Over the past few weeks, a number of GMs seem to have been warming to Flynn and he looks like a potential lottery pick at the moment. A number of teams in the lottery including the Kings (No. 4), the Wizards (No. 5), the Timberwolves (No. 6), the Warriors (No. 7), the Knicks (No. 8), the Bucks (No. 10), the Pacers (No. 13) and the Suns (No. 14) all need point guards. And after speaking with at least one source from every team, I learned [Jonny] Flynn is in the mix for all of them.
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I'm not sure what 'in the mix for all of them' actually means.
However, I suspect it simply means that none of his contacts flat out said – ’we’re not even going to look at that guy’.
With the draft range of most of these guys,
coupled with the possibility of teams trading up/down, I imagine most of these draftees are going to get more looks from more teams than has been the norm in the past (Holy run-on sentence, Batman!).
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Agreed.
And for bad teams, there isn’t much else that needs to be done this time of year. This is really a non-story by Ford to fill some column space. I suspect he could have printed the exact same thing about any of the other top eight or so PG prospects.
The story on Jordan Hill is just as interesting IMO
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Perhaps the use of the term 'non-story' wasn't accurate then.
It’s still a paragraph that, when taken alone as it is here, could have had at least 6 other names inserted into it.
Flynn?
I think Maynor and Jennings are both better point guard prospects. Flynn had a great year at Syracuse, but his transistion into the NBA is going to be tough. He is still 2-3 years away from being a major contributor to any team. Flynn is Acie Law. Sure as hell not a top 5 caliber player.
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I'm curious about your comparison to Acie Law...
in what way do you see them being alike? I didn’t see that at all in Flynn’s game.
In terms of Maynor and Jennings, I’ll give you Jennings, but what exactly has Maynor done that makes him so impressive? Dominate a very poor college league? Provide 1 or 2 gutty performances during March? I would consider him at 23, but no way do I think he’s worth of jumping the 5 or more other PGs more likely to go in the lottery (Jennings, Rubio, Lawson, Holiday, Curry, Teague).
Acie Law
is similar to Johnny Flynn in that they both played and were stars on their respected powerhouse schools. Both were undersized, who used their quickness and athleticism to beat much stronger and taller guards. Both never had an amazing jumpshot, but used their speed to blow by defenders to finish strong at the rim. Both were considered leaders of their squads,and both took their programs deep into the tournament.
I actually see Flynn being more athletic than Law, but their games are very similar, quick undersized guards who rely on speed instead of skill. Flynn may turn out to be a magnificent pro, but I feel, in this league you HAVE to have the physical abilities to play. Flynn is extremely undersized to come in right away, at 20 years old, and compete with grown men. If he solely relies on his speed he will get abused.
I never said Maynor was worth Sacramento taking him at 4, but I did say that he would be a better point guard prospect. I think Flynn, Teague, Lawson, Maynor are all in the same league, late lottery to late first round picks.
I like Maynor because he played on a pretty lousy team in a lousy conference. Typically those that are able to put up big numbers on teams without talent, tend to blow up when they are put on teams that can compete. I am also a big fan of players sticking it out 4 years in college and developing to their fullest potential. Weak conference or not, Maynor is one of the few prospects that is the closet thing to being able to contribute right out of the draft. Not worth a lottery pick, but the guy is definently a dark horse in the draft.
Flynn is not ready to come into any team and be the starting point guard. That being said, I do not believe the Kings should take him this early in the draft. If they have to draft him, trade down.
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Acie Law is actually 6'3"
I thought his problem was that he was too slow rather than too small. I think Eric Maynor actually has more to worry about in terms of Acie Law comparisons than Flynn because he’s a guy known for taking big shots, leadership, big PG, etc,. but who may lack ideal quickness.
I like Jonny Flynn, but not at 6’2". Even if I disagree with your Law comparison I share some of your concerns about his size. I think he’s going to be mainly limited to being a perimeter player because he’s not very tall, isn’t an explosive leaper. And he’s going to have trouble on the perimeter for a while because he has an inconsistent jump shot.
Er, that should have read "not at #4" not at 6'2"
How my brain transposed those things is completely beyond me.
That sounds more accurate to me.
I remember Acie Law for his clutch shooting in college, not his playing going to or around the rim. He also struck as having more of an issue with athleticism than height.
Agree
Law is much more natural to play the 2 but isn’t tall or athletic enough. He lacks creativity for an NBA point too.
I think Maynor has more creativity and natural point guard mentality. Could be a Sam Cassel type.
I actually like Flynn a lot. I’d put him ahead of Jennings and Holiday right now. He’s strong, quick, a leader, has good vision, a nice shot, etc… The only knock is his height. Hard to judge his defense too playing in a zone scheme. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s this year’s Westbrook.
Saw some tape of Jennings in Europe. Very very athletic but he’s got a long way to go. Only goes to his left hand and doesn’t have a good shot. More of an athlete than a basketball player right now.
by abasketballfan on May 27, 2009 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Thought I'd stick this here as its Ford related.
Eddie (Fresno): Would Memphis deal with the Kings if Sacramento offered the #4, #23, and a player or cash for the #2?
SportsNation Chad Ford: Probably not enough there for Memphis to do the deal. They already have two first round picks. If Jason Thompson was in the deal? Maybe …
This seems ridiculous to me, I know Rubio is a great project, but he’s still a project. As per Section’s write up yesterday this seems like an amazing overpayment in a weak draft. Jennings has less court vision/ bball I.Q., way higher athleticism and the same inconsistent shot as Rubio, is Rubio really JT and the #23 better than Jennings.
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Agree Moproblemz, Chad Ford is smoking crack…
by Burrito3 on May 26, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's the thing
If they really want Rubio, JT probably is not enough. (Would we take an unproven but promising PF to give up Rubio?) If they aren’t sure Rubio is the guy they need, JT is too much. I think you offer the #4 and #23/K-9/Greene or whatever your value is, then wait for them to bite or not. If they don’t, you take the BPA and get on with life.
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by SavageBeast on May 26, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It's dumb to give up any player on the roster
Memphis will play this hard to get all the way. It’s the only move they have to make.
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The only part I disagree with you
Is that in that scenario we might want to take a promising PF to give up Rubio. We’re not just getting a promising PF, we’re also getting the #4 pick, which has loads of promise itself. But Memphis would be stupid to accept anything less. I certainly hope they do, though.
Chad Ford’s right, they’d be stupid to take #4 and #23 + cash/player for the #2 unless that player had significant potential. Savage Beast is right, too. Teams don’t just give up stuff for nothing. If you had the #2 pick, are you going to give it up for the #4 and #23 when you have two first round picks already? And don’t tell me Donte Greene’s outstanding play last season seals the deal. Donte Greene can turn out to be a good player or a complete bust at this point. Memphis would want someone who is at least proven to be a good role player, and JT is guaranteed not to be worse than that. Anything less is just too much of a risk for them.
If I was Memphis and offered that deal with Greene, I’d tell you where to stick it and draft Ricky Rubio.
Or Memphis could take Rubio
and then lose a number 2 overall pick as he decides he doesn’t want to shell out 6m euros to play for a team that wants O.J. Mayo to be there PG of the future and has burned multiple bridges with Spanish players.
It all depends on if he changes his stance on Memphis because if he doesn’t, they aren’t bargaining from a position of power. There is no way Chris Wallace drafts Rubio to see him never come across the pond, that would be the kiss of death to his career as a GM.
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have you been paying attention to recent similar deals? Did you read Section’s post that explained some of them? 4 + 23 + cash/expiring is pretty much right on line with other deals like this.
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the deals Section cited were not really similar
There is perceived to be a huge drop-off between Rubio and the next best player in this draft. While Roy for Foye right now looks like “superstar” for “role player”, it was not viewed that way then. All of the deals Section cites were exchanges of players viewed to be fairly equivalent at the time.
I think you get a more realistic picture by asking what you’d want for Rubio if you were Memphis (like cbsf does).
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Plus, I don’t think Chad Ford is saying the Kings SHOULD offer Jason Thompson. Just that Memphis wouldn’t accept anything less.
They may be posturing that way, but as pointed out by multiple people, they are not bargaining from a position of power.
If, come draft day, Rubio’s stance is still that he will not play for Memphis, and they believe that they can get the next guy on their draft board at #4, I have a hard time believing they would pass on the 31st pick (and obviously JT > 31st pick) unless someone else comes in with a big time offer.
Crazy talk.
It’s questionable to me whether or not #23 alone is too much, but #23, JT and cash – oh, and that’s a ‘maybe’? Get the Natt outta here with that Theus!
Memphis can talk the talk, why wouldn’t they, but no way they can draft Rubio if he and/or his agent continue to play hardball with them. That, and even if Rubio is considered the 2nd best prospect, no way is he miles ahead of the rest of the players fighting it out for #3 and #4.
Chad Ford hates JT
Of course he is going to undervalue him. He crushed the pick last year and as always was proven dead wrong.
He also admitted he was wrong
Horribly wrong in fact. I wouldn’t say he hates JT anymore. He did when we picked him though
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Don't be silly bignerd
Jordan Farmar won’t bring in the #2 pick. by himself They’ll have to offer a protected second round pick in 2094 too for Memphis to make that deal.
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by otis29 on May 26, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
LOL Otis
Nice analogy.
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Otis is good like that
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Griffin or stay with #4
The only player I would move JT, Spence or Martin for is Griffin. I don’t see that happening. I like the idea of Rubio, but none of the above mentioned are worth giving up for him. I believe Rubio will roll down to #4 – just a crazy wishful gut feeling, I can’t defend it. I say stay with #4 and take the best player available.
I like a couple of the PGs out there and feel they will have an impact with the existing roster – Patty Mills is a dark horse in this draft and will be available with a later pick. Maybe because I am Saint Mary’s alum, but I am telling you this cat can play ball. Holiday and Curry are there also.
I am not a Rubio or die guy, thus the “idea of Rubio” statement above. To be honest, all I watched the Olympics and youtube of him. I can’t tell if he is hype or real. GP will lead the way for me…
Big stretch,
it seems to me, between “potential lottery pick” and #4 in the draft.
Maybe I’m wrong. Is this a year in which there are a couple guys that are clearly at the top and then twenty more “potential lottery pick[s]”. Someone has to be picked #4.
I’m in the camp that says ‘sit tight at #4’ unless someone makes a great offer. I really think either Rubio is there, or the guy who proves to be this year’s best talent after all is there, or other options present themselves.
Lower their expectations and rise to met them
Interesting
He lists 8 lottery teams that need PGs and there are what 9-10 PG prospects? We also have Detroit, Philly, Atl and N.O. before us, post-lottery, that might want a PG. Don’t count on there being any PGs left when pick #23 comes around.
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Portland could want to move up
Remember all the assets they got. They could move up very easily.
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I dunno
There GM thought he was so smart stockpiling draft picks year after year. Plan looked great the last few years. Unfortunately no one told him those picks become worthless in a bad draft.
Are you calling Kevin Pritchard stupid?
The man has possibly the most talented team in the NBA at the youngest age as well, because of those picks. Joel Freeland is still overseas too. Jerryd Bayless, who would have started for us last year, is their 11th or 12th man.
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i like
Holiday!!! Long, athletic, Plays great D, i feel we have enough scoring (K$, Shock and Hawes, Cisco) If we can stop penetration then our D is already better than last year. Holiday is young, and will continue to develop, Holiday, k$, JT is a great athletic base to build upon…..maybe if we can trade Noc and K9 for Prince?
Prince is over the hill.
Plus as a general rule, I think the players should weigh more than the cheerleaders. So that means Prince is out unless we start hiring 6-year-olds to dance. And I don’t think I can go along with that idea.
Again, Holiday does not play 'great D'.
He has shown moderate potential on the defensive end, along with a somewhat questionable mental approach (ie: looks like he’s going through the motions and disinterested at times – not good traits for a top-flight defender). At best, he was a slightly above-average college defender. Even with the advantage of having played on a college team that emphasizes and teaches defense, producing the likes of Afflalo/Westbrook/Mbah a Moute/Aboya/Mata in recent seasons, he didn’t seem to make a lot of progress as the season went along (mentally or physically). On top of that, he was quoted recently as saying something along the lines of ‘’the NBA will be a lot of fun without so much emphasis on defense’. WRONG ANSWER JRUE.
If Petrie thinks he can develop, I’ll go along because I trust his ability to find talent, but there are a LOT of question marks there.
I'd take Prince in a second
but the Pistons aren’t taking Noc and K9 for him.
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