Would John Whisenant Really Be the Worst Thing in the World?
Obviously, I'd prefer the Maloofs stop pushing their friends into head coaching roles with the Sacramento Kings. It didn't work with Reggie Theus (a surprise choice), and because he was the Maloofs' guy and because the Maloofs maintain an iron grip on decisions involving the coaching job, Geoff Petrie couldn't can him last summer (when it became apparent his grating egotism had alienated the team's best player, the front office and many fans). Now we have Kenny Natt, and quite soon we'll have a fifth head coach in the last five years.
But let's imagine the status quo remains, and the Maloofs maintain an iron grip on decisions involving the coaching job. (Honestly, it's their right. They are the owners. We can wish it'd be different, but we can't exactly ask them to butt out.) Let's imagine the Kings hire John Whisenant.
I said as much earlier today, but (since I have been rebuffed in the comments) let me reiterate: Whisenant's pedigree is not a problem, in my opinion. Give me a suggested resumé for a head coaching hire for a young team with a .200 winning percentage, a shaky financial picture and a less than glamorous image. You think we should hire away Phil Jackson or Gregg Popovich?
Every coach the Kings would be in position to hire will have problems, deficiencies on the resumé. Eddie Jordan lacks defensive chops. Flip Saunders' teams lack focus. Avery Johnson chokes offensive creativity. Tom Thibodeau lacks experience and people skills. Maurice Cheeks has a poor understanding of in-game tactics. Lawrence Frank isn't a great motivator. Isiah Thomas has a fondness of chauvinism. Every candidate is flawed. Accept that.
Whisenant's flaw: no NBA experience. Every college coach who tries to step up to the bigs has the same flaw. Reggie Theus had this flaw. It is a flaw, a deficiency.
Having coached in the WNBA, however, is not a flaw. When you're making your Pro-Con list, "no NBA experience" goes in the Con column. "WNBA head coach" does not go in the Con column. It goes in the Pro column. Maybe it's at the very bottom of the Pro column, under "Nice mustache" or "Makes a delicious stratta." But it's not a negative. You can't be a worse basketball coach because you coached women's basketball. Would coaching his kid's youth league team make Kurt Rambis a worse coach off the top? No! The lack of NBA experience is the problem, not the presence of WNBA experience.
Three years ago, Whisenant seemed like a lock to become the first post-Adelman head coach of the Kings. I had e-mailed Kevin Pelton, then of the Sonics/Storm, for his insight, as he was (and still is) the only analyst in the world covering both the NBA and WNBA. He gave me some great thoughts I didn't publish at the time (due to the sensitivity of Kevin's position). Now, along with his work for the Storm, Kevin writes for Basketball Prospectus (as you'll know from the myriad links I've posted). He gave me permission to publish this segment of our 2006 discussion on Whisenant's pro prospects.
I think the WNBA is a better background than it is given credit for, to the extent that it is a professional league. You have similar levels of player movement and a mindset that players are more important than coaches, which is not true of college basketball. Also, being a head coach is fundamentally different than being an assistant, so I think that experince is valuable.
If you're willing to hire a college coach, in my opinion you should be willing to hire a WNBA coach or a European club coach. Of course, there will be specific situational differences -- the question of NBA experience doesn't exist in a vacuum; you may support David Blatt because of his reputation as a motivator while rejecting Whisenant because you don't think his defensive system will work in the NBA. But this specific check box on your application -- "Do you have experience as an NBA head or assistant coach?" -- is fairly binary! The out-of-hand rejections based solely on his WNBA experience is a bit mind-boggling.
So again, if you reject Whisenant out of hand, would you support the hire of any college or European coach without NBA coaching experience?
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Depends on the coach
Would I hire Rick Pitino? Nope. not a chance. And it’s not like he completely failed in Boston solely because he picked Chauncey Billups in the draft. Or traded him 200 days later. No, that was what it was. He showed his NBA chops after failing in New York nearly a decade later with far superior talent. This was, of course, after his first Final 4 run with Providence.
Sorry, but a successful head coach would have to be intimately familiar with the NBA first as an assistant before I would say that hiring an European coach made sense. Like the NCAA, the players aren’t as good, and the problems are different. It’s not the NBA. Name a NBA coach that has coached for 5+ years that you don’t think could outcoach most if not all of the coaches at the NCAA level. It’s not the NCAA coaches are inferior to NBA coaches; or for that matter, that the NBA guys know more. It’s that being a NBA coach stems somewhat in having success of having a very powerful player back you (Phil Jackson) or work on a staff for a long time to have a track record back you, and then become successful in your first real coaching job (Lawrence Frank sticks out here).
I seem to remember some pasty white guy who seems to make shrewd decisions with regards to x&o’s whose been endorsed by his head coach if he did make it so far. Anybody that tells me that this team woudln’t be better off hiring Mike Budenholzer than John Whisenant is not only full of shit; they’re plum dumb beyond all belief. Which is, after all, what the Maloof’s are teling me if they do this.
Excuse me, I have my brain to bash in with a spoon now.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 3, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nearly a decade earlier (on the Pitino comment)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Apr 3, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to repost this from the other thread
It talks about perception & RESPECT, something vfettke and I seemed to concur on.
I think whoever is hired must be able to gain the players respect quickly, very important I think for a team who’s pyche & confidance may be in crisis.
To promote teamwork on the offensive and Especially(!) the defensive end the players need to buy into the next coach’s philosophy. Can another neophyte accomplish that? Especially in a league where perception and image, what people are saying, is so (unfortunatly) important?
I doubt it.
I repeat my disclaimer that I know little about these guys resume’ wise.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 3, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nooooo!
So again, if you reject Whisenant out of hand, would you support the hire of any college or European coach without NBA coaching experience?
No. The Kings are shifting from a bad team to a joke of a franchise on and off the court. Adding Wisenant validates the chatter about this franchise being a joke. Petrie is facing his legacy being questioned, if I’m him (which I’m not), I go down swinging with an A list coach, not a hire that automatically draws the ire of fans, media, NBA circles and last but not least players. Maybe 3 years ago Wisenant made a little bit of sense but this is not the time to experiment.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Apr 3, 2009 11:10 AM PDT reply actions 7 recs
well said
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 3, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
Coming to you live from the land of interim coaches.
by LeaguePassAddict on Apr 3, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I’m done with this coaching fiasco. At this point, I just want a coach with NBA experience and matches our system well. Wiz does not fill that criteria. He might not do a bad job of coaching the Kings, but that’s not sufficient IMO
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by CAB on Apr 3, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More than agree...
I’m not advocating for Whiz, a college coach, or a Euro league coach. I’m advocating for the hiring of a experienced, respectable coach, who doesn’t immediately have hurdles (such as having to prove himself or gain player respect) to clear. With a guy like EJ or Saunders (or another such qualified NBA coach), you get someone who instantly lends credibility to the organization, gets players’ respect and shows that not only were the Maloofs willing to spend some dough to acquire him, but they also had Petrie’s backing in the decision.
The experiments should be over, not beginning anew.
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by PhutureKings on Apr 3, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any new coach will have to prove himself
That’s just nature of the beast. All hiring a guy with a bigger name means that the players will have heard of him first.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Apr 4, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last line says it all
“..this is not the time to experiment.” End of story.
by LPKingsFan on Apr 3, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair or Not, that ship has sailed
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 3, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
College, Euro or WNBA?
No, no and no. Wouldn’t hire any coach from any of these leagues without first having NBA experience. Seen any recent successful college to NBA coaches? Any Euro or WNBA coaches at all? There are good reasons for this.
I have no problem with the argument that just because they coached in the WNBA they shouldn’t coach in the NBA.
The real issue is why Whiz and why do the Maloofs continue to not learn from their mistakes?
by StepUp on Apr 3, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah StepUp
Right with you every step of the way on that one. (And I don’t think being a former player gives you much credibility here. Being an assistant coach at the pro level made sense.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Apr 3, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'Antoni
Was horrid his first go-round in the NBA, he then went to the Euroleague and won like 5 Italian championships or something like that, and came back and took the NBA by storm. Granted the Knicks still stink this year, but they are at least in a position of Respect now. Where they were not last year. And I know this argument is a little moot since D’antoni actually did have some NBA coaching experience prior to his stint in the Euroleagues.
I am actually working on a coaching fanpost that presents “most” of the viable options the experience they have a basic sense of what they coach like etc. So be on the lookout for that sometime this weekend or monday.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on Apr 3, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea
hope you’re taking a look at what TZ posted on that a couple of weeks ago as reference.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 3, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again...
we look for the rookie coach, with no experience in the NBA and expect him to lead our very own rookies while learning on the job. Can we please get a proven NBA coach in Sacramento?
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by Sac King on Apr 3, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A Redskin Fan Warning....
I’m a Kings and Skins fan….and I am very worried about the direction of the Kings. I’ve watched Dan Snyder take over my Skins and turn them into a joke by being his own GM. The Maloofs and Kings are so close to falling apart and going down this road. This cannot happen. Why would Petrie let this happen? I can tolerate a bad team, but not a lack of a future… which is what we will have if the Maloofs keep meddling….
by amonk81 on Apr 3, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Think of it this way
At least you’ll always have the 80’s and early 90’s of the Skins glory years.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Apr 3, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My answer is no as well
Basketball is not a single game, it brings too much of difference in terms of demands. We are not looking for a good basketball coach, we are looking for a good NBA coach and that makes a difference. I believe that Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan, Rick Adelman or whoever else should probably fail have they moved to WNBA or the Greek league nowadays without any prior long-term preparation for the specific competition.
On the other hand, and that is why I recommended your article, TZ, to be an NBA coach does not mean to be a superior coach. If basketball consists of ‘multiple’, it takes more than hype, commercials or athleticism to convince me that NBA is the ‘best’ of basketball. Which is why I would not want John Whisenant to be the next head coach of the Kings – for the reasons that jjham gives int his thread, but partially also for the reasons vfettke and lietothegirls give in another one – but, at the same time I would echo your words that
Just because the man’s last job was coaching women’s basketball should never disqualify him for the job. Arguing otherwise is short-sighted, close-minded and frankly sexist.
Or in other words, ‘Just because the man’s last job was coaching women’s basketball should never disqualify him for the respect as a basketball coach (which is what I am a bit concerned of some fragments of these discussions). Arguing otherwise is short-sighted, close-minded and frankly sexist’.
by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Apr 3, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Natt can now check the NBA head coach option...
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by moproblemz on Apr 3, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you have to attack the gender question head-on
Would we want a female head coach? Would we want a transgendered head coach? Would we want a cross-dressing head coach who looked like Medea Going to Jail on the sidelines on national TV? Would we want to go to war with a female General leading us?
When boys do high-testosterone things they tend to want high-testosterone alpha dogs leading the charge. And I don’t think that is “sexist”, but it clearly is gender-specific.
And if Whiz has to serve as an assistant somewhere in the NBA to shed the “soft” tag, then so be it.
But I think to condemn opposition to the WNBA angle as irrational or sexist and just discount it on that basis is irrational and close-minded.
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by Holmdel on Apr 3, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Solid rebuttal.
Not sure I agree a hundred percent ,but I respect the straight up take.
by Kusian on Apr 3, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To answer Ziller's question
So again, if you reject Whisenant out of hand, would you support the hire of any college or European coach without NBA coaching experience?
No. i want a head coach who knows not only what it’s like to deal with NBA talent, but someone who knows how to deal with NBA players as well. That NBA experience is important. I’d have no problem with a former WNBA coach if they had NBA experience of some sort, because of that respect factor. For example, I think Bill Laimbeer would get way more respect in the locker room as a coach because he’s not only played in the NBA, he’s won rings.
When it comes down to it coaches are powerful people. Successful ones do well because they know how to coach at their specific level, but most of the time they can’t make the transition to a different level of play because of the ego the comes along with being in that position of power. Their egos won’t allow them to change how they deal with players. This is why college coaches don’t do well in the NBA. College coaches get used to micro-managing their players. If their players don’t listen they can yank their scholarship. An NBA coach can’t cancel a contract. And even if a coach could, do you get rid of LeBron for not listening to Mike Brown. A college coach’s job is to teach his players and get them to listen to him. They are much more involved that way. The NBA is a player’s league. A coach is there almost for suggestions. Usually NBA coaches implement their systems and let the players run it without too much over-coaching. This, to me, is why Phil Jackson is so great. His team plays his offense, but he lets them run it, drawing up plays only when its necessary. However, he does provide that one other aspect needed by an NBA coach. He can deal with the egos. He’s a psychological genius that can play mind games and gets his players to do what he wants. That’s why he’s successful, but that also doesn’t mean he’d be successful at the college level
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by vfettke on Apr 3, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Laimbeer might have a chance somewhere as vfettke says
Is he interested in NBA coaching? I don’t know why he’s never mentioned
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Apr 3, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wiz with Laimbeer as an assistant
Kind of like Ditka & Ryan from the Bears SuperBowl days. That might actually be fun to watch.
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by HighTops on Apr 3, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want another 1 and done coach.
And I have a feeling Whisenant would be such a coach.
by Aykis16 on Apr 3, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Maloofs can afford to not get an experienced coach
Here’s why:
Most likely whoever they sign will get a multi-year contract, like the one’s they are still paying for. They could sign a coach to a one year contract to save money if things don’t work out, but any good coach isn’t going to accept that, and I doubt any of the assistants we all like would want so little job security. The only 1 year deal that could feasibly happen is the Maloofs exercising Natt’s option, which isn’t likely. Plus, will the players really be confident in a guy management doesn’t have enough confidence in to give a good deal to? Doubtful.
So the Kings have to sign someone they are confident in to a multi-year deal. They have to know that he’ll do well and that they won’t be paying him to sit at home in the future. They’ll really have to take everything into consideration, not just whether they like the guys because he played in New Mexico. I really think this leaves the Whiz out of the picture simply because he’s too unproven for them to take the risk. If any coach fails they’ll be screwed. They’ve fired three coaches in 4 years. What happens if the coach they get sucks and they have to fire him. That’d be 4 coaches in 5 years. That’s utter turmoil for young players. Then again, our coach could suck and they could let him stay, which means the team would be terrible and players would probably start demanding trades. So, hiring an inexperienced coach really isn’t an option.
Now the question is, what coaches with NBA experience do they go after? Eddie Jordan is an obvious option. He’s a Petrie guy. This team plays amazingly well when they play the type of offense he’ll surely implement. However, he may be too expensive. Then again, he’s also a proven coach who will get wins and help turn the team around. They might not be able to afford to not get him. If the price really is an option they can always go after a top assistant, such as Tom Thibodeau or Mike Budenholzer. These guys are top assistants on championship level teams. Either could develop into a great head coach along with this team. But, despite their experience, neither of these two are proven. Being an assistant on a great team doesn’t mean you’ll cut it as a head coach, right Mark and PJ? This could still be too risky, but at the same time they’d be a fairly cheap risk.
As it stands, I think these are our three real options: Jordan, Thibodeau, and Budenholzer, with Budenholzer being the long shot.
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by vfettke on Apr 3, 2009 3:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Why no Flip?
Expensive, maybe. But should at least be part of the conversation.
by LPKingsFan on Apr 3, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
When it comes to cost, a good coach is really a bargain. Less than the mid-level with no cap space concerns. And he/she (see I have no gender bias!) can easily make that back by increasing wins. If the team even looks like it might have a chance at the playoffs in the next couple of years, ticket sales will immediately increase.
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by SavageBeast on Apr 3, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never been high on Flip
so I excluded him completely. I really think the most likely candidates are Jordan because he’s a Petrie guy that runs Petrie’s offense or Thibodeau because the Maloofs are fed up with our terrible defense.
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by vfettke on Apr 3, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warning to the Maloofs...
Do not become the Oakland Raiders. Do not become perceived as some crazy owners meddling in the important issues, thus causing all highly-qualified HC candidates to laugh whenever the 510 area code appears on the caller id. Stop the madness!
by StepUp on Apr 3, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If we hire another coach without significant NBA experience
So now I’m praying for the end of time
To hurry up and arrive
Cause if I gotta spend another minute with you
I don’t think that I can really survive
I’ll never break my promise or forget my vow
But God only knows what I can do right now
I’m praying for the end of time
It’s all that I can do
Praying for the end of time, so I can end my time with you!!!
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by SavageBeast on Apr 3, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
My problem with Whis
Is that he is a Maloof guy, and the past 5 years have shown us the Maloofs should not be the ones making basketball decisions. Plus, I just don’t think NBA players will respect a WNBA coach.
They tried it with Mike Cooper in Denver and ended up having to ditch him within a month for George Karl who at that time I didn’t think had any ounce of respect left for him in the league. Of course I’m making a huge generalization here, but I don’t think it’s really sexism on our part to not want a WNBA coach, it’s really more I don’t think the players will react well to a WNBA coach.
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Apr 3, 2009 5:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and I'm against hiring college and Euro coaches with zero NBA experience too.
So it’s not just a W thing.
Dip til I rip
by Muff209 on Apr 3, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off track but
How many wins per season can be attributed to a great x’s & o’s coach?
What’s more important, a coach who is respected ,or a coach who has a system and can teach it?
Do our rookies need to respect their coach to buy into his system, or are they so gung ho and willing to participate that they’ll follow anyone who can teach them how to play together?
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by HighTops on Apr 3, 2009 5:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A little of both really, especially on a young team
You really have to have both to have an impact on a team. You don’t need them both right away, though.
If you put a group of youngsters together and give them a coach who can implement a system and they can win with that system they will respect their coach and follow him. The coach’s x’s and o’s will earn him respect. Then he’ll have to maintain that respect.
If you put a group of youngsters together and give them a coach whom they know and respect as a good coach, they’re more likely to be open to his offensive/defensive system. The coach’s respect gets his system put into play. But the system has to work
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by vfettke on Apr 3, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I accept your analysis
However, IMO if a group of youngsters goes along and it doesn’t work. They still have to play within the system if they want PT. And, what young player doesn’t want PT. As long as the coach isn’t a lame duck on a short contract, the players have to respect he’s demands if they want to play.
Improvement, not always just winning, can be a motivator. The young guys aren’t stupid. If they see a light at the end of the tunnel, I believe they’ll follow any coach that has the backing of the FO.
As far as x’s & o’s, I was referring to the coaches ability to draw up plays to win games. I read somewhere on 82games or bbreference that last sec. shots to win games only occur about 30% of the time. And since few games are decided by less than 3 pts, maybe 15 per season, the coaches last min play probably only accounts for between 5 & 9 wins a season, tops. And, that’s if your team has a legitamate finisher, which we don’t seem to have as yet.
All of that said, I’ll take a coach who can teach our kids to play, over a guy that can handle NBA egos or draw up great game ending plays.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Apr 4, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
but:
I’ll take a coach who can teach our kids to play, over a guy that can handle NBA egos or draw up great game ending plays.
If you can’t handle NBA egos, can you teach NBA players?
Also, regarding the coach. It’s not just the last second shots, it’s the plays out of a time out, the half-time adjustments along with the handling of egos, motivating and teaching that make a great coach.
I think the coach can have a huge impact. Look at Adelman’s final season. We made the playoffs with basically the same roster that Muss and Reggie had poor seasons with.
I think if Adelman were still our coach, we’d have either made the playoffs in ‘06-’07 or been really close and been better last season and this. Now, that probably wouldn’t have been good for the rebuilding, but at least we’d have a system.
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by Kfan in Korea on Apr 4, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea,
I didn’t think about
it’s the plays out of a time out, the half-time adjustments along with the handling of egos, motivating and teaching that make a great coach.
As far as Adelman goes, I never felt that he was very patient with rookies. I doubt that he would have been good for this team. Especially earlier in the year before we dumped Brad and the rest of the gang. After the trade deadline, he’d have been forced to play JT & Hawes, but I doubt if Donte would have ever left the bench.
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by HighTops on Apr 4, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's true he never played rookies much during his stint here
once we were good. But, Peja got 20+ and JWill got 35+ minutes their rookie year and Hedo got 15+.
I also think he would have been more likely to be on the same page as GP and develop the youngsters once we were rebuilding, than our last 2 coaches were, since they were trying to win to save their jobs.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Apr 5, 2009 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True those rooks got some minutes but...
those teams were big winners and could afford to put some meaningful minutes with positive efforts and experienced high level teammates. As for JWill, I will answer with a trivia question: who was the starting PG before we drafted the West Virginia product as the No. 7 pick out of Florida?
Blowout minutes were also more plentiful – on the blowout-er side rather than the blowout-ee – but if Adelman had this team I agree they would win more and the games would be tighter and therefore less blowouts. (Wow! did i just use a run on sentence with the word blowout 4 times – don’t you just love the internet!).
by betweentheeyes on Apr 5, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adelman doesn't hate young players
Cmon now. Look at how much he’s played Brooks, Landry and Scola.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 5, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with Kfan and pookey
For example, whose minutes would you have given to Gerald Wallace? Peja’s? Hedo’s? C-Webb’s?
And as long as Petrie was bringing in veteran players like Jim Jackson, Jon Barry, Anthony Peeler, etc., Adelman would have been foolish not to utilize them.
I certainly agree that Adelman had the reputation of not playing youngsters. I just question how well deserved it was, considering the veteran depth that his teams always had.
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by section214 on Apr 5, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got a better question
Isn’t Phil Jackson saddled with the same reputation too?
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by pookeyguru on Apr 5, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To answer TZ's question: so again, if you reject Whisenant out of hand, would you support the hire of any college or European coach without NBA coaching experience?
If Geoff Petrie is picking that coach, yes I would welcome a European, College or WNBA coach (in that order). IF that coach is John Whisenant – no, no and Hell NO!
That being said, I agree with all saying that three strikes you’re out – get an experienced former Head Coach or coveted Asst who can bring a reputable coaching staff in with them.Coachie don’t count because it sounds like he will be here next season no matter who is brought in.
by betweentheeyes on Apr 3, 2009 9:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"last summer (when it became apparent his grating egotism had alienated the team's best player..".
I thought it was Petrie not Theus who pissed Artest off.
by passionforPERPS on Apr 3, 2009 11:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To Answer TZ's question: Would John Whisenant Really Be the Worst Thing in the World?
No, the worst thing in the world, would be to bring back Natt.
The Second worst thing in the world would be Whiz. Not because he coached women or that he has no NBA experience.
The reason is the same for both Natt & Whis. The next coach needs to teach, mold , & build, 5 young 1st round lottery picks into Champions. And that’s going to take time. He’s going to need the backing of the FO & the owners. That means a guarenteed long term contract, 3 or 4 years at least.
The Kings can’t continue to had out 1 year contracts with an option for a second yr. And, their not going to give Natt or Whiz a 4 yr contract. You get an experienced NBA head coach that can teach young players, or an experienced assistant NBA coach and insist that he has an assistant with some head coaching experience. You give them a long contract, so that they don’t have to keep looking over their shoulder. Then you let them play, teach, & develop the young talent.
Your going to ask the players to buy into any system the new coach puts in. Why should the FO & Owners be asked to buy in too.
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by HighTops on Apr 4, 2009 6:57 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
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by Kfan in Korea on Apr 4, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
once again
HighTops FTW. Rec’d.
Cohesion produces winners. And turning from losers to competitors to contenders takes time. I will add that the fan base also has to buy in to the new and improved product as well – winning will do that but as HT points out this is a multi-season process.
Adding an impressive 10+ wins a year means that it will take at least 3 seasons for our Sacramento Kings to scrap for a 8th place finish in the Western Conference using this season as an example (26,36,46…).
by betweentheeyes on Apr 5, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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