Shock & (H)Awe

by need20wins on Apr 6, 2009 7:38 PM PDT

Spencer Hawes has a lot of weapons in his arsenal, and Jason Thompson is pretty much instant offense as of late, so why does Kenny Natt insist on keeping them on the bench during the final few minutes of close games? I don't understand why he wants to play small ball, with Nocioni at the 5 or the 4. Keeping JT and Hawes in has lots of advantages, such as Hawes ability to shoot the 3 ball and JT always going for the offensive glass and put backs. What do you all think?

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He isn't a very good coach.

Hope

by Ultrakingsfan on Apr 6, 2009 7:48 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs

+1

’nuff said

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- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Apr 6, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions

cuz hes trying

to get griffin duh foo…jk or am i???

by shadowchicken on Apr 7, 2009 3:27 AM PDT reply actions

Secret obvious tanking plan?

by mayfieldcol on Apr 7, 2009 9:55 AM PDT reply actions

Shutting down Kevin Martin

is the most personally upsetting thing that could happen for me.

Just play Martin, Cisco, Hawes, JT and Greene forty minutes a piece, and I’m happy.

Seriously. It’s not like that could even be considered tanking, because that’s our best friggin lineup (yeah, yeah… exchange Greene for Noc, but if anybody could use an early vacation, it is most def Noc).

C’mon. somebody make it happen.

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by iashwash on Apr 7, 2009 3:58 PM PDT reply actions

I personally think that the Kings should rest Martin & Cisco on road games.

If we inflict pain on a prisoner it’s called torture. If we ask a star player to play through pain, it’s called being a man. 75 games is enough already. Martin ends up limping in almost every game. Cisco can’t make it through a game without experiencing pain from his broken hand.

Our fans bought tickets to see our players, so if they can play at home for these last 2 weeks, great. But, I’m not going to be any less proud of them for the effort they put out this year if the sit out a couple of meaningless games.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Apr 7, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions

It's been a tough year for everyone surrounding the Kings

Hopefully it brings the tidings of cheer ( a top draft pick), and improvement on the sideline ranks. This team has had a rotten year from beginning to end, and even though rebuilding is often a very painful process, this has been downright awfully atrocious all year long.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions

My want for Kevin Martin to play

has something to do with me hoping he’ll put up fifty in each of the last five games. Completely irrational, but it’d be sweet.

Greene, Thompson and Hawes, however, should be playing 48 minutes.

Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
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by iashwash on Apr 7, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions

Why not just hope for 53 mins while you're at it?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions

Thompson / 48 minutes

How many fouls are you going to give him?

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by section214 on Apr 7, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Good call

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by pookeyguru on Apr 7, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions

No,no

The problem is a bunch of BAD calls.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Apr 10, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions

Maybe so

I’m glad he’s getting the rookie calls this year when it doesn’t really matter. Maybe he can also learn to overcome his propensity for fouling when he’s tired.

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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 10, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions

or falling on the floor everytime he goes to the rim

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Apr 10, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions

But if you look at JT

After he commits the foul, he gives that wide-eyed “who me? I never touched the guy” stare.

What i’d like to see is a guy who goes, “yeah, I smacked him right upside the head. It was a foul. It was meant to be a foul. And if he tries to drive in the paint again, I’m gonna foul him again.”

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by LeaguePassAddict on Apr 10, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions

Whoa, are we having a bad day?

Hitting someone in the head is only exceptable on NCIS.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Apr 10, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

LOL HT

She’s PMS’ing again. What’s really unfortunate is that she’s also in Utah making the pain double the fun.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 11, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions

Good point.

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by iashwash on Apr 7, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions

27 fouls

and forearm pads. Like shinguards in soccer so he can hack-a-dude with impunity.

by mayfieldcol on Apr 8, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions

I think you should be able to borrow fouls

If JT gets called for a foul he can borrow one from any player on the floor.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Apr 8, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions

I like it

Suddenly Martin’s soft defense would become an asset in the form of several unused fouls.

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by section214 on Apr 8, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions

That would take hake-a-shaq

to a whole new level. And it opens another school of thought. Wouldn’t you have to drop the number of fouls permitted to each player? Wouldn’t there have to be a cap on how many times you can do this? Could you do it with Tech’s too? That would be loads of fun. Let’s play "How many times can Hawes imitated the “Brad Miller, ‘Someone just jacked my ice cream, ref’ look”, then whine about a call, get t’d and pin it on K-9 (woof!).

Here’s to rational arguement pookey

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by killerking on Apr 8, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions

No Tech's would be charge to the coaching staff

That’s why we have so many assistant coaches, each is allowed 2 tech’s before he is sent to the locker room for a soda pop & a jacuuzi.

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by HighTops on Apr 9, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions

Killerking, I'm wondering

are you LDS?

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by submison on Apr 9, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions

I have been extremely puzzled by Hawes not playing at the end of games

Spencer has repeatedly shown that he has the ability to be a clutch player. The most recent example was his play in the 3 OT GSW game but he was clutch in several other games as well. It seems like you’d a guy like to be getting even more experience in clutch situations. But then, I’m not an NBA head coach so what the natt (wtn) do I know?

by hozr on Apr 7, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions

True dat

Hawes, JT, Greene should be in 97% of the time. So my question is, can we maybe package Noc with our rockets pick to maybe move up to get Lawson?? Because Griffin, JT, Greene, k-mart, Lawson with Cico and Hawes off the bench, talk about strong starting 7 yeah?

by shadowchicken on Apr 7, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions

I think

Griffin plays PF to Hawes’ Center and Griffin plays PF to JT’s Center – and Hawes and JT play as usual.

Great threesome though

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Apr 8, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions

This situation

is really only the only downside to drafting Griffin. How to make the three lottery picks work in a rotation. We all think Griffin is the best player, but I cannot see a good way of handling the situation without ending up with one player wanting off the team immediately. Still more talent is never better than less talent.

by mayfieldcol on Apr 8, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions

Best threesome since...

Justin Williams!

by batso on Apr 8, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Oh - you didn't!

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Apr 8, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions

Not sure which teams might consider Noc & his contract a Plus

Also, taking Noc means the team would have $7M in cap space & be willing to use it for Noc.

It’s going to take a 11-15 pick to get one of the good 2nd tier PG’s. But, the only reasonably price talent that we have to trade is Donte. Which isn’t going to happen, based on his improving defense and potential. Most likely senerio, is we trade our Houston pick with a future 2nd rounder.

While we’re dreaming, our 2010 1st & 2nd rounders without restrictions for Washington’s 2009 1st. We get Griffin & Rubio.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Apr 8, 2009 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions

Curious about Lawson

He’s clearly a leader on the floor, but that shot is ugly. Is he a diamond in the rough, or Mateen Cleaves II??

by otis29 on Apr 8, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions

We'll find out eventually

Cuz right now, I don’t think anybody knows that answer.

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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 8, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions

Shot is ugly?

Isn’t he hitting 42% from 3 this year or something?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Apr 8, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions

Not talking about his percentage

Just the shot itself…looks uglier than heck.

by otis29 on Apr 8, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions

He's a lot faster than Cleaves

But Cleaves has a better smile.

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by section214 on Apr 8, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions

KMs shot looooks bad

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Apr 8, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions

So does Jason Kidd's

What’s your point?

by otis29 on Apr 8, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions

I suspect a point will emerge about PG's and how a shot looks soon

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 8, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions

results, I'm talking about results

42% from 3 makes me not care what it looks like before it hits the net.

If it works – whats the point of talking about it as if it was a negative part of his game?
(and I’m not even lobbying for him)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Apr 9, 2009 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions

42% from college three

Doesn’t guarantee NBA shooting success. And the man doesn’t take a ton of threes, so his percentage smells of small sample size.

Look, all I said is that his shot was ugly. I didn’t say it wouldn’t translate to the NBA, just asking the question.

Honestly, I like Lawson, but how about taking a crack at the actual point of my post instead of gnawing at one tiny part you didn’t like?

by otis29 on Apr 9, 2009 3:24 AM PDT up reply actions

Fine, you're right

(your question felt a bit negatively loaded somehow)

But all you have to work with – is what you have to work with.

He’s a leader, he’s quick, he can hit the shots, pretty good defender against some of the elite college PGs. The only real worry is ideal height(?) and as section pointed out he measured 3/4 taller than Westbrook last year at pre-draft camps.

We can only measure him against what we have – and he has succeeded very well – you never know for sure but he seems like an NBA PG of some quality to me.
All that said, unless we swing another pick somehow, we won’t get a chance to draft the guy anyway (I don’t believe)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Apr 9, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions