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On Paul Westphal's Phoenix Success

I hate to beat a drum over and over and over, but hearing from Amick that Paul Westphal has a handshake deal with the Maloofs to take over the team for $1.5 million next season really gets my goat cheese. (I was using that goat cheese, dammit.)

A reader passed on this Seattle Times sidebar from 1998, when the Sonics hired Westphal to succeed George Karl. It has a "the good and the bad" breakdown -- you can see it all for yourself. One of the "bad" notes stuck out.

Was groomed by Cotton Fitzsimmons for four years as an assistant coach, then saw Fitzsimmons contribute to his firing after Westphal ascended to the head-coaching job. Fitzsimmons was scathingly critical of Westphal during Sun radio broadcasts, and took back over as coach when Westphal was fired.

No one will argue that a talent drain contributed to the fall of the Phoenix Suns during the '90s. Charles Barkley got old fast, and Kevin Johnson had injury problems. But it's a bit surprising to hear someone as respected -- one of the NBA's winningest coaches -- was "scathingly critical" of his long-time student. I obviously didn't listen to Phoenix Suns radio broadcasts in the early '90s, but this is a bit unsettling. In addition to the other unsettling divorces Westphal has experienced in Seattle and Malibu.

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by Aykis16 on May 31, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions  

At this point I would take Rambis or Thibodeau, but as a Kings fan I am sure we

will end up with Westphal and Thabeet.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on May 31, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Chevrè

Pantysgawn is a Welsh goat’s milk cheese – if the Kings hire Paul Westphal will they have their panties gone?

by betweentheeyes on May 31, 2009 10:00 AM PDT reply actions  

One of us is misunderstanding...

Amick wasn’t really clear in his post as to whether the “handshake deal” was with us or Philly.

I read it to mean that Westphal had a handshake deal with Philly for $1.5 mil, but that they went with Jordan. Thus, it was Amick speculating that since Westphal agreed to such a low price, he would be more attractive to the Maloof’s. I don’t know though, Amick didn’t word it clearly enough.

by TheRaven on May 31, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions  

the handshake deal was with Philly

Read the Amick post again. If the handshake deal was with the Maloofs, then it would make no sense for Sam to ruminate as to whether Westphal at the sort of consideration Westphal is receiving by the Maloofs. Also, if the handshake deal was with the Maloofs, it would not make sense to say (a) there is a handshake deal; and (b) Westphal’s price tag for the Maloofs would be $1.5 mm. If there is a handshake deal, the price has been agreed to. No need for speculation as to what Westphal’s price would be.

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on May 31, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

From reading that post it sounds like Westphal had the handshake deal with Philly at a similar price tag to what the Maloofs want to pay a head coach.

by Deez on May 31, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Posted this in Ziller's fanshot also

but it’s important to note that the language of the paragraph in question was altered in the final version of the story:

Long before Jordan agreed with the Sixers on a three-year guaranteed deal worth $2 million, $3 million and $3.1 million, Westphal outlined his contract desires that fell more in line with the preferences of Kings co-owners Joe and Gavin Maloof.

Makes a little more sense this way. Still doesn’t clearly say to which team he was outlining the desires, but the whole “handshake deal” made it sound like there was already some agreement in place…

by LPKingsFan on May 31, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Westphal ...

… never met with Philadelphia.

by Tom Ziller on May 31, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Keep banging that drum

What really rings the alarm bell for me is Westphal’s experience at Pepperdine.

Let’s take a Euro or top assistant if we have to. From that standpoint, I guess Rambis looks OK.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 31, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions  

A good coach should be able to win in college.

I mean even Reggie Theus was successful with his program.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on May 31, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was something I hope comes out if the organization hires Westphal

Still, I would love to see Rambis & Westphal as a match. I think Rambis could deserve a shot, and if not with the Kings, then some other team. Westphal is merely a place holder right now.

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by pookeyguru on May 31, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paul is that you?

I mean, hey if QD and Ike can have aliases . . . ? Seriously though, very good points. I look at someone like Messina and see a higher potential upside than Westphal, but also a much lower downside. If we do hire Westphal, I won’t lose sleep with excitement, but I won’t go hang myself either. The only thing that really bothers me is the way this seems to be playing out. Who is setting up the interviews here and how are they picking them? There are many good coaches we haven’t talked with and yet I can’t see any common link among those we are interviewing.

We have a pair of assistant head coaches known for their defense, a winning head coach who is older and hasn’t coached succesfully in the NBA for years, and a younger NBA coach known for his offense that just got fired (and hired.) It’s like we put out an ad on Craigslist and these are the guys who responded.

"Shut up and Coach!"
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by SavageBeast on May 31, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or is it Kevin Salvadori?

Member of UNC’s 1993 Championship team (CWebb timeout), and short-time member of our own Sac Kings in 1996-1998?

Guy joined STR today to make that post, but I just don’t see PW using “KevinSalvadori” as a login. Wouldn’t he use “JustARealDude” or “KingsFan66”?

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on May 31, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I doubt the real PW...

…would have just taken a pass on trying to defend PW’s tenure at Pepperdine.

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on May 31, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

But might the real Kevin Salvadori be jockeying for an assistant coach gig

under the real PW?

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on May 31, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that a bad idea?

That’s the real question.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 31, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well said

It’s nice to see an actual researched and well thought out post on here for once. It’s amazing how important facts are rather than emotional and uninformed responses.

by togos28 on May 31, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

True that

We never get any of those around here…

by eduardo_m7 on May 31, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neva eva eva

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 31, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Mediocre college record, marked NBA success"

Let’s not be so quick to suck this new guy’s dick. Some critical thinking needs to be applied to his statements regarding Westphal.

First, his college record is far from “mediocre”. He inherited a 22-9 basketball team and, through some combination of inept coaching and recruiting, turned it into a 7-20 team. Indeed, virtually every single year he was at Pepperdine his team regressed, and after he left, the team improved. Let’s look at the numbers:

Pre-Westphal 2000: 25-9
Pre-Westphal 2001: 22-9
2002: 22-9
2003: 15-13
2004: 15-16
2005: 17-14
2006: 7-20
Post-Westphal 2007: 8-23
Post-Westphal 2008: 11-21

In 2006 – the one year Westphal coached in which he had complete control over his roster, was far his worst. Needless to say, that is not a good sign and can only with difficulty be defined as “mediocre”.

Then, moving to his reocrd in the NBA – “Marked NBA success” is how his tenure is described. There has been much debate here and elsewhere on how to define success for a head coach – and necessarily so. It is a tricky question, but besides the simpleton’s appeal to W-L, there is very little to suggest his tenure in the NBA was a success. Let’s look at the numbers:

1990-91 55 27 Lost Western Conference First Round Fitzsimmons (55-27)
1991-92 53 29 Lost Western Conference Semifinals Fitzsimmons (53-29)
1992-93 62 20 Lost Finals Westphal (62-20)
1993-94 56 26 Lost Western Conference Semifinals Westphal (56-26)
1994-95 59 23 Lost Western Conference Semifinals Westphal (59-23)
1995-96 41 41 Lost Western Conference First Round Westphal (14-19), Fitzsimmons (27-22)
1996-97 40 42 Lost Western Conference First Round Fitzsimmons (0-8), Ainge (40-34)

The 9 win jump after Westphal took over in 92 can be attributed to the arrival of Barkley. With a team like they had that year, Musselman could have taken them to the finals. Wringing more than 1 win in the finals would have taken some skill, but unfortunately that didn’t happen.

Finally, Kevin alleges that Fitzsimmons’ criticism of Westphal was inspired by jealousy. Jealousy of what? I don’t see any reason for it – and Kevin gives no source for his claim. Obviously more information on the content of Fitzsimmons criticism would be helpful in judging the claim.

I don’t hate Westphal, I just see no upside. God save us from “safe” choices.

by thelettere on Jun 1, 2009 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's safe to say

Ziller wants a coach that’ll have Ws in the box score, not in his name.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 31, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

That'll = that will as in future tense

and based on recent postings, I’m guessing Ziller doesn’t have a whole lot of confidence in Westphal to put up Ws with this Kings team.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Jun 1, 2009 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you for the kind words

And to respond to an earlier post in this thread, I actually prefer the way this iteration of the coaching search has been carried out compared to the last three years. It seems measured and careful- exactly as it should be. I felt the searches for Musselman and Theus felt forced, snagged, and compromised, but this time around it seems like Petrie has dictated much of the tempo and candidates brought in. When changing coaches for the fourth time in four years, that kind of command and control is highly necessary.

by KevinSalvadori on May 31, 2009 8:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I have to disagree with you there KS

It is the way this is being handled that has this fan base so rattled and disenchanted.

It seems measured and careful- exactly as it should be

No announcements until the season ends, having kept the very nice but poor performing Kenny Natt in place, a pure economic move.
A press release exhorting the search will consist of a someone with proven success in the NBA as a head coach.
Two candidates interviewed. Two.
One candidate goes to Philly with a reporter telling us that a distinct financial motive has been been exposed.
Two additional candidates have been added who do not particularly agree wit hthe criteria previously mentioned.

That is a lot of time and a lot of quiet which has prodcued a lot of controversy. I don’t get it. It does not seem like a mutlitude of interviews and canidates have been considered. Of the big names – Avery Johnson, Flip Saunders, Mike Fratello, Jeff Van Gundy and I will add Sam Mitchell, not one word. NO mention, no insights, no indication that a real Head Coach other than the expected Eddie Jordan and the out of the blue Paul Westphal have been considered.

As a fan and supporter of this team, I expect more.

by betweentheeyes on Jun 1, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Saunders is the Wizards new head coach

in case you didn’t know.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on Jun 1, 2009 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

And was hired before the Kings fired Natt

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 1, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Flip was hired while the Kings were still in coaching purgatory

April 14th

- day Lincoln was shot
- day before Taxes due
- Coach Natt fired
- Flip Saunders announced hire for Washington Wizards

by betweentheeyes on Jun 1, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

What the f*ck happened?!?!

I go on a week’s vacation and suddenly Jordan is in Philly and the Maloofs have whispers of a handshake deal with Westphal? Did we trade Kevin Martin and re-up K-9 while we were at it?

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on May 31, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Nope

K (mart & 9) are still safe. As of right now.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 31, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

You also missed

Petrie getting canned for Elgin Baylor. With 3 high picks the Maloofs decided to bring in someone known for evaluating draft talent.

by bignerd on May 31, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

In your Google search for this pic

did you type “most phallic submarine picture ever”?

"It would be my honor to be your new stepfather."

by PhutureKings on Jun 1, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Jun 1, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

most phallic submarine?

Is there also a most phallic greek column?

by bignerd on Jun 1, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well-reasoned, but...

…why would Westphal log in as “PWfan”, and again, why would he refuse to defend his Pepperdine tenure?

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Jun 1, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

My question for you
Some of you make out Westphal as if this guy is some kind of second class coach when compared to other hot names out there. Its as if he is some washed up old dude who can barely walk. This man can coach with the best of them and has the record to back it up.

If Paul Westphal is such a great coach, why hasn’t he been a head coach in the league for the last 9 years? With quality head coaches at such a premium, why hasn’t his success created a huge demand for his services?

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 1, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Under the same judgement

every other candidate we’re considering should be out too. I mean none of them have EVER been a head coach. And if they are so amazing, why haven’t they been?

You have to remember that there are only 30 of these positions in the world, and only a few open up at a time. Not saying that Westphal is the guy, but it’s not exactly like he’d been sitting on his hands the last nine years tweeting or blogging or whatever. The guy is obviously respected for his BB knowledge around the leauge.

Again, I’m not speaking for or against any of the guys we are considering, just saying that if you are only considering guys who have been a head coach in the last few years, your choices will be pretty limited. Especially if you want guys who have won in the last few years.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Jun 1, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's still a legitimate question

The guy was an NBA head coach a long time ago…and logically you would expect he’s had his hat in the ring for quite a few other jobs over those 20 years. While many other older coaches have recycled into head jobs, he hasn’t…why is that?

I think there is a big difference between Westphal’s situation and the Rambis/Thibodeau/Messina’s of the world.

I’m with you though, I think he should still be under consideration, but if I were Petrie, I’d like to know the answer to LPA’s question when making my decision.

by otis29 on Jun 1, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't asking the question

to say I don’t want him hired. I really want to know the answer to that question.

Where else has he interviewed? Why wasn’t he hired? Is he a poor communicator? Does he have more or less chance of being hired after he’s been interviewed? Do executives respect him? Do players? Is he difficult to work with? Does he make unreasonable “my-way-or-the-highway” demands?

I know that NBA coach is an elite level job. But it seems that once you’ve been there, particularly if you’ve had success there, you would be snapped up by another team unwilling to take a chance on an unproven coach. There have been a lot of opportunities in the past ten years. Why hasn’t he been picked up for one of them?

The draft lottery has reinforced my belief that there are not enough bad words in the English language.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 1, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

All good questions and I don't know the answers
But it seems that once you’ve been there, particularly if you’ve had success there, you would be snapped up by another team unwilling to take a chance on an unproven coach.

Avery Johnson, PJ Carleismo, Jeff Van Gundy, Doug Collins, Mike Fratello, the list could go on and on. It’s not like Art Shell who was basically out of the game for twenty years and came back with no clue how to run a team. Or Musclehead who can’t even get an assistant college gig.

This guy has been coaching college ball, assistant NBA head coach, and NBA executive. I don’t know why he hasn’t been hired, but I know several teams have been very high on him before going other directions. I’d still like to see many more interviews, but I think it’s unfair to suggest a previous head coach must have issues if he hasn’t been snapped right back up.

I would expect the reasons are exactly what we’ve been discussing. He has had sucess and he’s also had failures. He started coaching college ball because his son was on the team. Looking back, that may have been a huge mistake. Success in the NBA doesn’t guranatee success in the NCAA, or the other way around.

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Jun 1, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing
Success in the NBA doesn’t guranatee success in the NCAA, or the other way around.

I could really care less about his time at Pepperdine. Maybe Westphal doesn’t have enough “used car salesman” in him to be a successful college head coach.

by otis29 on Jun 1, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

a 551% winning percentage? I’m all for Westphal now. He’s got wins saved up his sleeves. We’ll go 82-0 next year!

But in all seriousness, a good read. I do like what he did with the Phoenix team, and if the Kings do pick him, which I still hope they don’t, merely because I don’t think he’s the long term solution, it will be comments like this and from KSalvadori that I will rely on for my optimism.

Father of the "Natt this!" movement.

by Aykis16 on Jun 1, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to take a joke too seriously

But that’s 55.1% in the playoffs, which puts him ahead of guys like Larry Brown, Mike D’Antoni, Rick Adelman, Jeff VanGundy, Jerry Sloan, Rick Carlisle, Don Nelson, George Karl, etc (admittedly with fewer total games than most of those guys). His regular-season winning percentage is 62.7%, which gives him the 12th best all-time winning percentage among coaches with more than 82 games of experience. Essentially the only guys with better records than him are Hall-of-Famers like Red Auerbach, Phil Jackson and Pat Riley, and coaches with as little experience as him who have inherited superstars (Stan Van Gundy, Mike Brown, Avery Johnson). So winning percentage is probably not the place to attack him.

I’m curious – Why don’t you think he’s a long term solution?

by furious.d on Jun 1, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the opinion

It seems as if many of us – whether for or against Westphal – have made snap judgements on this case. +1

by furious.d on Jun 1, 2009 7:29 AM PDT reply actions  

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