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Ricky Rubio Will Be There at Number Four. I Think.

The theory espoused in the headline is certainly not unique. One of the silver linings expressed by the early optimists of the aftermath was that the two teams which jumped into the No. 2 and No. 3 slots were less obvious Ricky Rubio landing spots than other options. In other words, the Clippers or Wizards at No. 2 would take Rubio. The Timberwolves or Warriors would take Rubio. The Grizzlies? The Thunder? Maybe not.

Today's DraftExpress report -- that Rubio's camp, led by notoriously disruptive agent Dan Fegan, does not find Memphis or Oklahoma City to be suitable landing spots, hoping instead for L.A. or Sacramento -- only reaffirms this. I've heard the same indications DX's Jonathan Givony published: Rubio's family and Fegan feel much more comfortable in Sacramento than they would in Memphis or Oklahoma City.

Why? For all Sacramento's faults (the organization, not the city), the Kings franchise is actually more stable than the one over in Memphis. (Shocking, I know ...) As for the Thunder, they have a point guard and a superstar. Rubio will never be bigger than Kevin Durant in OKC, barring injury or a complete destruction of expectations for Rubio. (This isn't to say Rubio can't be a more important player than Durant in the NBA -- I don't think he ever will be, but it's possible. But Durant is a decade-long MVP candidate, and a decade-long scoring title contender. Chicks dig the long ball, or something.)

If Rubio goes to Sacramento, he will be on the billboards. He will start some time in his rookie year (maybe Day 1). He will sell the jerseys, sell the Fords, sell the Kings. He will fill the seats (never a guarantee anyone can do that in Memphis). And Sacramento has a solid history of building NBA careers for European players. Geoff Petrie is incredibly well respected. This team really has no dramatists (anymore). It's stable, it's safe, and there's some great potential on the roster.

And don't think for a second Fegan will fail in using pressure to turn off the undesirable teams. Because of the buy-out situation, Rubio is a risk to any team which doesn't have an agreement in place ahead of time. Who can control the buy-out process? Fegan. Rubio will have to pay DKV some amount of money to leave, whether up front or in future earnings. Fegan will be among Rubio's representatives in that process. He can make the whole situation really, really difficult for any usurping team.

This is not an endorsement of the ploy by Fegan, leaking it out across the ether that Rubio dislikes Memphis and OKC. It's a bit shady, and I'd much rather land Rubio because Memphis and OKC fall in love with Thabeet and Harden, respectively. But it doesn't reflect poorly on Rubio. He's not making these decisions. He just wants to play in the NBA. And with all due respects to the power brokers involved, we ain't drafting Dan Fegan. We're drafting Ricky Rubio. I don't plan on engaging in any sort of guilt trip if Fegan sneaks Rubio out of Memphis' hands.

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I've made my feelings known in Apoet's thread

So I won’t go there again. But the bigger question is, is it more likely that OKC and Memphis pass on Rubio, leaving him at the #4 for the Kings – or do they make a deal to swap picks?

I would guess the latter…and why wouldn’t either team swing a deal with the Kings if it will net them an additional draft pick or player?

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 21, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

If Memphis could swap all their picks for Sacramento's

And Swap Kenny Thomas and Marko Jaric, I think they would do that for a ton of reason’s. Additionally, because Rubio is the kind of player the Kings would need, they would have to strongly consider that as well.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you're right

My protestations of the Rubio camp’s alleged conduct aside, I think the team needs to do everything within reason to move up to take him.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 21, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

So...

We have Rubio, Jaric and Udrih? Kinda worries my having two underachievers as his point guard mentors…

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on May 21, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Mr. Rubio (aka the Fox), will be susceptible to either of those Bozos.

The only thing either of them could mentor Rubio in is how to date Victoria’s Secrets models…and only Jaric can do that.

Side note: If Jaric can be hitting that, I now have hope that one day I also can be nailing a supermodel.

"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."

by PhutureKings on May 21, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jaric

Has been used as a primary ball handler, but he’s more of a 2 or 3.

Not necessarily a good 2 or 3, but more of a poor-man’s Francisco Garcia. Might do well in limited minutes off the bench.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on May 21, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

What LPA said

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I put the same thing on the other post.

I think a trade of all the draft picks and K9 for Jaric is a very, very real possibility. Makes a lot of sense for both teams, unless GP favors someone else (I doubt it).

"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."

by PhutureKings on May 21, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think swapping the picks makes sense

And taking Jaric on instead of Thomas.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think...

That Jaric could provide some sneaky contributions off the bench. That’s something K9 cannot do.

by Citadel 29 on May 21, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just because he's someone else's terrible overpaid Euro

doesn’t mean he’ll be something other than a terrible overpaid Euro if he joined us. Sometimes the other teams are actually right, and a guy’s flat out bad. The poster child for this is Jaric.

The ultimate victory in competition is derived from the inner satisfaction of knowing that you have done your best and that you have gotten the most out of what you had to give…Howard Cosell

by ForThree on May 22, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're just jealous cuz he puts his jersey on backwards better than you :P

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He'd bring something to our team

err scratch that… someone. I bet that someone put fans in the seats. Especially the coveted male aged 12+ demographic.

by propane on May 23, 2009 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

if the Kings do land him, it will be a trade.

I could also see Petrie sticking with his guns and staying at #4 …. grabbing someone else.

Booyah!

by Dub_TC on May 21, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with the trade

The teams won’t give up on Rubio when they know Sacramento wants them so bad. A trade is the most likely scenario. Especially if they can still get the player they want at 4.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 21, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's the funniest part of the whole thing

Petrie might think Evans/Jennings/Lawson is a better point guard.

But man, it would be hard to pass on Rubio – you get an extremely talented player and a ton of buzz for your franchise. Plus, it would be hard to argue that he isn’t the most NBA-ready PG coming in, even at his young age.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 21, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Petrie thinks Evans/Jennings/Lawson

is the best point guard and sticks with it I’ll be happy with his decision.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 21, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

What Aykis said

I’m happy with the Kings picking 4th. There are options here.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree Aykis/Pookey but....

this isn’t just about being happy with the fourth pick. This pick has to sell tickets and although we know the potential of Evans, Jennings and Lawson(no where near a top 4 pick), these are not what you call household names. Sure Lawson played for the National Champion Tar Heels but Rubio played in the Olympics- an event that garners viewership from all spectrum’s. Rubio’s game is flashy, his name is flashy, he’s a draw here and world wide which is something the Kings desperately need. So although I agree that the other options are attractive to us; the super fans, Petrie needs to do everything in his power to obtain Rubio if he wants this team to sell tickets and stay here in Sacramento.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on May 21, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your point is only partially true jj

I think more casual fans won’t necessarily identify with Rubio (although I would definitely want him as opposed to Brandon Jennings—but I won’t cry about either) until they see him on the court.

I think the hardest part of this whole draft for any particular group is the large group of Blake Griffin supporters who sense the Kings can’t move up for him, but it’s still a possibility that Rubio is attainable. That is my sense though.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really don't like some of the things that might happen here.

The Kings still need either Griffin or Rubio IMO or this team is going to draw 10,000 fans a night. But what does it take because lets be honest here, if a team really wants Rubio, the first pick might be obtainable so how do you trade with a Memphis team that might end up with the player of their dreams if they sit on their pick. The Warriors want Rubio? They might be willing to give up a disgruntled Monté Ellis to get the #1. What if Memphis gave up Rudy Gay and the #2 for Griffin? Then again, he might just slip down to the Kings at #4 and the Kings would have wasted a bunch of assets to get him. This is a cluster F***.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on May 21, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

This is going to be tricky. But having the #4 position has its advantages as well. It could be as simple as OKC or Memphis feeling they can get the guy they really want at #4, so the Kings become the logical team to deal with.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 21, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, I'm afraid that Fegan's comment re Rubio wanting to be in LA...

…just means the Griz will be motivated to offer the Clips Rudy Gay…

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on May 21, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is only one way the Clippers trade Blake Griffin

If they don’t think they can make the playoffs in the next few years consistently with him combined with the veteran talent they have elsewhere on the roster. (They have a high caliber of talent on paper.)

It’s very easy to imagine why the Clippers COULD trade the pick. But, the more I think about this I don’t see it really happening. Of course, I don’t know anything either.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is kind of ridiculous how talented that team is

and how horrible they are

if there were be a +/- stat for coaches Dunleavy would be a -50

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on May 21, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

in fairness to Dunleavy as a coach...

… the combined number of player-games where Davis, Randolph, Camby and Kaman were healthy and trying hard was like 10.

Dunleavy is no great shakes as a coach, but Dunleavy as a GM is way worse.

by jksnake99 on May 21, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way

The Grizzlies trade their franchise player and their pick, which could be Thabeet or Rubio.

If anything, they will draft Thabeet, and the KIngs will have to work out a deal with the Thunder to get Rubio.

I don’t think the Clips are all that interested in Rubio. They would much rather add a player so they can get rid of Camby or Zach Randolph, because Baron Davis is untradeable now.

New Lineup: Davis, Gordon, Thornton, Griffin, Kaman/Camby. Not to mention the players they get for Randolph.

"You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, but wouldn't you rather take a butchers word for it?"

by Sac King on May 22, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another reason the Clippers might keep Griffin and Davis

is that making them a running team seems more feasible. But, that would make sense, and I’m not sure Dunleavy knows how to do that.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I get your point

I was a strong Griffin supporter, we didn’t get the # 1 pick. Oops, sorry but he’s out of our reach. Time to move on and if we could land Rubio I for one would be thrilled. My sense, at least if you think that StR is representative, is that most of the Griffin supporters had a preference for Blake but had little against Rubio and now if we could land Rubio would be very happy with the pick. Again, I’m guessing Pook, but I think if you polled the Griffin supporters you would have a sizable majority would agree that point guard is the position of greatest need.

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by Bluejohn on May 21, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

My sense has little to do with StR BJ

It’s not one user that has anything to do with that either.

I just get the feeling that a fairly large % of the Blake Griffin love is from the fairly large contingent of college basketball fans.

StR is probably not a representative of that group if you ask me.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with Bluejohn

Griffin is a beast, but Rubio has iconic potential. I wouldn’t pass on either, I just would’ve gone Griffin-Rubio 1-2.

by Citadel 29 on May 21, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rubio

could be the Savior for Sacramento franchise. It may keep the Maloofs from running off with the team if old Arco gets filled up to watch this kid play…

If Sacramento needs to give up their first two picks, then so be it, we need Rubio more than any other franchise in the league.

"You can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bulls ass, but wouldn't you rather take a butchers word for it?"

by Sac King on May 21, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Approves

As do I.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on May 21, 2009 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Someone must have told Fegan

About the lucrative “Good Feet” endorsement potential in the Sacramento area.

That alone may cover his buyout. ;)

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 21, 2009 10:22 AM PDT reply actions   4 recs

LOL

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 21, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or Metro PCS

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 21, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't forget

Folsom Lake Ford, and I’m sure Ricky also wants to be in the KHTK commercials with Grant.

“Esta es mi casa, Grant!!”

by eduardo_m7 on May 21, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Rec'd otis

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by section214 on May 21, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t think the potential financial impact of Rubio in a Kings uniform won’t be a big impetus. The Maloofs are bleeding red and stand to lose millions and millions if they do not bring excitement back to Arco. Seats are empty. Fans stay away in droves. Does drafting Jonny Flynn change that?!?

If we have to sweeten the pot by taking back a big contract to move up two spots, and also to slot Rubio in at a higher starting salary, I think the Maloofs bite the bullet, and do it. The increase in revenue through jersey sales, ticket sales, could be a bonanza to a team wallowing in NBA wasteland.

by bench_blob on May 21, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

NBA Wasteland

Oh snap, ExG…do I smell a Baba O’Reily remake? F it, I’ll take the reigns for this one:

Out here in the Central Valley
Call it “Foreclosure Alley”
Ricky Rubio wants to make a livin’.

I don’t need Dan Fegan
Cuz the rumors have already began
Maybe now we’ll get some redemption.
yeah,yeah,yeah,yeah,yeah

Don’t cry
Rubio has his eye
on coming to NBA wasteland

Memphis, take our picks
We’ll take yours & Jaric
To bring back the fire
So we can draft Rubio.

More Spanish speakers are here
The happy times are near
Let’s get together
Before we draft another Douby, yo.

NBA wasteland
It’s only NBA wasteland.
NBA wasteland
Oh, yeah
NBA wasteland
They’re all wasted! (Pretty sure this line refers to Kings fan if we get Rubio, because of the partying that will be going down).

"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."

by PhutureKings on May 21, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

I like it Phuture

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trying not to get my hopes up too much

But my god this would be fantastic

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on May 21, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah I'm not getting my hopes up

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I Hope you guys get lucky with this

And he just falls to you,Is Beno a Spanish speaker?

by southern oregon on May 21, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions  

No but Cisco is to the point that all of his tweets are in Spanish.

Plus Sacramento has a large hispanic community due to the massive agricultural business.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on May 21, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

And StR has me to translate everything Rubio

I’ll even interview him in Spanish if I get a chance.

by eduardo_m7 on May 21, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

You and quite a few others ed

One of the beauties of having a large Spanish speaking fanbase. LOL

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rubio will still be available at #4...

but Petrie will draft Jordan Hill, and we will all cry :(

can you guess that I am also a Raiders fan?

Grant Napier is a Ginger, he can't help it that he's annoying.

by Dastardly D on May 21, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Ziller, I like your point about Sac being more stable than Memphis

Rubio going to Memphis doesn’t change the teams stability. But Rubio coming to Sacramento would change the organization dramatically. He’ll put butts in seats. Everyone will love him for different reasons. He’ll make the Maloofs money. If the Maloofs are making money they’re more likely to be patient when it comes to the arena situation. If this team starts making money again and contributing to the local economy the arena is more likely.

If Rubio goes to Memphis, Memphis is still fucked. If Rubio comes here, he could be a savior

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on May 21, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Sac more stable than Memphis?

I don’t see it. The Grizzlies have a ton of potential. You are right, that Rubio would fill some seat, which it appears the Kings really need.

by daddydai on May 21, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sacramento to Rubio: I just can't quit you

I haven’t seen a collective man crush run this deep since LA and Kobe.

Meanwhile, we’re still talking about a guy who’s not that athletic and can’t really shoot, right? Right.

by nbrans on May 21, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

But...

he’s a great passer, defender, and leader. And he’ll hit his open shots when it counts

sounds like another PG in this league when he was in his prime

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on May 21, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know this has all been said before

But I’ll believe that he can be a good defender when I see it. I think he’s too limited athletically to keep up with the speedy NBA point guards.

If we get him, hope I’m wrong. If, as I suspect, we don’t, hope I’m right.

by nbrans on May 21, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rubio won defensive player of the year in Europe

Also, he held his own against Chris Paul, Kidd, and Darren Williams in the Olympics. Chris Paul and Deron Williams did not blow past him. He held he’s own, and that’s saying a lot from a then 17 yr old kid.

by AyyJude on May 21, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's Spain played zone when Chris Paul and Deron Williams were in

And Chris Paul burned him for an and-one when they were matched up on a fast break.

He seems to play with intensity and should at least be a decent defender, but I think he’s going to struggle with the quickness of the better NBA point guards.

by nbrans on May 21, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Safe to say

that he’ll need help from the interior defenders when guarding Chris Paul. Not a lot of PGs shut him down one-on-one.

by furious.d on May 21, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd settle for "reasonably keep up with" when it comes to Chris Paul

My fear is that Rubio would be more on the order of latter day Jason Kidd, whom even Beno gets excited about playing.

by nbrans on May 21, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get that

But I think that, of all five positions, athleticism is least important among PGs as it relates to defensive ability. Rubio will get a lot of steals and probably a surprising amount of blocks because of his instincts and length. And while it will probably be a little too easy for aggressive PGs to use their quickness to get around him or through him, he should always have help behind him. I think whether he’s perceived as a great defender or a poor defender will corolate directly with the quality of his team’s defense.

by furious.d on May 21, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree to a certain extent

But I also think people tend to understate how much a good defending PG (Billups, Rondo, Paul) can anchor a team’s defense. A Jason Williams/Bibby/Beno point guard puts a whole lot of pressure on the rest of the defense, let alone when you pair them with a sieve like Kevin Martin.

by nbrans on May 21, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think we see eye to eye

I would be hugely disappointed if he was J-Will/Bibby/Beno bad. But I see the Billups, Rondo, Paul set as great defenders more due to their less tangible skills (I know you hate these fuzzy things, sorry) like quick hands, instincts, basketball IQ, etc. and less to their foot speed (though I do admit that strength is important.) For example, J-Will was plenty quick, but was a shitty defender because he didn’t have the awareness to impose his will defensively.

It’s impossible to stay in front of any player with the quicks/handles of the top 10 PGs in the NBA. In my opinion, the best you can do is know where your help is, disrupt the passing lanes, and make smart rotations. I don’t think Rubio’s athleticism should limit his ability to do any of those things.

by furious.d on May 21, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he can do that (which isn't out of the question)

I’ll look pretty stupid, which at this point is probably more likely than not.

by nbrans on May 21, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly

If Petrie has the opportunity to take him and passes it up for another PG I’ll be disappointed, but I won’t question his judgement. I really have no idea how Rubio stacks up with NBA competition. I just know he looks great on film. So your larger point is correct, it’s entirely too early to get excited about this.

by furious.d on May 21, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

This raises an interesting question

The Maloofs are apparently trying to be more hands-off with personnel moves. But you’d have to assume they will be leaning on Petrie heavily to do what it takes to get Rubio.

If Petrie feels one of the other PGs is better than Rubio, how much will the Maloofs factor into the decision making?

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 21, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could be a serious battle

For instance if we had both the option to trade up and to trade down. The Maloofs would presumably want the star power, but what if GP felt it was a better package trading down?

by furious.d on May 21, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm...Chris Paul burned someone for an and-one...

That’s rare.

"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."

by PhutureKings on May 21, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but CP3

burns past just about anyone one on one.

by avishai on May 21, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Talk about a man crush....

I’ll cut Rubio’s lawn for free as long as he’s a KING.

by AyyJude on May 21, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Assuming you're white

i would love the irony of a white man doing a hispanic man’s lawn

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on May 21, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

I always thought it referenced

Spanish speaking Latin America. But I just Googled it and it appears to be more a linguistic/cultural term. Thanks for sparking my curiosity. Learned something new at STR!!

by Kusian on May 21, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I used to think that too

until my wife, whose father is from Spain corrected me when I told her she wasn’t Hispanic

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on May 21, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well...Let's not start sucking each other's (King Dogs) just yet...

Hope IS a good, maybe the best of things, but…

After 2 months of hoping that we were going to land the first or second pick, let’s not set ourselves up for another disappointment. I’d rather be surprised than devastated…but Love Live the Kings!!!!!

by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on May 21, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions  

You are on fire today Phuture

I applaud you.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

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by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you, Sir.

I have to make up for my impending absence…moving back to Sactown from Tucson. Done w/ law school. Gonna buckle down now and study for the bar, but gonna take a few days to get up there. Brain is fried.

"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."

by PhutureKings on May 22, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really, Otis? I'm not shedding a tear for either Memphis or OKC

Memphis should no longer be involved in league after the Pau Gasol trade to the Lakers. That deal stunk to high hell and the entire Western Conference has suffered because of the injustice. Memphis has no fans and no hope for a good, self-inflicted reasons. Let them suffer and let them learn.

I was around when Billy Owens refused to play in Sacramento. He had good reason. Lukenbill was only interested in running a profitable franchise off a shoestring budget so completely ignored his basketball guys if a moved involved any financial risk. Hence we were an awful, plague of a franchise for well over a decade.

OKC isn’t exactly on the up and up either. They have lots of young, great talent they have acquired from high draft picks the last few years. They are in a far better position than most franchises. There is record is so bad because they refuse to fill their roster in with role players to help them win. Instead, they stay artificially bad so they can continue to stockpile more top draft picks.

I might feel a little bad if Rubio’s agent was attacking the Clippers because that franchise has tried to win and compete over the last 5 years. They had a good nucleus and lost it because of injury. They spent big money bringing Baron Davis than their franchise guy, Elton Brand turned his back on them. Even then, they didn’t give up. They took big risks bringing in Camby and Zach Randolph.

Really, I’m not sticking up for either franchise. It’s questionable whether either of them are actually playing by the spirit of the rules. If Rubio, wants to stick it back to them than I am on board.

by bignerd on May 21, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

The Kings

A winning or even a competitive team will help the Maloofs bottom line more than anything. I would suggest some fan friendly gestures like lowering ticket prices and concessions and some honesty in dealing with the public wouldn’t hurt either.

If I’m the Maloofs I would be very reluctant to risk my future on an 18 year old, would you take on more salary or deal a promising player (when you have a team the needs all the talent it can get) to move up in the draft I can’t see it happening.

Listening to Grant wax hopelessly and with a degree of hypocricy on this topic yesterday, when in the past he said the Kings would take Griffin if they picked first as he would probably be better than Thompson even in Thompson has looked like a real player, in that you take the best player as thats best for the team. Imagine a big man rotation of Hawes, JT and Griffin thats pretty good.

If you assume Rubio is the next best player in the draft

But last night he was saying Memphis and OKL would/could pass on Rubio as they have a point guard. If I’m the GM of either of these teams and think Rubio is better or could be better than what I have would I not then draft Rubio, so I could either in time trade the lesser talent, or use all the talents they have? To steal from Bill Simmons, OKL could use Westbrook at the 2 and start Rubio, that could be a pretty good team.

The Kings are a ways away from being good, to me you draft the best players you can and go from there

by Murf on May 21, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

And 214 with the obligatory Simpsons reference.....

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

What kind of offers do you guys think Memphis/OKC will be getting for their picks?

Will anyone dangle an all-star for the chance to draft Ricky? If so, who?

by jksnake99 on May 21, 2009 12:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Portland is interested

However, they don’t have a good pick nor seem willing to give up one of their better pieces.

by bignerd on May 21, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think Portland would have a shot to get Conley if Memphis called Ricky's bluff and drafted him, but I have a hard time seeing Portland making the best offer for the #2 pick

Also, I don’t think Ricky wants to play in Portland given Nate McMillan’s handling of his fellow Spanish PG Sergio Rodriguez.

As a Blazer fan, I’d love to get Ricky, but it ain’t happening.

I’m still holding out some hope for Conley though.

by jksnake99 on May 21, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

But Jake, it doesn’t matter that Conley is a good passer, plays good position defense, and shoots well from three. Bayless has potential!

Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."

by Cablinasian on May 21, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, Conley can shoot and pass and is athletic

but Bayless is athletic and might learn to shoot and pass.

by jksnake99 on May 21, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ooooh. Potential.

Fearthesword.com: "There is no doubt that the long layoff, combined with the ease of the first two rounds had the Cavaliers a bit tired in the 4th quarter."

by Cablinasian on May 21, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not a big Conley fan

I thought the combination of playing next to Oden and the unjust Tony Parker comparison (while Tony was having a monster year) gave Conley an undeserving bump in projection. Than again, if we have Portland’s talent and trotting out Steve Blake as PG I’d be desperately in love with any other PG.

You know Blazers fans this your GM’s fault. If you hadn’t jumped us to steal Bayless last year we would be patiently sitting at the #4 pick willing to take the BPA. Instead we need to outbid almost anyone to get people interested in our upcoming season.

by bignerd on May 21, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Memphis would be stupid to call his bluff

So its a real possibility,Rickeys i will just play in Spain for more $’s trumps and would make him much harder to trade.

by southern oregon on May 21, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

jksnake99- there are a lot of Andre Miller rumors regarding the Blazers-

I would keep my players and go after a mentor for young Bayless.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on May 21, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think that works...

Neither team would want to take on an All-star’s salary, so they would have to dump contracts as well. I can’t imagine any team would love Rubio enough to give up an all-star AND take on a bad contract to get Rubio.

by Charlieb on May 21, 2009 1:07 PM PDT reply actions  

that's probobly a good take

I’ve got to believe that someone will make Memphis a good offer though. Too many GMs love Ricky for that not to happen.

by jksnake99 on May 21, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

C'mon Harden

Prove your brilliance of your past greatness in your workouts. Show Oklahoma City that you’re more deserving than Rubio!

by CloudyEyes on May 21, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Chad Ford reports . . .

(Ok, that’s your cue to know this information contains no factual data nor is it based on reality.)

The entire Memphis front office is enthralled with Rubio however Memphis’s owner Michael Heisley is dead set on drafting Hasheem Thabeet. You go Mr. Heisley, channel your inner Maloof. Maybe it’s time fire back up that private jet for a pep talk if his resolve should waiver.

Washington Wizards are in hot pursuit of OKC #3 pick in order to grab Rubio. They are willing to swap #5 pick and JaVale McGee. The trade makes complete sense from the Thunder’s perspective.

However, it makes absolutely no sense from the Washington perspective. I’m sure Rubio and his agent would be thrilled with the inevitable looming cat fight with the black Zoolander, Gilbert Arenas. Spare me the argument that Arenas could move to SG, he’s a ball hog to the infinite degree and an insecure player to boot. Really, when would Rubio ever touch the ball? No one in there right mind is going to trade for Gilbert with that contract and injury history. The situation would be nothing but the most obvious, predictable disaster and I don’t see Rubio crossing the Atlantic to be apart of it.

by bignerd on May 21, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions  

This is why I think it is imparitive to move up ASAP which might be difficult.

The sooner the Kings can try to get the #2 the better. If you land the #2, there is always that rare chance that some idiot take Rubio #1 and then presto chango, the Kings land Blake Griffin. I’m willing to give up a lot for one of these two guys- I don’t think it is worth waiting around for.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on May 21, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

No trades don’t typically happen until the day of the draft. However, trades are agreed upon from time to time a few days or a week prior than made official at the draft.

by bignerd on May 21, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let us

wait and see. Rubio would be an amazing add to this Kings team, people always look at measurable statistics when it comes to the draft, but the statistics on Rubio don’t really tell the story. Steve Nash was a two time MVP and John Stockton is one of the best players ever; they didn’t really ever have elite athleticism. Rubio really reminds me of a bigger John Stockton…great leader, ball hawk, and an okay spot up shooter. Rubio has been hyped since he was 15…this kid has been improving every year. The guy is a legit 6’4’’ with a 6’7’’ wingspan he will be at the very least a decent defender. We will regret not finding a way to get him.

Hope

by Ultrakingsfan on May 21, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I will buy season tickets if we get Rubio...

And/or split them with another StR member, but the point remains if we had a distributor to get the ball to all of our offensive talent win or lose this would be a fun team to watch.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on May 21, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to rain on the parade, but...

Weren’t we the ones saying “you pick the best player available, don’t draft based on needs,” before the draft? Now what is making us think that Memphis and OKC aren’t thinking the same thing to themselves? This new news of Rubio wanting to come to Sac or LAC definitely helps our situation, but I just don’t see him dropping to 4. We gotta trade up in this draft if we want him.

by UCIrvine kings fan on May 22, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

That's a given

It’s pretty much what the Kings would have to give up is really the question.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even if

he did drop to #4 which I do hope happens; there might be conflict between K-Mart & him. Watching Rubio shows that he is more of a shooting PG. It just depends on how many shots K-Mart is willing to give up.

by Napoloean's Tots on May 22, 2009 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Watching Rubio

Do you mean his youtube vids or actual games? Because he’s widely known as a distributer rather than a passer. Watching the games shows this. Watching youtube, not so much.

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on May 22, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is not a reliable shooter. He does pass first. Also, I’ve read that he is turnover prone.

AKA - 4D

by daddydai on May 23, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has a 2 to 1 Assist to TO ratio this season in the ACB

About 6 assists to 3 Turnovers. If that’s turnover prone, than so be it.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 23, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

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