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So the Philadelphia job is so much better than coaching here in Sacramento…

After reading the rumors that persist regarding Eddie Jordan's Philadelphia preference and the decision he may or may not be faced with in the coming days, I have to ask the question- is the Philly job really better than the Kings job? Sure, Philly made the playoffs in a weak, three team Eastern Conference but let us look into the proposition a little closer because we are looking at two imperfect teams, both today and in the future.

Financially, we are looking at two very different teams. While the Kings sit a whopping 13-14 million under the cap this year and a possible 20+ million under for the summer of 2010, the 76ers future looks bleak.

Elton Brand, a one time All-Star is owed 64 million dollars over the next 4 years. The last two seasons, Brand has played a total of 37 games due to a torn achilles tendon and a torn labrum in his shoulder. A quality pro, Brand is now a thirty year old player who is unlikely to regain the physical tools he needs to make up for his size limitations. The 76ers will be regretting the FA acquisition of Brand, similar to the way they regretted the Chris Webber trade.

Samuel Dalembert, an inconsistent, offensively limited defensive specialist regressed mightily in his 7th season as a pro. Owed 25 million over the next two seasons, Dalembert requested a trade at the February deadline this season and again once the season commenced. The 76ers have shopped him and no one is buying- he is their version of Brad Miller financially- an albatross with diminishing value and a two year contract that last into the 2010 FA boon.

Reggie Evans (2yrs/10 mill) and Louis Williams (4 yrs/20+ million) are the 76ers MLE equivalent to Mikki Moore and Beno Udrih. Evans, a gritty ball grabber put up 3.4 points and 4.4 rebounds a game in 14.4 minutes of play- hardly worth the 10 mill owed. Williams is a shooting guard who can’t shoot (39.8% from the field- 28.6% from 3pt). At 22, he might develop into a quality scorer but looks very similar to Larry Hughes without the stellar steal/defensive numbers.

Andre Iguodala is the franchise. A super athlete, Iguodala is the 76ers equivalent of Kevin Martin with a bigger contract. While Petrie negotiated from a position of power, the 76ers waited out Iggy and gave up an additional 18-20 million over what Martin received- good for the player, bad for the team. If Eddie is going to run the Princeton offense, he would probably prefer Martin and his career 38.5% 3pt shooting (41.5 in 2008-09) to Iguodala’s career 32.5 (30.7 in 2008-09).

Andre Miller, a quality point guard with two problems- he is 33 and he is a free agent. With the team already at a 58 million dollar payroll with only 9 players and without its draft picks signed, Miller might be playing elsewhere next season and the 76ers have no one to replace him. Add to this the fact that Miller is a career 21% 3pt shooter and has slowed defensively.

Thadeus Young and Mareese Speights are nice, inexpensive young players with upside. Young made huge improvements in his second season although he played out of position for most of it. At 21, Young’s future is bright but at the same position Iguodala plays. Speights looks like a mid-round steal- big, skilled around the basket and a PER stud. Both of these guys could play important roles in Jordan’s system as complementary players but neither possess the passing skills to run the offense through. Willie Green sort of fits into this group but only because of his unfortunate injury that cost him millions and saved the 76ers millions.

Eddie Jordan might scrap the Princeton offense, making a lot of this analysis moot but the fact still remain- Philly is not in good financial shape now or in the near future. They will have to pay luxury tax dollars if they want to keep Andre Miller, if not, they will have either a rookie or a low budget replacement at the point. Brand may come back and be effective but the odds are against that happening due to age and the type of injuries he sustained. Dalembert want out but no one wants him, the Sixers are poor perimeter shooters and they have no big men with high post skills.

While the Kings had a miserable 17 win season, they have good pieces in place for Princeton style offensive coach (passing bigs and lots of shooters), a top 4 pick, a second first round pick and millions in cap space this year and next. Although the 76ers made the playoffs, they were a .500 team and like the Kings got a coach fired mid-season. Neither of these teams are a coach’s dream but as a hardly impartial Kings fan, I find myself wondering if I was given two offers would I choose the one with young players and cap space or a playoff team, strapped to diminishing players with large long-term contracts.

 

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Philly's Soul Food > Sacramento's Soul Food

Sorry Webber made me do it.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on May 14, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

better schools here-

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on May 14, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could be a $$ issue for all we know.

Maybe Philly is willing to spend more on a coach than we are, but as an impartial King’s fan there is no way I would rather coach the cap strapped sixers over the young and soon to be way under the cap Kings.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on May 14, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said the same thing yesterday on my blog JJ

Although I theorized that they would offer him the job today too. Can’t always be right. In fact these days, it looks I’m going to go 0-fer.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 14, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

JJ

I just said the same thing on the Fanshot.

Except I forgot about Reggie Evans… gosh that is a BAD contract.

Blessings.Love.Peace

by lifestyleforthesellout on May 14, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I knew there was a reason you read my blog sellout :P

Just kiddin mayne.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 14, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a shamless

copycatter.

:p

Blessings.Love.Peace

by lifestyleforthesellout on May 14, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I were Jordan

I would go to the team that shows the best potential to compete for the next four years. Contractually, Jordan is probably looking at around a 4 year deal. Which team will keep you around four years without giving you the pink slip? Which team has the potential to win right away get into the playoffs? Philly has made playoffs now two years in a row, Sacramento is at an all time low and has let go of 3 coaches in 3 seasons. The safe team to choose is Philly, the more enticing team to choose is Sacramento (lottery, money, good friend in management). Its going to be an interesting next couple of weeks, to say the least.

Member of play JT and Donte Greene 40 mins a game club.

by Sac King on May 14, 2009 3:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking of going to the 'Lottery Party' at C-Webbs on tuesday

but I don’t know if I can take the suspense in public
(tears are possible either way)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 14, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's going to happen if you go to the NBA Draft party

And the Kings have the #1 pick and take Ricky Rubio by some chance?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 14, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take my chances

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 14, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't stand too close.

His head might explode.

Ok, people, let's generate all the good Karma we can until May 19. Then you can go back to your shallow and empty lifestyles.

by LeaguePassAddict on May 14, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problem

There’s some mileage in distance between us.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 15, 2009 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you'd hear it from where you are.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 15, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be a "Sonic" Boom...

As a former Seattle resident, it is a crime that Seatown does not have Sonic basketball right now.

"Yeah, totally! Totes Magotes! Cool."

by PhutureKings on May 15, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Yes, it could be a glorious or terrible day come May 19th!

Member of play JT and Donte Greene 40 mins a game club.

by Sac King on May 14, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha I got that day off work.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 15, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you sure?

What does this team look like without Andre Miller? It is not a playoff team period. In 3 years, Elton Brand is 33 and still owed 18 million. At 54, I want a landing spot that I can see my self in for the next 8-10 years. It might not work out that way but if it does, do you think Jordan wants to start all over again in 3 or 4 years?

Something else I did not bring up, Philly is the toughest city in the U.S. on sports teams/players/coaches. Sacramento? The most forgiving and open IMO. The two longest tenured coaches int he NBA (Sloan and Pop) coach small market teams. I see the Sacramento move as potentially the last place Jordan would have to coach- Philly won’t be so kind.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on May 14, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 words JJ

Howard Eskin.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 14, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still see

The 76ers having more success than the Kings in the next couple of years with or without Miller. Jordan was quoted as saying he would rather go to 76ers because they could compete right away, unless of course the Maloofs “offered a contract he could not refuse”. No doubt it would be exciting to be involved in the rebuilding of a young team, but as an NBA coach trying to get back into coaching, trying to restore the Kings back to dominance is a much harder task than keeping the 76ers in the hunt of the playoffs.

"You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, but wouldn't you rather take a butchers word for it?"

by Sac King on May 14, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wasn't quoted as saying that

He was quoted as saying Philly needs a coach and he is one.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 14, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im sorry he wasnt quoted but...

 From Insidehoops-“On Tuesday, Jordan interviewed in Las Vegas for the Sacramento Kings’ vacancy. Afterward, Jordan said publicly he also would speak with the Sixers. A source close to the 54-year-old coach has indicated that between the two gigs, Jordan would prefer the Sixers because of their immediate ability to compete, as well as their proximity to his home. He grew up in Washington, D.C., and played basketball for Rutgers University”

"You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, but wouldn't you rather take a butchers word for it?"

by Sac King on May 14, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's trying to create as much leverage as he can

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 14, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has every incentive

to talk up his interest in both positions. I wouldn’t want a coach who wasn’t smart enough to do that. Leverage indeed.

by CDinSD on May 15, 2009 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Competing for What!?!

The playoffs? Big whoop. Everyone knows Philly is nowhere near a legit title contender, especially w/ Miller possibly on the way out, EB being broken down, etc. I alluded to all this a few days ago, and this post along w/ Pookey’s blog did a good job of breaking down Philly’s downside.

Sacto in two years will be a better team than Philly. Top 4 pick, cap space, more talented young guys. Also, nowhere to go but up from our crappy record.

Lastly, the season is pretty far from starting. How can anyone say which is the more competitive team? Sacramento could (theoretically) get the top pick in the draft AND swing a trade w/ k9’s contract that lands us a legit player, and then also go after a good player in 2010 via free agency or trade. I mean (again theoretically), we could be a team that has (Rubio or Griffin), Martin, Hawes, Shock, Garcia, Noc, and Donte, PLUS our HOU pick, a lottery pick next season and a decent player via trade and a good player via FA going into next season.

What will Philly look like then? If Eddie Jordan really prefers Philly, because they’re ready to compete, then I only have two things to say: 1) no, they’re not; and 2) the man doesn’t know as much about basketball as I was hoping.

In your face EJ…unless you chose the Kings. Then we got no beef.

"Yeah, totally! Totes Magotes! Cool."

by PhutureKings on May 14, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Draft Day Drafts?

Pretty much the consensus is Pookey is going to be only one excited enough to buy rounds of beverages if we land at #2 and he is basically assured we get Rubio.

As for coaches, is Vlade potentially a factor in who gets the Head Coaching gig? I am thinking Kings will hire him to teach Hawes/Thompson/Griffen (sorry PG) how to flop and pass so that will be a factor in who gets hired as the head coach.

If that assumption is correct doesn’t that increase Jordan’s stock (I hope not)?

by SactownheartOChouse on May 14, 2009 5:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No buying rounds here

I’m too broke.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 14, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did I mention the drinks are free?

What is your opinion re: Vlade and his impact on who gets hired?

by SactownheartOChouse on May 14, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Vlade is doing

his humanitarian thing in his home-country I thought. I would bet we could retain ’Reef to be a bigs coach/consultant, might be nice to have Vlade too.

Blessings.Love.Peace

by lifestyleforthesellout on May 14, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Patrick Ewing

as an honest-to-goodness assistant coach and not just a big mans coach? Not going to beat Orlando for his services unless he also gets a promotion for coming here.

Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
'spect da 'xtra E'

by iashwash on May 14, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Iguodala and Martin

One of these guys plays defense.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 14, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

After losing his job partly because his shot-blocking center was hurt

He may have had a change of heart. But you’re probably right, he’d probably rather outscore you then outdefend you.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 15, 2009 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something else to consider

When you look at the next 4 or 5 years in the NBA, obviously a lot is uncertain. A lot of players could move around. But more likely than not, many of the big names will stay put.

Unless a few of the bigger names make a sudden change, the East is going to be the tougher conference within a few years.

Looking at the West, Kobe is getting older and has a lot of miles on him. Phoenix is on the way down. The Blazers are up-and-coming, as are the Thunder. Denver will be good for a couple of seasons, but Chauncey is really the glue that holds them together. Houston is uncertain with McGrady and Yao having health issues, and Artest being a constant uncertainty. Utah will probably stay about where they are, maybe a little better. Dallas is on the decline.

Now look at the East. Cleveland is a contender as long as LeBron is there. Celtics will decline. Chicago is up-and-coming. Dwight Howard and Orlando are up-and-coming. New Jersey has potential. I believe the Knicks will improve. A turnaround in Torono is not out of the question.

The east is getting stronger, the West is getting older and weaker. Sacramento can turn this around, and they could do it just as their competition is on the decline.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on May 15, 2009 8:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's because the talent went out East for a number of years through the draft

Now that talent is heading back out West. The idea that this is purely cyclical is something the NBA has maintained, and your whole argument only exercerbate’s the argument beyond where it already is at..

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 15, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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