What Comes First: a Coach or the Pick?
by bringbackbuddytrees on May 2, 2009 3:21 PM PDT
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PrintSince draft balls and regime change is all that Kings fans have to hang their hat on these days, it occurred to me that we are getting ahead of ourselves but then I wasn't so sure. With the speculation about Byron Scott or Eddie Jordan, comments seemed to also lead to speculation as to which kind of player the coach would like to build his franchise around whether Griffin, Rubio or god forbid Thabeet (which I believe is Tanzanian for bust.) In evaluating Griffin and Rubio, it seemed important to determine how they would fit into an offensive and defense scheme which is impossible to know with having a coach. It is assumed that Petrie and Coachie would prefer a Princeton scheme but that is no certainty given the Maloofs.
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I agree with IW to an extent
I think having the coach around before the draft lottery means that he see’s something in the rest of the group that currently exists. If you base your coaching search off this lottery alone, that’s a pretty dumb admission the rest of the roster still here isn’t worth a damn. Why go through all that?
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
coach and player personnel,
ideally, are unrelated decisions. GM sets a team direction, a system, and brings in players, coaches and personnel that fulfill that system. Petrie picks whoever he wants on draft day, and can pick a coach whenever he wants. Obviously, the sooner a coach can come in the better, but if it takes a month or two for Petrie to get the guy he wants, then he can have six.
Furthermore, No selection in this draft can be considered an invalidation of any other player, especially considering how desperately forlorn this roster is. Heck, if a shooting guard is selected first, do we say to ourselves “well that means they’re trading Kevin Martin?” No player on this roster is guaranteed to be here a year from now, including the pick that may or may not get selected. Kevin Martin may be the Peja Stojakovic of the Kings future lineup, or he may be the Mitch Richmond for the Kings future Chris Webber. I don’t know, you don’t know, no one in the Kings organization knows.
Talent wins in basketball. When you have so little on a roster, you only have one option to improve the team: stockpile talent. Yeah, you might be a little overloaded in a certain position, but that doesn’t mean anything, because the type of talent can be more readily exchanged than its quality. What I’m saying is: it’s easier to go from one type of talent to another, than it is to go from none to a lot (unless you have a former player as a GM for another team… and even then, talent is necessary).
Rebuilding. It sucks.
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Sucks no doubt
Absolutely necessary? No doubt.
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
To comment on the first comment, I will say that I understand where you are headed IW, but I think that much can be said about the “nothing else matters” part. I like what guru said about having a coach beforehand as I personally would never hire a coach just because he knows that I’ve got the #1 pick or simply that I have a star on my roster. If you weren’t interested in working for me before the draft, then you certainly don’t deserve to work for me after. This is not to say that we should rush to get a coach. Anyhow, I think that you can have all the talent in the world, but if you lack the team factor, character, leadership, you aren’t gauranteed to win or even be viable. It will more likely be a clash of ego more than anything else. A very good coach can turn any members into a great team, he doesn’t need that star power to overshadow his abilities as a coach. Whereas on the otherhand, you got yourself a Steph where few even contend to go. You don’t need stars to win the championship, the NBA just makes it look like that because it generates revenue, what you need is a real team with a strong backbone.
After the lottery but before the draft
but you’ve gotta have the players
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
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by Kfan in Korea on May 3, 2009 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions
disagrees.
As long as you’re drafting and hiring with the same vision in mind, it doesn’t matter which comes first.
Ok, people, let's generate all the good Karma we can until May 19. Then you can go back to your shallow and empty lifestyles.
by LeaguePassAddict on May 3, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the set-up.
Ok, people, let's generate all the good Karma we can until May 19. Then you can go back to your shallow and empty lifestyles.
by LeaguePassAddict on May 3, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like you need help with that :P
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I guess what I was thinking
was that if the lottery gets us the #1
the job might look more attractive to the best avail., no real gotta do this first or that first for me.
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on May 3, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
For $1.5 -2 million per year we arten't going to get much of a coach anyway
or we may get a coach who is a pleasant surprise but not one who has had impact or input in prior drafts unless it’s the WNBA so I think they hire the coach after. Or, alternately, since the coach won’t have much impact on the draft, it doesn’t matter, so I go with LTTG.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
The head coach will be selected before the draft,
But he will have little say in the draft picks.
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I hear this peach tree guy is purdy good at them thar draff picks
They aren’t hiring EJordan or BScott or Avery Johnson and then asking them who they want to pick. Well, they may ask but really, if the Kings are going with strengths, then “in GP I trust” is the mantra and why hire a guy who is telling the GM (his boss) what to do and whom to pick. The 1st pick may influence who signs on as coach but I doubt it (“uh, no thanks, I would have taken the job but not if you could only manage to get the 4th pick, you guys must realllly suck”).
I don’t understand why hiring the coach before the draft matters. The playoffs will be over, so no reason to delay, all candidates will be available but the draft pick is not so much in his domain. (Unless it is Whisenant, in which case, he rules!)
by betweentheeyes on May 2, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
LMAO
‘peach tree’ Classic. There is a ‘Peaches’ joke in there somewhere I know.
Napear is the peach
that fell a longs ways away from the tree.
I agree
the sooner they decide on a coach, the sooner the coach can start working on hiring his assistants. No matter who we draft we’re going to need a very good big man coach, someone with center training knowledge. And, if we get one of the Princeton front runners, they’ll need some help from a defensive assistant.
The longer they wait, the better the chance that the best assistants will sign with someone else.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
duh anyone who knows basketball knows we take
a coach first! Because then based on what kind of offense he runs we can select the best player for it. We don’t want to draft a guy and they are not the ideal type of player our offense needs to strive (or defense)
You draft the best guy, period
Neither Rubio or Griffin have played in the Princeton offense. Do we pass on them if we hire Eddie Jordan?
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There is a player from Princeton in the draft?
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Dammit
Guess we have to go free agent eh? Let’s take this guy (the only senior I could find on their roster this past season):
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=28230
Question: What kind of bear is best?
Crap I was so hoping!
(The best kind of bear is brown, btw.)
Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
the serious part of what the sometimes serious Section was saying is true
You pick the best talent available because we all know the Kings have had 3 seasons with 3 different coaches and 3 seasons with K9 all the time.
(you can fire coaches, you must trade players. One season of K9 money = the combined salary of the last 3 coaches)
by betweentheeyes on May 8, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
The longer we wait the more compromises the Kings might be force to make
I know that GP had set 3 requirements for the next head coach, but that might not be written in stone. Salary might make it difficult to get someone, that fullfills all three requirements, and is willing to sign for what the Maloof’s are willing to pay. Other jobs might open up outside of coaching in the NBA and be filled by some of our prospects. And, some might not be the right fit in GP’s eyes.
GP may decide to take someone who fills requirement 1 & 2 or 2 & 3. It’s been said before, it’s next to impossible to guess what he might do, or how he sees people.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
See Pook's post @ EC good stuff on the coaching situation
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