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Player List For Kings' Thursday Work-out Set

Via a Kings press release:

  • Jrue Holiday, G, UCLA
  • Aaron Jackson, G, Duquesne
  • Josh Akognon, G, Marc Stein U
  • Brandon Ewing, G, Wyoming
  • Tremaine Townsend, F, CSU Northridge
  • John Bryant, C, Santa Clara

Holiday, obviously, is the prize here. I'm in the camp that definitely believes he'll be play at No. 4 but not at No. 23. Hyperstrong defenders with incredible lateral quickness are, um, great commodities, especially on a defensively deficient squad.

I know nothing about Jackson, Ewing and Townsend. Bryant and Akognon could be undrafted, too. (Of course, Patrick Ewing Jr. should have been undrafted ... )

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Here's to hoping Jrue pulls a Westbrook

and improves his draft stock in the coming weeks.

I think he’s got one of the best upsides around. Big, skilled, and semi-athletic point guard. Who doesn’t want one?

by sdfd on May 20, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Want Rubio

Talk up every other prospect that comes to town. You just need to convince the public that two additional players have crazy upside.

by bignerd on May 20, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes!

“We had Curly Neal in today, and we think we found our point guard to lead us into the future.” Sterling reads this and presto, the Clippers draft Curly Neal. This could happen – it’s the Clippers, after all.

bignerd, you magnificent bastard…brilliant!

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by section214 on May 20, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You Mock

Have the Clippers ever had a scouting department? How do you know Elgin Baylor didn’t pick the guy Bill Plaschke had written down in his mock draft all these years? You have question Memphis too.

by bignerd on May 20, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clippers scouting department

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by section214 on May 20, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

They're doing what any good franchise should be doing

They’re looking at every possible angle. Good.

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by pookeyguru on May 20, 2009 4:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I saw Ewing play in Provo

He’s quick and a decent scoring PG. Easily the best player out of Wyoming since Justin Williams. (And just like Williams, this Ewing is from Chicago).

I also believe he led the Cowboys in scoring all four years. I think he even led the MWC in scoring several times. (Though that might not be saying much considering the MWC doesn’t usually produce many guards into the NBA…)

"geez its like this site is so serious i jus wanna git mai opinyons on tha Kings out there ok" - TZ

by sroufe on May 20, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Surely

he’s just there as fodder for Holiday, but it’d be an intriguing match up to see because of Ewing’s experience having played all four years…

Here’s a link for more info.

"geez its like this site is so serious i jus wanna git mai opinyons on tha Kings out there ok" - TZ

by sroufe on May 20, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Ewing is fodder for no one -

And stop calling me Shirley.

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by section214 on May 20, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice "Airplane!" Reference

"geez its like this site is so serious i jus wanna git mai opinyons on tha Kings out there ok" - TZ

by sroufe on May 20, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

John Bryant

As a Santa Clara alum who saw Bryant play a lot of games in person, I pray we can get him at #31. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=28108 They guy is great. He showed up as a 6-11 360 lb Freshman and was down to 285 this season. He has great FG and FT percentages, had more rebounds than Blake Griffin, and was in the top 10 in the nation in blocks. He would be a perfect compliment to Hawes, and a steal at #31. I swear I would take him over Thabeet if I was a GM. WCC player of the year from a pretty crappy team on which he was triple teamed every game. Right now I would be stoked on Jennings at #4, Psycho T at #23, and Bryant at #31.

by WhiteNoise on May 20, 2009 5:36 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure that I would like Hansbrough at 23

but I’d love him at 31, great energy guy on your bench at practically no cost.

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by section214 on May 20, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

That poor guy

He’s a winner for his entire college career, topping it off as National Champ. Then gets sent to the worst team in the NBA.

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by vfettke on May 20, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is he going to the Clippers??

I get it!! Mike Dunleavy is going to pick him with the first pick. You can’t teach how to be a winner

by eduardo_m7 on May 20, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bryant is a big guy

That used his outrageous size and weight to push around smaller mid-major players. He has neither the athletic ability or conditioning to make it up and down an NBA floor. Santa Clara’s master strategy was to toss it down to the paint and let Bryant throw up an uncoordinated looking layup over 6’7 guys- that doesn’t work in the NBA.

No doubt he goes undrafted. If you like him so much, I guarantee he is around after the draft. Ranked 99 of 100 prospects….42 of seniors for god’s sake.

by Bitey on May 20, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Townsend sucks not an nba player

Ryan Thompson threw down a sick dunk on him this year at Rider

by Beagle12 on May 20, 2009 5:56 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

and don’t tell me it’s hansbrough

by boffacheerios on May 20, 2009 6:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Hyperstrong defender with incredible lateral quickness?

Yeah, that may describe Russell Westbrook, but it’s a big stretch for Jrue. He’s young, and I think his ceiling on both sides of the ball is very high, but he has not yet earned that kind of description/hype.

Yes, Holiday and Westbrook both played out of position and could not shoot from the outside with any consistency at UCLA, but the comparison pretty much ends there. Holiday was a tentative, pass-first SG for the Bruins and was lit up by marginal talent many times this past year (admittedly playing as a Freshman, while Westbrook made a huge jump from his Freshman to Sophomore years). Westbrook was ultra-aggressive on offense and stifling in man-to-man defense against even the best guards in the country (Rose, for example).

With all that said, I still like that the Kings are bringing Holiday in for an evaluation, as I don’t see how Jennings resume is anymore impressive and he’s considered a solid top-10 (if not top-5) pick.

by cabz on May 20, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Wrong answer

You gotta say Holiday is not only just like Westbrook but start listing reasons why he is better. Same for this DeRozan kid. Keep talking about how he reminds you of a young Kobe. If Westbrook can jump from 12th to 4th pick last year we can do it to someone else this year.

by bignerd on May 20, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

we have the 4th pick this year

by furious.d on May 21, 2009 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't compare him to Westbrook

Westbrook may be the most athletic PG in the league. I called Holiday strong (hyperstrong, actually) with incredible lateral quickness. That’s a good combination for a killer defender.

by Ziller on May 21, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

So to clarify

Jrue could be like a Gary Payton point guard?

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 21, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know

Payton was smaller and quicker. Deron Williams is too quick in comparison, too …

by Ziller on May 21, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

The jump to a comparison of Westbrook was based on comments I’ve seen in other threads, coupled with your description of Jrue as a ‘hyperstrong defender with incredible lateral quickness’. To me, that description fits Westbrook and not Holiday.

Perhaps Holiday’s overall performances on both ends of the floor last year have tainted my view of his athleticism, but at no time did his strength or lateral quickness jump out at me.

by cabz on May 21, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

agree with cabz. holiday's D is solid, but not westbrook level, certainly not hyperstrong. :)

as i mentioned in the other thread, holiday’s best quality is his passing. specifically, holiday is right handed, but he passes and finishes better with his left hand. the ability to pass off either hand is why deron williams/steve nash is so freaking effective at the one—both players can pass the ball from damn near anywhere on the court.

by kingsbruins02 on May 20, 2009 7:24 PM PDT reply actions  

here's to Brother Hedo winning a ring...

…nailing a game-winner in Kobe’s face…

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on May 20, 2009 9:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh god

Don’t tell me Petrie’s going to waste another second rounder on another Ewing. His picks last year were a complete and utter waste. EVEN when we had a chance of trading up for a few still left on that board.

by CloudyEyes on May 20, 2009 10:22 PM PDT reply actions  

GP has his eyes on a kid out of Texas

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by section214 on May 20, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

this Ewing can't defend

but can use his whole body to block a shot

by betweentheeyes on May 21, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

2nd Rnd Pick a Waste

And 28 other teams wasted 2nd round picks too.

by bignerd on May 20, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree 87%

From last year’s draft, Mario Cahlmers (34), DeAndre Jordan (35), Luc Mbah a Moute (37) and Mike Taylor (55) all look like they might have solid NBA careers ahead of them. The other 26 guys, not so much.

Given the list of players that will still be available at #31, I think the Kings can get a cheap guy that works hard at practice and occasionally contributes solid game minutes. And for probably less than $500K, much better than signing some creaky old veteran to do the same thing.

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by section214 on May 21, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Last year's second round picks

were horrible.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 21, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

For us that is.

We could’ve used Mike Taylor.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 21, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jrue Holliday - and Who?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 20, 2009 11:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Surprised Holliday is getting talked up so much

He really did not do well during his year at UCLA. I would stay far away with a #4.

by thranduil on May 21, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Jennings gets a lot of talk...

and he didn’t exactly dominate in Europe. Potential can carry players into the lottery, and Jrue certainly has potential, despite his mediocre Freshman year.

 If the Freshman class last year wasn’t so dominate at the top, with the likes of Beasley, Love, Mayo, Rose, and even Griffin, I think Holiday’s showing would seem more par for the course. How many Freshman had great seasons in the NCAA this past season? I can’t think of one at the moment.

by cabz on May 21, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Umm

Lots of players don’t dominate Europe. That’s the way it goes over there.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which one has?

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on May 21, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

European style basketball

is team-oriented. Their usually isn’t a dominant player on one team. Plus any potential dominant players go to the NBA.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 21, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Guys you already have heard of dalt LOL

Which is, i’m very sure, as opposed to pretty sure, your point.

Names: Manu Ginobili, Vlade Divac, Peja Stojakovic, Anthony Parker, Šarūnas Jasikevičius (speaking of whom watching this clip will make you laugh—and before you go that scrub gotta do that with that lady? that’s his wife), Anthony Parker of the Raptors, Drazen Petrovich, Mike D’Antoni among others.

In otherwords, all guys who are notable names over here.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I take that back

They got divoreced in 2008. Go figure.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Statistical Look at these Players

In order of score:

1. Jrue Holiday – Score = 91.5. Very Russell Westbrook-like. I really like his game. Very good defender. May be a better playmaker than Westbrook is but not quite as good a scorer. Jrue takes good shots and doesn’t force it too much. Very good assist/turnover rate of 1.72 is even more impressive considering he wasn’t even playing the point guard position. 1.6 steals per game (in 27.5 minutes) is also very good, especially for a freshman.

2. John Bryant – Score = 84 6’10" 300lb center from Santa Clara. This guy is a load. He is one of the best rebounders statistically in college, grabbing 19 rebounds per game in 40 minutes of play. He had SIX 20/20 games this year. He shoots almost 60% from the field and blocks 2.5 shots per game. The problem is his weight. He is a BIG dude. Not very skilled on the offensive end. He is WIDE and is impossible to move down low but is very slow laterally. I bet the Kings are bringing him in to see if he would be a possible pick at #31 to fill the need as a backup center that can block some shots and rebound. Doubtful though.

3. Aaron Jackson – Score = 82.5. 6’4" combo guard with some good skills. Shot 40% from three and dished out over 5.5 assists with a very good 1.9 assist/turnover rate. The odd thing is that for his first three seasons at Duquesne, he only averaged 8.9 points per game. His senior season however, he jumped up to 19.3. That’s very hard to figure out unless you’ve watched that school very closely, which I haven’t. He shoots a fantastic 54% from the field and grabs a high amount of rebounds for his size. Good steal rate of 1.6 per game (36.7 minutes) but nothing special. Statistically, he has some game but it’s unlikely he’s drafted.

4. Brandon Ewing – Score = 63. 6’2" point guard. More of a scoring point. Can run the point fairly well but doesn’t impress in any one area. His low steal rate, average 3-pt shooting and FG% means that he is probably being brought in to give Jrue and Jackson a workout partner.

5. Tremaine Townsend – Score = 62 6’9" power forward. Can play some center but not big enough for the position. Seems to have decent athleticism. Didn’t improve at all in his senior year. Not a good scorer. Average, at best, shot blocker. What he does best is rebound. In his junior year, he grabbed a very impressive 14.5 rebounds in 40 minutes. This year however, he only managed 11.5 and that’s mostly against players an inch or two smaller. I don’t think Townsend has much of a shot.

6. Josh Akognon – Score = 43 5’11" guard from Cal St. Fullerton. Notice I said “guard” and not “POINT guard”. I’m sorry but if you can only average 1.5 assists per game in the NCAA, you are not a point guard. Josh can score (24 points per game) but scores 5 points less per game than Stephen Curry even though he shoots only one less shot (19.3) a game. Like Ewing, he is very weak in steals at barely 1.0 a game. For a player under 6’0 you HAVE to be a good team defender at least and that steal rate will never cut it. Most power forwards get around 1.0 steal a game. Josh is work-out filler.

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by dalt99 on May 21, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I wonder if the Wolves won't be intrigrued by Holiday

But, I see the Wolves going after Holiday or Evans ultimately unless one doesn’t happen to be there (very unlikely).

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tease

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 21, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

Believe me, I’m eager to post my full list. Look for my post about Ty Lawson later tonight.

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by dalt99 on May 21, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Josh Akognon

I used to call the Big West Tournament games and watched Akognon a ton. This kid is lights out from behind the arc. He’s pretty small, not a great defender, but can score in bunches. Reminded me of Salim Stoudamire. Not sure if that’s a good thing though.

by shahani on May 22, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Basically

Like Stephen Curry without all the other intangibles.

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by dalt99 on May 22, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jrue

I’m pretty confident that Jrue will still be available @ #4

by Napoloean's Tots on May 22, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions  

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