Geoff Petrie Approaching Self-Imposed Lame Duck Status
I trawled through the good ol' Sactown Royalty archives this morning for a refresher on Geoff Petrie's comments about rebuilding, the timeline and all that. And I came across an Ailene Voisin column from last fall that I'd almost completely forgotten about. The Maloofs picked up an option on Petrie's contract last summer to keep Geoff in Sacramento through the 2009-10 season. That would make next season Petrie's last under his current contract.
Voisin talked to a rather candid Petrie for her column.
[K]now this about Petrie: He understands the calendar. He is one of those people who won't have to be shown the door when it's time to leave. If he fails in his rebuilding attempt, is unable to accomplish a third renovation in his 15-year Kings tenure, expect him to approach the Maloofs, thank them for their support, and tell them they need a change. [...]
According to sources within the organization, Petrie, whose option for 2009-10 was picked up last summer, tabled the Maloofs' offer for a multiyear contract extension.
"Honestly, I'm concerned about my job today, tomorrow and the next day," Petrie said recently when asked about his job status. "At some point in the future, we can sit down and talk about it. But I believe that will sort itself out. In the big picture, I want what's best for the franchise."
Later in the column:
"We need to be somewhat patient and see what develops with what we've done," added Petrie, "and try and keep our (cap) flexibility unless something really exciting comes along. Two years sounds like a long time, and sports is measured in dog years.
"We're trying to do this without falling into oblivion. That can be hard to get out of, too. It has taken Portland five years out of the playoffs to get where they are now. Let's just see."
We trust Petrie's judgment. Overwhelmingly. If he thinks it's time to go -- to retire, to go somewhere else with a clean slate -- then I trust it's time for him to go. It needs to be recognized that his first objective of these last two years on his current contract -- to rebuild without falling into oblivion -- has been a failure. Even if Kevin Martin hadn't been injured, it's difficult to imagine that the team would have finished outside the league's bottom three. That is oblivion, plain and simple. He can't be pleased with his work, particularly the Beno Udrih signing.
The Maloofs have repeatedly insisted it's Petrie's job as long as he wants it. (They do so all over this particular column, as well.) But if we don't have an extension for Petrie this summer, be prepared to watch him walk away hat in hand next summer, barring a monumental turnaround this season.
In that case, don't forget how much Jason Levien gave up to be Petrie's protegé.
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interesting
You could argue that Ainge’s fear for job security is what pushed him to go supernova on the Celtics roster. You could also argue that the same thing caused Isaiah to do whatever it is he did to the Knicks roster. That Geoff is okay with walking away is odd – I don’t know whether to be comforted by him not trying anything stupid, or disappointed that this means he’s not as likely to gamble on a player/trade/coach because he doesn’t want to accidentally leave an even bigger disaster for the heir apparent.
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It's not in his nature to gamble.
I think he is leaving the franchise in a better place if this is his curtain call. As the roster sits in a few weeks, the Kings have young talented bigs, a semi-star in Martin, a top 4 pick and oodles of cap-space. 17 wins is a failure but this team is almost rebuilt- a new coach, a little luck with the lottery and another Petrie mid-twenties miracle and this thing looks solid.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
TZ has hit the panic button, its time to go to defcon3.
I am not quite understanding your angle on Petrie’s failure. The Udrih signing wasn’t abyssmal at the time, with a full year under his belt it wasn’t quite the stretch we all make it sound like today; we all forget that there were a couple teams offering him the same money (albeit one of them the Clippers, which is always an apt warning sign) that we gave him.
Aside from that, last season was a train wreck, but at some point you have to go down to the cellar to climb out. If the Kings had played to the level we hoped, we would be picking around the 12-13th pick again. We have found a couple serviceable NBA bigs around that area, but you are extremely jaded to believe that our Kings would ever be able to contend picking in that same area year after year. The Blazers, the toast of the rebuilding NBA, had 6 lottery picks in a row with a 1st overall, 4th overall, and 6th overall, and omg Kevin Pritchard is thegreatest GM in the world with unlimited monetary resources, and they are just now in the playoffs.
The problem with rebuilding in the NBA is that it only takes one star player to turn the fortunes of a franchise, and picking around the middle of the draft every year is not going to land us a plethora of talent. I am partially glad we endured that humungous dog turd that was last year because it will secure us at worst a top 4 pick.
After all is said and done, we unloaded enough money to get decently under the cap, we have three picks in a year that everyone is strapped for cash, and we have one of the biggest expiring contracts in a year when the cap is going to drop a good percentage. Obviously, our on the court success is not up to par with what we as fans want, but I would point you to jjham’s fanpost, about the comparison between the Sixers situation and the Kings situation, as a good illustration that Petrie has not shit the bed.
We have undoubtedly been crippled by the Kings reluctance to go into full on rebuilding mode until this last year, but I don’t really understand what you would have Petrie do differently? Obviously, not giving CWebb max money would be a great start, but no one could’ve prognosticated CWebb’s career altering injury.
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by moproblemz on May 17, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 8 recs
I also think that in a cash strapped environment
Jason Levien’s expertise came in handy saving the Maloof’s money in the interim while the team was losing. Some of the savings came through Shareef Abdur-Rahim’s retirement to be sure, but hey, they still saved money in the Cassell, Solomon and Diogu deal’s. And, depending on how they approach Nocioni for the next few years, they could end up saving money in that vein as well.
I agree mo that this team needed to bottom out. It needs to be at the bottom, or near the bottom, to replenish some of it’s talent source. But, even with that said, you have Martin, Garcia (whose effect didn’t matter nearly as much on a losing team), Nocioni (ditto as Garcia), talented young players in Hawes and Thompson who have produced at a reasonable level, and Greene who might be the best player out of all of them by the time it’s all said and done.
The apocalypse is not here. The good stuff is just beginning I say.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Pook, as I remember that you were pretty excited about the Kings hiring Levien
he is a high quality guy (everything I read about him was positive) and as fans I think we have a reason to be optimistic that when Petrie finally leaves (and he will at some point) he has left a competent successor in his place. I’m not sure and didn’t take from TZ’s post that Petrie has given the public any indication that the coming season will be his last other than not taking a longer extension when it was offered.
In big business one of a CEO’s chief duties is to have a succession plan in place and it seems to me that Petrie has done that with Levien. My biggest gripe about the organization is that they didn’t start the rebuilding soon enough. While I don’t totally agree with JJ that the team is almost rebuilt, I do think that we are moving in the right direction and if we get one of the 1st or 2nd selections in the lotto this week that our progress in the remodel will be increased.
Two more days until we find out what position we draft in.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Hmmm
Well, Petrie certainly hinted at the possibility that he might leave. He wanted to take a wait & see approach. Right now, this team isn’t headed in a wonderful direction. That could be different a year from now; right now is all I’m referencing though.
As far as the duties of a CEO, sure, that’s fine. But, the NBA is not like other Fortune 500 businesses. The differences are huge, and the ability to see talent and the things of that like are beyond important or comparison really.
I think this team is moving in the right direction because you can’t get worse than this team last season. The injuries, the trade, the failure of Kenny Natt to right the ship, and the lesser amount of fans in the stands makes the stench pretty hot, even if you live in a rainforest.
Two more days until we find out what position we draft in, yes. But, at least another month or so of guessing which player Petrie will take (assuming he hasn’t made up his mind completely on Griffin).
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I've come to the conclusion
that if we get the #1 and Petrie takes Griffin and is somehow able to weasel his way into another higher pick to pick up one of those point guards the Kings are suddenly looked at in the same light as the Thunder where we suck because we’re totally young and rebuilding, but people are getting excited about us
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Griffin doesn't do it for me
And unfortunately, he never will.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh let's be honest.
If we did wind up taking Griffin, and he becomes the player many think he might be, you’ll change your mind just like everyone else around here has done on so many occasions.
“J-Will launches a triple from 30 feet with 19 seconds left on the clock!”
“Jason! No…no…NO…”
“He knocks it down!”
“YES! GREAT SHOT!”
“And the Kings select Jason Thompson!”
“ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?!”
“Shock and Hawes!”
Personally, I’ll be happy with whoever we pick, but let’s face it…everyone here will always wind up loving anyone and anything that helps the Kings win.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on May 17, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
bitter
I can change my mind all I want. Rec’d because those tow examples apply to me.
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Not changing my mind
But, yeah, okay.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm still having trouble understanding what you don't like about Griffin?
I love JT, but Griffin’s an upgrade and there’s really no argument against it
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Have to agree with vfettke there.
I’d take Griffin in a heartbeat if Rubio was out of the equation.
Father of the "Natt this!" movement.
+1 on every point
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by SavageBeast on May 17, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Echoes of genius
It’ll all depend on who we end up with, and whether we get boom or bust. But winning 15 more games this year wouldn’t have helped the franchise, or even those of us who live and die by them.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Great points Mo-
reluctance to go into full on rebuilding mode until this last year, but I don’t really understand what you would have Petrie do differently?
Although the last few years haven’t been stellar, this is the first completely horrendous season and Petrie responded by cutting 28 mill between the Miller, Salmons trade, the waiving of Moore (6 mill to 2 mill) and convincing SAR to call it a career (paid + we’ll give you a start in coaching with 2 big that have potential). Now the Kings walk into the greatest free agent class ever with 20+ million to spend, 4 first round picks over a two year window (JT, Donté + 2009 picks), Martin at 20 million less than what Philly paid for Iguodala and some nice quality pieces in Garcia, Noccioni and yes, even Beno, just not as a starter and at a higher dollar than you would like to pay. I see a reduction in MLE type salaries from a potential 4 or 5 to 3- Garcia, Udrih and Noccioni with Noccioni still having some value in a trade.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
Miscommunication
I don’t think I communicated my point well. All I’m saying here is that:
- Petrie rejected a contract extension last summer because he wasn’t sure he could do this again.
- Petrie said a few months he’d walk away if he failed, for the health of the franchise.
- Petrie indicated reaching “oblivion” would be failure.
- The Kings reached a consensus standard of “oblivion.”
- The Maloofs and Petrie haven’t worked out an extension.
- A rather wealthy, young agent joined the front office at Petrie’s behest, assumedly with his sights on a higher position some day.
- Petrie has one year to convince himself he can do the job again.
I’m saying Petrie talked about leaving if he couldn’t do it last summer, and that by his definition he’s not doing it … So we should be prepared for him to step away.
I agree with your points as spelled out.
If the light switch to turn on the light at the end of the tunnel isn’t within arm reach, I see Petrie walking away but probably into retirement, not another gig IMO. I would really hate to see someone else get the credit for this rebuild but that kind of seems like Petries’ way.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
Couple things I think are important to note here
- He wanted to see Kevin Martin grab a larger role than he has so far. The ankle injury only makes this assessment murkier.
- He thought Brad Miller would give this team a lot more
- Brad Miller’s demise correlate’s almost directly with some of Beno Udrih’s struggles
- John Salmons had to be tied into the Miller trade just to be able to get the cap relief the Kings did get from the Bulls
All these things were not something that Petrie was expecting to have to do. He went into defense mode, and stripped this franchise of some important bargaining chips. The franchise’s failure at the box office, and the Maloof’s impending financial issue’s outside of the Kings didn’t help.
This was the perfect storm of ridiculousness.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Thank God for Salmons break out year.
Salmons really aided the rebuild. Obviously he didn’t fit what the Kings try to do, his surly demeanor made losing him not hurt so bad and without his bargain contract, the Kings would probably not have been able to deal Miller.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
I also remember the Maloof's saying
that if was up to them, they wouldn’t have a contract with Geoff Petrie and it would be up to him when he left.
That’s partially why I think Petrie has to hit a home run with this top pick. (And has to be successful in the other 2 selections as well.) Petrie is tired of this current trend of downward spiraling. I think he’s wearing down (hence why he’s letting go of some of the secrecy) and I wouldn’t be shocked if he wants to leave just based on that he’s too old to keep doing this “crap” anymore.
It’s important to note that the Maloof’s stressed at the time of Jason Levien’s hiring that Geoff Petrie pushed it, and they did not.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
What happened?
I thought we had all agreed that Petrie is maticulous and he makes decisions on his own time and all that. This is a plausible and interesting most-xtreme-case scenario, to be sure, and it would be pretty genius if it turns out you are right.
Are we really doing that much less than other teams right now? Kayte Christensen for GM!
I'd argue ...
Are we really doing that much less than other teams right now?
We have one of the smallest scouting departments in the league. We are among the stragglers in D-League usage. We don’t have a dedicated quant analysis (read: stats) department (or person). …
If the Kings don't have a dedicated stats guy
why haven’t you sent them your resume?
I guarantee if you send them a powerpoint with all your graphs and Z-charts you get hired right away
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Thanks, but ...
I’m not nearly up to the level most of the other employed fellows are. Not even close.
Liar
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Hence the powerpoint
they won’t know the difference. It got Musselman hired
When you do become the stat dude keep me in mind for an assistant/slave position. I make a great cup of coffee
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and me too Ziller, I am a great yes man and head nodder.
I will supply my own non staining nose guard.
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by betweentheeyes on May 17, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
One thing we all need to consider
Ziller is quoting an article from October. Up until recently one of our biggest qualms with the organization was the apparent lack of power Petrie had. This reached all the way back to the Artest-Peja trade as well as the many coaching searches. It has just been recently that the Maloofs have been more apt to say “we’re rebuilding.” Then the economy decided to just fuck everybody including our favorite billionaire playboys. I really believe that on Tuesday Petrie will decide his fate. If he knows he’s getting a potential star in Griffin or Rubio it’ll definitely be a huge turning point in this rebuild
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I agree some what.
The MLE guys seemed forced in order to keep the status quo. SAR and Beno fit needs but Salmons and Moore seemed like reaches at the time. Salmons was brought in at 20+ mill to be a back-up. Moore was a downgrade from Kenny Thomas on paper and in reality.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
random question
Can you sign and trade a mid-level exception player?!?!?!?!?!?!
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No
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Yeah, nto immediately
But I was thinking – would it be possible to sign a guy for the mid-level, with the intention to trade him as soon as possible for an expiring and a low pick? It roughly translates to spending 6 million on a low pick, but it might prove useful if the Kings feel they need a player for a few months while the rookie develops.
Risky move, but maybe?
Okay. it was a stupid idea. I’m allowed some.
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You'd have to wait 3 months or Dec 15th whichever comes later
So, no.
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I drink the Kool-aid because drinking eases the pain
All valid points. I don’t see GP acting out of character. The guy is dignified enough to do what he thinks is best including walking away, but not leaving the Kings stranded. Consider this:
Jason Levien was hired in October. This is his first off season working for the Kings. He is no dout being groomed for promotion to GM status. How much responsibility is he being given for next years’ roster and coach?
Patience is a virtue, and us fans are an invirtuous impaitent group. I think you are all correct in that Petrie will dtermine his future with this draft – but this draft will not reveal its’ success for years to come. Mr. Petrie is a complex individual who has been intwined in the NBA for 40 years. He has had a recent cardiac procedure, his has newly arrived grandchildren. I foresee a mixture of Jason Levien’s rise with Geoff Petrie helping to determine the future path as he hands over the reigns to his protègè. (think Jerry West and Mitch Kupchak, but without the insanity of Jerry Buss) For a man who is has worked as a master planner, there is no doubt a sensible exit strategy.

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