2009 StR Community Draft Board: Pick #11
by Tom Ziller on May 27, 2009 10:27 AM PDT
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PrintBlake Griffin, Ricky Rubio, Brandon Jennings, Tyreke Evans, Hasheem Thabeet, Stephen Curry, Ty Lawson, James Harden, Jrue Holiday and Demar DeRozan are off the board in the first 10 positions on our board.
Reminder: THIS IS NOT A MOCK DRAFT. This is draft board, a list with the order of prospects you'd like to see the Kings pick. In other words, if we were the Kings front office, when our pick came up, we'd take the top name left on our board. So pick your choice, not who you think Petrie or anyone else would choose in a slot.
Explain your choice in the comments, and lobby for who should be added to the next pick's choices. Poll will remain open until 8 AM PDT on Thursday.
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Hill's long and taller than Blair
They both seemingly love the game, and both are guys who are not perfect players. I think Blair is a guy like Big Baby Davis where he can fit in a role as long as you have those players around him.
I think Hill could potentially work in more lineup’s.
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I voted Hill
So I guess I’ll be the first to argue for Hill over Blair.
Blair has some good things going his way. He has some great low post moves and a lot of strength. The guy is 6’7 and 265 pounds, while Hill is 6’10 and 235. This guy will be a physical, in your face guy, and as TZ has mentioned before, you’ll have rebounding for days.
But I like Hill mainly because he has the potential to be so much more than what he is now. He’s big enough to be able to block shots effectively (had almost 2 a game in college), and a good enough shooter that he can hit a turn around jumper. He also works well in the low post. It all depends on how much he wants to succeed, but he could be a very good player in this league. He’s not a bad rebounder either.
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HIll does have some upside, but...
I think there is more of a chance he will be a poor man’s Noah (I guess that equates him to Varajao?). The fact that he’s the second best PF in the draft is much more telling of the draft, IMO, than of his talent and potential. I would rather roll the dice on just about any of the PG prospects.
Although I have not seen much of him, give me Teague here.
Hasn't Noah become
a poor man’s Verajao?
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And his offensive skills were better than Varejao's even when he was still in college.
I honestly don’t watch him much now, but I imagine Noah’s still at least a notch above him there as well.
Varejao makes $6.2 million next year, Noah $2.5 million
So technically, I guess Noah is a “poor man’s” Varejao. That will likely change come 2011 in financial terms. In terms of talent, it may have already happened.
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I think one of the interesting things that Petrie said in his interview with Jason Ross
That there was depth at the PG & PF positions. Now, forget the Rubio/Griffin nonsense. Common sense could possibly dictate that getting a player of high caliber at the PF position at the 23rd/31st picks is much more feasible and useful draft strategy for the team. There are more PG’s in the draft, but if the Kings are likely to value needing a PG, then I think taking that risk for one at the 4th pick (or making a trade or whatever) is the best way to go.
That could mean (and I’m throwing him out there like I did with Jason Smith 2 years ago) that taking Brown at the 23rd or 31st overall picks is far more useful to the team than it would be taking Jordan Hill at the 10 slot (if you were to trade down obviously). That’s why I think the Kings will likely settle upon a PG at 4, if they don’t trade up to get Rubio, or he doesn’t slip to them,
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That comma should at the end of them should be a period
Bad editing. Sorry.
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Pathetic.
Your credibility is completely shot.
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That's it for me too. Never visiting the Evil Cowtown again
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I had been voting Hill
but decided to go Flynn instead.
I think he could be a dynamic guard in this league. He plays with heart and is not afraid of the big shot… Defense would be the only question I have as I have not watched him play much. I like Hill for a lot of reasons that were already mentioned
Honestly though, I am enamored with Chase Budinger he also seems like a real Petrie player, moves without the ball, passes well, shoots well, and has the ability to get to the rim, high basketball IQ again the only quesiton mark is Defense but he does have good size and is intelligent I think, but I think Budinger should be added to the board.
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by lifestyleforthesellout on May 27, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions
I like Budinger too
Seems like he might be one of those undervalued guys with translatable skills. But he could be available at 23, at least if you believe some of these mock-ery drafts.
by ttylerbballcamper on May 27, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say that his only question mark is defense.
I’ve seen multiple sources question his intensity and passion for the game. That could be nothing, but given his athleticism he should have been a better defender at the college level. That could be the system (when has AZ ever been known for defense?), but I’m not sold on him. He had a lottery bound teammate in Hill, and some decent talent at PG, so IMO Arizona really should have done better in a weak Pac-10 if he is that solid of a player.
I wouldn't say he's a lottery pick
But I wouldn’t be disappointed at all if he turns out to be our #23 or 31. Agree that there are questions, but from the couple/few times I saw AZ play he looked like a guy that belonged at the next level even if he didn’t dominate the ball.
by ttylerbballcamper on May 27, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted for Flynn, he's a tough little guard who can do a lot of things we need
If I was voting for PF I would have picked Hill who could be a real steal at the 11th pick. I’m thinking that Blair’s range is 8-12. Based on what I’ve seen (youtube) and read about Hill, he has shown a lot of growth this year, has a great work ethic, knows which part of his game he has to work on and has higher potential than Blair. I think Blair will be able to contribute more right away and would be a good 11th pick, but long term, and that’s the way the Kings should be looking I believe Hill has the potential to be very good. If Hill doesn’t reach a good part of his potential then Blair will have a better NBA career and will be a monster on the boards for years.
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May be too Early
But I still went with Blair. The guy is only 6’6 but has a 7’2 wing span! I really think Blair is going to develop into a productive post player in this league. I see him being very similar to a Paul Millsap. Kings need this guys toughness!
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Went with Blair
I’m just going to repost what I said in the last thread, because I posted it last night after most people had moved on:
He’s a good rebounder, but we already know that, and in the tourney game against UofL (again, this is a limited sample size, I admit), a game he should have been up for and ready to compete in, he was a nonfactor, getting outhustled and outplayed by Earl Clark and Terrence Williams, two guys who are ranked lower than him in the current draft class.
Again, none of this is to say he isn’t a good player, but I don’t think that he’s a top 10 (or 11) guy. In my opinion he just doesn’t have enough proven ability to produce with efficiency and persevere under adversity.
I digress, but humor me as I use Hill as a foil to make the case for DeJuan Blair. You pick Blair over Hill and, you get someone with more attitude, an intense character guy, also a rebounding machine with a developing offensive game, but with better numbers than Hill had at the same age, with experience playing in the most defensively challenging conference in the college game (especially for big men). He had to face up to Thabeet/Adrien twice, Earl Clark, Greg Monroe, and Harangody, saving his best stuff for Thabeet and ’Gody (23/22, 22/23 respectively) while Hill was facing Aboya, Brockman and Pendergraph in the Pac-10; not shabby, but not the same level of competition.
I think, overall, that Hill is one of those guys, similar to Earl Clark, who looks great on paper and in workouts but loses something in game situations. A guy like Blair won’t ever be a star, but you know what you’re getting with him, and the rest of the team around him will be better for it.
LOL I was going to say
“Why’s he bashing on the guy who he picked?”
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Blair seems like he is just one of those players that....
Can be great in college despite his height, where 6’8 guys routinely play center, but will struggle in the NBA where he won’t be able to dominate as easily with his strength. I’d be okay with him at 23, but anywhere in the lottery is too high for me.
I voted Hill here
but, in, terms of PF’s, it’s hard to shake the fact that Blair obliterated Thabeet…twice.
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I think that says more against Thabeet
than for Blair. Its why I am vehemtly against drafting Thabeet. Could you imagine what Dwight Howard or hell, Joel Przybilla would do to him inside?
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Point taken.
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Can someone explain to me
where all the Flynn love is suddenly coming from? Is it cause you want to reunite Doratio? I can’t justify taking Flynn ahead of Hill.
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It's because
They recently saw the Chad Ford feature on ESPN.com. It’s the flavor of the week.
by Nick the Quick on May 27, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Terence Williams and Earl Clark
I don’t know if Ptino guys are like Kryzewski guys: so well coached you expect more out of them than you get because the coaching covers some athletic deficits that are needed in the NBA game.
It doesn’t mean these guys aren’t athletic – Grant Hill, Carlos Boozer, Luol Deng, Shane Battier and Elton Brand are examples of successful athletes – but Laettner, Hurley, Gminski, Parks, Johnny Davis, Abdelnaby, and more presently, Mike Dunleavy, Dahntay Jones, Shel Williams, and JJ Redick.are examples of successful college players who couldn’t perform on the same level in the pros.
Are Pitino guys like that? If the athtletecism of Terence Williams is considerable, and we know he has been well coached and is a senior, he holds added value as he can be expected to produce sooner than a 19 year old (he is 21). Earl Clark is a smiliar story but with out the seeming BB IQ.
Some notable past Pitino players include: Billy Donovan (Providence), Antoine Walker (Kentucky), Tony Delk (Kentucky), Jamal Mashburn (Kentucky), Ron Mercer (Kentucky)
Does the program the player is coming out of influence your opinion: alot, a little, not at all, or evaluated on an individual basis?
Well here's the thing to consider, especially with Pitino
He’s a system guy. Because of this, guys who are successful due to the system he runs, which is designed to create easy open shots for players and favors three point shooters, are likely to lose productivity in the NBA. In this respect, I would have to say that neither of these players value were really inflated all that much due to the system run.
Earl didn’t ever really play within the offense, except when he was trying to jack up threes, and Terrence is just a phenomenal athlete, a guy who can get his shot almost whenever he wants because he is able to elevate so much. Terrence’s offensive stats are almost certainly inflated because of the system, and Earl is just unbelievably inconsistent as a player, but his and Earl’s defensive and rebounding abilities are legitimate.
Good question
I think it’s one point of data you have to take into account. Dean Smith’s old UNC teams, for example, didn’t feature many 20+ ppg scorers. I think Jordan averaged 17 or 18 his junior year. That’s because UNC played a strict team offense, and had a multitude of good players. So it’d be foolish not to consider it.
In this case, one might question Williams’ rebounding, considering his bigs (Samuels and Clark) weren’t fantastic rebounders. (Samuels is a bit awful on the boards.)
While you try
to be really objective about each individual player, I don’t know if you can’t help being influenced by a program’s history. For example, if a school has a string of great guards, like Arizona, doesn’t that make you think about the next guy? And if a school (or coach) has a run of high picks that don’t produce, it’s got to project on the next kid somewhat.
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