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KWOD 106.5

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In other news.

 

Concerning Mr. Ricky Rubio to the Grizz/OKC/Us/Wiz and his agent, Dan Fegan.

Here is the deal. Pau didn't like the way the Grizzlies were ran, Juan Carlos Navarro hated playing for them, and Marc hasn't really publicly said anything, but all the Spaniards talk. I honestly don't know why Memphis/Portland gets them all anyway, but it doesn't really make sense to go there from Rubio's standpoint. His countrymen hated it, he will have competition for minutes, and Memphis is the 48th largest media market in the US (out of 289 ranked). Adversely, Sac is 16th, with no other local pro sports competition. OK City is 36th.

It is a no-brainer as far as Fegan is concerned. If the Clips were to ship out BDiddy, then that is his first choice. That team is loaded with talent. Clay for Rubio to mold in the 2nd largest media market (behind NY). Sac is right after LA in terms of desirability not only because of market size, but also because our fan-base would endear itself to Rubio. He would have a team that would grow with him, and possibly be a contender after a few years. He would have free will to do pretty much whatever he wanted on the court, as well as some players that would really benefit from his presence.

This is all a moot point if the Clips are playing jungle ball and plan on taking Rubio, but if not then the Kings have to be considered candidates if they are willing to make a move.

In any event (Griffin or Rubio) Clippers would either:
A: Have to move Baron, which i am not sure they are ready to do yet, even though he has proven that he can't mesh with the coach. Not to mention, that contract is hard to move. I could see the Mavs biting, in there ever-changing desperation, or even the Rockets, they might not want to let Aaron Brooks drive until he can see over the steering wheel.

B: Have to move Z-Bo, which they are MORE than willing to do, and even though the task seems daunting, there are a few teams that I think would be ready to take him. He's a 20-10 guy, lets not forget that. The Pacers would certainly take a look at him, filling a hole at the 4 while also taking the opportunity to pack Tinsleys bags, possibly re-uniting the Dunleavy's as well. Maybe Milwaukee would consider it, shipping out Jefferson and Ridnour for Randolph, moving Charlie to the 3 and possibly making some room to re-sign Sessions.

Being that the second scenario has essentially been promised (might be a curveball though) by Clips execs, that puts Sacto in prime position. Memphis would certainly ask for the 4, cash considerations, and either a player, the 23rd (we should try to keep this), or a conditional future pick. This would put them in the position they would like to be in, drafting a player they need without paying too high of a price.

If Memphis decides to go Thabeet, then OKC will be looking to trade down. This is where the Kings could suffer. The Wizards like Rubio just as much as we do, and they can offer a package that is much more enticing to the Thunder. The 5 pick, which could potentially turn into Harden or Hill, Nick Young, and Brendan Haywood or Blatche/Songaila for the 3 and a guy like Malik Rose or Nenad Krstic.

Even with all this conjecture, it all depends on what Petrie decides is best for the team. I think it is a no-brainer from our perspective as well. You do what you can to get him within a decent amount of explainable reason.

Wiz fans have resigned themselves to the fact that they would have to ship out Young to get Rubio, but they are willing to do that. They gave up on that kid quick. Even so, I'd rule the Wizards as the most unlikely team to come out on top in Rubio sweepstakes. If Clippers take Griffin, the Kings need to shoot up to 2 and take Rubio. If the Clips take Rubio, you trade down with a team like the Pacers or Warriors and get Lawson and another young player.

Ideally, if the Clips do what they are supposed to do and take Griffin, we will be in a decent position to move up and get the guy we want. Worst case, we end up with Jennings, Holliday, Lawson, Evans, or Teague. I prefer Lawson of the bunch, but I think that its a toss up for any of them when we are talking about who is going to be the better player. Evans and Jennings both potentially could be better than Rubio, Lawson as it is is probably better right off the bat, but with him you pretty much know what you are going to get. I don't know enough about Holliday or Teague to get excited about them at this point.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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If the Griz want to save $

as mentioned on Hoops World, do they really want to take back contracts? Could be that the 4, some cash, and the first 2nd rnd pick (which is not guaranteed $) could do the trick. If all of this is for real.

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by SavageBeast on May 22, 2009 3:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The biggest problem I have with all this is

Memphis can take back a contract this season now because they are under the cap. Have been all year long.

You have to be above a minimum threshold (75% of the salary cap limit; for instance if the salary is 60 million dollars you have to have 45 million committed in salary) or else you get penalized.

If the salary cap goes to about 57 million and change, the Grizzlies would have to have at least 42.75 million in committed salary for next season, and next year, they only have 35 million and change committed.

In otherwords, they don’t have many reasons to use cap space if they don’t want to. They’ll be just fine with the draft picks and a few minimum signings.

The only way I could see them doing a deal with Sacramento is swapping picks potentially and the Kings trading Kenny Thomas and Marko Jaric.

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by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, I can buy that

But then the whole money question becomes moot. If they already have to spend at least $7+mil the issue is not saving money. It’s about getting who you want for your money while still remaining high enough to get the pick you want. I can see the KT deal because it frees up money next year. But it doesn’t make sense to drop down this year, just to save money if you have to spend it anyway?

So if they trade down they will want another player or another pick or straight cash, or all three. Or am I just totally confused? (Not mutually exclusive.)

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by SavageBeast on May 22, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to say what Memphis wants

They’ve had cap room, and remember SB, they did try to sign Josh Smith a year ago. (Atlanta matched though.)

The thing with Memphis is what they try to get out of the deal. It hurts them on two fronts because if they take Rubio, it means limited commodities in return for them.

If the Kings have to give up both of their draft picks to get Rubio, I wouldn’t be shocked. But, if they do that, there isn’t a lot of reason to swap Thomas and Jaric.

It’s a dicey situation for Memphis because they have to get the player they want here, and it’s likely to be Thabeet. If it’s not, and it probably is, then the Kings might have a shot at Rubio at 4.

I think we’ll see something happen days before the trade. Rubio may pull out of the draft because the scenario doesn’t favor him unless a team moves up to get him. Memphis might take him at the 2nd overall pick and trade down for a better package.

All I know is if the KIngs were sitting 3rd, and OKC 4th, this wouldn’t be an issue at all.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the dealings could very happen beneath the table

handshakes and promises will proceed any announcement. It has to be that way. I say, bring in the bunnies! The boy is 18, bring him to the Palms.

by betweentheeyes on May 22, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

106.5 changed formats

its bullshit. Hopefully Sims still has a job. If not maybe its time for Ziller to start an StR podcast with him as host

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on May 22, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Baron

I don’t see that contract being moved. And OKC could move down to Washington’s spot, but you have to wonder if they have their eye on someone specific, and if so are they willing to take a chance that Petrie grabs him.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 22, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I still say that if the Clips' desire to get rid of Z-Bo is stronger than their desire to get Griffin or Rubio

then we swap picks and take Randolph for Thomas and Nocioni. Next, assuming Memphis takes Thabeet, we swap picks with OKC (Griffin for Rubio) and trade Beno for Jeff Green.

This scenario is a bit of a reach because it depends on quite a bit. But mostly it depends on Donald Sterling’s cheapness, which is never to be underestimated, and Memphis’ willingness to take Thabeet, who they apparently do like.

At this point, I’m no longer trying to talk myself into liking this and am all aboard the Zach Randolph bandwagon. Get ’er done Petrie

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by vfettke on May 22, 2009 3:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If you even consider doing this you have to unload Beno's contract instead of Nocioni's.

Nocioni can still be dealt to contenders and has some value around the league, Z-Bo and Beno do not, as the economic crisis has made bad contracts that much worse.

All in all I am against any move that nets us Z-Bo.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on May 23, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My scenario sends Beno to the Thunder

Taking Randolph is essentially consolidating the Beno and Noc contracts (but about $10 mil less) into one larger annual contract that is a year shorter (2 years in Beno’s case because of his player option)

Plus it nets us Ricky Rubio and Jeff Green. A big part of this for me would be for Randolph to get waived or even used next year as trade bait for his huge expiring contract

Our starting 5 looks like this:

Rubio
Martin
Green
JT
Hawes

Then maybe we sign Diogu on the cheap and BJax for the vet minimum

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by vfettke on May 23, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I brought this up on another thread

What are the Wiz going to do with Rubio? They already have Gilbert Arenas who needs the ball in his hands at all freaking times. Not only that, Gilbert wouldn’t exactly endure himself to the kid cause he is easily threatened. The odds of the Clippers trading Baron or Z-Bo are higher than the Wiz finding a taker for Gilbert.

Finally, there is the playing time and draw power issue for Rubio? As long as Gilbert’s around he has to play second fiddle, as the franchise face and play time. He’d have the same issues with the Wiz that he has expressed with Memphis.

by bignerd on May 22, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Grizziles got ran?

Isn’t it most likely that Memphis or OKC will draft Rubio and then hold him for ransom? A Spaniard in hand is better than a 2 (pick) in the bushes, or something like that.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on May 22, 2009 4:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you've got the Rubio touch today mayne

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree left

Memphis and OKC both know Sacramento could really use Rubio. They’re not just gonna swap picks. They’ll look to get something out of it for sure. That’s the crappy part about picking 4th. Petrie is going to be having his work cut out for him over the next month.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 22, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Petrie could always play their bluff by simply picking someone else

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it really comes down to the same old question

How committed is Petrie to Rubio? Everything has its’ price. But the underlying theme here is that deals will be done and Steely Dan Fegan will be the dealer.

It is the fine art of the deal – bid the price too high and bidders drop out. I will re-state that I would not want to play poker with Petrie.

Hey, anyone know what is going on with the understudy? Any word on Jason Levien?

by betweentheeyes on May 22, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A good old fashioned staring contest...who will blink first?

Memphis or OKC could take Rubio, but both create personnel problems for themselves by doing so. Sacramento may want him, but how much are they willing to pay? Petrie has a couple of pretty good cards to play – the threat of Rubio staying in Spain (or preferring to play here) and the ability to simply take someone else if the asking price is too high.

Personally, I have a hard time seeing either team take Rubio on blind faith with the hope that they can, A) convince him to come over if he has clearly expressed that he would rather play elsewhere, and/or B) trade him or another player on their respective rosters after the draft in order to accomodate Rubio. Not only would that team be putting themselves in a bad bargaining position, but that is a big leap of faith to take with the #2 or #3 pick in the draft…

I think that a deal will happen, but will the Kings be involved? Wait and see…

by Mcamp49 on May 22, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this point isn't considered enough

After the Fran Vazquez incident. I think teams would be reluctant to that gamble. Especially since Rubio has more than enough reason to want to stay there anyways.

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by CAB on May 23, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On top of that

At least when it comes to the Grizz, this is a franchise that few people around the league take seriously. Imagine if they took a guy wth the 2nd pick in the draft who is not coming over and will not play for them. How bad would that look?? Like ir or not, the franchise would be looked at as a joke….

by eduardo_m7 on May 23, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Petrie could call their bluff easily

simply by Fegan threatening that Rubio will stay in Spain, which would be a wasted pick for OKC or Memphis

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by vfettke on May 22, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the team would retain his rights

not fully wasted, but embarrassing and costly nonetheless

by betweentheeyes on May 22, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he'll stay in Europe

which is a waste of a perfectly good 2nd pick. It’ll just be viewed as another Memphis failure. This is why I don’t think we have a whole lot to worry about from OKC. Presti’s smart enough not to touch this. He’ll gladly trade down to get something he likes. He’s even the type to just swap #3 for #4 and the #25 for the #23 just to move up later in the draft. Dude’s been a mad genius with his draft picks (two first rounders for Kurt Thomas? and one’s unprotected next year and could be a lotto pick?) so I don’t really see him fucking around with Rubio

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by vfettke on May 22, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eric Hazeltine

The play by play man for the Griz was on the Peaches show this afternoon, and he says Thabeet looks like their pick. Heisley loves him, and with Milicic talking buyout (he wants to go back to Europe), the Grizzlies could wind up with M.Gasol and a bare cupboard. Lionel Hollins is high on Conley, too.

Next up, OKC.

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by section214 on May 22, 2009 8:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If Memphis takes up Thabeet

I can see OKC taking Rubio and making him work with Westbrook. I really can.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 22, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

easier to trade 3 and 4 and less expensive than 2 and 4

Further, I just don’t see Rubio going to OKC, even less so than Graceland.

June 25th seems so far away

by betweentheeyes on May 22, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But do the Clips really give up Griffin?

that’s just not wise

I said above, I don’t totally see OKC messing with the whole Rubio situation. Presti is very likely to trade down to get an extra pick or something, because he’s apparently stockpiling them in case of nuclear war.

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by vfettke on May 22, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems like a weird fit

Considering Durant is a bit of a 2/3 type player, and needs the ball in his hands a lot. Adding a distributor like Rubio seems kind of square peg/round holeish.

Or that could just be my wishful thinking.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 22, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

but Rubio has a better shot at being a star then Harden in my opinion and I’m sure in the opinions of the vast majority of scouts and personnel people. Sometimes its more about value then what makes sense from a team standpoint.

I also believe the consensus that OKC would much prefer Thabeet to anyone not named Blake Griffin.

by jstnblke41 on May 22, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All depends on the workouts Pookey

I really, really hope that Harden and/or Hill impress the hell out of the Thunder. Westbrook and Harden would make a great backcourt in my opinion. Then again, so could Rubio and Westbrook, although I don’t like Westbrook at the 2 as much as everyone else seems to. So we’ll see.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 23, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it depends on that

It also depends on how the teams play their cards. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why Geoff Petrie would want Rubio.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 23, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can any team afford to start poor shooters at the PG and SG?

I just can’t see a Rubio/Westbrook combo working out very well.

by cabz on May 24, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What you pray for

is for Jordan Hill or James Harden to bury the needle at their OKC workout.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on May 22, 2009 10:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Honestly, I think Harden’s the best fit for the Thunder. They’re going to be scary good in a few years anyway. Harden gives them another scoring punch next to Durant and Westbrook. The only real position they’ll need to fill is Center. 4 and 23 for 3 and 25 might be able to do it.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 23, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

The talk of moving Westbrook to the 2 is risky. He’s really not a pure shooter, and I think he lines up better defensively as a PG. We’ll soon see…though not soon enough.

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by section214 on May 23, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'll see soon enough...

…but not before another million comments of speculation are made.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 23, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we will know by next month?
…but not before another million comments of speculation are made.

by betweentheeyes on May 23, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

basically

regardless of Gilbert, the point of my post is that the team that is in direct competition with us for Rubio in terms of desiring him, which is the Wiz, is in prime position to jump ahead of us and get him. OKC would be happy with Hill or Harden, and they both might be there at 5. So from their perspective, it makes sense to move down and try to solve two needs (w/ McGee or Haywood) and still get their choice of guy at the 5 spot. We really don’t have anything OKC wants, so if Memphis takes Thabeet, our luck will really come down to how bad the Wiz want Rubio.

I don’t know why they want him, they just do. Memphis is not going to trade out of the two spot because OKC would take Thabeet at th three spot. Rubio could be available if OKC stays put.

by VenomySnicket on May 22, 2009 10:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

News from Washington -

Debunking the McGee rumor.

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by section214 on May 24, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leave it to you to simply check a person who knows the team well

And then watch them debunk it. Damn Jews!

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 24, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KWOD went bankrupt

someone else took over and they’re only playing 90’s music now.

"Greed is the inventor of injustice as well as the current enforcer." - Julian Casablancas

by submison on May 23, 2009 6:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They didn't go bankrupt

they are owned by a large company that runs quite a few popular Sac stations. KWOD wasn’t getting the rating they desired so they changed formats. Now the station plays 90’s music (cheap royalties to pay) and has no DJs.

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by vfettke on May 25, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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