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The Case for Terrence Williams

I am very excited that the Kings' management team is meeting with Terrence Williams at the combine in Chicago.

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When I think of Terrence Williams, the current NBA player I see is Andre Iguodala. Terrence is a beast and could fill the Kings' SF void Ziller wrote about a couple days ago.  He is possibly the best athlete in this entire draft and the antithesis of Kevin Martin.  Keep in mind that T-Will is 6'6'' and played the 2 for Louisville last year when reading the following stats I have listed.  He is an INSANE rebounder, averaging 8.9 rebounds a game, in the Big East last year.  That is 2 less rebounds per game than 7'3'' Hasheem Thabeet, in the same, ultra-competitive conference.  He is a very good passer, averaging 5.0 assists per game, or less than 2 under the average of PG Jonny Flynn.  He is a lock-down defender, which cannot truly be represented accurately by stats.  However, he average over 2 steals and just under 1 block per game.  I understand he is not an incredible shooter but that he is improving and shot 38.5% from 3 last year.  He is of the point-forward mold and is a complete basketball player - one of the most complete in the draft.  I'm thinking a better version of Doug Christie that:

a. does not inspire hatred among all of our opponents' fans due to his incessant and obnoxious hand gestures.

b. will put fans in the stands with his emphatic dunks (Gerald Wallace style)

c.  gives us some necessary badass swagger that's been missing since we traded Artest for the goofiest (yet, my favorite) player in the league.

d. he'd be the lock-down perimeter defender we obviously need. 

Terrence is a 4-year college player who had a very respected coach, both qualities Geoff Petrie seems to look for.  He could play immediately as a defensive stopper and his assist stats lead me to believe he could fit in the Princeton offense.  The only problem that I see is that while I personally think he's worthy of going as early as 4, I doubt he'll be selected over Harden (who I also love for very different reasons) and I see the Kings taking a PG at 4 to address their biggest need.  I am almost certain he will not be available when the 23rd pick rolls around as I hear the Golden State Don Nelsons, among other teams, love him.  The only knocks I hear on him is that he is slightly inconsistent and may be a bit of a head case.  How many head cases have seemed to do just fine is Sacramento? I mean the only way to get in trouble here apparently is to forget to feed your dog.

If the Kings could trade #23 and #31 in order to move up and get Terrence Williams, I think time will prove it is a good move.  If he is miraculously available at #23, I think it's a no-brainer in the 'best player available' ideology. 

That's all I have to say about that.  What are your thoughts StR?

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Definitely rec'd Keon

I appreciate the effort that it takes towards putting in something like that. I agree with you that Terrance Williams is intriguing, but at the same time, so much more so than Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings, Tyreke Evans, Jonny Flynn? I don’t think so.

I would be shocked if the Raptors wouldn’t consider Earl Clark, Terrance Williams or DeMar DeRozan if they’re all there at the 9 spot. I’ve been considered that DeRozan might be the best choice for the Raptors if he is there, but given that you’ve talked about Williams and made good points, I can see why Williams would be considered there as well.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 27, 2009 1:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's one thing he's better for than any of those guys

You draft Terrence, especially in the Western Conference, and now you have a guy to put on Kobe, Stephen Jackson/Monte Ellis, Melo (maybe not the best matchup..), Brandon Roy, etc.

He’s a lock down defender, and he is a classic glue guy who can do a lot of things well so that others can do what they do best.

by bartenpa on May 27, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's something Toronto desperately needs too

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 27, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He would be there at 4

I don’t think we would need to trade up if we wanted to take him at 4. If we wanted to package our other picks to move up to get him as part of 1-2 point package that could make sense.

I think that we need to look at other options besides hoping that Rubio falls to 4th (and assuming we don’t or cant trade up to get him.

by mr west on May 27, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That might be your most astute comment yet

Congratulations for entering the land of the thinking.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 27, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Land of the thinking

Never left it. But it seems that a lot of the board did. Glad to have you back, too!

by mr west on May 27, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops pookey

looks like you spoke to early. I knew we threw the key away.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 27, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eventually he'll come around

Or he’ll enter CC territory.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 28, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info Keon

Interesting stuff – I’ve heard his name popping up from time to time, but haven’t seen much of his play.

But did you have to diss Doug Christie? Come on man! :)

by otis29 on May 27, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

If the team trades down for multiple picks (Minnesota’s 6 and 18) or combines 23 and 31 to move into the teens, I’m all about T-Will.

Demerit for stealing a bit of the thunder from my upcoming small forward follow-up.

by Ziller on May 27, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the idea of 6 and 18

I think the players between 4 and 14 are all about the same. Therefore, unless there is someone you really like and think someone above you will take, then you move up. Here is a scenario that is plausible – draft goes the obvious griffin then rubio. Then, because he’s a better basketball player, the Sloppy Seconds take Harden #3. At this point, it is very likely Minnesota proposes #18 and #6 in order to move up to #4 and take Hasheem Thabeet. This allows the kings to most likely take their pick between Jennings, Evans and my favorite pg Holiday. Then I guess we just hope Williams falls to #16. This would give this team the potentially to be a very good defensive team in a year or two and allow the kings to pick up two potential starters in one draft.

It’s a lot of ifs… but it’s not unreasonable.

by KeonClark on May 27, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now that's a Fanpost (gazes west...)

Rec’d

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by section214 on May 27, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Terrence is someone to keep an eye on

I was one of the few to pick him at 10, and having watched every second he played this season (barring the end of the Michigan State debacle) I say with confidence that he has converted me from someone to cringed every time he rose up to take a three or a pull-up to someone who occasionally wished he would shoot more. He was in training with Gary Payton all summer, working on his shot and establishing more consistency. He has NBA range on the three, he gets incredibly high on his shot, it’s almost unblockable on the pull-up, and he has really emerged into a guy who is a consistently marquee player.

He’s a sleeper, because he improved so much so late, and he’s fragile, because he still has minutes and days where he seems to forget his fundamentals on the new shot, but he’s definitely a guy who will get you points rebounds and assists night in and night out in the NBA.

by bartenpa on May 27, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely not

in the conversation at #4. But a trade that gets a pick from 10-15? Yes.

Re: hand gestures that infuriate opponents’ fans. I couldn’t care less about the love of opponents’ fans. Please!…for someone opponents’ fans hate to see, and love to hate.

Re: head cases who did well in Sacramento. All that credit went away with the departure of one Rick Adelman.

All in all, great post. A wing player who exerts himself on defense is a win.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on May 27, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point

regarding Adelman. I love that guy.

by KeonClark on May 27, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have to point out the irony

that the only thing crazy about you is your name.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 27, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Thoughts on TW-

I watched a handful of Louisville games this this year and I came away pretty impressed with Mr. Williams..

My only concern is that I dont see much of an “Upside” on the guy. I think the word is often over-used when evaulating players (Hello Jay Bilas!!), but I feel that it can be used when describing TW’s game… He did alot of things “well” at Louisville, but I didnt see him do anything “Great.” It will be interesting to see how these things he does “well” will carry over against NBA competition…I dont feel he’ll be a lottery pick, but I wouldnt mind picking him up at 23.

Given the choice… Would you rather have TW or Budinger?? They’ll both be in that mid-late 1st round range.. They are both NBA gifted wing players with question marks about how well their respective games will carry over to the “Next level”

by Hoops916 on May 27, 2009 3:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Two sizeable question marks

in gym shorts. Given the choice, I would be a TW guy, without doubt.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on May 27, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great player but not for the Kings

If we were going to go out and look for a lockdown defender, I would go with Jrue Holiday. Both guys are great defenders, yet Jrue can shoot and run the point at 6’4". Jrue’s dad grew 3 inches from freshman to senior year at ASU and finished at 6’6". Adding to the case is that Jrue is 19 and Williams is 22 going on 23, giving time for Jrue to develop into what the Kings need. Nevertheless I love both players games and both will have good careers.

by SugaB on May 27, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Regarding the 4th pick

I guess what I wrote is a little misleading – It is not my preference to take Williams there. I want whoever Petrie thinks is the best point guard is there. I was just saying that for this draft I think williams has the talent and athleticism to go that high. After picks 1 and 2, it is kind of a sh*tshow as to who will actually have the best NBA career. I personally think Williams is in the running.

by KeonClark on May 27, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It was clear

those that misunderstood need to “use their brain.”

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 27, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give me jrue

We need PG more than we need SF!!! Noc and Cicso can give us good minutes at SF for right now. Holiday will come in, and take the starting job simply because of his D and athleticism.

by shadowchicken on May 27, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice analysis

I agree with you on mostly everything, glad I wasn’t the only one who saw a little Doug Christie in there. He is in that awkward position for the Kings though, in my mind he could go as high as 6 and shouldn’t get past 15. Like you suggested 23 and 31 might be enough to move up to the teens, the question is if he will last that long.

by jstnblke41 on May 27, 2009 6:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fun Fact

A friend of mine from Seattle let me know that Doug Christie and Terrence Williams went to the same high school.

by KeonClark on May 27, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Franklin High School at that is where they went

It’s in Mt Baker if you’re at all familiar with Seattle.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 27, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

McDonald's All-American...

….and Franklin product Peyton Siva is also bound for Louisville.

When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome again. True story.
-Barney Stinson

by Red Reign on May 29, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Post Keon

I love it when we add another constructive member.

I would love to pick up our point guard of the future and Williams in the draft, but the only way we’d be able to pick Williams up in my opinion is by packaging 23 and 31, which you mentioned.

There’s also the chance of dealing with Minnesota, but even that has flaws because I think WIlliams could be gone before 18 (Minnesota’s later pick).

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 27, 2009 11:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For accuracy's sake...

…T-Will very very rarely ever played the 2 while at UofL. Pitino employed 2 guard platoons with Sosa, McGee, Smith and Knowles.

Great write-up, though. T-Will has been one of my favorite Cards over the past 4 years and I would love to see him in a Kings uniform.

When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome again. True story.
-Barney Stinson

by Red Reign on May 29, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He CAN be those things; the question is WILL he?

Terrence Wiliams should be a lotto pick. The problem is that he is a complete wildcard and lacks the drive that someone like Christie had. He reminds me a bit of Al Thornton or Corey Maggette or even Tony Allen; guys who have all the skills and athleticism but just not the desire or character to put it together. I’m also wary of swingmen who are inexplicably horrible free throw shooters and Williams actually got worse – 61% as a frosh to 58% as a senior.

He’s worth a shot in the late first round but I feel like the best place for him is somewhere with a great coach/veteran presence who could get him to focus.

by SoulHonky on May 29, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the good and bad.

I haven’t seen T-Will play this year (or in the past) but there’s always something about guys who don’t show up every night – and I’ve noticed that everyone is talking this guy up to nearly the 6th pick. Nobosy else has him rated that high, and probably for reason. There’s nothing more infuriating for a fan than watching Tony Allen sleepwalk through garbage minutes, and then do the same a week later when it counts. Talent is great, but…

still Swish Fan #1.

by ChrisCEIT on Jun 2, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair
…I’ve noticed that everyone is talking this guy up to nearly the 6th pick.

He remains unselected through 14 picks in the StR Draft Board . . . so it’s obviously not everyone.

by smgmatt on Jun 2, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I’ve seen him in the mostly 14-24 range, and a lot of mocks have the Kings taking him at #23, which I would love

"I'm too weird ta live but much too rare ta die"

by aKingisBored on Jun 2, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

T-Will

Has competitive fire. A big part of the appeal of Blake Griffin. Cisco should not be a starter. If we go big point guard, we need someone to defend quick 1s since Kevin is adverse to doing anything defensively.

At least Al Davis isn't running my team's drafts.

by bringbackbuddytrees on May 30, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good post Keon, I have to admit I read it late

because I wasn’t interested in him until I read BMac;s blog on the King’s draft and since I still don’t know how to do the links thing you can read it here; http://highfivehoopschool.blogspot.com/

After reading your post and his, it looks like he could be an interesting pick somewhere after the 4th. I really just wanted to post to give you props for a well reasoned and presented fanpost.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jun 1, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To "hide the link" in regular words just highlight them before clicking the "chain-link" icon.

The “chain-link” icon is the 2nd one from the right between the tree and the quotes.

1. Highlight the text
2. click the “chain-link”
3. paste the link in the pop-up box
4. click submit
5. click preview, to make sure it worked and test the link
6. click post.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 1, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also BJ

There a formatting guide if you can’t remember. It’s under every comment box.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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