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Who Is Ettore Messina ?

I have been  reading for quite a while the name of Messina floating around here but other then the general knowledge that he is a very successful european coach who wants to come to the NBA , little else can be found .

So i decided to make this fanpost with as much information about him as i can find

PERSONAL INFO:

He is Italian (duh ) 50 years old , married with 2 chldren , has a personal site (in Italian ) , writes a blog (in english - some of the titles are in Russian but he writes in english) , has written 4 books about basketball and teaches in basketball seminars .

THE FACTS :

He has been coaching mens basketball since 1989 . Before that,  he was a youth coach for several italian teams . He has won:

  • 8 national championships ( 4 Italian -4 Russian including this year's )
  • 8 national cups ( its a competition where 16 teams compete in a single-elimination tournament ) ( 6 Italian - 2 Russian )
  • 5 European titles ( 4 Euroleague - the top competition in Europe - and one Uleb cup - the second in order European competition )
  • His wins - losses are 783-229 0.774( 1989-2009 including all the competitions  )

NBA PLAYERS HE HAS COACHED :

MY PERSONAL OPINION ( IF U GIVE A **** ) :

I can only say what i have come to understand watching him coach (i ' ve been to games where he was coaching only  2 times ) through TV .

His teams in Italy were not the powerhouses and all ve been struggling at the moment that he took them over. But when he left ( always on his own will ) they were ! And when he went to  CSKA Moskow ( one of the biggest club outside the NBA ) they havent won a Euroleague Title since 1971 , and in 4 years he led them to 4 final fours and he won the trophy twice .

He has the ability to create a  very balanced roster with the resources he has each time , to make players play for him and to take them to the next level , his teams always play according to plan , can develop young players (and actually likes doing so ) .

He is a great tactician . I was reading the blog post by Jonathan Givony on Draftexpress about the Final Four in Berlin where , among others , talks with Gregg Popovich

Jonathan Givony: When you’re watching games like these, are you still looking at them from the eyes of a coach? Seeing the stuff they run and trying to pick up a few things here and there?

Gregg Popovich: Oh sure. I’m much more anal in that sense. In this game for example I saw a great out of bounds play that I’m going to steal for sure. I like to see how different coaches manage the game. How they sub. What they’re doing offensively and defensively. There is always something you can learn. If you think there is nothing else to learn, than you better retire.

It was in the game between CSKA Moskow - Barcelona and the play was after a timeout which resulted to a dunk + 1 for CSKA .

Ok so it was just play ... maybe he was lucky ... so what about this

At the end of the 2006-07 season, Ferry suggested Brown expand his knowledge of European ball and its players by going overseas to spend a couple weeks with a particular coach/team.

"I told him I would think about it, but I really didn't want to get pressed in that direction. I felt I could grow enough by staying home and reading basketball books and watching film."

Then again, decided Brown, "How can I tell players, if they want to get better they've got to get into the gym and work on their weaknesses if I resist doing it?"

So, two Julys ago in Las Vegas, the Cavs recruited Etore Messina, a distinguished Italian coach to partake in all team functions. Late that summer, Brown flew to the mountain village of Brunico and fully interacted with Messina's Moscow club. The reciprocal process was repeated last summer.

"Doing this was one of the best ideas that wasn't mine," Brown chuckles in all seriousness.

I guess Brown learned a thing or two ...

HIS OWN WORDS:

In January  SacBee writer Scott Howard-Cooper wrote about him and these are some of Messina's own thoughts about whether he should come or not to the NBA.

"The system is different, the rules are different, the officiating is different, the relationship with the players is different," Messina said. "A lot of things are different. So you need time to adjust. On the other end, which organization would, let's say, bet on the ability of the coach to adjust to all this? I don't know. You need a special organization. You need a special situation for this to happen, and I don't know if this will happen soon.

"Honestly, the language, I don't think that would be a problem. Credibility, for sure. It's the same thing, from a certain point of view, when you talk about college coaches going to the NBA. You see how many excellent college coaches have a hard time in moving from college to the NBA. For us, it's the same thing. Our system, it's something in between the NBA and college, as for the role of the coach. We are in between the two situations, but more, I would say, closer to the college level than to the NBA"

CONCLUSION

Hiring Messina is a risk . But so is hiring an NBA assistant or a college coach . And Messina has something more then they have . He was won . A lot ! Not with kids , not with girls , not as an assistant but as a coach in professional men's basketball

He is worth talking the risk IMO

( this is my first post so be kind to me :P )

 

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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You suck

You are terrible. You should be banned off this site forever.

Question: Where did you get the ferry blockquote from? Do you have a link for that? I would like to read everything in that article

 Good fanpost. Definitely rec’d for the information.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 30, 2009 4:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well pooke

I knew he spent this summer with Messina so i just googled it and found it
If u are interested in some more links check this out , its a blog abouot european basketball and they have all the links there to articles related to Messina and the NBA

Said Van Gundy about the situation: "(Spanoulis) says, 'I was [Tracy] McGrady back home.' Great. McGrady is McGrady here," ..

by GreekKing on May 30, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Greek

Welcome btw.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 30, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greek

You’re not the only Greek “Kings” fan. There’s is at least one other on StR as is who regularly posts comments.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 30, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

But i read also EC inc.
Doesn’t that make me a true – one and only – fan ?

Said Van Gundy about the situation: "(Spanoulis) says, 'I was [Tracy] McGrady back home.' Great. McGrady is McGrady here," ..

by GreekKing on May 30, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reading EC Inc

just means you need to find something better to do with your personal time

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on May 30, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What vf said

That guy is an idiot I swear.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 30, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not an idiot, more of jerky prick

but he’s real good at it

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on May 30, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a serious note

Thanks for reading.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 30, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quality stuff pook

Its on my bookmarks. I almost wish you just fanposted here so more people would read.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 30, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got tired of editorials

I wanted to broaden my horizons. Sorry.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 30, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey I'm not complaining

Love your work and will follow it as long as you post.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 30, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 30, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You talking 'bout me Pook?

Yasou re GreekKing! Together we will bring Messina to Sacramento!

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 30, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great first post Greekking

Man, I wish we had more new contributors like you, ZK, and a couple others (not mr. west) that actually read around here and do their research before posting something. Very well done, sir!! You get my rec’d (that doesn’ count for shit ;), unless we get you up there)

As for Messina, I know not much about him, aside from all the talk around StR, but with each passing day (and after EJ being out of the picture) I see him as a candidate I can get behind. Has anyone heard anything coming from the Kings organization that would suggest they are even thinking about him??

by eduardo_m7 on May 30, 2009 5:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Solid.

I have a fantasy of a Thib-Messina coaching union. Ignoring the sadness that my fantasies deal with coaching selections, would that not be massively sexy?

Victory is tasty.

by iashwash on May 30, 2009 5:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh oh Oh

Do not say things like that. Or else I will come to the land of the armpit and make you regret it. Do NOT ever think such blasphemy you bastardized island voodoo doll.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 30, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

?

You know you like it, so why fight it, pookey? Just give in.

Victory is tasty.

by iashwash on May 31, 2009 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Must. Fight. The. Power.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 31, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Messina is the coaching equivalent of Rubio

There’s obvious risks with hiring him. Players might question his credibility since he’s a Euro coach with no NBA experience whatsoever. But, I think that having such a young group would be a benefit, especially since we have a pretty mature group of guys. Even Donte’s immaturity has never been anything about his attitude. Messina is just a great basketball mind and I would love to see him get a chance with the Kings. What this team needs most is a teacher, which is what Messina is

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on May 30, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking about the “players may question his credibility” theory. But if you think about the main players on team:

Kevin Martin: completely coachable
Beno: Slovenian
Nocioni: Argentinian
Garcia: Dominican
Donte: was born in Germany
Thompson: completely coachable

Add in Rubio, who is obviously European. Ignoring Hawes’ interesting flavor of patriotism, these guys are cultured and diverse. I’m confident they would all be pretty open minded about a European coach. If any team would respond well to Messina, it’s the Kings.

by cbsf on May 30, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s more important for them to have a coach who puts them in a position to succeed.

by cbsf on May 30, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I don't really see that as a huge problem either

I think the main thing is the youth. These guys are still somewhat used to college coaching, which involved a lot of teaching and players having to put their egos aside. I think our guys are mature enough to understand that they have a lot to learn and have no reason whatsoever to have an attitude. We have a lot of raw talent in need of some teaching and a good system. Messina could implement that

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on May 30, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our core is young and mostly non egotistical and I'm not sure how sceptical they would be about him

It sounds like he’s a great teacher, speaks English well and most importantly is a winner. What is he lacking in credibility? If there is a good place for him to land in the NBA, Sacramento is that place. The players and the fans want to win again and if Messina can help this team win he will be embraced like one of our own.

Now that EJ is off the table i really have no idea who Geoff Petrie is serious about. Wesphal may be our future coach and may be the ideal coach to take this team back towards respectability but to me he seems like another NBA retread and I’m not excited about his being selected as our head coach.

Vlade, Peja and Hedu (way to go brother) lead this team to it’s highest level of accomplishment, why not let another European get the chance to lead us back to relevance? We have nothing but coachable young players who want to get better, I can’t think of another team that would be more open to having an European coach. Petire has always marched to the tune of his own drummer, I hope he’s open enough to at least interview Messina and not worry what others in the NBA are going to think.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on May 30, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hope he's open to interviewing him too

In our glory years we were a very Euro-centric team in the players we had and the type of system we ran. It makes no sense not to at least give the guy a listen

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on May 30, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

credibility

a non-issue. Give it a day and a half. A couple solid American assistants who don’t undermine him and you have a formula for success.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Jun 1, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I think its awesome that the first people who have posted about Messina are both Greek.

My post can be found here for those that haven’t read it:
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2009/5/20/881147/you-want-sexy-ailene

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 30, 2009 8:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how familiar Messina is with NBA players and teams. I mean, most coaches have been in the league so long they know whether Player A always does Move B in situation C. Or coach D calls play E when F is happening.

I guess a group of seasoned assistant coaches would be good for that stuff.

by cbsf on May 30, 2009 10:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's as much of an advantage as it is a disadvantage

He could watch a lot of tape and learn a lot but most NBA coaches won’t watch a ton of tape on him and learn his tendencies.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on May 30, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say we start a petition for Petrie to interview him

might be nice to give it a shot

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on May 30, 2009 11:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

nice info G

I look forward to more of your reporting and posting. Rec’d

Just a few weeks ago we all spoke in regards to Geoff Petrie’s press release and how it eliminated many potential candidates. Since that time, Eddie Jordan has signed on with Philadelphia and Tom Thibodeau is in Las Vegas as we post.

Ettore Messina should be back on the list of potential candidates – If he is interested and if the price is right. I do not hate pointing out my concern about the Maloofs and the money situation (The Green Elephant in the Room). It appears that Euros, Dollars, Lira, Bearer Bonds, whatever – are a much bigger factor in the hiring process than any of us wish to believe.

Paul Westphal is a bargain at $1.5M/season. I doubt anyone else will be less expensive. If the game is solely bargain hunting, than I believe Westphal would have been announced already. Maybe they were waiting to see if Eddie Jordan would reconsider for the lower price. Who knows?

Right now the coaching search has centered around money which is very bad publicity. I hope we hear more from Kings management. Soon.

by betweentheeyes on May 30, 2009 11:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What are the odds

All of the Westphal talk is designed to have an inexpensive caretaker for the position, while Messina is groomed for a few years as an assistant? It’s not like Westphal is in such high demand that he would be upset with a guy like Messina waiting to take over is it?

by otis29 on May 31, 2009 7:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Messina is widely recognized

as one of the best coaches in the world. He’s not coming to the NBA to be an assistant coach.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on Jun 1, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I’m gathering as much the more I learn of him.

by otis29 on Jun 1, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if the 1.5 mil is the ball park that the "Malooves" are looking for

I’d bet that he’s out of our price range too. But, I have no idea what Euro coaches make. So, it’s just a hunch.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 1, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2005

when he signed with CSKA Moskow it was 1.2 mil € p.a
But in 2007 he signed a new contract .
Don’t know the figure for the new one but i am guessing 1.7-2 mil € p.a.

Said Van Gundy about the situation: "(Spanoulis) says, 'I was [Tracy] McGrady back home.' Great. McGrady is McGrady here," ..

by GreekKing on Jun 1, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

1.7 Euro = approx 2.4 million dollars

if my math doesn’t fail me.

He’s being paid more to be a coach of a contender. I can see him wanting to come to the US for the challenge, but other then that I don’t see why he’d come for less money.

"Greed is the inventor of injustice as well as the current enforcer." - Julian Casablancas

by submison on Jun 1, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could be just like the rest of us and rely on the converter

Know it all kid.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I usually use a converter

but I had to do some conversions in my german class today, and I when I posted that I thought “hey, this is my destiny to convert euros on StR.”

"Greed is the inventor of injustice as well as the current enforcer." - Julian Casablancas

by submison on Jun 1, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL Sub

Classy as always.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see Messina taking less than 2 mill a year in the US

unless he’s guaranteed a very long contract.

But money should not be a factor here. And if Westphal is hired, I will be convinced that money was a factor, and that will make me very, very sad for the future of our team in Sacramento.

If we have the chance to be the first to bring Messina to the US, we should jump on it. Why take another stopgap.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on Jun 1, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monetary trends

I think the dollar has been quietly getting stronger compared to its European counterparts. $US 2 mill might be a better deal for him.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 2, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You Mr Stockbroker

Is Warren Buffet going to start investing in the US Dollar again as opposed to the Chinese dollar a few years ago? Cmon, inquiring minds wanna get rich G!

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 2, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was a great Fanpost, and it really cleared things up for me

I kept getting Ettore Messina confused with Enrico Pallazo –

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on May 31, 2009 7:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL 214

Only you.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 31, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No this is not Pallazo

thats the Umpire

Said Van Gundy about the situation: "(Spanoulis) says, 'I was [Tracy] McGrady back home.' Great. McGrady is McGrady here," ..

by GreekKing on May 31, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Was just looking at a couple of other StR Threads

and was reminded that one of the phrases that GP used when laying out his criteria for head coach was “no more grand experiments”. I think you can make the argument that Muss and Reggie were the farthest thing from ’grand experiments" possible. Maybe “coaches with little risk” or “The fans loved Reggie when he was playing here” or “muss never really had a fair chance with the Warriors”.

We can’t compete with the big markets and really top notch organizations head to head. The only thing that is going to bring fans to ARCO (or where ever) are winning games which we won’t do a lot for several more years and until the wins come more regularly what do the Kings have to offer to basketball fans in northern California?

Until we start to win more games than we lose the only thing the Maloofs have to offer is…………..hope. Does Paul Westphal bring hope. Will Paul Westphal stir the imagination of King’s fans? We have a young core with more youth to come, will Paul Westphal want to make them want to practice and play harder? I don’t see it.

Muss and Reggie were low risk uninspired choices. The only way this all comes together is for the organization to finally take a chance on a coach who can mold this losing, underachieving (lets admit it, there were games last season when even the kids were dogging it) and mold it into a team that fully uses it’s vaunted potential playing hard, playing together, playing to win. Is Paul Westphal the coach to do that? I don’t think so.

I don’t think the organization has suffered from “it’s grand experiments”, I think it’s currently suffering from taking too few real informed chances. Look at what Messina has done? He has taken week squads and made them winners. He has taken good teams and made them great. He was won consistently at every level he’s coached at and is doing so still. He loves basketball, he’s adept at teaching young players how to play and in Europe he sometimes has to work with players who are much younger and skilled then the players coaches get in the NBA.

Every choice entails risk, there are no sure things. Paul Westphal to me represents a low risk option with little chance of turning this team into something special. Messina on the other hand represents some risk in his ability to adapt to the NBA but as a coach has a chance to mold this team into something far better than we have seen so far and while the chance for failure is there so is the potential reward of greatness.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on May 31, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I'm going to use your 2nd paragraph on EC Inc BJ

It’s a great line.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 31, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So basically

The Sacramento Kings next head coach needs to be Barack Obama. At least that’d sell tickets.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on May 31, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff

Thanks for sharing. Well done.

I like the idea of Messina. I don’t know enough about Messina to specifically root for him, but the idea of him is fascinating. I think he’s the coaching candidate I’d be the most excited for, at this point.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 1, 2009 10:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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