2009 StR Community Draft Board: Pick #5
Blake Griffin and Ricky Rubio are on the board at No. 1a and 1b. Brandon Jennings is on the board at No. 3. Tyreke Evans wins the No. 4 slot. You can see the board's top five in the left sidebar.
Reminder: THIS IS NOT A MOCK DRAFT. This is draft board, a list with the order of prospects you'd like to see the Kings pick. In other words, if we were the Kings front office, when our pick came up, we'd take the top name left on our board. So pick your choice, not who you think Petrie or anyone else would choose in a slot.
Explain your choice in the comments, and lobby for who should be added to the next pick's choices. Poll will remain open until 8 AM PDT on Tuesday.
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I went with Thabeet here
I just couldn’t find anyone at #5 that didn’t have holes or questions. Prior to the NCAA tourney I would have said Harden, but he really looked bad. Lawson is interesting but a tad small, and I couldn’t pick Curry yet, in spite of Exhibit G’s marvelous and sensible argument.
Thabeet is 7-3, and he looks to be a pretty decent athlete. We’ve talked about what a Tyson Chandler or a Samuel Dalambert might do for the KIngs – Thabeet could be that kind of guy.
And before we begin to dismiss this draft board process because we are now outside of the top four and not yet to #23, there is always at least a slight chance that we might trade up or down.
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by section214 on May 11, 2009 8:20 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Ditto
My reasoning exactly. The chance of Thabeet being a boon to the Kings is higher than for the others. As with Griffin, we could figure out a three-big rotation that works.
I think that's true if you're OKC
I fail to see how that would work if you’re the Kings. This team is missing a franchise player; not role players who could augment that said player.
OKC is one team in the lottery that fits the Thabeet bill to a T.
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And while I realize that's not your point 214
My point is simple: The Kings need to come away with a franchise player; not a role player who could augment one. That’s why I’m not high on Thabeet.
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Understood
But we’re talking the 5th pick here. I don’t see an apparent “franchise player” left on the board. So I’m opting for the guy that I like the best, a guy that I think could be a solid contributor for a long time.
But I fully understand anyone that wouldn’t want to take him here. Height has a tendency to go too soon (as opposed to too late) in the draft.
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Going Ty Lawson here
Thabeet just isn’t what he needs to be for me to consider him a realistic or viable option. I would rather have a PG at the top (or Blake Griffin) and roll the dice on a big with the 23rd/31st overall picks.
Lawson is put here because size to me isn’t the issue here. It’s more about need, and what the Kings need more. They need Lawson more than Thabeet. (I usually vote BPA and I think it’s still Lawson.)
Lawson’s size doesn’t concern me because he has longer arms that minimize his height (about 5’11), and his reach is equivalent to a guy 6’1. It’s not everything of course, but Lawson is very very very good too. Hard for me to ignore.
Need is just not the issue I have with this draft. Drafting the best available player should always be the goal. The Kings just happen to need guys who can block shots, play post defense, and run the team at the PG. Good draft to have a high pick in a “weak” draft.
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Went with Curry, natch
I considered Lawson and Thabeet as well. I’m still not sold on Thabeet as a top-5 pick. 6-10 seems more appropriate. Just a gut call.
As a Tarheel fan, I really like Lawson. I could see him go at 5 and not be surprised or upset at all.
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Harden
I went with Harden here. If we’re trying to draft a star, regardless of position, I think Harden is the best player still on the board. I met him in an airport and he’s a nice kid. After that I paid a lot more attention to him. He’s got a ton of skill and can really run a team.
Harden might be the sleeper star of the draft
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Better as a fascilitator though
He ran their offense a good amount of the time. But yes, i agree that he scores like gordon. He’s bigger than gordon though.
I think you could see OKC make a play for Washington's pick
If they end up with the 5th pick in the draft.
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I think OKC would
be happy with either Harden or Thabeet. Both are rare talents and fill positions of need for that team.
Yep yep
I wouldn’t be surprised if Washington falls that OKC tries to use some of their salary space to get a high pick from Washington. (That would mean likely taking on an Etan Thomas though.)
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They're going to cut salary
Or they’re going to try to anyway. But then again, they maybe might not. It’s going to be hard to find takers. Every other team is trying to do the same thing.
(I think people have really ignore the effect Jason Levien has had on this team financially. That’s a mistake.)
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If Washington can't find takers for Etan Thomas
Can’t they just use the Allan Houston rule on him to stay out of the lux tax? Why would they give up on that high of a pick to keep Etan Thomas?
It was the "Jerome Williams" rule actually
Because Allan Houston ended up being medically retired. But to answer your question, no the Wizards can’t do that with Thomas because it was a one time deal. It could only be done in 2005. And the “actual” term for that was “”http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q18" >luxury tax amnesty".
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Crap
Here’s the coon to Link’s FAQ.
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:)
What can I say? I’m an idiot….
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Thanks Pook
Didn’t realize that that was a one-time deal. Although it does make you wonder if they won’t open it up again if the salary cap and lux tax go down, given the amount of teams ahem in hot water financially.
It's not in any teams best interest to do that
Remember, the non luxury tax paying teams are getting a slice of that money (1/30 of the share—the remaining shares get sent to the NBA league office or divided up equally amongst the non-tax paying teams). Teams look at the luxury tax as a huge way to increase their overall bottom line (the Kings are no different).
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I say
leave the teams who didn’t earn the worst record in the league to fight over these scraps.
But seriously, I’d take Thabeet here.
LOL @ that
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Thabeet
You can’t have too much size. What are you going to do when Thompson and Hawes get in foul trouble. No, Diogu is not the answer.
There's 4 players that I waffled between
Thabeet, Lawson, Curry, and Harden.
Curry and Harden are scorers, plain and simple. Harden would have to be a backup in our system for now though unless we wanted to move K-Mart to the 3 which I wouldn’t. I could see the Timberwolves taking Harden above Rubio though. That would be like keeping their OJ Mayo pick from last year. Curry on the other hand, shoots. And while not a bad thing, I would prefer to get a better distributor in the draft.
Thabeet has the potential to be the league leader in blocks and boards while averaging 10-12 points a game. But I’m just not sold on him. Especially after watching DeJuan Blair (who I’m actually starting to like a bit and might not mind taking him at 23 if we get Rubio) absolutely destroy him. The big men in this league are way more fierce than DeJuan Blair and the scouts will know that Thabeet’s weakness will be to relentlessly attack him, unless he gets tougher and doesn’t just rely on his height for defense.
So I went with Lawson, which sort of surprised me. But he really impressed me in the tournament and I think at this point he’s the best player available. He’s a very well-rounded player, but unfortunately is a little small so we’ll see how that turns out.
Blair isn't dropping to 23
You might have to settle for Jarvis Varnado. (That’s who I’m hoping for I think.)
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Staying
In school. Wow this draft is insanely weak for bigs.
by Nick the Quick on May 12, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Where is the "Curry can't distribute" sentiment coming from?
The guy averaged 1.7 more assists per game than Evans.
I think Curry’sbetter than you all have given credit for. The guy single-handedly carried his team through 2 seasons.
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by PhutureKings on May 11, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Voted for Curry
But I don’t see many reason why we should trade down a Rubio/Griffin/Jennings/Evans pick
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Go Kings!
I don't get that either
The Kings desperately need a franchise talent. Hasheem Thabeet is not that guy. Neither is Ty Lawson, even though he’s likely to be very good at this next level.
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James Harden
You guys are sleeping on this guy. Thabeet is a ROLE player. You don’t take a role player with a top 5 pick.
It’s a three horse race.
1) Griffin
2) Rubio
3) Evans
Jennings will bust.
I put Harden 4th.
I would consider Thabeet from 6th and on, but think he’ll go 3rd or 4th as some team will want that BIG to anchor their defense(which is something the Kings definitely could use)…just not with THIS year’s LOTTO pick.
What do you base your assessment of Jennings on?
Harden couldn’t step up in the tourney, so hasn’t he displayed more of a bust potential?
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by PhutureKings on May 11, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Jrue Holiday
The best defender at this spot..he has all the tools to be a great player.
Westbrook 2.0. Why wouldn’t you want him?? Sure, he’s raw, but that just means we’ll have ping pong balls next year too, then explosion of awesomness the year after
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Uhm, no.
Jrue Holiday was not a lock-down defender at UCLA – he’s not even CLOSE to the level Westbrook, Afflalo, or Mbah A Moute were at defensively in college.
I still believe Jrue has a massive amount of potential, but saying he is a great defender simply is not true. He got torched by scrubs all season, and was pulled out of games on multiple occasions because Coach Howland had to try to slow down the guys he was assigned to defend by putting in raw freshman such as Malcolm Lee in his place. If Jrue is the “best defender at this spot”, I’d hate to see the other guys playing defense.
I didn't watch many UCLA games this year
Just a couple in the tournament. Jrue just looked really fluid in the way he moved around the court. I’m basing my defense analysis on websites like espn, draftexpress, etc that all mention defense as his number 1 quality. And I’m not a Thabeet fan
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accord to chad ford..
on the espn mock draft.. Holliday “plays terrific defense.” However, he also has him being drafted around 10th
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Don't believe him.
Holiday got torched by almost every decent guard he faced. I can only remember one game from the entire season that he slowed a quality player down – USC’s Derozan.
With that said, Westbrook wasn’t even a ‘terrific defender’ as a freshman, so I wouldn’t be shocked if Holiday was able to improve significantly in the future.
At this point
You have to draft for best available player. Thabeet and Harden are the two best I believe, with Harden becoming a better pro and being able to contribute out of the gate. So I went with Harden.
Im still sticking with the belief Thabeet will be one of the busts in this years draft.
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It seems rare
That huge dudes aren’t busts. Even Oden, who was considered one of the few “CANT BUST” big men in a long time is having a pretty hard time. Yao is a pretty damn good player, but he gets injured every damn year. I wouldn’t want to have to be Houston and have my prospects of a championship rest on Yao staying healthy. Even if Thabeet fully lived up to his potential, which is highly unlikely, he’d still have to avoid injury, which is about equally as unlikely. Also see: Bynum, Andrew
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How about
Howard, Dwight? Or Duncan, Tim? Or Webber, Chris? Or Garnett, Kevin? Or O’Neal, Shaquille? Also, this was Oden’s rookie year. Dude may look 40, but he’s only 21.
Per Holiday, I liked him a lot early in the year, but he seemed to regress as the season went along (and I am a huge Bruins fan that watched a lot of their games). I would love to see him somehow wind up in a Kings uni, but I can’t justify selecting him this high based on the performance of Russell Westbrook.
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I think Howard was seen as a risk, too
Athletic as hell, but raw.
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I dont know
Howard was a sure bet, Bynum was a risk.
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Howard
Wasn’t a consensus number 1 pick. A lot of people thought that Orlando should have drafted Okafor, and nobody knew who they were taking until the pick was announced.
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This is true
And Howard was seen as a risk. But he was definitely thought of a hell of a lot more highly than Thabeet
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Agreed
We’re also not talking about taking Thabeet with the #1 pick.
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I would rather have Okafor than Thabeet
And I would most definitely rather have Howard than Griffin. Now, would I rather have Okafor than Griffin? I’m thinking probably yes.
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I'd take Griffin
Although its close to a push. But I think our franchise needs a hell of a lot more than Okafor to be in business again. And hopefully we get a player that pushes us in that direction in the draft.
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Which is why I want Rubio
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by lietothegirls on May 11, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
All of the pundits
Said Charlotte was extremely lucky that Orlando passed on Okafor and that he was a great building block for them to start their franchise with.
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I'm not a Thabeet fan but he's built more like Dwight Howard than like Yao
What I mean by that is that he has a well muscled athletic build, he’s a runner not a plodder. His build is kind of what JT’s would be like if you added 4 or 5 inches.
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I remember..
Reading a comment from Geoff Petrie a long time ago, right before the draft where he drafted J-Will… They were asking about his job security if the pick sucked. And he said “I don’t think it really matters how the player turns out. If the player turns into an All Star and we are the worst team in the league, I’ll be fired. If he is a bust but we make the playoffs then I’ll be safe.” Something to that effect.
But it is the same now…. We need players to play together, not necessarily the one that will be an allstar.
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I disagree with the sentiment you make at the end
But I agree with Petrie’s point. You can rebound from a draft pick that doesn’t work. (It did, but that’s besides the point.) You can’t rebound from a team that consistently loses.
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Bibby
was never an all star, but was arguably the second most important player in our glory days. Same argument could be made for Vlade.
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You won't ever find much Bibby love coming from me
Once he signed his big deal, he just wasn’t the same player.
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As far as what the Kings need from the draft
They need a player who can become a franchise player, or the player that could come close to that. I don’t think that player is Thabeet, but if Petrie thinks it is, he should take him.
If that player is Brandon Jennings, than take him. Ditto with Rubio, Evans, or Griffin. You must grab a franchise player (or something very very close) if you want to have a competitive team in the future.
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why are we voting for the 5th pick if he lowest we’re getting is 4?
by UCIrvine kings fan on May 11, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions
i should probably start reading before i post. thanks.
by UCIrvine kings fan on May 11, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
You should read what a community draft board is
But simply, it’s what you think the best player for the Kings would be at the 5th pick in the draft if they were there. (They won’t be, but it’s always a slim possibility that the Kings might trade down.)
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Yeah that's a possibility too
I’m not as discouraged by wherever the Kings land because there’s always a possibility the Kings could snare that pick someway somehow anyway. One way or the other, armed with a top 4 pick means the KIngs are getting a high quality player regardless. If they get a top 2 pick, they’re likely to get a franchise player they want unless they want Griffin for absolute certain. (Which, I do not think is absolute.)
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When Beno Udrih is your starter, I think it’s safe to say you need a pg.
by Linix129 on May 11, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions
And some TUMS
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by section214 on May 11, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I always wanted to know what Beno spelled
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This isn't working for me
You can see the board’s top five in the left sidebar.
All I see in the sidebar is
#1: VOTE NOW!
See Full Board
“Vote Now!” takes me to the 1st vote’s comments page and
“See Full Board” take me to a list of “post headers” for each pick so far and all the picks from last season.
You can’t tell who won without clicking thru to each page and looking at the vote results.
I don’t think this is the effect TZ was shooting for.
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I would bet that after a certain number get put up
He will start entering them on the sidebar.
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I voted Jrue
Mostly because DThorpe gushed about him on his latest ESPN Thread
and
I really like his name.
I just don’t see it for Thabeet. Sam Dalembert, DeSagna Diop, Saer Sene, Dikembe Motumbo – I have no idea – his aggressiveness and lack of BB IQ is worrisome to me. Not this year, not this draft, please. Harden has been consistently ranked high all year long and only hurt by his NC2A performance.
The timetable is May 19th and then workouts workouts workouts. Let Mr. Petrie do what Mr. Petrie do best. Predicting his choice after Griffin and Rubio is like picking the winner of the Kentucky Derby.
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