I just spent the day with [Blake Griffin] in San Francisco on Monday. All I can say is wow. The physical tools are amazing and the workout he goes through everyday is the most grueling I've ever seen. Griffin looks like he's training to be a Navy SEAL. However, what was really impressive was the basketball part with former Spurs head coach Bob Hill. He's much more skilled offensively than you think. Excellent ball handler and nice stroke with some three point range. And he's a nice, grounded kid with a very cool family. I was super impressed.
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I know I've argued it before
But its not just the skills that make a SuperStar – its the work ethic, the desire to outwork everybody else, on the floor, in the weight room. He has all the right signs.
This is why he’s #1 with a bullet.
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LTTG, 's what I've been saying since we started talking about the draft in late Dec/early Jan
it’s somewhat indefinable but whatever “it” is, Blake Griffin has got “it”. I will take superior work ethic,attitude and coachability every time over superior athletic skills and and a bad attitude. When you combine an awesome attitude with superior physical skills you end up with a franchise player and you end up with Blake Griffin who I very much hope becomes our franchise player.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
I can't say anything negative about the guy,
and if we had a decent point guard I pick him #1 no questions asked. I still prefer Rubio but feel either one adds a lot to the Kings.
The big question is combining picks 1-4 and 23. If we pick Griffin we still have access to some quality point guard “prospects” at 23. If we pick Rubio I think our PG dilemmas are solved but our selections at the 23 spot seem less enticing.
Does Rubio go through workouts as well? I realize he is still playing ball but wasn’t sure when their season ended.
by nothingbutnet on May 12, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
No decent big men available later in the draft
none
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say that
Petrie has said the draft is deep with 4’s. And there are players if you look for them that might work. The Kings aren’t badly in need of another C with JT & Shawes on the roster. They both are more than capable C’s at the very worst.
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JT can play C, but right now he's better at PF
No matter who fills the PF spot (Griffin, Ike, #23 pick), we’re still going to need another Big. Considering the financial implecations, I see the Kings signing a Vet Center to a Vet Min Contract, maybe even Booth. Calvin did a reasonably good job in limited minutes, at both ends of the court.
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Yeah Booth is a reasonable possibility
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would have no problem with signing him for he vets minimum
He seems like a genuine nice guy who wouldn’t mind helping the young kids but will also be ready when his number is called
My friend and former Stanford forward Taj Finger worked out with Blake
in SF last spring/summer. I’ll have to see if I can get ahold of the guy and see if he’ll give us a scouting report on Blake. From what I recall, Taj frequently referred to Blake as “a beast,” among other things. I know they were doing some intense running drills in the sand… Taj borrowed one of our other roommate’s cars and got sand everywhere. Typical.
Can you imagine what we'd be like
if that work / weight room ethic rubbed off on Shawes and JT?
( I know they work hard already but…)
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There'd defnitely be some friendly competition
which is never a bad thing
as much as I love Rubio, a three man backcourt of those three is really sexy
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I'd prefer them in the front court but that's just me ;p
With the fourth pick of the draft the kings select...
right!
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
so let me get this straight
you are saying that Blake Griffin, the consensus # 1 draft pick can’t play the point?
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Very good point
I was thinking the same thing: having all three of these guys may sharply improve their learning curve. it would definitely add even more competitiveness to the already competitive Shawes and JT (I really don’t think Hawes was working that hard till JT came, but that’s just me).
Spencer came into the predraft camps with a 13% body fat
that was one of the highest on the list that I saw. He tooks Shapiro’s diet and workout suggestions very seriously. No fast food for Spencer. Don’t know what his body fat is now, but at the end of the season, he looked thinner and was more active than ever before. Of the three young guys, I think Spencer has taken to the task of conditioning his body better than JT & DG. Especially, when you read about their eating habits on Twitter.
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by HighTops on May 12, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was just going to mention that
I follow JT, Donte and Blake Griffin on twitter and while JT and Donte are bragging about cheese steaks, pizza and lounging on the beach, Blake Griffin barely has time to write only saying “just finished workout 13 for the day, have 10 minutes until I start workout 14”.
I have visions of our front line resembling Oliver Miller and Hot Plate Williams next year.
by Travis Mays Hayes on May 12, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Donte & JT aren't selling their services to anybody
Blake Griffin is. It isn’t in his best interest to act like he will lay on the beach.
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isn’t in his best interest
but it also may not be in his nature either.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Whats twitter? :)
I’m old, still haven’t taken the leap into the newest ‘thing’.
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
There's a Blake Griffin twitter thread
That will help you understand it better.
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JT just finished a long NBA season
He played more than double, and close to triple the games that Griffin did. His body will need time to recover.
Now Donte should be in the gym obsessing about his game. But, he’s probably not. Blake Griffin does all that which is great. I have no problem with any of it truthfully.
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Maybe you need to read some more
Thompson has posts almost every day mentioning working out. Donte has been taking a vacation and just came back to Sac. I’m sure we’ll see more posts from him about workouts
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Travis, did you ask the question that elicited this response on Ford's chat?
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
This is a good sign
nice stroke with some three point range
Don’t need 3 point range, but a consistent 17-18 foot jumper is important.
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No 3's please!
beat’em up at the rim – thats what we’d draft him for.
Yes, good to know he’ll probably develop a nice shot when he needs it.
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless he becomes a truly dominant face up player
He won’t dominate the interior. NBA players are just too good for him to even remotely think he can do what he did at Oklahoma.
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All I can tell you Pook is that if we draft Griffin I'm going to be the biggest Griffin homer in the world
Same goes for Rubio.
Oh yeah, Ike too.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
And
I’m going to be happy if Petrie selects him. It means I will have been badly wrong, and nobody will be happier than me about that.
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OK - its making me nuts
I just tried for the 1st time to paste a pic into a comment – and no go!
Whats the trick?
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HIt the tree icon
And post the url in where the line says to.
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I can't just paste from a photo file?
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Got it - thanks
On the Jordan thread – you’ll hate it
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
sibling rivalry goes a long way
having a great player for an older brother near the same age can really get you motivated. As for the soft hands, anyone who watched him reel in some incredibly tricky passes down low and then the footwork to finish… it is a known commodity.
Question
Let’s say we get the #1 pick. Let’s say by the time the draft comes around Blake Griffin looks so good that we can’t pass him up. We still badly need a point guard. You might even say that if you add Blake Griffin and a promising point guard to this team, we instantly go from being the league joke to being one of the league’s more interesting and potential-filled teams.
So, if this draft is deep with decent lottery-range point guards, as it appears to be, should we maybe be thinking about doing whatever it takes to get a second lottery pick to grab the point guard we want? I think I’d even be willing to trade Martin if it meant we could get Griffin and potentially our “point guard of the future” (if that’s even possible; I’m not sure if there’s still Base Year Whatever issues with Martin’s contract).
I’d say I’m more-or-less a K-Mart fan and I appreciate the fact that he’s one of the more talented and unique scorers in the league, but I think I’d be willing to give up his sure-thing scoring for a team with Griffin, Hawes, Shock, Garcia, and Nocioni, plus the potential of a stud point guard and the potential of Donte Greene. Otherwise, we have pretty much the same thing that got us 17 wins this season: a few players that everyone’s excited about, but no one to run the show and no team chemistry.
We could hope to land our point guard in next year’s draft or in free agency, but there’s no sure thing that it would work out that way and even if it did then that means he’d be a year behind. I think if the opportunity is there to grab Griffin and a good point guard this year, you do it even if it means giving up Martin (or Garcia plus the 23rd pick, or whatever it would take), I say you get it done now and feel pretty good about this team moving forward. Plus, I don’t know if Martin’s stock is going to get any higher, especially if the injury crap continues.
by AnotherStupidSN on May 12, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions
Martin stops becoming BYC (base year compensated) on June 30th this year
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My thoughts
I disagree. I think that without Martin we struggle. It can easily be argued that a healthy Martin adds 5-10 wins this past season. You add either Griffin or Rubio to the mix, and I think we see a significant improvement.
Sticking with your plan though, if we land Griffin, we would still need another PG. I’d say we look for a PG at 23 (or the BPA. Always go BPA) or 31. If Petrie is enamored with a guard higher in the draft, try to package 23 and 31 to move up.
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Moving up to get two lottery picks
I wonder how high we could get if we put in any combo of our 23rd, 31st, and players beside JT, Hawes, and Martin (I’m thinking Greene).
I’d love to get:
Lawson at 8 or below,
Holiday or Earl Clark (non-PG) at 10 or below,
or Flynn at 12 or below.
Oh man
It makes me friggin giddy to think of getting two lottery picks and making them count. Of course, I’m guessing Petrie would surprise us with the second, as he will with our 23rd and 31st, otherwise.
martin haters desist.
the man was playing on a bum leg, he didnt have lateral movement for shit, let him get rested and see how he does. I for one have images of how flat out dominant he was coming off this summer at IMG, dunking on fools all OVER the place. a lot of people want to criticize his defense, but you try defending the SG position (the most prolific scoring position) every night on ONE LEG and see how you do.
fah!
Hey
I know I’m guilty for just being part of this thread, but I said BESIDES MARTIN (and JT and Hawes. that is unless we could get Rubes and Grif—then I’d trade Martin.
And I think you are right, I should not even be allowed to play in the NBA with two good legs, let alone deal with the problems that Martin had. That’s your point, right?
Maybe we can jump into the top 8 with some combo of players
and get Curry who would be a great Princeton PG. We’d have to get ahead of the Knicks in the draft, because they apparently want Curry. Our lineup could look like this:
Curry/Beno
Martin/Garcia
Nocioni/Garcia
Griffin/JT
Hawes/JT/Griffin
Isn’t the starting five with Cisco and JT off the bench pretty tough once they develop?
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Curry and Griffin wouldn't have to develop
to score. As for the D
that lineup would have some work to do. I think we may need to move someone eventually for a real defensive stopper at the 3.
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Saw a trade on realgm
that had Kings sending #23 and #31 to the Bucks for Ridnour’s expiring, Alexander, and #10. Bucks would be able to re-sign Sessions and Villanueva, and Kings get a second lotto pick. If Curry or Lawson is there at 10, I strongly consider it.
Who else is in the deal?
Cuz that’s not likely to work with all the money involved. In fact, I know it won’t work.
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My assumption was that
after July 1, we’d be able to absorb the salary of Ridnour and Alexander once we renounce Diogu and McCants. What numbers are you looking at?
The numbers in my head told me that (Well other than being a close & personal friend of God that is)
I don’t look at any rumors I don’t make up. Many are flat out wrong, and others are just stupid and I refuse to acknowledge stupidity. Too much of that in America as is.
Let’s say this deal goes down. Let’s assume for the moment that the salary cap stays the same (58.68 mil) because the LeBron-Kobe finals is a fantastic 7 game series that makes so much money it single handely changes the NBA’s financial outlook.
According to ShamSports (whose salary I prefer to almost anybody elses—Sham is the same as DX), Ridnour will make 6.5 million next year, and Alexander will make 2.58 million. That’s 9 million dollars without the 10th pick included, and that salary slot will be (if you add the 20% which most teams do with a lottery pick unless they’re very stupid), will be about 2.17 million (with the 20% included). You’re talking 11.1 million the Kings are taking back before giving including the 23rd and 31st overall pick.
The 31st overall pick is easy to calculate because all 2nd round picks cost the same. That’s likely to be around 450K, but to be safe, let’s make it 500K for shits & giggles.
The 23rd overall pick (and these aren’t always slotted—for instance Donte Greene isn’t getting that 20%) without the 20% is 972.5 K. So, in essence the Kings would be taking close to 10 million in salary back with salary room they dont’ have. Remember, you have to factor in the top pick the Kings get, and if the Kings get the 4th overall pick, I can’t imagine why they would even CONSIDER this deal.
This doesn’t include the salary cap going down (which many people have estimated that it will), and this doesn’t include the fact that the Kings with a higher salary slot won’t have the salary to actually absorb that type of increase. That doesn’t even mention the fact that this deal doesn’t make sense from a basketball perspective.
You want to bring in weak ass stupid Real GM deals all day you can. I will keep swatting them out like I’m David Robinson. Get that shit outta Mr Robinson’s house boy!
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True true
I come up with $61 million and change. Of course, that’s not to say that the Kings couldn’t re-direct Ridnour to Memphis along with a future pick, or perhaps K9(woof!). But speculation rarely becomes reality, and this is indeed speculation.
Fun reading, though.
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Still wouldn't work
This idea sucks anyway.
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I thought draft picks, though they create a cap 'hold'
actually count as zero $$ in trades?
This stuff makes my head hurt
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Before they are signed to the contract that's true
Once they’re signed to a contract, you can’t trade them for 30 days. That’s what held up the Artest to Houston trade last year was that 30 days after Donte was signed so the trade could be “officially” completed.
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So what he suggests might barely be possible
before contracts are signed? Or if you subtract Alexander from the deal? Or swap Alexander and Donte’ (not sure why you would but..)
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is you sign the rookie deals before that
And the other problem is the Kings won’t have cap space until July 1st. It’s screwy logic at best, and for what? Luke Ridnour and Joe Alexander? No thanks.
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And if I'm reading this correctly
there’s nothing that says you have to sign rookie deals by a certain time.
That is correct
Once the picks are selected the Rookie Scale Salary (the salary assigned to each draft pick byt the CBA), is added to the teams base salary. So, once they are picked their salary reduces the cap space by their assigned salary. They can sign for up to 20% more then the Scale Salary, and that is where the negotiation part takes place. So, no one really knows what their actual salary will be until they sign a contract.
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Ridnour doesn't suck +
he’s expiring. JAlexander is in the same boat as Donte’, all the athletic ability but no real game so far.
I’d only lobby for this though if it got us a guy we Really want at #10.
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn't say Ridnour sucks
I said it’s a bad idea.
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For the #10?
I don’t think I agree. Its a win-win for us as fans. We lose what? Ridnour expires and Alexander’s still got a chance to be good.
Plenty O cap room (K9/Ridnour) still in 2010.
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Ridnour would at least be worth something
at the deadline. I’m still not convinced K9 will be.
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You'd be trading #23 and #31
for a #8 and a #10.
Who knows who works out – but it sounds like a winning deal to me.
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I like it too
But I would have to see the complete deal as it looks it doesn’t work as “currently” described. It’s all speculation but I wouldn’t mind getting another lottery pick
Ridnour & Alexander make $9M
we don’t have $9M in cap space. But, they would fit under the 125% _100K rule. We just have to renounce all expiring contracts & all exemptions.
We might find a better deal, by offering our 2010 pick top 5 protected, to one of the teams over the salary cap. Wash @ $76M, NY @ $68m, GSW @ $61M, Chicago @ $60M, or NJ @ $59M might rather not take on the extra salary this year.
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I'd rather keep the 2010 pick
Unless we could use it to get #2 from one of those teams. For anything less, not worth it.
look into the future?
trading future draft picks depends on your ability to project the future… i read somewhere that next year’s draft is light on PG’s (with the exception of J.Wall, who might be a bonehead) so maybe getting your PG now is worth trading next year’s pick (assume we are talking rubio).
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on May 12, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this
even if you’re not necessarily talking about Rubio. If there’s a lottery point guard there this year that you like, trade next year’s pick to get him. Don’t put all your eggs in next year’s basket if you know this year’s basket looks pretty good. Something like that.
by AnotherStupidSN on May 12, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
If you want 2 of the best players in any draft your going to have to give up something
With a top 5 protection, if we get better and then get lucky in the draft it’s a win/win senario for us. We get 3 of the the top 10 picks in the next 2 drafts. Of course if GP doesn’t really find someone he likes in the top 10 to go with our #1 pick he wouldn’t do it anyways. But, at least we’d get 2 guys we really like, still have #23 & #31, and don’t give up a top 5 pick next yr.
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I agree with your comments on Martin
Where I think we maybe differ is that you think we “still need another PG” and I think we NEED a very good point guard. If Petrie sees someone to run this team at 23 or 31, then there’s no need for a trade. I just think that’s a pretty big roll of the dice on what is by far your biggest position need (even taking into account Petrie’s relative success with picks in that range). Me putting Martin on the table has to do with the possibility that Petrie thinks Rubio or another top 5 pick is our Point Guard of the future. Personally, I’d rather have Griffin and be “set” at Point Guard (knowing that no draft pick is a sure thing) and give up what we have in Martin than add Griffin to what we have and still be completely hopeless at Point Guard (unless we happen to hit the jackpot at #23).
I think a better scenario though would be if Petrie falls in love with one of the “second tier” lottery point guards (Ty Lawson?) and we get Griffin at #1 and move into the high lottery to get our Point Guard without giving up too much (#23 + next year’s protected first?).
by AnotherStupidSN on May 12, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The implication being
that I trust that whoever Petrie falls in love with is the right man for the job. I just hope that if he does fall in love with someone, he does what it takes to get him.
by AnotherStupidSN on May 12, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
takes two to tango...
I think the idea has merit but depends heavily on who ends up in the slot in which you want to make the pick. So assume we get number 1 and pick Griffin, and Washington gets number 2 and GP is enamored with Rubio, maybe your scenario works because the Wiz don’t really need a PG with Agent Zero… so maybe they’d take someone to add to their mix (Wiz have some serious luxury tax problems brewing so they might want us to take a crappy contract, but maybe they’d do that plus someone less than Martin?)… someone else posted earlier the same scenario but assumed GP would be enamored with Curry, who you might get at number 7-10… so bottom-line is that I think your approach has some merit but largely depends on ping pong balls and each team’s need and own view of the player in question.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on May 12, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking about this earlier
Would we be willing to give up Martin if we were able to draft both Griffin and Rubio? I think I would. However, I’m not sure I give up KMart any other way
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As much as I want Rubio
I don’t think we should give up Martin for him. The whole idea is to have them both on the floor, Rubio making Kevin better. If Kevin goes, who’s gonna score??
I’d be willing to part with any player in this roster except for Martin, JT, and Hawes to move up. That’s just me though
yeah
i totally agree we need rubio to. and that would make all of the other three better, then hopefully we become a playoff team
by cwebbisboss1 on May 12, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Why?
Would you ever want to trade our relatively cheap star. Kevin Martin is a bonafide star when healthy and we have him for less than 10 mil a year. Trade Garcia or something.
Hope
by Ultrakingsfan on May 12, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
To get a better player
To make a better basketball team. Not saying Rubio is better. Just saying that’s why you’d do it. And if you think the Kings would be better by trading Martin to get Rubio, then I guess that’s why you would do it.
by DustyG on May 12, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
BINGO
We were the worst team in the league this year, we can afford to think big. Nothing should be off the table.
by AnotherStupidSN on May 12, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
It is for me
barring another star, not for a pick.
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Good post
If we trade Martin this season I think we’d be traded him one year early if we are going to trade him. Kevin is an awesome scorer with a reasonable salary, has never complained through a horrible season and I’m not ready to write him off just yet. Let’s see how he comes back and see how he plays. I have no doubt that this past season was not the season Kevin was expecting to have. I have every expectation that he’s going to come back fired up and have the best season he’s ever had.
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Yep
No point selling low in a bad market. Obviously an offer we can’t refuse is just that, but I don’t think we’ll be getting any of those given Kevin’s and the Kings’ recent struggles. So let Kevin heal up, play with an improved team this season, and we’ll see what he can do.
Until he isn’t our best player, one of our few quality vets, and a value contract (K-Mart was 7th in the league in scoring at 24.6 ppg, the next guy on the list who makes less than him and isn’t on his rookie contract is Devin Harris who’s 17th with 21.3 ppg.), he is untouchable. He’s a star with a reasonable contract; therefore, he’s only worth trading for two stars, which isn’t going to happen. So for now, just enjoy him.
If we have the choice between Griffin and Rubio
It’s a win-win. That’s the best case scenario. I 100% trust Petrie to select the person he thinks has better talent.
Geoff
needs to get ricky he is so talented and the way he plays defense will help us out a whole lot
this reminds me of the Oden/Durrant debate
whoever ends up with the #2 pick is the guy with the easiest pick of the draft. At least neither of these guys are totally accident prone.
I'll give Ford this - the Griffin family does look cool
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by section214 on May 12, 2009 9:03 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
But will they look cool in green?
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