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Ron Artest

I've been  following the Lakers-Rockets match very closely and I've grown really fond of Ron Artest. It seems like he's not the Ron that we knew and he has really matured in a span of one year. He was interviewed after getting ejected in the second game and I like how he answered questions and explained what happened. He seemed like (dare I say it?) a very sane and intelligent person. The worst part was that he didn't even deserved to be ejected, it's just that his reputation precedes him. I would love to have this version of Ron on our team any day. I have said this a dozen of times before but I wish we never let Adelman go. Any coach who can make Ron Artest respect and play hard for him is a very good coach IMO.

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It's good to see

and it’s Adelman plus the total package of a quality, mature team that is genuinely pursuing something. He’s thriving in that environment. More power to him, the coach, et al.

Lower their expectations and rise to met them

by left hand on May 7, 2009 1:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's only about the coach...

I think Ron is the kind of player who fights to death when he’s playing for something really important, and this year with the Rockets they’re playing for an high prize at the end of the road…Damn, even if it doesn’t seem to happen, they could also eliminate Those who shall not be named from the Playoffs.
On the other hand, Ron’s a player who loose very often concentration if his team is not going to play for a big prize…

Supporting Kings from Italy since....forever!

Go Kings!

by Panzerfaust on May 7, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he gets into other things, distractions

when there’s no real prize to play for.

(mind you, he could still blow up in this series, he’s capable)

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said & rec'd

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I don't mind that there is Ron Artest discussion as it is playoff time

And the Kings don’t have much discussion happening outside of the draft or the coaching search, I’m very glad that Ron Artest (see SB’s comment above) is no longer on the Kings. On the court, where it really really matters, he just wasn’t reliable enough to expect the franchise could build a championship level team around him. Houston has Yao Ming. Sacramento did not.

The bottom line here is that while Artest provides great topic for someone in their spare time, it doesn’t change the point that Artest’s viability as a franchise player/leader was never more erroneous than it was last night. He showed why he is, in essence, Ron Artest.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And

The revolving door on the coach’s office would have exacerbated his already volitile tendencies.

Sacramento started off as being an ideal situation for his redemption, with a players’ coach and a team on which he could make a difference.

Once Theus lost control of the team, Ron needing to go was inevitable.

Ok, people, let's generate all the good Karma we can until May 19. Then you can go back to your shallow and empty lifestyles.

by LeaguePassAddict on May 7, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would have?

I would say IT DEFINITELY DID exacerbate those very tendencies you speak of.

I’m done on this. Ron Artest on the Rockets is one topic. His time with the Kings is just, over. I’m glad it’s over. I know you are LPA, and I understand on dwelling about something, but I guess I just prefer to live in the present.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ron Artest

just said he saw a guy get stabbed with a table leg in a pickup game. Could have happend, but crazy time to decide to make it public.
  Also, does anyone else find it weird that last year we had a team of bibby, kevin martin, salmons, artest and Brad Miller and we couldn’t make it work? They are all performing reasonably well. Possibly Reggie Rules was much worse than we all realized.

by Travis Mays Hayes on May 7, 2009 5:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't you read Amick's blog?

he linked the original story – it happened

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/15/nyregion/player-dies-in-stabbing-at-basketball-game.html

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

by lietothegirls on May 7, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. Bibby couldn’t compliment Salmons and Martin on offense.
2. Brad and Kevin couldn’t muster the effort to keep an opponent from the rim (still can’t) while Bibby tried but he just isn’t athletic enough.
3. Salmons can’t compliment anyone,
4. Artest was left as the de facto leader.

All five could play. Bibby and Artest are still legitimate blue chippers. The pieces just didn’t fit. We kept Martin who scores really well but can’t do much else unless you want to count providing excuses.

by bignerd on May 7, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martin's excuses

I must have missed the Bee that day. Please enlighten me as to which excuses Martin has made.

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by section214 on May 7, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. He can play defense
2. He can lead the team
3. He can be the go to guy

If we just rid of Ron Artest whose dominate personality was sabotaging his attempts.

Well we did . . . he didn’t play defense, wasn’t much of a leader, certainly hasn’t earned his merit as a go to guy. Your right, he has yet to come out with an excuse for all this yet. I scratch excuses for broken promises. Unless you want to rage how heroic he was in this stellar season we just had.

If you ask the team to make you the centerpiece, winning less than 20 games isn’t what management had in mind. Wasn’t like Martin was Gilbert Arenas and missed the entire season.

by bignerd on May 7, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I think I missed the paper that day too. Got a link for that cause I wasn’t around when he said all of that.

Man, that Kevin Martin sure is a screw up guy, going to the paper lying and complaining

by eduardo_m7 on May 8, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huge difference between excuses and failure to deliver

His failure to deliver on his pledge to lead is no small thing, and it does speak to his ability. However, to say that he made excuses speaks to his character. And I believe Martin to be a solid character guy.

Plenty of folks around here and in the organization have made excuses on Martin’s behalf (his ankle, the changing roster), but he never has. Not once.

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by section214 on May 8, 2009 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I 2nd 214's motion

I, too, would like to know what excuses Martin has made.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 7, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys are hilarious

Makes for great reading. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

Not quite as funny as Otie saying the Kings are a more desirable franchise to coach for Byron Scott than the Kings, but in serious contention nonetheless.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 8, 2009 4:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Kings are a more desirable franchise than the Kings?

Smooth move, ExLax.

And my point on Scott was that, from his viewpoint, you could make a case for the Kings core talent being comparable to the Lakers, once you add in a (hopefully) Griffin or Rubio, and Kobe starts wearing down. Perhaps that is two years down the road, maybe three. But a 17 win team, in and of itself, is no reason to believe that Scott wouldn’t take the job – his Hornets squad pulled an 18 win season before getting Chris Paul, and I think you’ve seen some improvement there.

By the way, nice to see you show up so soon after Ron-Ron pulls a Ron-Ron, gets himself kicked out, and possibly costs his team a chance to go up 2-0. I figured you’d be preparing your summer hibernation.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 8, 2009 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good catch, Otie
And my point on Scott was that, from his viewpoint, you could make a case for the Kings core talent being comparable to the Lakers, once you add in a (hopefully) Griffin or Rubio, and Kobe starts wearing down.

Like I said, so ridiculous a notion it’s pretty funny.

That’s not to say he wouldn’t take the job, and in fact, I hope the Kings find a way to pull that off. Byron Scott as our next coach sounds so much better than a lot of the other options I’ve heard, particularly Eddie Jordan.

As for Artest, they were down double digits when he got tossed and the stars just weren’t aligned. The Lakers HAD to win that game, and they did what they had to. Desperate teams do desperate things.

The Rockets need to get back to their game, feature Yao more, don’t overdribble, force Kobe to shoot 30 times to score 30, etc. If they can do that, they’ll have a good shot to take the games in Houston.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 8, 2009 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were down 14 at the end of the first quarter

And the Rockets came back and took the lead before halftime. That game was still in question when Artest was ejected. He screwed up, period.

It’s shocking that you would defend that behavior. /sarcasm off

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 8, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, as neutral observers have pointed out

There were some extenuating circumstances, elbow to the throat, things like that. Basically the ref missed the call and compounded things by tossing Artest out, and the league in the end backed Artest up. These prickly facts are naturally easy for the haters to ignore.

The Lakers had a double-digit lead and the refs in their corner when Artest got tossed. Not insurmountable, of course, but definitely it would have been a tough game to pull out.

All in all, it was a pretty good trip to SmellA for Artest and the Rockets. I guess they will just have to be satisfied with claiming home court advantage for now.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 8, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

The league backed up Artest in that a flagrant foul occurred by Kobe. I don’t think they backed up his decision to run across the court and get in Kobe’s face over it. Or if they condoned it, I certainly missed it.

Based on your POV, I’m surprised Adelman didn’t just empty the bench when the deficit reached double figures there in the fourth.

Maybe you need a little more hater in you and a little less need to hang on Artest’s nuts.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 8, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude that's brutal

And I thought our back & forth’s were bad….

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 8, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ours were worse

I always worried you were going to track me down and kill me. ;)

With CCR, I just worry he’s going to track down my Grandma and scam her out of her retirement money.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 8, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

SNAP!

Loves it!

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on May 8, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was only a problem for about 4 months

After that, it sorta became moot. And, it’s only basketball man!!!!!

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 8, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably the best I figure to do

is to sell her two 12-packs: one for her and one for the dumbass grandson.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 9, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CC

This does not play to Martin’s talent, but his character. It has nothing to do (for me, anyway) with drinking the Kool-Aid. It has everything to do with refuting the assertion that Kevin Martin has made excuses about his play or the play of his team. Nice try, though. Perhaps you would enjoy a nice game of -

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by section214 on May 8, 2009 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

214 is on fire!

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 8, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys play that game every day here

Whether the topic is Kevin Martin, Geoff Petrie or the Kings future. Unfortunately, it is what it is: a dysfunctional organization with splintered leadership, on and off the court. Many here would like to ignore that and paint a rosy picture of how this organization got to the toilet. That’s the Kool-Aid I am talking about.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 8, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does this have to do with the (false) accusation that Kevin Martin had made excuses?

CC, most of the time you make salient points, but your jumping in here is tanatmount to Ralph Wiggum chiming in “My cat’s name is ‘Mittens.’”

Perhaps you were responding to something else, and if that is the case I apologize. I did not notice that you had not hit the “reply” button and thought that your comments were targeted at that conversation.

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by section214 on May 8, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh boy... Sleep! That's where I'm a Viking!

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 8, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excuses vs. promises = semantics

Maybe the writer was not clear on their use of those words, but I think the overall point they made was very clear, and you guiys just seized on the boo-boo to throw water on that point.

Original comment
Also, does anyone else find it weird that last year we had a team of bibby, kevin martin, salmons, artest and Brad Miller and we couldn’t make it work? They are all performing reasonably well. Possibly Reggie Rules was much worse than we all realized.
Response
1. Bibby couldn’t compliment Salmons and Martin on offense.
2. Brad and Kevin couldn’t muster the effort to keep an opponent from the rim (still can’t) while Bibby tried but he just isn’t athletic enough.
3. Salmons can’t compliment anyone,
4. Artest was left as the de facto leader.

All five could play. Bibby and Artest are still legitimate blue chippers. The pieces just didn’t fit. We kept Martin who scores really well but can’t do much else unless you want to count providing excuses.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 9, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"You guys"

I think this (and not using the reply button) is where I got confused, and I apologize for the over-reach on my “Twister” response.

That said, there is a huge difference between not delivering on a promise and making an excuse. Huge. It is not even in the same atmosphere. It is not a matter of semantics.

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by section214 on May 9, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Artest is a very simple case

He’s extremely motivated to prove his doubters wrong by winning. Unfortunately, he’s also immature enough that he becomes a huge distraction on a loser, instead of leading his team to wins by example. And, although a great player, he’s not quite talented enough to make a team good as its centerpiece.

Add Ron to a very good team, and there’s a good chance that his defense, toughness, and ability to create shots will make it a great team. Add Ron to a mediocre team, and there’s a good chance that he’ll send your franchise into disrepair.

by furious.d on May 8, 2009 6:51 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Bad Ron-Ron in the house tonight

Jacking up some ill advised shots…

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 8, 2009 8:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You just couldn't help it could you? LOL

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 8, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hater

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 9, 2009 4:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But I will be here tomorrow, next week, next month, next year to eat my crow if Ron-Ron somehow takes his team to the promised land.

Actually, I know I come off as a hater, but I am rooting for Ron to get his act together and have a successful career. He has a unique set of tools for an NBA player, but he’s a mental midget.

Case in point, there was a play in the second half last night. Brooks brings the ball upcourt above the three point side on the left. He dribbles and penetrates (TWSS I know) towards the middle of the lane, gets the second defender to come over, and turns to pass it to the open man. Turns out that man is Artest, and he’s standing closer to half court than to the three point line. So Artest dribbles the ball once or twice, but he’s so far out of the play that he has to give it back to Brooks to start the play again.

Now if Artest is standing at the three point line, he gets an open shot, or draws another defender and kicks out to the next open guy – basically creating the ball movement Adelman is hoping for.

That’s when I got the feeling that bad Ron-Ron was in the house. Taking threes early in the shot clock, not really having an impact on defense. He wanted to play superstar last night, and try to beat Kobe…not help the Rockets beat the Lakers.

I’m still happy he’s someone else’s problem now.

Question: What kind of bear is best?

by otis29 on May 9, 2009 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

Missed the game attending the first Friday wedding ever. They had a bar and a TV but were watching cars race until I asked them to switch it with five minutes left.

I do like how we’ve gone from sarcastic comments about the Rockets holding a parade because they got out of the first round to blaming guys when they lose games they are supposed to lose.

Looking at the box score, though, it doesn’t look like a good line for Ron. 23 shots is too many, eight threes is too many. My guess is he does better and the team does better when he keeps the shots around 15.

The Rockets obviously need to hold serve in game 4. Should be interesting.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 9, 2009 8:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

After another look

The Rockets need someone else to step up as a scorer besides Artest and Yao. Kind of similar to when he was with the Kings: you can blame Artest for jacking up too many shots, but who in fact is/was a better scoring option? He still needs to cut down on the shots and force someone else to step up.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on May 9, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just picked up a fleeting glance of it last night,

but did Artest pick up a flagrant 2 late in the game?

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by section214 on May 9, 2009 9:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Answering my own question

Ron got the gate with 43 seconds left for a flagrant 2 on Gasol. And again, I think that Artest got hosed by perception, reputation, and bad officiating.

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by section214 on May 9, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was a victim of circumstance again

The game had gotten chippy the fouls were getting harder and the refs were clamping down. Then at that point Ron makes a ‘hard’ foul that results in one of the other team’s starts landing hard on his back. If the Wafer – Vujacic foul hadn’t preceded it, I don’t think Ron gets tossed.

I don’t think it was even a flagrant 1, but taken context, I understand why the refs made that call. Don’t agree with it, but that’s the NBA we have today.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on May 9, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

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by section214 on May 9, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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