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He’s have to take less.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect
and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 2, 2009 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

A coach is worth less than an MLE guy?

If he’s the coach you want and it takes 5.5 mil. It’s totally worth it.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 2, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Coaches are on different pay scales

Maybe he’s worth 5.5 million, comparative to other coaches – I dunno. But if the 5.5 million is high end, and you can get a guy a similar coach for less, what do you do?

I don’t think a coach coming off a 58 point home loss in the playoffs, where his team clearly quit, should be amongst the highest paid in his profession.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 3, 2009 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think head coach may be an important position

For me the coach is not a position that you go bargain shopping for. Try to save a couple million on your 10-14 guys, not on your head coach.

So, if he’s the guy you want and that’s what it takes to get him, it’s a no brainer to me. Try to save a couple million for someone “similar”? I think we’ve been down that road.

This is not an endorsement of Scott. I don’t really have a strong opinion on what coach we should go with, but that amount of money should not disqualify someone IMO.

As for the blowout. I guess Phil isn’t worth his 10 mil then eh? Game 6

Plain and simple, the Lakers quit. They quit on their fans, they quit on their coach, and worst of all, they quit on themselves.

Last year’s finals

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 3, 2009 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Phil

Has probably proven himself, moreso than Byron Scott. Hell, at least his team was in the Finals. And it was a road game. The Hornet loss was a bit different – by 58 points at home…to the Nuggets?

Not comparable, IMO.

I agree that it’s an important hire, and I’m not saying the Kings should be bargain shopping. But if you’re going to spend that kind of money, you should get someone better than Byron Scott.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 3, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah not only that

Make it so the Hornets are comfortable to pay their next head coach with that money. Talk about a bad way to go.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 3, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

So Scott is not your guy. Fine

As for Phil, the point was teams quit on everyone. Kobe is the most competitive guy this side of MJ and his team quit, on the biggest stage in the world, in a legacy defining game. I think you’re making too much of that.

Not comparable? So, it’s ok to quit in the finals to the Celtics, if your coach has proven himself, but it’s really bad if it’s in the first round to the Nuggets and your coach is not Phil? Come on, a blow out is a blow out. Quitting is quitting. The extra 19 points just means the Celtics were classier than the Nuggets.

It should be noted that the Hornets came out and played hard in game 5. So, they weren’t actively trying to throw Scott under a bus. If they had quit on him and wanted him fired, wouldn’t they have rolled over in that one too?

Again, I have no vested interest in Scott, but I think you’re reading too much into one loss.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 3, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

We can argue this until the cows come home

The Lakers were on the road, facing the soon-to-be champions, and lost by 39…far different than this happening at home in a first-round series. I’d give Phil (and his what…nine or ten championships) some leeway, that I don’t think Scott has earned.

If you want to call that apples-to-apples, fine…there’s really no point in us going around on this.

Sure, the Nuggets came out and played hard in game 5…initially. I’m sure they were pretty damn embarassed. And they ended up quitting again, losing by 20+.

Look, it’s not just the one loss that bothers me about Scott, but if anything that loss is like the cherry on a crap sundae. I’m just not real thrilled with the prospect of a Scott hire.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 4, 2009 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not thrilled with the idea...

…that a veteran coach is what this team is missing.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 4, 2009 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

We can argue this until the cows come home

Should read:

“We can argue this until the cows cowbells come home”

And, I can get behind this line of reasoning:

Look, it’s not just the one loss that bothers me about Scott, but if anything that loss is like the cherry on a crap sundae.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 4, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I've cleared my schedule

And will take a crack at it for half that amount.

See you for summer ball, I’ll be the one laughing uncontrollably and driving a Rolls.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on May 3, 2009 2:07 AM PDT reply actions  

If it costs the Kings 5.5 million to hire Byron Scott

That’s stupid. Fuck the Hornets and their cheapness.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 3, 2009 6:49 AM PDT reply actions  

The guy could be "worth" $20M

doesn’t matter, the Maloofs won’t pay it. The Kings just traded away contracts, big and small to save anywhere from hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars. They downsized the video dept and the press buffet to save hundreds of dollars. The Boys are flying commercial for chrissake. The current roster will shrink as the Kings let FA’s walk. There has been talk of Whisenant as coach which is most likely financially motivated as any other reason. This last season had the Kings paying Three (3) Coaches at once (Muss, Reggie and Natt).

Please don’t try and convince me that this organization will spend big – right or wrong – on the next Head Coach. I will close my eyes and put my fingers in my ears before your first keystroke has finished. EJordan is a prime candidate because he fits the system and the Bullets owe him a year of $4M which the Kings can parlay into a longer term deal at a significant savings (“hey EJ – sign a 4 year deal at $4M per year for a total of $16M – Kings pay $12M – but let’s let Pollin pay $3.99M the first year – it’s an ultimate Flip off – you get a long term deal, high salary structure, and we will let you tell all the ladies that you are Terence Howard when you visit the Palms”

by betweentheeyes on May 3, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Scott would be in the same position, since he's owed $5.5M next yr by NO.

so if the kings offered him a 4 yr deal at $3.5M per they wouldn’t have to pay the full amount. One thing to consider, is that there is no unemployment payments from the government for NBA head coaches. If Scott serves out the last yr of his contract in NO, there is no guarantee that he will be hired by another team the following yr. So, that yr he makes nothing. $5.5M for 2009 plus $0 for 2010 averages out to $2.75M over the next 2 yrs. So, even though he’s making $5M now doesn’t mean he wouldn’t except less for some long term security.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on May 3, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats my thought as well

If he’s not wanted there…but who knows for sure what goes on in peoples minds?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 3, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry I just don't buy the underlying assumption

I can see N.O. saying they won’t buy him out. There’s really there’s no such thing as a buyout anyway. With a coach you either keep him and pay him or fire him and pay him. But if you keep him and pay him, he is the coach that will lead your team for the next year. And you are guranteed to pay him $5m.

Along comes team B that says, hey I’d hire him for maybe $3.5, can I talk to him? Now what this does is give you the opportunity to hire someone else. What you do with that money is up to you. Hire cheaper? Hire at the same $3.5 but with someone you want? Get the rock star you want but pay a couple mil extra?

It all comes down to two things. Do they want Scott and do we want Scott? If they don’t and we do, something can be worked out. If either they still want him for another year or we don’t want him that bad, it doesn’t work. The only way we pay $5.5 is if we deperately want him more than any other coach on the market and feel like we have no choice. And I just don’t see that happening.

I will say this. We will NOT get the coach GP described for less than $3-$4m per year. Call the Maloofs cheap or whatever (which they’ve proven time and again that they are not.) But if GP has his way, we are not going to go bargain hunting for another $2 man. (Please, please please, tell me we’re not!)

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on May 3, 2009 9:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I suggest

reading this feature from At the Hive.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 3, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions  

It's simply a great compendium of thoughts

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 3, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good read

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 3, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

It does not alleivate any concern that Byron Scott

would simply be a short term hire. Also, the difficulty in dealing with Brandon Bass really bothered me. (JuJu too, but well that’s a different story.)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 3, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think I agree with thier first reader comment

It’ll take me a while to digest

A lot of good, some bad. One interesting point is he had two great PGs to lean on. It makes every coach’s job easier. A good defense of the teams defensive shortcomings, its what I thought without being a close observer as well, not a lot of good defensive personnel.
Not much low post scoring on offense = no easy baskets, even with CP3.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 3, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still

ATS post scares me. My original thought I posted up at EC Inc was something like this: He shows initial improvement, and then tails off. Nothing in ATS detailed analysis showed me anything otherwise. In fact, I think Byron Scott could be a very potentially fatal choice if Eddie Jordan doesn’t take the job. It’s not likely though that Scott will be fired with the Hornets having to foot the bill.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 3, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But a lot of the things they are saying sound like what a lot of KIngs fans were saying when Adelman got canned. He doesn’t play the young guys enough. Doesn’t adapt, etc. My judge of a coach is do his previous teams fare worse when he leaves and do his new teams improve after he arrives. I’d have to say yes on all counts.

I’d be happy with a Scott hire (although I don’t think they’ll cut him unless a deal of some kind is worked out.)

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on May 3, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rick Adelman changed his offense around and adapted more than Scott has

That’s really the difference. If you don’t think so, I’d be curious as to why you believe such things.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 3, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, really good read

thanks for passing it along Pook. Liked the defensive info, not worried about the offensive concerns. As for the rookies? Could be a concern, but if your team is made up of youth, he’d kind of have to play them eh?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 3, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

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