Jennings character
He did recently donate 50 g’s to earthquake victims over in Italy .I was impressed when i read that . I’m sure thier are other athletes that make a ton more money that would of spent that money on a set of rims for thier Caddy. I think he’s not perfect but generally a good kid that loves the game of BB. And takes care of his Mom and little brother finacially..can’t knock that
by hectic2 on Apr 29, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize
That you two are reflexively tag-teaming LTTG any chance you get – but I do recall the early discussions of Brandon Jennings here including some conversation of his flake potential.
Maybe those questions have been answered, maybe they haven’t – but when I hear Brandon Jennings’ name, that’s one of the thoughts that goes through my head as well.
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by otis29 on Apr 29, 2009 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get it
I just don’t see why Marcus Williams has any say in the matter. Where I stand though.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 29, 2009 6:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In otherwords Otis
I think it’s a bad idea to judge Jennings character based on a friendship with Marcus Williams. He’s friends with Ricky Rubio too. Does that mean anything?
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by pookeyguru on Apr 29, 2009 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other than his friendship with Marcus Williams,
where are the red flags?
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by section214 on Apr 28, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad I'm not the only one wondering that
Because I don’t see playing in Italy as anything but a plus for him. Especially since he has supposedly rebounded after a poor start in Italy.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marcus Williams saying that Jennings is 'different' concerns me
That whole interview and article had the flavor of Flake, whether fair or not, written all over it.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 28, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just where are you getting the 'rebounded after a poor start' opinion?
not an attack, I’m curious. He hasn’t shot well (38%2s 26%3s), his assist to TO stat is terrible (1.6v1.2), I’d love to hear more positive stuff.
Show me.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 28, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There isn't going to be positive stats coming from this season
Especially when compared to the NCAA. Especially for a guy playing his first season in Europe.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 29, 2009 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So true...
It’s very difficult for a player coming with no pro experience and a totally different system in an Euro league…Italian league sure is not NBA, but, as all the European leagues, is very competitive and, due to small money on the basket business in Italy, there’s less attention on developing young guys and more concern about winning games.
Plus, Jenning’s team, Virtus Lottomatica Roma, had an awful start of season and passed through coach changing, so it’s initial stats are quite conditioned by Roma’s stats in general.
I still prefer Rubio on him, but sure he has potential to be a top pg.
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by Panzerfaust on Apr 29, 2009 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that is a good point
I just don’t feel like mentioning it myself because most often people think I’m twisting these arguments to skew the argument in my favor.
Jennings started playing better when he had a different coach (fired by Dejan Bodiroga—who was a Kings 2nd round pick in 1995—one of the team owners Jennings plays for), when the club management was unhappy with all the playing time.
Europe is a huge adjustment for anybody, let alone a 19 year old kid used to play AAU ball. In a lot of ways, NBA teams are hoping more kids do this because of the chance to develop a couple years playing basketball.
The other day David Stern didn’t even sound like it was HURTING the league for a player like Brandon Jennings to play in Europe. He was asked about Jeremy Tyler, the kid from San Diego leaving High School early to play over in Europe and get better, and this is what he said:
N.B.A. Commissioner David Stern said the league had no preference on how its players were developed. "Whether it’s in high school, in the D-League, in college or in Europe, we’re neutral on how that gets done," he said.It’s a bit funny for me to say that this whole argument hasn’t been about the whole gobs of money that have been tied up in AAU & NCAA ball which (until the mid 90’s) was the best way to develop a kid going to the NBA.
My how things change. And, you know what? I’m glad. AAU ball and it’s motives were always a joke. So were many NCAA programs and the notion that 1 & done guys are “student athletes”.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 29, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point was
I havn’t seen/read any updates on jenning’s play since dec. and the stats don’t look great – much worse than many of the PGs in this draft.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 29, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course they do
What do you expect? Him to put up NCAA averages against grown men?
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by pookeyguru on Apr 29, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that we must look to
Jennings’ Euro coaches to see his behavior, make them the judge of how Brandon Jennings will react to the big league with a heightened expectations.
As for the head case thing, I’m not as worried about that as I am about overall strength (he’ll very easily get caught in a screen) and his willingness to stay constantly active defensively as well as offensively. Much of that can be made better with the right coaching staff, though.
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by submison on Apr 28, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
that DX says that Jennings has a very good work ethic.
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by submison on Apr 28, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'd look for too
I had worries that he wasn’t willing to put in the work to get into college. Getting good feedback from his Euro coaches would address those concerns.
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by Kfan in Korea on Apr 28, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Time & maturity can help with the getting caught on a screen though
Not all coaching. Some of it is on the player.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 29, 2009 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coaching
could help him develop his upper-body strength more so then he would. I do agree with you though, most development is more on the player than coaches.
I mentioned coaches because whenever I played in an organized basketball league, they were the ones that kept me from constantly shooting corner fade-away three pointers and kept me active on defense. They put me in line and I imagine most coaches would do that as well.
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by submison on Apr 29, 2009 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true Coaching does have a point
But here’s the difference sub: You’re probably a pretty mindful kid. Not all of us were yanno?
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by pookeyguru on Apr 29, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still in the Jennings camp
If we don’t get #1 pick(BG) , I wouldn’t be surprised if Jennings was the first PG taken in draft..and wearing a Kings hat while shaking Sterns hand
by hectic2 on Apr 28, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I for one would be very surprised
if anyone other than Rubio were the fist PG taken in the draft.
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by PhutureKings on Apr 29, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Thrope on Jrue Holliday.
From Thorpe’s chat:
Rich (Sacramento, CA): Thorpe! Love the chats- Knowing our franchise’s luck, let’s say the Kings pick 4th. Griffin, Rubio, and Hill (maybe) are off the board. Who would you go with?
SportsNation David Thorpe: I’m growing increasingly convinced that Jrue Holiday is incredibly special. As in top 5 talent in this draft.
by mayfieldcol on Apr 29, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He may have that "Star' potential
Jerry talked about on Kings.com
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by lietothegirls on Apr 29, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything other than the 1st or 2nd pick
Will be very disappointing for all us Kings fans…
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