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Summer Scorecard

Now that we know where our #1 pick is (boo/hiss) I thought it would be interesting to lay out my hopes and expectations for the summer and see how many (if any) our beloved GM achieves.  I also think its much more fun to do this now, and then look back on it, rather than just second guess later. 

Star-divide

The Coach

We've seen a lot of names go by, some interviews have been conducted, here's my evaluation of the candidates:

  • 3pts  - Messina + veteran assistant, Eddie Jordan + an assistant that we think adds up to better defense
  • 2pts - Thibideau + veteran assistant
  • 1pt - Any of the guys above with questionable assistants or Jeff Van Gundy
  • -1 - Rambis, not sure why he deserves a chance
  • -2 - Porter, Westphal, Silas, etc, these guys seem like placeholders that don't add much to me
  • -3 - any candidate plausibly connected to the Maloofs
  • -5 - Whisenant
  • -10 - Avery Johnson, because everyone is allowed one bout of irrationality in their FanPost

I like the concept of bringing a great Euro coach over, if he had the right support in place.  Jordan or Thibideau I could also feel pretty good about, again if they put the right people around them.  My most important criteria for the coach is they have to have a legit plan that vibes with GP, be effective at developing players and teaching their plan and that they play a modern style of basketball.

Beyond those three candidates it seems like a wasteland of retreads and people I'm not convinced are right for us.

The #4 Pick

It still hurts a little to write that, but hey, it is what it is.

  • 5pts - GP calls the other GMs bluff and Rubio falls to us
  • 2pts - we figure out how to get Rubio for a reasonable price
  • 0pts - GP makes the #4 pick
  • -2pts - that pick is Thabeet (ok I lied, I get 2 irrational dislikes)

Cap Management

We've made some strides on our salary situation, but still have some major issues.  Here are the priorities as I see them:

  • 5pts - We find a way to get rid of Beno and get back a 1-2 year contract
  • 5pts - We dump Nocioni for expiring contracts
  • 4pts - We find a way to land a young core piece for a reasonable long-term deal at a position we need
  • 2pts - We dump Nocioni for a 2 year contract of a contributing player
  • 1pt - We spend no more than $3mil per year on a roll of the dice with a young talented guy
  • 0pts - We move K9
  • -3pts - We sign a veteran for more than one year for more than $2mil a year

As you can see, I think Beno will be almost impossible to move.  There was a rumor we could move Nocioni for expirings, if that possible we have to do it.  He's redundant with Cisco and neither are NBA starters.  Moving Nocioni out the door paves the way for landing that scoring, defending wing player to complement Kevin Martin that many on these boards say is easy to find.  If we find a way to add a core piece who's young, say Trevor Ariza or Marvin Williams, I'll be very happy.

Team Building

In my opinion, we have 4 players that matter: Martin, Hawes, JT & Garcia.  Maybe Donte plays his way onto the list; I'm not advocating getting rid of him.  The #4 pick obviously should be another piece.

  • +5 - With our other two picks, Petrie lands two guys we plausibly think would be in the top 8 of a good team eventually
  • +3 - We trade up and draft a guy that fits well
  • +1 - One of our two lower picks fits
  • -2 - Petrie rolls the dice on a shooting guard and skilled center that does what Spencer does but worse

We need more good basketball players, which seems obvious, but I don't think it is.  We're not the team that needs a super marksman 3 point specialist.  We don't need a big guy that is a specialist.  We need to roll the dice on guys who's game can grow.  I love that Petrie is holding the dice; I just want him focusing on the right kind of guy.

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So that would be my plan for the offseason.  I'm hoping Petrie finds a way to get about 10 points in this competely arbitrary and just for fun system.  Note that points for creativity and extra credit are available!  I look forward to a potential surprise or two this summer.  One way or another it should be fun.

Fire away.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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well done and rec’d.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 28, 2009 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Good encapsulation of what is going on this offseason.

I would argue that Thabeet should be positive points as he’s a defensive minded center that focuses on a skill set that none of our other core players currently has. As far as the cap space goes, it will be really hard to judge based on a points system alone as a lot of contract swaps can be extremely arbitrary. We also may impact our cap by trading up to #2 for Rubio i.e. swap K9 for Jaric, which would be a positive roster room that would impact our salary negatively.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on May 28, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions  

I've heard that Jaric idea before

but imagine having Beno and Jaric on the same roster! And for the next several years no less.

by CDinSD on May 28, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

The terror

Wouldn’t that be kind of like having John Salmons and Kenny Thomas on the same roster?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 29, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh God

A fate worse than death

by CDinSD on May 31, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like your point system

Have you been hanging around Tony Reali?

by bignerd on May 28, 2009 6:20 PM PDT reply actions  

sorry

I don’t know who that is.

I didn’t do the points as anything even remotely serious, only to give some perspective to my opinion of the relative importance of different possibilities.

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on May 28, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tony Reali is the douchebag host of Around the Horn

He’s also the statboy for Wilbon & Kornheiser on PTI.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 28, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

+3 points

…. for having a life and not knowing who Reali is.

by Mystic on May 29, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

+60000000

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 29, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great stuf forthree

It’ll be fun to go back after it’s all set and done and see how the Kings did.

by eduardo_m7 on May 28, 2009 6:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Great read

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on May 28, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Too late to rec

But it’s all very good stuff 4 3.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 28, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I like it

I have such high hopes for this summer for what the team can be going into the 09-10 season. The #4 pick still hurts but there is so much room for improvement that unless something really insane happens we should be in the positive side of your points. I like that it’s in four parts because not one part is going to turn it around as well.

All I know now though is that one more month of this until we know about the draft and who knows at this rate of the coach search is killing me. I had this to look forward to when the season was going on but now that it is here what now!

by Hilton on May 28, 2009 10:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice work, great FanPost

I will note that I personally like Rambis because he reportedly studied the Hades out of the Thibodeau’s defense over the summer, and implemented it for the Lakers. Lakers ended up No. 6 in team defense, after spending much of the year top 3. Not a small matter, considering he was dealt Pau Gasol in the middle and the Corpse Formerly Known as Derek Fisher at the point.

by Tom Ziller on May 29, 2009 6:02 AM PDT reply actions  

This is not a rhetorical question

How was Rambis’s tenure as head coach in LA perceived? He won a good percentage of his games (admittedly, with a totally stacked team); and it’s not exactly a vote of no confidence to be replaced in favor of Phil Jackson.

by furious.d on May 29, 2009 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks TZ

I wasn’t aware of that aspect of his background, and certainly gives me more of a reason to support him.

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on May 29, 2009 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would not cry one iota about Rambis

I’d be more concerned about Thibodeau though.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 29, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

No on Rambis

I don’t think he can coach a young, inexperienced team. This Kings team will require an exorbitant amount of patience and guidance. I think Rambis’s hard line approach would wear out fast. He’d be perfect for a team like the Atlanta Hawks. He’d give their underachieving talent a huge kick in the ass and make sure they come out and perform to their best each night. Also, teach them how to man up in big time games. Lessons this Kings team is probably 2 years away from needing to learn.

by bignerd on May 29, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Based on this past years perfomance

… the Kings could use a kick in the ass sooner rather than later.

by Mystic on May 29, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Add to "Team Building"

+2pts: A steady stream of stories about our young guys’ workout regimens that give us a good feeling about next year.

+1 extra point: Thompson trains with Thorpe and gets rave reviews.

-1pt: The only thing we hear about Donté is his next prank.

-3pts: Somebody gets hurt in summer league.

by twasserm on May 29, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I like it

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on May 29, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

+3

Peaches develops vocal nodes in summer league, wanders into the woods to die of a broken heart

by furious.d on May 29, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice post

I strongly agree with the first of your irrational dislikes (Avery) and

strongly disagree with the 2nd (Thabeet would be a dream pick if available in this draft at #4)

Can’t put more thought into this right now due to crazy work stuff in a different time-zone

good job

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 29, 2009 9:04 PM PDT reply actions  

different time zone?

wimp. I laugh at you and your puny 3 hour difference.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 29, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I swear he zig zags across the country

And when the workload gets really crazy, he ends up just not posting here. Either that, or he’s really depressed.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 29, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

both

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on Jun 1, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah

Sorry to hear that. Depression ain’t cool.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks

I know we disagree about Thabeet, that’s why I labeled my dislike irrational, lots of people I respect want the guy, so I certainly am acknowledging I could be wrong.

I’m sure if we do draft him, it will be a minute or two of annoyance for me, and then rooting my brains out for him. I mean, we rooted for Ron Artest, that pretty much says it all.

Professional Hyperbole Slayer

by ForThree on May 30, 2009 5:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

As much as I have joked about Thabeet, I will be on his bandwagon the moment (or maybe the moment after) we draft him.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on May 30, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's going to take me at least 2 days

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 30, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will go through the 5 stages of Petrie drafting

that wonderful post by Section214.

And then I will read it again.

Then I will wonder what number he will wear on the Kings and eagerly look forward to his first blocked shots and dunks.

Being a fan makes me such a team slut. (i.e. I can’t stand that guy – what! he is a King now? But… well.. the dude is freakin’ awesome!)

by betweentheeyes on May 30, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

"Being a fan makes me such a team slut"

Awesome. Rec’d for the sig-line worthiness.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on May 30, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

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