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More Rumors for Paul Westphal's Staff

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Sam Amick had previously named Mario Elie and Terry Porter as potential assistant coaches under Paul Westphal. Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! adds a few more: Brian James, who did a few stints with Doug Collins and worked under Porter in Milwaukee, and Bryan Gates, who won the D-League's first two Coach of the Year awards in 2007 and 2008.

Ridiculous Upside's Scott Schroder (who now works for the Dakota Wizards front office) has always had good things to say about Gates.

There is, of course, something else in the Wojnarowski column that has grabbed your attention ...

The process was marred with an immense amount of acrimony. Sources say the Kings were turned off by one rival representative’s relentless and nasty attacks on Westphal’s candidacy. As for Westphal, he was livid over what he considered unfair and unfounded attacks and nearly pulled out of the process over the weekend.

I like to think I keep up with Kings rumors and news pretty intently. I never saw any attacks on Westphal's candidacy outside of ... well, Sactown Royalty. (Guilty.) And Kevin Pelton, Steve Perrin and I certainly aren't agents of Rambis or something. If there were in fact "relentless and nasty attacks" against Westphal, they must have come behind the scenes. If so, that reflects rather poorly on whichever candidate was a party of it, even if it was (as these things tend to be) unrequested advocacy.

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But even your negative posts about Westphal were counteracted with at least one pro Westphal piece

And even though StR may have not been totally for hiring Westphal, at least Evil Cowtown Inc supported him!

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Jun 10, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to beat you to death for saying that

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fostering hate acrimony and disingenuity is my only role left here :)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A job worth doing is worth doing well :)

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Don’t get me wrong, he’s a tool and a douche bag, but I still like the guy

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Jun 10, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The sad part is I agree

Well about the tool & douchebag part anyway.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone would be hardpressed to take the position that STR was one of the sources of acrimony. As a new poster and Westphal fan what I read here was nothing more than concerned fans scrutinizing Westphals pluses and minuses. Thats what fans should do.

The only piece that I thought was a “hidden agenda” ( contrasted to a transparant agenda like my posts )driven was the post “My take on Paul Westphal” Even that piece was not acrimonious although I could never figure out why a Clipper fan ( now I am assuming he was a Clipper fan) was so concerned about the Kings. I suspect there was a major axe to grind by that poster. I let you all know where I was coming from upfront.

Being new here perhaps there is a reasonable explanation why a Clippers fan was so concerned about the doings of the Kings. Perhaps I am mistaken and the person called Clipper is a Kngs fan. Or maybe that person is a frequent STR contributor which then makes some sense to me. Otherwise I saw that as just a hit piece.

by PWfan on Jun 10, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a friend of the site

… and seemed to have particular knowledge of the Pepperdine situation as a Pepperdine alum. Also, he wrote a FanPost which I pushed to the front page, much as I excerpted your response for the front page.

by Ziller on Jun 10, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

That makes a bit more sense. I did not know he was a Pepperdine alum that explains a lot.
Also I was quite impressed that you gave equal time to both sides. I thought you were extremely fair.

by PWfan on Jun 10, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No hidden agenda...

I think he’s a bad coach. But he has a chance to prove me wrong now.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jun 10, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and supported him quite nicely at a mere 10,000 words plus

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jun 10, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can anyone

give me a little snapshot of Westphal’s style as a coach, what he’s known for, etc? Is he a disciple of the Princeton school? Is he defensively minded? Hard-nosed? Musselmanesque? Theussy?

by DustyG on Jun 10, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He's a push the pace offensive coach

He’s definitely not a disciple of the Princeton.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So does that mean

I should think Don Nelson? I remember only a little about Westphal. Ticket didn’t exist back then…

But is there anyone we can point to and say “that’s the offense”???

by tlfairgo on Jun 10, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all a matter of opinion at this point

So, I would guess, no there isn’t one guy who makes the offense completely go. The guy closest to that would be Martin though.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 10, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

ttfairgo, may have meant ‘one coach’ by saying ‘one guy’. So in terms of uptempo offenses, which coach or coaching style ios he most sililar to? Any idea?

by DustyG on Jun 11, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh

^which coach or coaching style is he most similar to?

by DustyG on Jun 11, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's

exactly what I meant.

by tlfairgo on Jun 11, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From what I remember of his Phoenix days

He’s kind of a blend of Adelman and D’antoni. A run and gun motion offense dude. Though did do a fair bit of post play with Barkeley.

by hozr on Jun 11, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did the same thing with Payton

But asked him to mix & match more often.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Jun 11, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

given your descriptive parameters
Musselmanesque? Theussy?

I would call him Westphalian, without hesitation

by betweentheeyes on Jun 10, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Snapshot

All theings being equal Westphal would install an uptempo style of BBall. However I suspect what he will do is analyze the strengths of his team and design a style that plays towards those strengths rather than try to impose a system that is not suited for the type of players he has.

by PWfan on Jun 10, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gates and others like him

Doesn’t hiring an excellent D-League coach make sense? We have a very young team and I believe most of the “teaching” done at the professional level is done by the assistant coaches. The D-League is all about teaching. While I also thought the rumors of grabbing Porter and Ellie would be great, the bottom-line is that these young guys, and the three new young guys coming in about two weeks need to be tought how to play Pro Basketball. It is less about matchups and in-game strategy, and more about fundamental team basketball, on both ends of the floor.

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 10, 2009 11:42 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Perfectly described

I have no problem with some really great assistants teaching the kids to play and Westphal implementing the in-game strategy and overall offensive/defensive system

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Jun 10, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Porter and Elie-

Don’t sell these guys short, they are PROFESSIONALS in every sense of the word. These guys were leaders on and off the court- specifically on the defensive end. I just don’t see how these two guys don’t help impart knowledge on defense and what it takes to be an NBA player. I don’t prescribe to Theus and his literal interpretation that coaches should be able to see a player eye to eye but I do think there is some validity to having proven NBA veterans on your staff.

"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.

by jjham15 on Jun 10, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree to an extent...

I am not suggesting that they might not be excellent teachers of the game as well, but not every former player or asst. coach has that particular strength. If they do, hire them. Sounds like Gates might be a good teacher of the game.

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 10, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no problem with Gates.

Also on the Porter/Elie front- both of these guys were coaches on the floor and were not the most gifted talents- they had to work hard for their money.

"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.

by jjham15 on Jun 10, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A post from an earlier thread:

“Westphal also did poorly in terms of managing the team’s stars. Again, not an easy task, but he tried to coddle Gary Payton (who did not respect him at all) and went tough on Vin Baker (who crumbled mentally)”

In my opinion he didn’t try to “coddle” Payton. He just recognized “Gary was going to be Gary” and just choose not to fight that battle. i don’t think anybody else got much out of trying to. Karl fought with him but what did he change? I can’t say.

In my opinion he wasn’t tough enough on Baker. Baker crumbled because of many things but least of because of Westphal.

Still most of the blame for the Sonics fall goes to it just being time after a great run and age and contracts catching up, some of Wally Walker’s bad moves in the rebuild and Baker (and the Gary Payton and lockout effects on Vin). I’d give Westphal 10-20% of the blame.

The Kings have no stars unless you count Martin and I don’t. His nurturing of young players (like Rashard Lewis) is more relevant in this situation than his treatment of stars.

No coach is making the Kings a playoff contender these next 2 years. Westphal’s handing of these 2 years is likely to be decent. Not great, not terrible. He’ll treatment players as young men with respect and do some mild pushing.

Then you’ll probably get your next coach. What will really matter is who you’re coach is in 2011-12 and beyond.

His staff is key. The next coach might be on it.

by StatRaven on Jun 10, 2009 11:44 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree

I have always looked at this as a 2 coach situation and what I hope we get from Westphal is a solid foundation for our soon to be young vets to build their careers on and with the ability to have a better basketball IQ and a better understanding of how to effectively use their skills.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jun 10, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

On the agent attacks on Westphal

I don’t know who was doing it but it doesn’t seem likely to me that Rambis’ representation would be saying we prefer to wait and at the same time engaging in a relentless attack and the Kings then offering the job to that guy thru that agent? I’d say that is more likely from an agent of another candidate trying to move up by tearing down.

I am not big on Westphal but I don’t think he is terrible either. I think the Phoenix firing was more about Fitzsimmons wanting one last shot and knifing his assistant to get it back and Colangelo’s impatience / drive to win it all than Westphal.

by StatRaven on Jun 10, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to believe Porter, Elie, Gates, etc. are coming on board as assistants...

…but who are we kidding? Those guys expect salaries.

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Jun 10, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One was a D-League coach

Would he really expect that much?

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by Scott Schroeder on Jun 10, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much do assistants make?

Does anyone know what the avg salary for an NBA assistant is?

by AyyJude on Jun 10, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

kool - $575K/year

where do I apply? I can teach the players how to read blogs and stay up too late.

by betweentheeyes on Jun 10, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not joking, Tim Floyd is available

he would be a wonderful assistant coach, (even more valuable than me)

by betweentheeyes on Jun 10, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find that hard to believe

with your love of all things Westphalian, your outstanding knowledge of the game and your willingness to work cheap, say a mere 200k per to start, who better could they get than bte.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jun 10, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes on salaries, but

personal relationships can draw a lot out of people. Ellie has a contract, so there may be a glitch there. Porter does not, so working at a lower salary with a close friend can be a driving factor.

by STH114 on Jun 10, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't remember what Porter was making with the suns but as long as they are paying off his contract

my guess is he’s making more then Westphal

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Jun 10, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's 2.5 mill. I read it today but now it escapes me.

"Or, as Randy Jackson would say: Not feelin’ it, dawg."
-bench-blob- posting virgin.

by jjham15 on Jun 11, 2009 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The image in this thread is ripe for a photoshop job

silver platter on his hand, championship trophy on top of the silver platter

m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!

by JediLeroy on Jun 10, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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