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The Case for Ty Lawson - Statistically Speaking

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*My systems rating of Ty Lawson: 99.0 (All-Star/Superstar)*

 

Many of you know about the college player statistical system that I have been using for the last few years. I unveiled it last year. This post isn’t really about my system, but it IS about statistics. It’s my case for drafting Ty Lawson with the 4th pick in the 2009 NBA draft.

 

The Kings' main position need is what? A point guard.

 

They need a point guard that can do four main things:

1. Defend.

2. Run a team and create shots for others, not just himself.

3. Shoot the three reliably.

4. High basketball IQ, play under control, is tough, is a leader and a winner.

 

Ty Lawson does all four and does them well.

 

1. He has quick feet and has one of the highest steal rates per minute of all point guards in the NCAA. Yes, he is barely 6’0 tall but so is Chris Paul.

2. He averaged NINE (9.0) assists per game per 40 minutes played. That is second only to Levance Fields among the top 50 NCAA point guard prospects this year.

3. Made almost half of his 3-pt attempts and almost 1/3 of his shots were threes.

4. Led his college team to the NCAA championship and was the best player on that team. He had nine steals in the NCAA championship game. Lawson went to the free throw line nearly six times per game. He is fearless going to the basket and will throw his body around. This season, he had one of the highest assist to turnover rates in NCAA history at 3.5/1.

 

Saving my best for last, there is one nearly SURE FIRE way to know that a point guard at the college level is going to be excellent in the NBA. Go to their stats page and look at their last two seasons of play. Get a calculator and look to see if they match ALL of the following criteria:

 

  • 50% FG shooting or better
  • An average of over 15 points per 40 mintues
  • An average of over 6.0 assists per 40 minutes
  • An assist/turnover rate of 2:1 or better
  • An average of over 2.5 steals per 40 minutes

 

In the past 30 years, there are very few players that have done all of that in the same season. Here are the only 8 players I know of (along with the stats of their best NBA season) that have reached all 5 of those marks:

 

John Stockton (17.2 pts, 14.5 assists, 2.7 steals, 51.4 FG%, 41.6 3-pt%, 4.1/1 A/T rate)

Isiah Thomas (21.2 pts, 13.9 assists, 2.3 steals, 46.0 FG%, 3.76/1 A/T rate)

Rod Strickland (17.8 pts, 10.5 assists, 1.7 steals, 5.3 boards, 43.4 FG%, 3/1 A/T rate)

Gary Payton (24.2 pts, 8.9 assists, 1.9 steals, 6.5 boards, 34.0 3-pt%, 3.3/1 A/T rate)

Tim Hardaway (22.9 pts, 9.7 assists, 2.6 steals, 47.6 FG%, 38.5 3-pt%, 2.9/1 A/T rate)

Andre Miller (16.5 pts, 10.9 assists, 1.6 steals, 4.7 boards, 45.4 FG%, 3.6/1 A/T rate)

Antonio Daniels (11.2 pts, 4.1 assists, 0.7 steals, 43.8 FG%, 4.1/1 A/T rate)

Chris Paul (22.8 pts, 11.0 assists, 2.8 steals, 5.6 boards, 50.3 FG%, 36.4 3-pt%, 3.7/1 A/T rate)

 

Now, you can add Ty Lawson to that list.

 

That’s quite a select group which includes 3 (or 4 if you include Chris Paul) of the best point guards in the history of the NBA. Not only has Lawson pulled it off this season but last season as well and in his freshman year he only missed because his steal rate was 2.37. I don’t know if I personally think that Ty Lawson will be as good as some of the players listed above, but the stats are in his favor. Of course, you don’t have to have those five things to become a great point guard (Magic shot less than 50% as did Jason Kidd, etc.), but if you do have them, as you can see, so far, it’s a near (Antonio Daniels) guarantee that you will become an excellent NBA player. Lawson’s assist/turnover rate is phenomenal at 3.5:1. That high a number is almost unheard of in college and one of the highest in NCAA history. His 3-pt shooting has increased from 36% to 47% - the same % Chris Paul had coming out of college. Needless to say, I think that Lawson is underrated in this draft and should be a top 10 lottery pick – if not a top 5, even at 5’11". Just for comparison sake here are Ty Lawson’s junior stats next to Chris Paul’s sophomore stats (note: CP3 matched the above criteria in his freshman year):

 

TL: 29.9 min, 16.6 pts, 6.6 assists, 2.1 steals, 53.2 FG%, 47.2 3-pt%, 3.5:1 a/t

CP: 33.4 min, 15.3 pts, 6.6 assists, 2.4 steals, 45.1 FG%, 47.4 3-pt%, 2.4:1 a/t

 

Chris Paul rated at 100 so it’s not a shock to me to see Ty Lawson rated where he’s at. Am I saying Lawson will be as good as Paul?

 

NO.

 

All I am saying is that I pray that Petrie and the rest of the scouts take a VERY CLOSE and SERIOUS look at Lawson. Most mock drafts have him going anywhere from between 7 to 17 – same as where Westbrook was sitting at this point last year.

 

Statistically he’s the "next Chris Paul" but statistics can lie (yes, I said it) and I honestly do NOT think he will be, however I do hope that the Kings give him a very close look, to say the least.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Wow Dalt

Quite the list you posted there. I’m not really sure what to say, other than I’m a fan, and I believe you don’t do this for shits & giggles. It has real statistical value, and I’m glad you posted it.

You’re argument that height has nothing to do with Lawson’s real value is an impotant one. I don’t believe height is a great indicator of value.

Things I like about Lawson: He went to the combine last year, and if you notice how he & Chris Paul tested, there is one large difference: wingspan. Paul is also slightly taller.

Having said all that, if Ty Lawson was the guy, I’d not have a single problem with him.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 9:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Point (no pun intended)

Lawson does not match up with Paul when it comes to the combine. That’s one of the reasons why I don’t think Lawson has a chance to be as good as him. Lawson is more of a scorer than Paul. Chris is more of a playmaker. Scoring as a 5’11" guard in the NBA will be difficult. I think Lawson will be an excellent playmaker but I think he looks to score a bit too much right now. If he focuses on passing and breaking down the offense to set people up, I think the sky is the limit for him.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on May 22, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post, dalt

My favorite thing about this time of year – your statistical research.

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by section214 on May 21, 2009 9:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

It’s a ton of work but it’s a ton of fun. I just hope to keep refining my research so it gets as useful and correct as a statistics-only system can get.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on May 22, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice job

Its strange how guys like him who have been around can be edged out by whatever the flavor of the month is.

I really like they guy, just not sure there’s anyone at 4 I’d want to use a 4th pick on.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 21, 2009 9:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You have a month to figure it out

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh-dyup!

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 21, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's still true

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 21, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you use the 4th pick on a lesser Chris Paul?

I would. Again, it’s only numbers, but they bode well. I just worry about his overall playmaking skills. Chris is just so awesome in that area.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on May 22, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post dalt99, thanks...

"geez its like this site is so serious i jus wanna git mai opinyons on tha Kings out there ok" - TZ

by sroufe on May 21, 2009 10:17 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Great post!

Nice argument for Lawson.

by Doryano on May 21, 2009 10:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's no fun to hype the known commodities...

Super post – where I think that Lawson compares most with CP3 though is that both have a large body of college work from which to disect, disseminate and ultimately, criticize. We all (NBA GM’s included) tend to put more stock in what a player could become rather than what they actually are – sometimes that works, but more often, it doesn’t.

Personally, I see a lot of Jameer Nelson in Lawson. Super leader, tough as nails – hell of a ballplayer. I would take that in a heartbeat…

by Mcamp49 on May 21, 2009 10:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

On Nelson

Lawson seems to be a much more polished scorer.

by Doryano on May 21, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Nelson is quite polished...

This year: 16 ppg, 50% FG, 45% 3PT, 88% FT
Senior year @ St. Joe’s (per 40): 24 ppg, 47.5% FG, 39% 3 PT, 79% FT

By my quick estimation, Nelson barely missed making Dalt’s list on two counts: 47.5% FG and 1.9 assist/turnover ratio. And on that St. Joe’s team, he had to be as much a scorer as a distrubutor…

Beyond all of stats though, the bottom line is that Nelson is one super point guard. In fact, I think that he is probably the difference between Orlando beating Cleveland in the Eastern Finals. And after reading Dalt’s post and thinking about it, it seems as if Lawson could be the player in this draft that everyone overlooks because he is too obvious.

by Mcamp49 on May 22, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being a leader is another plus in the skills department

particularly for this team (though I think SHawes has that ability as well).

We also tend to look not only at the similarities: Jameer Nelson, DJ Augustin based on size, position and abilities but at the high/low outcomes: Chris Paul <————→ Mateen Cleaves. Of course making those determinations is best left to the professionals (Geoff Petrie in particular).

by betweentheeyes on May 22, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GREAT comparison

I agree with you. Jameer is a very good comparison. They are both strong and tough players that run their teams well. I think that Lawson could become a better playmaker than Nelson but I think they are about the same as scorers. Lawson is probably a slightly better outside shooter.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on May 22, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is really impressive to me...

Looking at the list of NBA players who met your criteria, they all have a phenomonal assist/turnover rates. Boy, is that something this team could use…

Also, and I don’t think this can be understated, the Kings could use his leadership/maturity. Outside of Rubio, who probably has too much talent and potential to pass up if available, most of the point guards that the Kings would likely consider with this pick are very young and probably somewhat inmature. That’s not to say that they won’t mature into potential leaders, but you are going to have to wait for it if it ever happens at all. Lawson is a proven leader at the highest level of college basketball and sure as hell looks like the type of young man who could be a leader in the NBA as well…

by Mcamp49 on May 22, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In our Draft Boards

I started picking Ty Lawson after Griffin and Rubio were off the board.

Go, Mighty Mouse!

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on May 22, 2009 7:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too

After watching Lawson in the title game I couldn’t understand why more StR posters were not supporting him. 9 steals in the title game. NINE STEALS!!! Plus he already looks like a tank. I’d love to see that guy apply some back court pressure, just maul people.

by BrooklynFan on May 22, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?

Mateen Cleaves, Bobby Hurley, Ed Pickney

I’d love to see that guy apply some back court pressure, just maul people.

maul people? hmmm,

maybe you would prefer him:

by betweentheeyes on May 22, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Actually, that kind of question is asked in the NFL Drafts

Typically those formulas only work if scouts first populate the list with players they believe can be a top notch performers.

by bignerd on May 24, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Johnson

As a quick shout out, if anybody can find me KJ’s college statistics I would be forever greatful. No website that I know of lists his stats at Cal.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on May 22, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it is hard

I can’t find any that I normally would just to check. (I’m surprised Basketball Reference doesn’t, but then again, it’s probably not readily available either.)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

It’s so frustrating because by looking at the numbers he put up in the NBA I would bet a lot of money that he would be added to the list above as meeting the criteria. He was a stud.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on May 22, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is proof

That you can’t find everything on the ’net. And yes, I spent probably 45 minutes trying to find that information.

You might have to go old school and hit the library – or a Barnes & Noble.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 22, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's out there

It’s just finding it.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin's Stats...for whatever its worth...

17.2 points and 5 assists his senior year at Cal including the first Pac 10 Conference Triple Double.

by SactownheartOChouse on May 22, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Stats in general...

I am working on a tool that allows you to do this exact kind of anaylsis…I will keep you all posted the progress.

It is annoying when you want to compare and contrast and you cannot find the data or sort stats the way you want.

by SactownheartOChouse on May 22, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Be interested to see what you find

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking forward to it!

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on May 22, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Post

I have been high on Lawson for some time and would take him right after Rubio.

Aaron Brooks is only 5’11" and he tore it up during the playoffs. In addition, Lawson has almost 35 lbs of muscle on him.

If we get Lawson, I would be more than happy.

Is he schedlued to work-out for the Kings???

Thanks again….

by nothingbutnet on May 22, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

According to DX

Brooks has a long wingspan as well. This hurts my feelings towards Lawson. It’s not damaging completely, but I have a feeling there’s a better potential player or two than him.

Of course, I’m probably wrong too.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who are you referring to?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 23, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at the first comment to begin the thread

It’s there.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 23, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give me Magic
Of course, you don’t have to have those five things to become a great point guard (Magic shot less than 50% as did Jason Kidd, etc.), but if you do have them, as you can see, so far, it’s a near (Antonio Daniels) guarantee that you will become an excellent NBA player.

Any critieria that cancels out Magic, easily the best point gaurd ever, and instead delivers a list of guys with two NBA titles between them can and should be be tweaked.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 22, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

John Stockton & Carl Malone

Two NBA future Hall of Famers didn’t achieve a championship. The Bulls just were too damn deep and had the greatest player in NBA history.

Some great players just aren’t lucky enough to have a great supporting cast. Had Garnett not relocated he could be in the same boat.

Derrick Fisher is a good example of someone who has achieved rings due to his supporting cast.

by nothingbutnet on May 22, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

Also, Magic came out after his Sophomore year. If he would have played all 4 years, I’m sure he would have shot 50% or above in one season. Sometimes players don’t match the criteria because they only played a year or two in college.

Here’s a tasty tidbit – Only Chris Paul and Ty Lawson have matched the criteria in either their freshman or sophomore college seasons. Not even Stockton did it.

Yes, I could tweak my system to lower the criteria for freshman compared to sophomores compared to juniors compared to seniors, but it’s meant to be a simple guide to test a point guard. How about this – lower the criteria by 10% for each stat for freshman and 5% for sophomores and BAM there you go. Magic is in. Stockton is in. Payton is in, etc.

Not hard.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on May 22, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got your point but just to be clear, I thought DFish Was the supporting cast

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by Bluejohn on May 23, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I probably could have written it more clearly but yes,

Derrick was the supporting cast surrounded by stars that allowed him to get his rings. Fisher is an adequate role player and there are probably a lot of guys who could have filled that role just as well.

by nothingbutnet on May 23, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

Magic? Not Oscar Robertson best ever? Oscar averaged 30.8 pts, 11.4 assists and 12.5 rebounds one year and averaged a triple double 3 times.

Either way, all I need to do is drop the FG% criteria to 46.3% or above.

There you go. Magic is in now. Problem solved.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on May 22, 2009 7:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Whoops

This was supposed to be a reply to coolcat above..

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by dalt99 on May 22, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We get the point dalt

Any “real” list that doesn’t include Magic on greatest PG’s is stupid. We know that’s not what this list was about though.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oscar was pretty awesome

but Magic could play all the positions and ended up with more hardware.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 22, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Secondary point

Point guard is not that important of a position in the NBA. It’s not a defining position like the other four can be.

It’s true we have a crappy point guard, but we really only need to upgrade to a decent point guard. Look at the four point guards left in the playoffs now: only Chauncey Billups is among the elite. Maybe Mo Williams, but you get that kind of guy with a lower pick. There are tons of point guards in this draft,

I see all the Rubio love and I think he’s not athletic enough and that’s too high a draft pick to waste on an unathletic point guard when you could instead try to find a star at one of the more pivotal positions. And do the Kings really need another unathletic body on the floor to go with the “pieces” we already have?

Take a point guard at 23 and take a “real” position player with the higher pick.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 22, 2009 9:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jameer Nelson is better than Mo Williams

And he’s not playing for the Magic. So, in fact, that’s 3 teams with good to very good PG’s on 3 of the Final 4 teams in the NBA this year. Just 1 is not playing, and Nelson hasn’t since February.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And they

almost went up 2-0 on the Cavs without Nelson’s sub. In fact, they’ve got Hedo playing a lot of point forward.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 23, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point guard not important?

You’ve been making sense for the last two days and then you post that. Center/pg are the most important positions in the NBA, it’s not even worth debating.

Besides Griffin, in this draft, other than point guards who are you going to take at the 4 spot who plays a “real” position?

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on May 23, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

meant to reply to CCRDC

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on May 23, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You did

If you are ever in doubt, just click on the up link at the bottom of a comment, and it will jump to the “parent” comment.

by smgmatt on May 23, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

An idea worth pursuing
  • Identify the starters for every team.
  • Find out how much money in tied up in starters vs. reserves.
  • Find out how much money is tied up in each starting position.
  • Separate the data by the good teams and the bad to see whose is doing what.
  • Follow the best practices.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 23, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't waste my time on this

30 team sample size is too small to draw any meaningful conclusions and there are factors that will skew the results. A young team with starters on their rookie contracts will skew the numbers when compared to an older team with all of it’s starters on 2nd or 3rd contracts.

For it to be meaningful, I think you’d have to take yearly data for each of the last 10+ years. The longer the better, and then maybe track how each team’s payroll evolved and see if you can find any correlation between that and performance. Do that for each team and see if any patterns emerge, and then maybe you could draw a reasonable conclusion.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 23, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of that has been done already Kfan

The NBA doesn’t always have a high wage to win potential for 3 reasons: The Suns in 2004-05 (alot of young talent on rookie contracts performing at a very high level), the Knicks who’ve overpaid every player on their roster and still stunk, and teams like the Mavs that have a high payroll but don’t necessarily have the highest level of wins year in & out.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 23, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dalt? Question.

I am sure you are going to get around to this, but how do some of the point guards like Maynor, Teague, etc. measure up using your metrics?

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 22, 2009 9:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

usually after the measurements become public.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 23, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will post them soon

I may post another case post. Next for Evans. Not sure yet. The full list will come out in mid June. I will say though that most of the popular and talked about point guards in this draft all rate over an 86. It’s an exceptional point guard class this year.

Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)

by dalt99 on May 24, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is also why, dalt,

that so many of them will go early. Which was another reason why if you pick Blake Griffin at 1st overall, you’re not necessarily going to have the PG you really want at 23.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

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