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The Case for Stephen Curry

(Note: This is my personal opinion and in no way represents the views of the Powers That Be at Sactown Royalty.  Make up your own minds on the polls.  But it's probably best just to agree with whatever I think.  And never forget: I am a complete idiot.  Thank you.  -Ex. G)

Chad Ford has him projected as being drafted anywhere between the 8th and the 12th.  DraftExpress currently projects him 9th.  But should Stephen Curry be going even higher?

Section recently showed us the evidence that Petrie is nothing if not unconventional.  I'd still be shocked if Petrie passed on Rubio or Griffin, but Petrie should take Curry if we end up at the 3rd or 4th pick.  That's right, not "Petrie might", I think "Petrie should".  In the poll I voted for Jennings 3rd, but the more I think about it, the more I like Curry.

Curry is known to have been one of the best, if not the best, scorers in the NCAA the past 2 seasons.  He learned the game from his father, former NBA player Dell Curry.  He clearly knows the game, and has a great overall awareness on the court.  As a shooter and a 2-guard, he was a lottery prospect.

Last season he took over as PG for Davidson, and handled the new responsibilities well, elevating his draft status.  His assists went from 2.9/game to 5.6/game.  With more time handling the ball, his turnovers naturally increased from 2.6 to 3.7, but his Assist-to-Turnover ratio improved.  To be fair, it's still not stellar at 1.5, but it was his first season handling point guard responsibilities.  He showed court vision and passing ability.  Those skills paired with his scoring make him a devastating guard. 

When we consider Curry's scoring, it's important to also remember that every defense was geared specifically around stopping him.  You think defenses geared around Blake Griffin?  Griffin's supporting cast was far better that Curry's teammates at Davidson.  Curry will face tougher defenders in the NBA (well, except for Jason Kidd), but he also will not be the main defensive focus.  NBA teams will not be geared specifically towards shutting him down. 

An anonymous GM, as quoted by Chad Ford, said,

"He's a great scorer and I think he can be a point guard in the NBA with time. His value all depends on who drafts him. He needs to be in the right system. If you have players who you can surround him with, he'll be really good. If he has to be the man, he'll struggle."

Do we need Curry to be the man?  If we're picking 3rd or 4th, are any of the available players truly capable of being "the man"?  It's possible, but unexpected.  DX compares him to Mike Bibby or Mo Williams.  I think I see scoring like Arenas, but with better passing.

There are concerns about his size.  He's a bit frail.  A bit undersized.  But so is Kevin Martin, and that's worked out pretty well for us. 

Stick with me for a moment as I discuss a hypothetical situation.    If we're focused on a Princeton offense next season, is there any guard in the draft better suited?  The Princton offense involves a lot of ball movement, so we'll need passing.  Check.  We'll need an active player who can shake his defender and get free.  Check.  The Princeton offense is very complicated, so we'll need a smart player.  Check.  Curry is certainly more of a scoring guard than a traditional point guard, but the Princeton offense doesn't necessarily require a traditional point guard.  Again, look at Arenas as the "point guard" in Washington.  We shouldn't draft a player based on what we think might be the offensive scheme, but it seems like icing on the cake.  And speaking of cake, I absolutely salivate when I think about a backcourt of Martin and Curry creating open shots in the Princeton offense.

If a player has one standout skill (shooting, rebounding, defense), they can generally make it in the league.  Now, with the 3rd or 4th overall pick you generally want to draft more than just "a guy who can stay in the league".  But Curry has the additional skills that make me believe he'll be a very solid contributor, and a guy who can help lead a team.  And his worst-case, bust-scenario result would be a guy who stays in the league as a shooting specialist.  It never hurts to have scorers on your team. 

Besides, I bet he looks absolutely dapper in purple.

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Perhaps the right pick

at #5. Hard to place him ahead of Griffin, Rubio, Evans and Thabeet. I propose that makes him not a King.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on May 7, 2009 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Curry reminds me of Bibby

And Jennings reminds me of J-Will.

So, shouldn’t we draft Jennings and then trade him for Curry in a couple of years?

Nice read.

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by section214 on May 7, 2009 4:56 PM PDT reply actions   4 recs

rec'd

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stealing my thunder big guy

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 4:56 PM PDT reply actions  

My first comment on the last thread was

‘I bet GP Loves Curry’
I thought some more -
‘I Like him, but GP Loves him, Hmmm’
‘GP is pretty smart, whats there really not to like about the guy?’
‘Great shooter, best scorer in college, good leader . . . . I like him a lot I guess’
‘Maybe its more than Like, maybe its Love(?)’
‘(sigh), maybe I should buy a ring?’
(oh wait, same evolution – but thats how I got married)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely

Your thread got me thinking about it, no doubt about that.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on May 7, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just had a few notes scribbled for mine

it takes me a while to come full circle (age and wisdom I hope)
good post, food for thought

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curry's still not #3 for me

now at #4 we’ll see

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO NO NO NO NO
An anonymous GM, as quoted by Chad Ford, said,
He’s a great scorer and I think he can be a point guard in the NBA with time.

So you want to take a project player with the 3rd or 4th pick?

Stop this, you’re scaring me.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 7, 2009 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Which of the players near the top of the vote in the previous thread was not a project?

Seriously – which of them does not have serious questions/issues to be addressed with their game?

Evans – can’t shoot, not sold on his ability to play the PG in the NBA.
Jennings – can’t shoot, not sure about his defense or ability to run a team at the NBA level.
Thabeet – he’s a project on the offensive side, and potentially too slow to do anything but stand around the hoop on defense.

There’s a reason that most people see a wide gap between Griffin/Rubio and the rest.

by cabz on May 7, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Using that logic

Every player is a project.

There’s a reason that most people see Curry going later in the lottery than #3 or #4. But I guess it’s a fair point…

I think HighTops was getting more at what I was thinking. You take a guy at #3 that you hope can transition to a PG in the pros, a la Quincy Douby? Just seems like a lot of additional risk for a player at that point in the draft.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 7, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

QD ver. 2.0

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on May 7, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Need to remember to scroll up before posting

Sorry, CAB, didn’t see your entry until i posted.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on May 7, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Douby

couldn’t (never did) play PG and Curry is a much better shooter.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Douby 2.0

Yet seems smaller physically. I like him, but only with a much later pick.

Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.

by CAB on May 7, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions  

YES YES YES

Right on! I said this in the vote yesterday… a line up of Mills (at 23), Curry, Martin, JT and Hawes running the Princeton would be as exciting as the “Greatest Show on Court” days. Let Spencer distribute the ball with Mills, Curry and Martin slashing to the rim from different angles and JT cleaning up. And Spencer keeps improving his 12-18 footer, it makes it even deadlier. Noc, Garcia add spark and toughness off the bench.

I’d take it, but not Curry over Blake or Rubio. Only if we end up 3rd or 4th pick.

by STH114 on May 7, 2009 5:50 PM PDT reply actions  

NO NO NO

You can’t be serious about starting Mills, Curry, and Martin together. That lineup would simply get manhandled, i don’t care how many points they could score. Having both an undersized two and an undersized three is a recipe for disaster. We still lose if we score 110 but the other team scores 130.

by Nick the Quick on May 7, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Couldn't have said it better myself

Also Mills seems like a reach at 23, I think he’d still be around at 31.

by Aykis16 on May 8, 2009 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is ridiculous

He is JJ Reddick part 2. If the Kings pick him I will be the first to register www.firejeffpetrie.com.

by Travis Mays Hayes on May 7, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions  

don't spell it that way

Geoff Petrie not Jeff Petrie.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 7, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stinky/NNA already took the correct spelling

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why mention Stinky/NNA so much?

By doing so you just give him extra incentive to continue on his current path.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow

early mornings hungover at work are apparently not the ideal time to make posts. can’t believe I made that mistake, too scared to scroll down and see if I get killed.

by Travis Mays Hayes on May 8, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I appreciate anyone willing to think out of the box

I just don’t see it with Curry. Here are why I rate Jennings, Holiday and Evans over (not to mention Rubio who I won’t go into again).

Jennings has great quicknes, athleticism and length for a guy 6’1. He can beat his man off the dribble in a dribble drive & kick scenario in the halfcourt, and may end up becoming a lethal player in the open court. He also has natural charisma and could be a leader. He’s too young to rule it out.

Evans has great size and ability to beat anybody to the cup already. He’s not going to lose that ability for awhile. Evans does better with responsibility than sharing it. If he has to shoulder the burden he’s a much more talented player. Calipari recognized it, I believe, and did so to make his team better.

Holiday has great physical tools like the other two, and unfortunately, was probably not in the right system or right players to get the most out of his physical attributes at UCLA. Holiday may not be a star, but he can certainly fit into a lot of systems.

Curry has some quality tools. Leadership is an important virtue, and I’m not discounting it. I have no issue with Curry if the Kings were looking for a player to come off the bench to add offense. In fact, I think he would be perfect. I don’t think you should draft a player in that capacity with a top 4 pick. It takes quite a lot to envision that Curry will be a star at the NBA level. He has a lot of skill which will make his lesser athleticism okay for whatever team takes him.

That all being said, I think I would rather have players in this order: Rubio, Evans, Jennings, Griffin, Holiday, and then Curry. Those are my top 6 in the draft. So while your order isn’t exactly out there, I don’t think you make a case for a player like Curry because you run the Princeton offense.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 5:54 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I only disagree with one thing Ex G
And never forget: I am a complete idiot. Thank you. -Ex. G

Umm, not quite.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well then

Guess I’m not trying hard enough

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on May 7, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Smart people can't be stupid

Just isn’t possible. Smart people do stupid things sometimes, but who wants to be a kiss ass?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hah!

Now Griffin is the 4th pick in the draft?!!!
(oh my goodness!)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know Pookie doesn't need any help

But let him have his pick. It’s not like it affects your life dude. Just like you want your shotblocking machine he doesn’t like Griffin. What’s wrong with that??

And then you wonder why some people don’t like you around here…

by eduardo_m7 on May 7, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay so you don't agree

I knew you wouldn’t. And, the point is? If Griffin is so wonderful, show me why. You have yet to do so. The ball is in your court lttg.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Find me someone else who thinks Griffin is the 4th pick

and I’ll bother to argue

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Keep dodging the question

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've answered it at length

(as you well know)
I’ll not bother to repeat it until the actual draft

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

No you haven't

Not once have you. You’ve never given a real in depth reason. You’ve given a bunch of hyperbole. I’ve written many different angles on the topic. You’ve written similar angles on Griffin (and Thabeet) and consistently, and over & over. Writing something many times over & over does not necessarily make it an in depth argument.

I’m done. Until I see you with an in depth argument of why Griffin is so valuable (and I haven’t really seen that from anybody), then well, I don’t really care.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes yes

all that interior scoring and rebounding would be useless to us.
His need to dominate his opponent, impose his will – greedy and selfish.

I don’t know what people are thinking!

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would you bitches shut the fuck up

It’s getting old already.

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by vfettke on May 7, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well said

I agree.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ass

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by vfettke on May 7, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

How much cellulite you want vf?

I’m selling some. (You forgot the hole part douche.)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have enough of my own

but if you and LTTG don’t start acting like normal humans I’m gonna find both of you and kick the shit out of your guys’ girlie parts!

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on May 7, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gonna have to remove my hairy nuts to do that

But, go for it if your’e so inclined. I got nothing better to do tomorrow.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

You make this too easy Pook

the only hairy nuts you’ll need to remove are the ones in your mouth

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by vfettke on May 7, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

But my mouth is so wide

It can fit so many more. And you want to take that from me?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zach Randolph is interior scoring and rebounding

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 7, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kfan for the love of god

Can we keep this about Stephen Curry. I’m sorry I even responded. Or even mentioned Griffin in the first place. I wouldn’t have now.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stephen Curry is not interior scoring and rebounding

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 7, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Dammit

I knew he had issues!

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

And for the record

I don’t think Griffin is necessarily worse than Evans or Jennings. I just would prefer taking a risk on them as opposed to Griffin. I think they are all at the same level of risk. I just feel that the 3 PG’s offer more upside than Griffin. I don’t really see where he becomes anything more than a scorer and a rebounder. That’s really it.

Yet, you continue with your artistry dodging and glib remarks about how I totally have something against Blake Griffin (even though you don’t directly say it—you do insinuate it).

Ball is still in your court.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's the presence of Hawes, JT and Greene that makes Pookey...

value the PG’s more? After all, all we have there is Beno. (and BJax/McCants if they come back)

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on May 7, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope Noce

I’ve said many times this isn’t about position of need. It’s simply the best player, and I don’t think Griffin is it. I think Rubio is. I wouldn’t be shocked if Griffin ended up that way, but for example, I would be shocked that Stephen Curry ended up the best player of the draft class. The kid can play, and I woudl be surprised if he didn’t end up with a lengthy career. He just isn’t very likely to be a multiple time all-star.

This isn’t about position of need, this isn’t about hype or ticket sales, and this isn’t about who accomplished more in Europe or the NCAA. Just about the best player. Always has been, and always will be.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually agree that Rubio is the best player right now (in this draft class)...

I also think he fulfills a big need (which is why I’m now in his camp).

Maybe Griffin will be a bigger star down the road by I think Rubio can become a solid All Star who can re-ignite the Kings immediately.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on May 8, 2009 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

In an ideal draft

We’d have less risky options with the third pick. I chose Evans for the third pick. Holiday and Jennings are blank canvasses whose potential is pure conjecture. Curry has at least proven himself to be a scorer. At some point we have to take production into account when predicting upside. Its the difference between choosing Curry who has a 70% to be at least a Bibbyesque type player vs. someone(Jennings or holiday) who has 30% of being a Payton. I think Petrie prefers the bird in the hand.

by mattym on May 7, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

too true
In an ideal draft We’d have less risky options with the third pick.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Solid analysis…

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 7, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have the courage to talk (or think) about

the Kings taking the 3rd or 4th pick.

Anyways, I hope Curry is closer to Bibby than to a JJ Redick kind of bust.

by ZenBaller on May 7, 2009 5:57 PM PDT reply actions  

He will be

he’s been groomed for the NBA for his entire life. He’s got the skills and as well as the maturity to handle the NBA. Plus, put him in Coachie’s hands and he’ll be great

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by vfettke on May 7, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

His father is Dell Curry

He won’t have a problem with figuring out the NBA.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

no way...

dont waste a pick on him… he shouldn’t go above #10

by The Most Interesting Man in the World on May 7, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Why?
he shouldn’t go above #10

Can you elaborate?

Obviously I knew that was going to be a controversial post and many would disagree, but let’s talk about why you agree or disagree.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on May 7, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really don't like shoot first pgs

and if he was played as a sg he would get killed on defense. I’m not saying I wouldn’t draft him, but with as a low a pick the Kings will have… they can just do better. Trade down and take him and get some other pieces.

nbadraft.net has him going at 13 which I tend to agree with. And as brought out, he’s still kind of a project.

by The Most Interesting Man in the World on May 7, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Important to remember

That a draft pick is not just a player, but it’s an asset (talking to you, Al Davis). Taking Curry at #3 or #4 is a mistake, IMO.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 7, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well said

And I agree.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

but by that logic Petrie should have taken the “best player available” and traded down for Thompson. He didn’t. His history of draft day pick dealing (or lack thereof) leads me to believe he wouldn’t go that route. If he wants Curry and gets dealt #3 in the lotto, he’ll pick Curry.

by LPKingsFan on May 7, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

How far down could he have traded?

Golden State was rumored to be interested in JT at 14.

This draft is way too hard to gauge after the first two picks. If you like someone you better grab him, because there is no guarantee that the player will be there 1, 2 or 10 picks later.

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by section214 on May 7, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this losing has made folks nutty 214

Seriously.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I'm actually agreeing with you

Petrie took Thompson because he wanted Thompson. He’ll take Curry if he wants Curry.

by LPKingsFan on May 8, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not true

Apparently, Thompson was soon due to go off the board.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 8, 2009 4:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pacifico or Dos Equis

Who ya got ed?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're a commie

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

And a bad Mexican to boot

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well okay then

But you’re still a commie, and that’s bad enough.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

You? No way ed!

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like that

Si Guey. That’s going to be my response from now on when yes is part of the answer. Fuck ‘em if they don’t get it.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

same here. I just made this user today just because I like the commercials.

by The Most Interesting Man in the World on May 7, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love them

gets me every time.

Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.

by CAB on May 7, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bohemia

Or Negro Modelo.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 7, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Negra Modelo is pretty good and you can get it over here occasionally

I like XX Dark too.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 7, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get yourself some Bohemia if you can

Actually, Mexico has some damn fine beers. Corona sucks though…I think Mexicans consider it the Meister Brau of beers in their country.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 7, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jinx

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've had it before

don’t really remember what it tasted like, but I remember it in a positive light, and yeah Corona is not good.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 7, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's the drinking limit in Korea?

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

or Drinking age i mean

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really sure

19 I think which is 18 western age.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 7, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't really care for Bohemia really

Or Sol. And especially Corona. (That stuff tastes like piss. No thanks.) But, everything else, Mucho Gracias senor!

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bohemia

Is a lighter beer. So not for everyone, especially those who like dark beer. Negro will do you right though.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 7, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Ales

And Bohemia doesn’t qualify. So yeah, that’s probably why. Modelo, Pacifico, Dos Equis, and Tecate are definitely my preferred choices in that realm.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

uhh..

You realize those are lagers right? Most mexican beers are vienna style lagers.

Lager/ale is determined by the yeast used for fermentation, not the end product. You can produce a beer very much like budweiser (although i dont know why you would want to) using ale yeast, makes it an ale not a lager due to yeast used.

by chri5 on May 7, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do like ale's

But yes you are correct I did list some lager’s as well.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

just my beer snobbery coming out. Ever since I started brewing I cannot help it.

by chri5 on May 7, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Negro Modelo is an Ale

Pacifico is a lager? I didn’t know that. And, cool beans on the brewing. I’ve heard of worse jobs.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beers

Pacifico – Good stuff
Dos Equis – Has it’s time and place, but not my favorite. Something weird about a German beer made in Mexico
Bohemia-decent
Negra Modelo – tasty
Corona – great marketing, can’t even buy it in most of Mexico though
Sol-my personal favorite for Mexican beers

But every now and then you just gotta go with the Tecate.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on May 7, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pacifico – American Adjunct Lager
Dos Equis Amber – Vienna Lager
Bohemia – German Pilsner
Negro Modelo (my fave mexi beer) – Munich Dunkel
Corona – American Adjunct Lager. I cannot condone a beer sold in clear glass.
Sol – American Adjunt Lager. I cannot condone a beer sold in clear glass.

Any good mexican beer is a german style. And if you ever get it with a lime in it, please kill yourself.

by chri5 on May 7, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

give me an ice cold San Miguel Beer anything.

Except it isn’t a Mexican beer. Dang it.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on May 8, 2009 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Worked in far too many Mexican restraunts

And while the Negra Modelo’s and Bohemia’s of the world get the “good” label of mexican beers (pacifico is up there too). Relative to all beers, I consider Mexican brews piss-water. To me, they lack the complexity you can find in some IPAs or Pale Ales. Guess I’m not a lager fan.

Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.

by CAB on May 7, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t get me wrong, I prefer a nice IPA as well, but there are good lagers out there. Who doesn’t like a good oktoberfest or dopplebock?

I find it also helps to know the history of a style to really appreciate why it was brewed the way it was, and why it has the characteristics it does. Gives a greater appreciation of what went into creating the style…

by chri5 on May 7, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

I’ve always loved the term “piss-water” for a beer you don’t like.

Yeah, I don’t generally buy too much Mexican beer, but it’s nice as a change of pace from time to time. Alaskan Amber Ale, Kona Longboard, Sam Adams are regular purchases…I used to drink Sierra Nevada exclusively and think I lost the taste for it. Can’t even smell that stuff any more.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 8, 2009 4:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Old Monte Python joke:

Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
‘Cause it’s fucking close to water!

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 8, 2009 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not so much

that I don’t like it. I just don’t rate it very high on the quality scale. I even like Coors light for certain applications, I wouldn’t call it good though. Good for certain times/places.

But yeah, switching up the beers is a must… I’m starting to get that way with Sierra. Fantastic beer, don’t want to lose that loving feeling.

Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.

by CAB on May 8, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think we can go wrong with any of these higher rated guards

But, if we don’t land Griffin or Rubio I think everyone needs to get used to the idea of Curry. He is a Petrie player. He’d be a great Princeton point guard, and I don’t think Geoff will be able to pass him up. But that’s not a bad thing. Worst case scenario he’s a good NBA player to bring some energy off the bench, best case he’s a damn star.

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by vfettke on May 7, 2009 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

He's my 4th pick

After Rubio, Griffin, and Evans. I know it’s not very popular but I really admire how he carried his team and made them somehow relevant. He did it by himself too. I know a lot of his qualities don’t seem like they’ll translate to the NBA but I think he’ll do just fine. My only concern is his size (as in weight) and worry about our bAckcourt on the defensive end.

I really hope we don’t get to the 4th pick, or even the 3rd for that matter.

by eduardo_m7 on May 7, 2009 6:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm working on that possibility ed

Look for it later tonight over at EC inc.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

And it's now up

For those interested.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a nice angle

and honestly had not thought about it. We talk a lot about trading down, but we could also trade up to the top 2 if we get the 3rd or 4th.

 My only concern is what other asset you give the other team to trade up. There has to be something else involved, right??

by eduardo_m7 on May 7, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

That’s why the lottery is so important. Anyone notice that the lottery is in only 12 days??

by eduardo_m7 on May 7, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

12 longass days

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 8, 2009 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

You mean you're an obsessed fan like we are?

Shocking Otis.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 8, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

It depends

It could be a swap of the pick and a future protected 1st. With heavy protection or something like that. All kinds of angles you can take there.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pitino in running for Kings job

Yahoo! Sports Adrian Wojnarowski article

by STH114 on May 7, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Is there a link?

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Must have been posted while I was eating dinner

thanks

Hmmm

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Petrie is in europe

no doubt taking a good look at Jennings amongst others.

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 9:47 PM PDT reply actions  

My bottom line for the 2009 draft

Whoever Geoff Petrie drafts……………….I like.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on May 7, 2009 10:05 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Good points Exhibit G

Curry is currently 5th on my Draft list behind Rubio, Griffin, and Jennings/Evans (like both of em, Jennings a little more). But needless to say, I would not be surprised in the slightest if GP took Curry with the 4th pick. 3rd maybe a little. 1st or 2nd and I’d have to punch a baby.

by Aykis16 on May 8, 2009 2:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I don’t like the idea of drafting Curry because I think he has the least upside of the other players being considered at the 3rd or 4th spot. He might have a better chance than Jennings or Evans at becoming a useful player, but if anybody outside of the top 2 in this draft becomes a superstar, it won’t be Curry. And when you’re the last place team in the league, you don’t have much to lose by swinging for the fences.

Even so….I could see Petrie taking Curry at 3 or 4. Petrie is probably more likely to take a lights-out shooter that isn’t a great athlete or defender than a great athlete that can’t hit a jumper to save his life (i.e. Evans).

by Charlieb on May 8, 2009 7:20 PM PDT reply actions  

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